As Russia takes over Crimea, Kerry, Carney warn Putin not to cross the “line”

posted at 2:01 pm on February 28, 2014 by Allahpundit

In their defense, what else can they say? If they say nothing, they’ll be pilloried for silence in the face of aggression. If they get too explicit about the consequences of line-crossing, everyone will think of Obama’s humiliation over his Syria “red line” and laugh. There’s nothing the U.S. can do to stop Russia from knocking heads and reclaiming Crimea if it wants to. Which means all that’s left is the traditional stern yet scrupulously vague admonishment.

Kerry, in comments that highlighted Washington’s rising suspicion of Moscow, said the U.S. is watching to see if Russian activity in Crimea “might be crossing a line in any way.” He added that the administration would be “very careful” in making judgments about that.

“While we were told that they are not engaging in any violation of the sovereignty and do not intend to, I nevertheless made it clear that could be misinterpreted at this moment,” Kerry said. “There are enough tensions that it is important for everybody to be extremely careful not to inflame the situation and not send the wrong messages.”

Meanwhile:

What on earth is an “intervention line” and how has Russia not already crossed it? AP photographers snapped pics this morning of Russian personnel carriers on the move inside Crimea:

Between that and the seizure of the airports in Sevastopol and Simferopol, for which, apparently, Russia is now admitting responsibility, Ukraine’s new interior minister says this has become a “military invasion and occupation.” Seems like the fabled “intervention line” has been crossed. Then again, if there’s any one lesson to take from the Syria “red line” debacle, it’s that the White House is willing to look the other way repeatedly at violations in order to avoid having to enforce its lines. Remember, Assad’s side was accused more than once of chemical attacks before the big one last August that finally compelled the White House to act. Could be that Obama and Kerry are following a similar approach here: So long as the movements of Russian troops can kinda sorta be explained as defense of their naval bases in Crimea, that’s technically not an “intervention.” Just like, er, this isn’t an intervention either:

The White House’s plan, I assume, is to hope that Putin will be satisfied with this little bit of muscle-flexing and agree to talks on the disposition of the country rather than take parts of it by force. The goal is probably partition: If the choice is between letting eastern Ukraine and Crimea leave and a major war that Russia will have much more interest in prosecuting than the EU will, why not try to secure Russian acquiescence in letting western Ukraine go and call it a day? The Russians aren’t waiting around on their end of this:

There was a draft law debated to this effect in the Russian State Duma. Now, this announcement on the Russian Foreign Ministry’s Facebook page:

“Consulate General of the Russian Federation in Simferopol urgently requested to take all necessary steps to start issuing Russian passports to members of the “Berkut” fighting force.”

In other words, Russia is now urging the nationalization of Yanukovych’s riot police.

Why is this important? Before Russia invaded Georgia in 2008 they issued passports to ethnic Russians.

At now, the Russian State Duma is discussing a draft law for adding a new subject of the Russian Federation, i.e. Crimea. In other words, Russia is taking many steps that it took before invading Georgia. This looks to be an attempt to annex Crimea.

I’m … reasonably sure that full annexation would cross the “intervention line,” requiring some sort of U.S. response, but we’ve been through too much to underestimate O’s ability to retreat from his own ultimatums. Stay tuned.

Update: The fact that Kerry’s saying things like this makes me think Russia’s not too worried about crossing anyone’s line.


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Hey as PUTIN moves t-72 main battle tanks to the ukraine border

obama issues a statement about a youtube video
and then goes on a vegas fund raiser.

sniffles1999 on February 28, 2014 at 2:52 PM

…it’s nor red again…is it?
KOOLAID2 on February 28, 2014 at 2:42 PM

No, that would be too embarrassing. It’s Crimson

Brock Robamney on February 28, 2014 at 2:52 PM

Remember what Sarah Palin said:

“I can see Putin’s shoe print on Obama’s backside from my house.”

