Open thread: Obama to make statement on Ukraine at 4:45; Update: “There will be costs”

posted at 4:38 pm on February 28, 2014 by Allahpundit

Turn on your TV. We’re about to find out what an “intervention line” is and how you cross it.

Does this qualify?

Russian aircraft carrying nearly 2,000 suspected troops have landed at a military air base near the regional capital of the restive Crimean peninsula, a top Ukrainian official said Friday, accusing Moscow of an “armed invasion”.

“Thirteen Russian aircraft landed at the airport of Gvardeyskoye (near Simferopol) with 150 people in each one,” Sergiy Kunitsyn, the Ukrainian president’s special representive in Crimea, told the local ATR television channel, adding the air space had been closed.

Ukraine’s ambassador told the UN this afternoon that 11 Russian military helicopters plus some unknown number of military transport planes landed in Ukraine today. Stand by for updates. While we wait, why not take a stroll down memory lane?

Update: Is this how Putin stays on the right side of the “intervention line”?

A creeping Kremlin takeover of Crimea by ostensibly local ethnic Russian forces is more likely than a military assault on all or parts of Ukraine, U.S. and European intelligence officials and analysts said…

“Moscow knows an army invasion would cause too many problems, so they’re operating just below the waterline to make it look like a bottom-up movement led by ethnic Russians,” Joerg Forbrig, a senior program officer at the Berlin bureau of the German Marshall Fund of the U.S., said in a phone interview. “They’re avoiding the impression of an open military intervention, but that’s what it is.”

“It would be a last resort if there are Russian casualties in Crimea,” Forbrig said. “There could also be provocations aimed at trigging a Russian intervention. Something might happen at an office, a government building, to the infrastructure or even an attack on a military memorial to create a pretext for the Kremlin to move in.”

In other words, to give the west a way to save face in acquiescing in a Russian takeover, Putin’s willing to halfheartedly stage this as some sort of domestic Crimean uprising rather than an invasion by Moscow. (The troops who took over the airports in Crimea are reportedly Russian mercenaries, not regular troops, presumably to sustain this pretense.) Then the EU and Obama can spin it as some sort of ethnic-Russian counterpart in the south to what’s been happening with the Euromaidan protesters in Kiev. Problem is, no one seriously believes it, especially with Ukrainian officials claiming that thousands of Russian troops are being flown in. O may want to play along with Putin’s charade but I don’t think he can get away with it.

Note the bit in the excerpt too about provocations. Joshua Foust made the same point:

Right. If/when some of Russia’s mercenaries are attacked by Tatars, then regular troops can enter to “protect” the ethnic Russian majority there.

Update: It’s not really an invasion until there’s a “We are all __________ians” statement from McCain. Done and done.

Update: A new sternly worded statement:

Update: I guess we’re not playing along with Putin’s “domestic uprising” pageant:

Update: Obama’s late, as usual, so here’s another page from the scrapbook:

Update: He’s “deeply concerned” and sees unspecified “costs” to come for Russia if they violate Ukraine’s sovereignty but the situation is “fluid,” which is his way of giving Putin some room to de-escalate. The one thing that did catch my attention was when he congratulated Ukraine for showing “restraint.” That’s an allusion to Foust’s point about Russia watching and waiting for a pretext to order a wider invasion. If their comparatively small force in Crimea comes under attack, a bigger force is waiting.


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BREAKING NEWS: Kerry has asked for political asylum in Vietnam. /s

SC.Charlie on February 28, 2014 at 5:53 PM

I literally LOL’ed!!

Bitter Clinger on February 28, 2014 at 6:03 PM

So the Cold War’s back! And Obama’s got ours!

Perhaps Bishop can recommend some good underground bunker contractors.

de rigueur on February 28, 2014 at 6:04 PM

dentarthurdent on February 28, 2014 at 6:01 PM

Go with it.

he’s on a roll.

cozmo on February 28, 2014 at 6:04 PM

Obama Administration calls invasion an “Uncontested Arrival”
I sh*t you not.

