Planned Parenthood chief: Life begins when a child is delivered

posted at 4:02 pm on February 28, 2014 by Allahpundit

Via the Corner, be grateful that she’s willing to draw the line at delivery. Some PP officials think a baby’s fair game under certain circumstances even if it’s alive, breathing, and outside the womb.

An excellent point from John McCormack, who has lots of firsthand experience with trying to get abortion warriors to flesh out their positions on camera:

It takes Ramos three tries to get her to come clean. Before that, she actually tries to dodge by dismissing the question of when life begins as somehow peripheral to the conversation. Most of you know what the polling on this issue looks like but here’s your reminder that the head of America’s biggest abortion provider, which purports to represent the mainstream pro-choice movement in America, is apparently wildly out of sync with the public. Most people tolerate the practice during the first trimester and then get gradually queasier the longer the child’s developed.


The same Gallup poll found that 52 percent think abortion should be legal only in certain circumstances and another 18 percent thought it should be illegal only in certain circumstances. All of which explains, of course, why Richards is so reluctant to answer this question directly. She knows where the numbers are and she knows where she is on this issue. Honesty can only hurt the cause.

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TX-96 on March 1, 2014 at 6:14 AM

I agree with Planned Parenthood’s stance: “An abortion kills the life of a baby after it has begun.” At least that was their view in this 1964 advertisement —

Did they learn anything about science in the few years after that when they changed their minds? Of course not. Science couldn’t be more clear: A new human being is reproduced at conception.

What Richard and PP learned is how profitable abortions are. Rich, mostly white, mostly male abortionists tricked women into thinking they needed the right to kill their children to be “equal” with men.

eMatters on March 1, 2014 at 7:42 AM

You can make the argument that if it wasn’t for abortion, we would be overrun with crime and mayhem.

cimbri on February 28, 2014 at 5:05 PM

Right…and the possibility exists that you might commit some criminal act in the future. How do we address that, genius?

zoyclem on March 1, 2014 at 7:59 AM

Now then … do you believe that pro-lifers using the “convenient” internet to do a battle ‘OF WORDS’ over this issue, is illegitimate or NOT ?

listens2glenn on February 28, 2014 at 9:58 PM

So do you fantasize about having a war to enforce “pro-life” values. Cool. I only wish more people realized how common these “pro-life” war fantasies are.

thuja on February 28, 2014 at 10:30 PM

Aw yeah … I fantasize about killing more people, to stop the killing of ‘little’ people. That ought to work.
Oh wait … no it won’t, either. Damn … gotta come up with something else.

Maybe these “fantasies” are actually ‘nightmares’.

You didn’t answer the question, I see.

listens2glenn on February 28, 2014 at 9:58 PM

Sure, if you want to use the “convenient” to attack abortion, go right to it. I suppose all is fair in love and war. But by the same token, it is legitimate for me to point out how silly it is complain about abortion being convenient.

thuja on February 28, 2014 at 10:33 PM

There it is . . . just took you three more minutes to get around to it.

You didn’t “point out” how silly it is to complain about abortion being convenient … You simply ‘stated’ it.
Is it “silly” to complain about murder being “convenient”?

listens2glenn on March 1, 2014 at 8:01 AM

Maybe life begins when a baby is delivered and graduated college

Brock Robamney on March 1, 2014 at 8:18 AM

The definition of when life begins for these socialists seems to oddly resemble the Obama Maginot line in Syria and the Ukraine. Always changing, never clearly defined

Brock Robamney on March 1, 2014 at 8:20 AM

Planned Parenthood has to rely on an artificial definition of life in order to defend its position.

oldennis on March 1, 2014 at 9:21 AM

I’d like to join a different species please. This one has too many gorgeous murderers.

bour3 on March 1, 2014 at 9:33 AM

Riddle me This Bat Woman…………..

Why is it on those thankfully rare Occasions that a Pregnant Woman is murdered, the charge ends up being a Double Murder charge ?

And the Courts prosecute accordingly.