Occams Stubble on February 28, 2014 at 2:23 PM

http://weaselzippers.us/177396-flashback-sarah-palin-mocked-for-saying-russia-could-invade-ukraine/


Palin helpfully offered four scenarios for such a crisis, one of which was this strange one:

“After the Russian Army invaded the nation of Georgia, Senator Obama’s reaction was one of indecision and moral equivalence, the kind of response that would only encourage Russia’s Putin to invade Ukraine next.”

the_nile on February 28, 2014 at 2:53 PM

President Maginot Line will stop him.
Flange on February 28, 2014 at 2:06 PM

Good one

Brock Robamney on February 28, 2014 at 2:53 PM

Hey obama, how is the russian help going in syria?

russians to dispose of syrain nerve gas in Ukraine

(obama goes golfing)

sniffles1999 on February 28, 2014 at 2:54 PM

Well, we all just need to be thankful that Secretary Kerry and President Obama are in office. If this were George Bush and Secretary Rice, Putin would have his troops already in Paris, with troop ships waiting to unload in Denver.
/s

Just saving some time for the trolls on here. They are certainly thinking it, just getting it out of the way for them…

USNCVN on February 28, 2014 at 2:55 PM

I pray the Ukrainians are not depending upon King Putt and John Horsehead Kerry for either advice or cover.
The Ukraine offers a formidable land force if it can be commanded and controlled. I would imagine some entities in our government have a clue about the condition of Ukrainian forces. However I no doubt that King Putt will ignore their council. I would also hope that the Ukrainian’s understand their adversary. Putin is born and bred KGB through and through never forget that.
In the words of Ambrose Bierce: War is God’s way of teaching Americans geography.

Missilengr on February 28, 2014 at 2:56 PM

PolAgnostic on February 28, 2014 at 2:49 PM

time to chill on the coffee. Nebraska isn’t even in the running.

upinak on February 28, 2014 at 2:56 PM

Putin will do whatever he wants. And I can’t even blame Obama*. Do Americans really want to shed a drop of American blood for Ukraine? That’s a little cold, but this country has had enough war fatigue.

* I can blame him for making us look weaker, but I don’t know if ANY deterrent would have kept Putin out of Crimea. It’s a “must have” for Russia.

Rusty Nail on February 28, 2014 at 3:01 PM

And I don’t think we should stand by here with our arms crossed, watching these things happen in our hemisphere and say nothing about them. I can close by saying this: Over the last week, I have tweeted about these issues. I get thousands of retweets from students and young people, until they shut them out, in Venezuela who are encouraged by the fact that we are on their side. What they want is what we have, the freedom and the liberty. That’s what all people want. And if America and its policy-makers are not going to be firmly on the side of freedom and liberty, who in the world is? Who on this planet will? If this nation is not firmly on the side of human rights and freedom and the dignity of all people, what nation on the Earth will? And if we’re prepared to walk away from that, then I submit to you that this century is going to be a dangerous and dark one. But I don’t believe that’s what the American people want from us. Nor the majority of my colleagues.

— Rubio

Schadenfreude on February 28, 2014 at 3:01 PM

Aw, come on, guys, it’s all part of Obama’s ingenious Bugs Bunny strategy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkzWyOaS8kU

FloatingRock on February 28, 2014 at 3:02 PM

The Ukraine offers a formidable land force if it can be commanded and controlled. I would imagine some entities in our government have a clue about the condition of Ukrainian forces.

Missilengr on February 28, 2014 at 2:56 PM

Around half (or more) of those troops will be Russian speaking Ukrainians from the eastern Ukraine who consistently vote for the opposite candidate that the eastern half votes for.

sharrukin on February 28, 2014 at 3:03 PM

Putin better watch his sh*t-

Not only are there bright and glowy lines for him not cross,

but he’s messin’ with our Sec of State- the mighty gallic man with the playdoh face, John Kerry.

And he’s got a magic hat, too.

GrassMudHorsey on February 28, 2014 at 3:03 PM

I’m sorry but how the hell is this any of our business? Can we mind our own, and take care of our own before we start gambling with more and more American treasure and lives.