Key West Reader on February 28, 2014 at 6:02 PM

So was the German invasion of France…. pretty much…

dentarthurdent on February 28, 2014 at 6:04 PM

It wasn’t thuja:

Canadian man sentenced to 26 months in prison for killing police dog – @AP

davidk on February 28, 2014 at 6:04 PM

Where is Obama? Heading off to a fundraiser, that’s where!

What a disgusting, insufferable, effete tool. Impeach him.

Key West Reader on February 28, 2014 at 6:05 PM

All that adhering to the START Treaty has made the world a MUCH MORE STABLE PLACE now hasn’t it?

ajacksonian on February 28, 2014 at 6:05 PM

Go with it.
he’s on a roll.

cozmo on February 28, 2014 at 6:04 PM

LOL!
Sorry….

dentarthurdent on February 28, 2014 at 6:05 PM

It wasn’t thuja:

Canadian man sentenced to 26 months in prison for killing police dog – @AP
davidk on February 28, 2014 at 6:04 PM

Maybe THAT’s why we haven’t seen drywall in awhie.

dentarthurdent on February 28, 2014 at 6:08 PM

Obama Administration calls invasion an “Uncontested Arrival”
I sh*t you not.

Key West Reader on February 28, 2014 at 6:02 PM

Weird, I thought that’s what they called illegal U.S. border crossings.

de rigueur on February 28, 2014 at 6:08 PM

Weird, I thought that’s what they called illegal U.S. border crossings.

de rigueur on February 28, 2014 at 6:08 PM

I see what you did there… Well done!

Key West Reader on February 28, 2014 at 6:09 PM

Obama Administration calls invasion an “Uncontested Arrival”
I sh*t you not.

Key West Reader on February 28, 2014 at 6:02 PM

So was the German invasion of France…. pretty much…

dentarthurdent on February 28, 2014 at 6:04 PM

http://www.corbisimages.com/stock-photo/rights-managed/BE048068/frenchman-crying-during-nazi-occupation-of-france

davidk on February 28, 2014 at 6:09 PM

Weird, I thought that’s what they called illegal U.S. border crossings.

de rigueur on February 28, 2014 at 6:08 PM

No, those are uninvited guests.

dentarthurdent on February 28, 2014 at 6:10 PM

Obama Administration calls invasion an “Uncontested Arrival”
I sh*t you not.

Key West Reader on February 28, 2014 at 6:02 PM

Weird, I thought that’s what they called illegal U.S. border crossings.

de rigueur on February 28, 2014 at 6:08 PM

Heh.

davidk on February 28, 2014 at 6:10 PM

But will the media give credit to Palin for predicting this? Of course not.

John the Libertarian on February 28, 2014 at 6:10 PM

Slavs are the only men left on the planet with a set of stones. Even before the other males were caponized we Slavs still had bigger stones. Which is why, right or wrong, there’s no one who will stand up to Putin.

frank on February 28, 2014 at 6:11 PM

Undocumented dhimmicRATs.

davidk on February 28, 2014 at 6:11 PM

Obama Administration calls invasion an “Uncontested Arrival”

Key West Reader on February 28, 2014 at 6:02 PM

And Benghazi was an unauthorized weenie roast.

AZCoyote on February 28, 2014 at 6:12 PM

davidk on February 28, 2014 at 6:09 PM
………………..

Here is the caption. I find this interesting.

Original caption: 12/11/1941-Marseilles, France: Frenchman crying as the flags of fallen France were marched through the streets of Marseilles on their way to Africa.

Key West Reader on February 28, 2014 at 6:12 PM

This idiot just announced plans to gut the military to keep paying people to lay around on welfare, and he is surprised that Russia is laughing at him and us?

rmkdbq on February 28, 2014 at 6:12 PM

Middle East News ‏@MiddleEast_BRK 1h

#BreakingNews the Pentagon confirms massive sea and air push into Crimea. Other sources: 12 aircraft, up to 2000 airborne troops involved

davidk on February 28, 2014 at 6:13 PM

http://www.corbisimages.com/stock-photo/rights-managed/BE048068/frenchman-crying-during-nazi-occupation-of-france

davidk on February 28, 2014 at 6:09 PM

Yup – know that photo well – in lots of WW2 books that I have.