JayTee on March 1, 2014 at 9:36 AM

What happens at 2 months, 29 days, 23 hours, 59 minutes, 59 seconds, that makes it more acceptible to terminate a life than the second after? Back up time from conception & explain the science of abortion. You can leave out any discussion of faith & morals…just explain the science of killing a child at any point of life…what does a second mean in a developing life of a child? What are the fathers rights in such a decision? Killing is killing at any instant of life.

usmcRazor on March 1, 2014 at 9:38 AM

Planned Parenthood supports doing to babies what they would protest doing if someone tried to do it to a dog and her puppies ; all in the name of “choice”.

sirpatrick on March 1, 2014 at 10:38 AM

This witch probably thinks Gosnell is a hero and probably defends this place (and all the others) as well:

In a video released Wednesday by Life Dynamics, a Denton, Texas-based pro-life organization, three former employees of Karpen’s discuss the details of routine late-term abortions in Karpen’s clinic in which babies were allegedly born alive and then subsequently killed by the abortion doctor.

dogsoldier on March 1, 2014 at 11:30 AM

and she knows where she is on this issue.

Yes, she does. Back in 1940, a group of German Officers came to an awakening, they understood what Nazi Germany had become, and so they attempted to assassinate Adolph Hitler. These officers represented an incredibly small percent of German Military Officers who had that awakening, that realization of what they had become.

The vast majority, like Ramos, understood that they had become monsters, but that they also could not just stop, what they had done was such an atrocity, that they could not be forgiven. Planned Parenthood has murdered over 50 million Americans with the full support of the United States Government.

We owe Nazi Germany an apology, for what we have done, is even worse that what the Nazi’s did. There are few foolish enough to defend Nazi Germany, one day, there will be even fewer foolish enough to defend America’s murder of over 50 million of her most innocent and defenseless citizens.

This is what Ramos knows, she knows that she and her ilk are no different than Dr Josef Mengele. It’s why it is so hard to get a straight answer out of her, she knows that there is no going back from what they have done, that their is no saying, we’re sorry, we made a mistake. Planned Parenthood are butchers, monsters that make Dr Josef Mengele and his companions look like amateurs.

oscarwilde on March 1, 2014 at 3:53 PM

Why don’t liberals embrace the science on abortion, instead of emotions. Why do liberal hate science?

Kjeil on March 1, 2014 at 4:33 PM

Someday I hope to fully understand HA’s policy for moving threads to the left column. Even if that day never comes I will have a better understanding of that, then I will ever have of the pro abortion liars club.

Bmore on March 1, 2014 at 4:57 PM

If you aren’t alive in the womb, then you aren’t alive once you start collecting social security benefits. Let’s murder everyone over 65.

steveracer on March 1, 2014 at 6:07 PM

Really, so the presence of brainwaves, a heartbeat, an active metabolism, human DNA, human organs and limbs… none of that counts. The only thing that counts is what side of a birth canal you’re on?

Question: can we define away the lives of others based on whether or not they’re in our general vicinity? Because there’s a certain PP chief who I just might regard to be sub-human.

Stoic Patriot on February 28, 2014 at 4:52 PM

Not to nitpick, but you left out motor skills, functional senses including internal discomfort, wake/sleep cycles, and reflexes. In other words, every possible indicator of an active living being.

And there is no way to define a line of when those begin, which is the perverted way in which the pro-murder crowd begins their argument. Since you can’t clearly define a point in time “between conception and birth” where these indicators commence, then just pretend they don’t exist until birth.

Which makes them monsters indeed.

The only correct and valid conclusion is, if you believe that you cannot be certain when life begins, then you cannot be certain, at any time after conception, when it is murder to abort it.

Freelancer on March 1, 2014 at 8:22 PM

Like PETA, ACORN, SEIU, ACLU, SPLC and a few others, PP is just another State-sponsored and State-funded Leftist cult.

Soon to come: The Anti-Sex League, Artsem, State firemen burning down the houses of book-reading subversives and free Soma for everyone courtesy of Obamacare.

Dr. ZhivBlago on March 1, 2014 at 8:40 PM

She must have used the proven science of Astrology to make that determination.

Nutstuyu on March 3, 2014 at 9:02 AM

The “logic” of a liberal:

Life begins when it’s right out of the vagina
Homosexuality is normal

sentinelrules on February 28, 2014 at 4:10 PM

You forgot:

The human population, whose entire mass is 0.000000000000000014%
of the sun’s mass, is way more powerful than the sun when it comes to affecting the earth’s climate.

Nutstuyu on March 3, 2014 at 9:07 AM