MoreLiberty on February 28, 2014 at 2:07 PM

I believe that we have a treaty with them, or some sort of mutual aid if attacked pact. I will have to check it out.

Johnnyreb on February 28, 2014 at 2:51 PM

Yep, we signed a defense treaty with them in 1994 in an effort to get them to give up their Nuclear Weapons. We are on the hook.

Budapest memorandum

Johnnyreb on February 28, 2014 at 3:04 PM

As Russia takes over Crimea, Kerry, Carney warn Putin not to cross the “line”

Problem handled, then.

Russia better watch out. If they push too hard, the UN will send a harshly-worded letter.

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 28, 2014 at 3:05 PM

FloatingRock on February 28, 2014 at 3:02 PM

Well he is a long-eared galoot, unfortunately he’s not that smart.

Flange on February 28, 2014 at 3:05 PM

Kerry makes Madeline Albright look good…

OmahaConservative on February 28, 2014 at 3:06 PM

Partition?? Sudetenland, Munich, protecting ethnic brothers. Have we gone down this road before? Don’t Poland, Slovakia, Romania, and the Baltic Republics have significant Russian minorities? Does anyone in the administration or the media read and understand history?

xkaydet65 on February 28, 2014 at 2:37 PM

Sadly, this administration is clueless.

The “protect ethnic brothers” excuse was the exact same utilized by Hitler when he invaded the Czechoslovakia.

Common stratgy by thugs and despots everywhere, but yet it appear to have come as a surprise on the clowns in the Obama WH.

Norwegian on February 28, 2014 at 3:07 PM

Yep, we signed a defense treaty with them in 1994 in an effort to get them to give up their Nuclear Weapons. We are on the hook.

Budapest memorandum

Johnnyreb on February 28, 2014 at 3:04 PM

I think you are also referring to the START as well.

Which is also part of the START I as well.

upinak on February 28, 2014 at 3:07 PM

time to chill on the coffee. Nebraska isn’t even in the running.

upinak on February 28, 2014 at 2:56 PM

.
With folks like you holding forth with an absolute lack of substance …

… yes, it is.

PolAgnostic on February 28, 2014 at 3:08 PM

So Romney was right when he said in the debates that Russia remains our main international foe. Sadly the American people elected the wrong man to be president. I am glad to say that I did not vote for Obama.

SC.Charlie on February 28, 2014 at 3:09 PM

Putin will do whatever he wants. And I can’t even blame Obama*. Do Americans really want to shed a drop of American blood for Ukraine? That’s a little cold, but this country has had enough war fatigue.

* I can blame him for making us look weaker, but I don’t know if ANY deterrent would have kept Putin out of Crimea. It’s a “must have” for Russia.

Rusty Nail on February 28, 2014 at 3:01 PM

It wouldn’t really be that hard. A confidential warning to Russia, air support offered confidentially to the Ukraine, a little careful face-saving so Russia does not have to back down openly.

Russia would back down, because they would figure they still had the advantage in the long term. And they would be right.

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 28, 2014 at 3:09 PM

Partition?? Sudetenland, Munich, protecting ethnic brothers. Have we gone down this road before? Don’t Poland, Slovakia, Romania, and the Baltic Republics have significant Russian minorities? Does anyone in the administration or the media read and understand history?

xkaydet65 on February 28, 2014 at 2:37 PM

Sadly, this administration is clueless.

The “protect ethnic brothers” excuse was the exact same utilized by Hitler when he invaded the Czechoslovakia.

Common stratgy by thugs and despots everywhere, but yet it appear to have come as a surprise on the clowns in the Obama WH.

Norwegian on February 28, 2014 at 3:07 PM

This is like asking if Obama knows what the official language of Austria is.

upinak on February 28, 2014 at 3:10 PM

The weak and reckless diplomacy of the Obama administration have led directly to this mess. Mitt Romney and Sarah Palin were completely correctly in pointing out the threat of Putin’s Russia, only to be laughed at by leftists. How is it looking now?