Videos look like the Ukrainians are putting up more of a fight – or perhaps just celebrating their olympic medals (same way our cities celebrate sports championships).

Why did the French line the Champs Elysees with trees?
Because the Germans prefer to march in the shade.

dentarthurdent on February 28, 2014 at 6:13 PM

frank on February 28, 2014 at 6:11 PM

Ever met a redneck with a gun?

Key West Reader on February 28, 2014 at 6:13 PM

But will the media give credit to Palin for predicting this? Of course not.

John the Libertarian on February 28, 2014 at 6:10 PM

Hell NO. The link needs to be plastered everywhere, all over the place…

OmahaConservative on February 28, 2014 at 6:14 PM

davidk on February 28, 2014 at 6:09 PM
………………..

Here is the caption. I find this interesting.

Original caption: 12/11/1941-Marseilles, France: Frenchman crying as the flags of fallen France were marched through the streets of Marseilles on their way to Africa.

Key West Reader on February 28, 2014 at 6:12 PM

“… on their way … .”

davidk on February 28, 2014 at 6:14 PM

My guess is that Central Europe – Poland, Hungry, Romania, etc. are far more upset by what is going on in Ukraine than the countries of Europe who were occupied by the Soviet Union after WWII. – SC.Charlie on February 28, 2014 at 5:57 PM

If that was meant as a joke – I don’t get it.
ALL of those countries were occupied by the Soviet Union after WW2. – dentarthurdent on February 28, 2014 at 6:01 PM

No, I just goofed and meant left out one word, not…………. not occupied by the Soviet Union after WWII.

SC.Charlie on February 28, 2014 at 6:14 PM

Obama is an effing idiot, liar and coward. The free world is screwed with him in the white house.

Sad times.

dogsoldier on February 28, 2014 at 6:15 PM

Obama Administration calls invasion an “Uncontested Arrival”

Key West Reader on February 28, 2014 at 6:02 PM

And Benghazi was an unauthorized weenie roast.

AZCoyote on February 28, 2014 at 6:12 PM

I respectfully must disagree. Benghazi was an AUTHORIZED event, likely authorized by President ValJar and her sidekick, POTUS MomJeans.

Key West Reader on February 28, 2014 at 6:16 PM

No, I just goofed and meant left out one word, not…………. not occupied by the Soviet Union after WWII.

SC.Charlie on February 28, 2014 at 6:14 PM

Ahhhh – that makes sense.
But – as Cozmo said – “you were on a roll”…..

dentarthurdent on February 28, 2014 at 6:16 PM

No, those are uninvited guests.

dentarthurdent on February 28, 2014 at 6:10 PM

Oh, they’re invited all right. Just not by us.

The Obama administration spends millions of our tax dollars advertising, in Mexico and in Spanish, the availability of U.S. food stamps to illegal aliens in the U.S. And it’s not because they don’t want the illegals coming here.

AZCoyote on February 28, 2014 at 6:16 PM

SC.Charlie on February 28, 2014 at 6:14 PM

Liked my explanation better. Made you more like one of us.

cozmo on February 28, 2014 at 6:19 PM

OMG! I fear that Obama will flex his faux muscles because
1) Obama looks pale and weak next to Putin and 2) it is an election year and he wants to appear strong and powerful!

He knows that we all saw that photo of him on a bicycle!

We also pretty much know the gay agenda is really about him.

Amjean on February 28, 2014 at 6:19 PM

AZCoyote on February 28, 2014 at 6:16 PM

Well that’s certainly true.
From the Dem perspective, they’re not uninvited, or unwelcome for that matter.

dentarthurdent on February 28, 2014 at 6:20 PM

Middle East News ‏@MiddleEast_BRK 1h

#BreakingNews Ukrainian defense ministry claims it still has loyal army units which are taking positions to defend Simferopol from invaders.

davidk on February 28, 2014 at 6:20 PM

Amjean on February 28, 2014 at 6:19 PM

Too beta for more than a drone strike, or two.

The big question is whether that strike will be on US soil.

cozmo on February 28, 2014 at 6:20 PM

SC.Charlie on February 28, 2014 at 6:14 PM
Liked my explanation better. Made you more like one of us.

cozmo on February 28, 2014 at 6:19 PM

Ramis lines are never out of style….

dentarthurdent on February 28, 2014 at 6:20 PM

Hell NO. The link needs to be plastered everywhere, all over the place…

OmahaConservative on February 28, 2014 at 6:14 PM

Now that my Romney recollection has been confirmed,(thanks) they’re both making the rounds, from here !!

pambi on February 28, 2014 at 6:20 PM

We also pretty much know the gay agenda is really about him.

Amjean on February 28, 2014 at 6:19 PM

Claim: Obama hid ‘gay life’ to become president
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2012/09/claim-obama-hid-gay-life-to-become-president/#ZxgRhzpEZz2Do2w5.99

OmahaConservative on February 28, 2014 at 6:21 PM

Nationa; healthcare:

Just Press Share ‏@pressshare 7m

Cuba to Raise Pay of Doctors Working in Brazil http://ift.tt/NDYeT3 (via http://wsj.com ) #BreakingNews

davidk on February 28, 2014 at 6:23 PM

There will be costs? Ohh man… Obama is going to tax Russia to pay for ObamaCare.

Dasher on February 28, 2014 at 6:24 PM

For the love of God the Russians are going to take back Crimea, which they think is theirs, we won’t or can’t do much to stop them, and frankly Ukraine would probably be better off to have the ethnic Russians out of their hair…and country.

Why play this idiotic game?

Best we can do is arm the ethnic Ukrainians with what we can, hopefully with Euroland stepping in to help as well, and give them some intelligence. How much we arm them is about the only leverage we have over the Russians to keep their land grab to a minimum, unless we threaten to give Poland something neat.

William Eaton on February 28, 2014 at 6:24 PM

Heres a comforting Linky,..from 08′!

Now one can see, why DEMOCRATS should not
ever be a Prezy!!
==================

Obama’s Pick Adds Foreign Expertise to Ticket

By ADAM NAGOURNEY and JEFF ZELENY
Published: August 23, 2008
***************************

WASHINGTON — Senator Barack Obama introduced Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr. as his running mate on Saturday at a boisterous rally in Springfield, Ill.,

a choice that strengthens the Democratic ticket’s credentials on foreign policy

and provides Mr. Obama a combative partner as he heads into the fight with Senator John McCain.

In Mr. Biden, Mr. Obama selected a six-term senator from Delaware best known for his expertise on foreign affairs

— Mr. Biden spent last weekend in Georgia as that nation engaged in a tense confrontation with Russia —

but also for his skills at political combat.

Mr. Obama passed over other candidates who might have brought him a state or reinforced the message of change that has been central to his candidacy.

At the rally outside the Old State Capitol where Mr. Obama announced his candidacy 19 months ago, he described Mr. Biden as a man ready to be president. And he offered a passionate and politically instructive introduction of Mr. Biden: the portrait of a running mate who filled in what many Democrats have described as the political shortcomings of Mr. Obama.

He presented Mr. Biden as the product of a Catholic, blue-collar home in Pennsylvania who had endured personal tragedy in the death of his wife and daughter and his own brush with death, a man who could relate to the culture of the Senate or of working-class voters.

“I can tell you that Joe Biden gets it,” said Mr. Obama, of Illinois.

“He’s that unique public servant who is at home in a bar in Cedar Rapids and the corridors of the Capitol; in the V.F.W. hall in Concord,

and at the center of an international crisis.

“That’s because he is still that scrappy kid from Scranton who beat the odds — the dedicated family man and committed Catholic who knows every conductor on that Amtrak train to Wilmington.”

The choice of Mr. Biden was perhaps the most critical decision Mr. Obama has made as the Democratic Party’s presumptive nominee.

It suggested a concern by Mr. Obama’s advisers that his recent overseas trip might not have done enough to address persistent voter concerns about his level of experience, especially on national security.

Mr. Obama announced his selection when the conflict between Russia and Georgia

has provided Republicans an opportunity to reinject foreign policy into an election that has increasingly focused on the economy,

and as Mr. McCain, the presumed Republican nominee, has been proving himself a scrappier opponent than many Democrats had assumed he would be.