Dr.B on February 28, 2014 at 3:10 PM

I feel sorry for the Ukranians. I wish the world could trust America–if this was Reagan in office, no one would be pulling this stuff right now.

Or even Bush Senior after Gulf War I. We went through all of the Soviet stuff easily; we could still do so.

I bet Ukraine wishes it had some warthogs right about now.

Vanceone on February 28, 2014 at 3:10 PM

“2,000 RUSSIAN SOLDIERS LAND IN CRIMEA IN ARMED INVASION, KIEV OFFICIAL SAYS — AFP (Agence France-Presse)
UKRAINE ACTING PRESIDENT TURCHYNOV STARTS BRIEFING
UKRAINE LEADER SAYS RUSSIA STARTS AGGRESSION AGAINST COUNTRY
UKRAINE SAYS RUSSIA INVADED UKRAINE UNDER GUISE OF EXERCISE

At the same time, Ukraine Pravda is reporting that Russian military planes are now landing in the Crimea”

Viator on February 28, 2014 at 3:11 PM

With folks like you holding forth with an absolute lack of substance …

… yes, it is.

PolAgnostic on February 28, 2014 at 3:08 PM

I am doing it because you are freaking out, so you can calm down. Out of everything you posted, I don’t think any of them would work. Germany wants us out (for the majority of the nation) and seriously… Nebraska?

upinak on February 28, 2014 at 3:11 PM

Yep, we signed a defense treaty with them in 1994 in an effort to get them to give up their Nuclear Weapons. We are on the hook.

Budapest memorandum

Johnnyreb on February 28, 2014 at 3:04 PM

Taiwan had a mutual defense treaty with the United States as well.

sharrukin on February 28, 2014 at 3:12 PM

To all those who are calling the administration and response weak, what would you have us do?

Right now, are you willing to commit US ground troops in Ukraine to combat this Russian aggression?

segasagez on February 28, 2014 at 3:14 PM

Third time: what, if anything, should the US do?

Akzed on February 28, 2014 at 3:15 PM

Third time: what, if anything, should the US do?

Akzed on February 28, 2014 at 3:15 PM

It will do nothing. It can do nothing. It should do nothing.

sharrukin on February 28, 2014 at 3:16 PM

Johnnyreb on February 28, 2014 at 3:04 PM

That doesn’t count as TOTUS is not a signatory to it.

upinak on February 28, 2014 at 2:56 PM

You are missing the point, I believe. No one on here is advocating us attacking Russia over this. I certainly don’t believe we should. Unfortunately there is nothing we can do at this point in time. The point is, is when we as voters abdicate our responsibility and elect someone who is completely unqualified, there are consequences.

This administration has zero credibility with world leaders, especially those who dislike us or wish us harm. Because of that, those leaders are emboldened, and there is nothing we can do about it.

Because of this problem (which we created by putting this fool in office) the world is a much more dangerous place. If one needs a refresher, look no further than 1930′s with Nazi Germany, Adolf Hitler, and English Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain. Each time Hitler invaded an country, it was “to assimilate and protect German citizens” in those nations. Each time, the world said, “it’s just that area” and did nothing. Eventually, he realized nobody would do anything and he went full combat. We literally came within a whisker of losing that war.

I have no desire to see Americans lose their lives on foreign shores ever again unless it is to protect their country. But the world is a dangerous place and when you let children run it, bad things happen.

My hope, though it is fading, is we will wake up and put an adult in charge again.

USNCVN on February 28, 2014 at 3:16 PM

Somehow the US stayed out of the last Crimean War and it didn’t harelip anybody.

Akzed on February 28, 2014 at 3:17 PM

Third time: what, if anything, should the US do?

Akzed on February 28, 2014 at 3:15 PM

Depose Obama.

the_nile on February 28, 2014 at 3:17 PM

Yep, we signed a defense treaty with them in 1994 in an effort to get them to give up their Nuclear Weapons. We are on the hook.

Budapest memorandum

Johnnyreb on February 28, 2014 at 3:04 PM

Which will mean precisely nothing to Obama, of course. Just saying.

Midas on February 28, 2014 at 3:19 PM

Obama won’t care.

Liberals only criticized Putin because of homosexuals, not him taking over the Crimea.

I guess there aren’t any homosexuals in the Ukraine.

sentinelrules on February 28, 2014 at 3:20 PM

No one on here is advocating us attacking Russia over this. I certainly don’t believe we should.

Each time Hitler invaded an country, it was “to assimilate and protect German citizens” in those nations. Each time, the world said, “it’s just that area” and did nothing. Eventually, he realized nobody would do anything and he went full combat. We literally came within a whisker of losing that war.
USNCVN on February 28, 2014 at 3:16 PM

You argue that we should do nothing, but bring up a situation in which the only recourse was to engage in direct combat. Either you feel that we should do nothing or we should do something, but you can’t argue both at the same time.

You’re saying the current administration has no courage, but you’re doing exactly the same thing you criticize them as doing. You aren’t willing to commit anything, but use strong words.

segasagez on February 28, 2014 at 3:21 PM

My hope, though it is fading, is we will wake up and put an adult in charge again.

USNCVN on February 28, 2014 at 3:16 PM

No, I didn’t miss the point. The point is (not withstanding our veterans right now) how many people do you believe are going to defend our nation? If something big happens again, we are SOL. I am in the same frame of mind your are.

upinak on February 28, 2014 at 3:21 PM

You’re saying the current administration has no courage, but you’re doing exactly the same thing you criticize them as doing. You aren’t willing to commit anything, but use strong words.

segasagez on February 28, 2014 at 3:21 PM

Please tell me what courage this administration has? I have yet to see much of anything.

upinak on February 28, 2014 at 3:23 PM

Has O’Barky offered to bake Putin a cake yet?

viking01 on February 28, 2014 at 3:26 PM

To all those who are calling the administration and response weak, what would you have us do?

Right now, are you willing to commit US ground troops in Ukraine to combat this Russian aggression?

segasagez on February 28, 2014 at 3:14 PM

A. No, I’m not willing to suggest we send ground troops.

B. Yes, this administration and it’s response are weak. They know it, we know it, everyone knows it.

These are not mutually exclusive positions. The point is that this administration has an open history of being feckless and impotent, which *encourages* the kind of situation where we have to ask ourselves these questions.

Would we be having this conversation if Putin had every reason to think he should think twice about his actions? Maybe – but having demonstrated to him and the rest of the world that we *will* do *nothing* certainly helps him decide he can do whatever he wants and there will be nothing from the US but feeble discussions about ‘lines’. *Again*.

Midas on February 28, 2014 at 3:26 PM

so…are we seeing the start of WW3 in almost real time??

dmacleo on February 28, 2014 at 3:28 PM

Wiki puts the population of Crimea at just under 60% Russian. About 1/4 are Ukrainian. Looks like Russia could easily claim protection for its citizens.

It could also be said that Russia wants to ensure their lease from the Ukraine for the Naval base at Sevastopol remains intact.

There is nothing Obama and friends can (or really want?) to do about what Russia intends.

TerryW on February 28, 2014 at 2:22 PM

Someone needs to remind the Russians in the Crimea and the rest of Ukraine exactly what happened to the Sudeten Germans and every other ethnic German living in Eastern Europe following WW II. It was not pretty.

catsandbooks on February 28, 2014 at 3:28 PM

Please tell me what courage this administration has? I have yet to see much of anything.

upinak on February 28, 2014 at 3:23 PM

What should the US be doing right now? What is it that they are currently doing that they shouldn’t be doing, and what is it that they aren’t doing that they should be doing?

segasagez on February 28, 2014 at 3:29 PM

Each time Hitler invaded an country, it was “to assimilate and protect German citizens” in those nations.