(More…………)
====================

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/24/us/politics/24veep.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

canopfor on February 28, 2014 at 6:23 PM

canopfor on February 28, 2014 at 6:27 PM

There will be costs . . . but not that many ‘cuz rail drinks are only $3 during the DNC happy hour. Aww yeah!

xuyee on February 28, 2014 at 6:28 PM

Best we can do is arm the ethnic Ukrainians with what we can, hopefully with Euroland stepping in to help as well, and give them some intelligence

And break his record ??

pambi on February 28, 2014 at 6:28 PM

Sarah Palin – Prophet? Soothsayer? Mystical being?

Sarah warned the world that this would happen.

Pork-Chop on February 28, 2014 at 6:31 PM

OmahaConservative on February 28, 2014 at 6:21 PM

Saw that before but found this
The Manning Report, Nov 4 2013 in the comments.

My Little Sock Puppet on February 28, 2014 at 6:31 PM

frank on February 28, 2014 at 6:11 PM
Ever met a redneck with a gun?
Key West Reader on February 28, 2014 at 6:13 PM

Yes of course you’re correct. I lived in NC, SC, and VA for 9.5 years. They’re real men as well.

frank on February 28, 2014 at 6:32 PM

If anyone is anywhere near Simi Valley and could make the trip up to the Reagan Library to roll the Gipper back over I would really appreciate it.

Manchild president…..

alchemist19 on February 28, 2014 at 6:41 PM

Good thing we’re cutting back on the military budget.

‘Cause otherwise, Putin would be afraid of us, and that would be bad because *mumble* *mumble* *mumble*.

Abelard on February 28, 2014 at 6:44 PM

What difference at this point does it make:

The president of the country’s largest abortion provider said she didn’t think the matter of when life begins is pertinent to the issue.

“It is not something that I feel is really part of this conversation,” Cecile Richards of Planned Parenthood told Fusion’s Jorge Ramos on Thursday. “I don’t know if it’s really relevant to the conversation.”

When pressed, Richards said that in her view life began for her three children when she delivered them.

She explained that the purpose of her organization is not to answer a question that “will be debated through the centuries,” but to provide options for pregnant women.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/372236/planned-parenthood-president-when-life-begins-not-really-relevant-abortion-debate

davidk on February 28, 2014 at 6:49 PM

In other news Putin has Realtor’s scoping out Florida beach front property for next winter. Obama to play doormat.

CW20 on February 28, 2014 at 6:49 PM

POTUS is right — there will be costs! “Costs” of Russian intervention are transportation and salaries of their troops.

bushhog on February 28, 2014 at 6:51 PM

davidk on February 28, 2014 at 6:49 PM

Mucho more I interested in making political contributions than updating clinics to TX standards, for the care of abortion-seeking women.
I hate these folks.

pambi on February 28, 2014 at 6:55 PM

Yes of course you’re correct. I lived in NC, SC, and VA for 9.5 years. They’re real men as well.

frank on February 28, 2014 at 6:32 PM

Well, I’m kind of a redneck girl and we are worse then the mens. Just sayin’.

/Oh, and Obama is a Powder Puff. Everyone knows.

Key West Reader on February 28, 2014 at 6:58 PM

I think I saw Putin yawn during obama’s remarks…..

onesheep on February 28, 2014 at 6:59 PM

In other news Putin has Realtor’s scoping out Florida beach front property for next winter. Obama to play doormatSammich Maker

.

CW20 on February 28, 2014 at 6:49 PM

Key West Reader on February 28, 2014 at 6:59 PM

$5 trillion for social programs
+ $5 trillion for social programs that was previously used for war
= $10 trillion for social programs
 
Now, what does a $5 trillion war still cost?
 
rogerb on February 25, 2014 at 12:09 PM

rogerb on February 28, 2014 at 7:04 PM

In other news Putin has Realtor’s scoping out Florida beach front property for next winter. Obama to play doormat.

CW20 on February 28, 2014 at 6:49 PM

Just a small villa for himself, Castro, and comrades for after the “uncontested arrival” of Cuban troops in Florida.

davidk on February 28, 2014 at 7:05 PM

Wow 1979 Deja vu. It’s Afghanistan and a Jimmy Carter as President all over again.

Wood Dragon on February 28, 2014 at 7:13 PM

Sarah Palin – Prophet? Soothsayer? Mystical being?

Sarah warned the world that this would happen.

Pork-Chop on February 28, 2014 at 6:31 PM

Yep. But she’s, you know, stooopid and stuff.

ddrintn on February 28, 2014 at 7:24 PM

pambi on February 28, 2014 at 7:04 PM

I love it. Drudge, Blaze, Breitbart, etc. are all over this. Based on then Sen. Obama’s weak response to Russia’s invasion of Georgia in 2008, Sarah totally predicted this invasion of Ukraine would happen.

TarheelBen on February 28, 2014 at 7:25 PM

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/02/28/did-sarah-palin-predict-russia-invading-ukraine-if-obama-got-elected/

This one has her own words from today.

pambi on February 28, 2014 at 7:04 PM

“Yes, I could see this one from Alaska. I’m usually not one to Told-Ya-So, but I did, despite my accurate prediction being derided as ‘an extremely far-fetched scenario’ by the ‘high-brow’ Foreign Policy magazine,” she wrote. “Here’s what this ‘stupid’ ‘insipid woman’ predicted back in 2008.”

davidk on February 28, 2014 at 7:30 PM

TarheelBen on February 28, 2014 at 7:25 PM

Pasted all over my ‘social media’ too.
With .. ‘these peeps were the ‘idiots’ in 2008, remember ? WAKE UP !!!’

pambi on February 28, 2014 at 7:34 PM

davidk on February 28, 2014 at 7:30 PM

Thanks, dk .. copy/paste on this tab gave me fits today.
;-)

pambi on February 28, 2014 at 7:35 PM

We are living in interesting times.

Oldnuke on February 28, 2014 at 7:36 PM

We are living in interesting SCARY times.

Oldnuke on February 28, 2014 at 7:36 PM

FIFY…

OmahaConservative on February 28, 2014 at 7:41 PM

OmahaConservative on February 28, 2014 at 7:41 PM

AGAIN !
Well, for alot of us, anyway.

pambi on February 28, 2014 at 7:44 PM

FIFY…

OmahaConservative on February 28, 2014 at 7:41 PM

Nah, I’ve been around too long to be afraid of much. Besides I’ve been through this before just not with quite such a pizzant for prez. Jimmuh was close but The Won is truly pathetic.

Oldnuke on February 28, 2014 at 7:49 PM

UN Ambassador Samantha Power says U.S. is ‘gravely disturbed’ by reports of Russian military movements into Crimea region

“our Ambassador in Berlin registered a protest in strong terms with the German Government against such use of coercion, backed by force, against an independent State in order to create a situation incompatible with its national independence” – Neville Chamberlain

Lost in Jersey on February 28, 2014 at 7:51 PM

Oldnuke on February 28, 2014 at 7:49 PM

Yeah, agree, but …. is he in power for a much bigger reason ?
One tends to wonder.

pambi on February 28, 2014 at 8:03 PM

Canadian man sentenced to 26 months in prison for killing police dog – @AP
davidk on February 28, 2014 at 6:04 PM

Maybe THAT’s why we haven’t seen drywall in awhie.
dentarthurdent on February 28, 2014 at 6:08 PM

They said “killing”, not ‘having sex with’.

LegendHasIt on February 28, 2014 at 8:46 PM

The Poot and Ob show.

Poot: he’s dangerous to liberty domestically and internationally.

Ob: ditto.

Tragi-Comdedy

AshleyTKing on February 28, 2014 at 8:48 PM

Wow 1979 Deja vu. It’s Afghanistan and a Jimmy Carter as President all over again.
Wood Dragon on February 28, 2014 at 7:13 PM

Yep…

Except what we DO have now makes me wish we had someone as forceful and thoughtful as Jimma Kotter.

and here we are without a Charlie Wilson, and Gust Avrakotos, CIA agent, just died of a drug overdose.