Kinda like the US taking the southwest from Mexico. I’m all for having done it, don’t get me wrong, but don’t act like that’s some vile, unacceptable excuse.

Each time, the world said, “it’s just that area” and did nothing. Eventually, he realized nobody would do anything and he went full combat.

And hundreds of thousands of American lives later, Germany dominates Europe.

We literally came within a whisker of losing that war. USNCVN on February 28, 2014 at 3:16 PM

Please. Russia had beaten Germany and was chasing it home. Joachim Piper had to abandon his tanks for lack of fuel in the Ardennes.

Akzed on February 28, 2014 at 3:30 PM

What should the US be doing right now? What is it that they are currently doing that they shouldn’t be doing, and what is it that they aren’t doing that they should be doing?

segasagez on February 28, 2014 at 3:29 PM

ever research history? Reagan.

upinak on February 28, 2014 at 3:30 PM

A strong U.S. Response from this White House would be a strongly worded letter, but not one that actually threatens sny action. But, hey, we can not criticize this oresident too harshly, because he is black, you know? Isn’t that definition of racism? Low expectations. Did we not know that this would be the outcome when we elected an affirmative action president?

Techster64 on February 28, 2014 at 3:30 PM

Someone needs to remind the Russians in the Crimea and the rest of Ukraine exactly what happened to the Sudeten Germans and every other ethnic German living in Eastern Europe following WW II. It was not pretty.

catsandbooks on February 28, 2014 at 3:28 PM

45% of the Ukraine speaks Russian. They are not a small minority of the country.

sharrukin on February 28, 2014 at 3:31 PM

segasagez on February 28, 2014 at 3:21 PM

And you are a fool. What I point out is we are living with Neville Chamberlain right now. Because of his, and the rest of Western Europe’s feckless behaviour, over 50 million people died, and of that number over one million of those casualties were American (including wounded).

That is completely unacceptable to me, but it’s where we are going because low information voters insisted on voting for this complete jackass.

Do I have an opinion? Absolutely. Make a phone call and let Putin know we have a couple Nimitz-class carriers which will be deployed nearby, along with our SSBN’s off of their coast. And you know what? When a MAN was in charge, that was what was done, and it worked. I know, I spent some time parked in scary places “playing” war games.

USNCVN on February 28, 2014 at 3:31 PM

so…are we seeing the start of WW3 in almost real time??

dmacleo on February 28, 2014 at 3:28 PM

Probably not.

sentinelrules on February 28, 2014 at 3:32 PM

If this were not such a frikkin’ disaster on so many levels, I would be ROFL at the as yet unplumbed depths of the Gang Who Couldn’t Shoot Straight’s ineptitude and sheer stinking stupidity. Unfortunately, it’s too important to laugh.

catsandbooks on February 28, 2014 at 3:32 PM

the issue is now there is nothing we can do, putin saw how obama handles red lines in syria (and libya) and knows he can act with impunity.
the issue NOW isn’t that we have a weak admin (well it is but I mean in this one issue) but that this admin has consistently shown itself to be weak.
past actions show how stuff will be handled and putin banked on it.

dmacleo on February 28, 2014 at 3:32 PM

Midas on February 28, 2014 at 3:26 PM

So… what should we do?

Akzed on February 28, 2014 at 3:32 PM

Russia could start lobbing nuclear weapons in there and Kerry and Obama would call it ‘deeply troubling’, and that is as far as it would go.

A basketball analogy would be that Russia can dunk on us at will, totally block our shots with a humiliating ‘in your face’, and they own home court advantage. Current USA leadership has used the old ‘head fake’ way to many times, and Russia has thoughtful experienced leaders who know better than to fall for it.

s1im on February 28, 2014 at 3:33 PM

And you are a fool. What I point out is we are living with Neville Chamberlain right now. USNCVN on February 28, 2014 at 3:31 PM

Chamberlain was asked to buy one year’s time to prepare for war with Germany, and he did it. He took that secret to his grave for his country’s benefit, and became a byword among the ignorant for his troubles.