(Or something like that. ;-)

LegendHasIt on February 28, 2014 at 8:53 PM

“There Will be Costs”

Indeed, there will be.

With his Pen;

He will write a strongly worded letter…. and mail it without a stamp.

And after that, with his Phone, he will call putin to give him a piece of his mind…..
and the call will be COLLECT!

Oh, the fear that must be coursing through Putin’s veins now!

LegendHasIt on February 28, 2014 at 9:00 PM

President Sissyboy McStompypants says “There will be costs.”

Such as a very sternly worded letter, and Obama will refuse to dance the Twerk for Putin’s amusement at the next G8 summit.

Adjoran on February 28, 2014 at 9:02 PM

Seems I always get here late, but here’s my two cents. Memory lane Woodrow Wilson when asked about the war clouds in Europe, said manfully, that’s their problem. 6 million deaths later etc. Roosevelt says we must stay out of European politics, it’s their problem 39 million deaths later etc. When w had a president that would engage the battle was lost by politicians ahum (Vietnam) (Korea) Can anyone see the pattern as it applies to today with another weasel in charge. How many deaths this time. Last question what party is all this coming from?

jainphx on February 28, 2014 at 9:04 PM

Pretty please give me my drones back.

Philly on February 28, 2014 at 9:35 PM

Michael Savage said D.C. putting together a money package for Ukraine.

bluefox on February 28, 2014 at 9:39 PM

putin is laughing…..

crosshugger on February 28, 2014 at 10:22 PM

Seems I always get here late, but here’s my two cents. Memory lane Woodrow Wilson when asked about the war clouds in Europe, said manfully, that’s their problem. 6 million deaths later etc. Roosevelt says we must stay out of European politics, it’s their problem 39 million deaths later etc. When w had a president that would engage the battle was lost by politicians ahum (Vietnam) (Korea) Can anyone see the pattern as it applies to today with another weasel in charge. How many deaths this time. Last question what party is all this coming from?

jainphx on February 28, 2014 at 9:04 PM

What is your solution? Bomb Russia? Issue a strongly worded letter? Set another Red Line? Stay out of this, let the euros deal with their incompetence.

This rush to action over there IS going to start WW3. Krauthammer and the rest of the neocons are going to put young southern boys on the line while they sit in castles in DC.

LaughterJones on February 28, 2014 at 10:39 PM

We’re gonna need a bigger button!

questionmark on February 28, 2014 at 10:47 PM

Yes, we have no bananas today.

Sherman1864 on February 28, 2014 at 11:08 PM

We are living in creepy times.

Schadenfreude on February 28, 2014 at 11:25 PM

Ukranians should do what Americans should do – take to the streets, fight for their country, & take t back!

easyt65 on February 28, 2014 at 11:31 PM

Laughter Jones===== Yeah we should stand back and watch as more people are subjugated when we could have save them, I guess you don’t understand what the significance of the past means.

jainphx on March 1, 2014 at 12:19 AM

LaughterJones on February 28, 2014 at 10:39 PM

I guess we should be glad Obama has more flexibility after the election so he can sell out another people formerly under the USSR’s thumb.

malclave on March 1, 2014 at 12:33 AM

Putin knows that Obama cannot make more than pro forma protest to his actions in the Ukraine.

American troops are still involved in Afghanistan and a goodly portion of their supplies are transported through former Soviet countries that are still in the Russian sphere.

If Obama pushes Putin too much the supply line gets shut down and our troops will have to depend on supplies transported by air or from ports in Pakistan.

By the same token the EU depends on oil and natural gas from Russia. If they get too pushy (which they never do) the pipelines start having problems. Something the EU is not going to chance.

Our choices are limited here.

schmuck281 on March 1, 2014 at 1:19 AM

The Russians might go away if Obama sends them some ObamaCare and Michelle decides what the soldiers can eat.

Sherman1864 on March 1, 2014 at 3:51 AM

I really think putin is doing this just to show the world how small and irrelevant Obama is. The guy is toying with Obama.

phatfawzi on March 1, 2014 at 6:36 AM

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