Akzed on February 28, 2014 at 3:35 PM

Please. Russia had beaten Germany and was chasing it home. Joachim Piper had to abandon his tanks for lack of fuel in the Ardennes.

Akzed on February 28, 2014 at 3:30 PM

True, but remember Russia lost 27 million people in WW II plus destruction of their country.

Kaffa on February 28, 2014 at 3:38 PM

He took that secret to his grave for his country’s benefit, and became a byword among the ignorant for his troubles.

Akzed on February 28, 2014 at 3:35 PM

And what a great accomplishment. 8 months of a phony war.

sentinelrules on February 28, 2014 at 3:39 PM

Will Barry have a “golly gee, that sure opens my eyes” moment, as Jiminy Carter did when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan?

slickwillie2001 on February 28, 2014 at 3:39 PM

Ha! Russia has more to fear from Ukrainians than the United States, but then Barky couldn’t care less about freedom, liberty and all that jazz.

HiJack on February 28, 2014 at 3:41 PM

Someone needs to remind the Russians in the Crimea and the rest of Ukraine exactly what happened to the Sudeten Germans and every other ethnic German living in Eastern Europe following WW II. It was not pretty.

catsandbooks on February 28, 2014 at 3:28 PM

45% of the Ukraine speaks Russian. They are not a small minority of the country.

sharrukin on February 28, 2014 at 3:31 PM

‘Speaking Russian’ and being willing to live under the jackboot of Putin and his thugs are two entirely different things.

slickwillie2001 on February 28, 2014 at 3:42 PM

And you are a fool. What I point out is we are living with Neville Chamberlain right now. Because of his, and the rest of Western Europe’s feckless behaviour, over 50 million people died, and of that number over one million of those casualties were American (including wounded).

That is completely unacceptable to me, but it’s where we are going because low information voters insisted on voting for this complete jackass.

Do I have an opinion? Absolutely. Make a phone call and let Putin know we have a couple Nimitz-class carriers which will be deployed nearby, along with our SSBN’s off of their coast. And you know what? When a MAN was in charge, that was what was done, and it worked. I know, I spent some time parked in scary places “playing” war games.

USNCVN on February 28, 2014 at 3:31 PM

You do know that we didn’t do that in WWII, right? You do know we didn’t try to intimidate the enemy into stopping their aggression. We sent troops over to fight. We didn’t try to out man them. We outgunned them.

When you were out there “playing” warm games, did you engage in combat? Were you ordered to attack Russia?

segasagez on February 28, 2014 at 3:44 PM

ever research history? Reagan.

upinak on February 28, 2014 at 3:30 PM

That doesn’t answer my question. What should the US be doing right now? What is it that they are currently doing that they shouldn’t be doing, and what is it that they aren’t doing that they should be doing?

segasagez on February 28, 2014 at 3:45 PM

Why the long face, John??

ToddPA on February 28, 2014 at 3:46 PM

‘Speaking Russian’ and being willing to live under the jackboot of Putin and his thugs are two entirely different things.

slickwillie2001 on February 28, 2014 at 3:42 PM

Well it seems that more than a few of those speaking Russian in the Crimea are demonstrating for exactly that. The east and west split in the Ukraine is real and this whole thing may spin out of control. It’s not about that one bad man called ‘Putin’.

sharrukin on February 28, 2014 at 3:47 PM

segasagez on February 28, 2014 at 3:44 PM

little too late to do that when we got involved.
Some of us actively tracked russian incursions into germany through fulda gap area for years, had specific protocols (that I forget now) for each time we saw one.
had to report to MPI,CID,and Polezie iirc.

dmacleo on February 28, 2014 at 3:48 PM

That doesn’t answer my question. What should the US be doing right now? What is it that they are currently doing that they shouldn’t be doing, and what is it that they aren’t doing that they should be doing?

segasagez on February 28, 2014 at 3:45 PM

What is there to do when we have the stutterer in chief at the helm, with the most liquid back bone ever?

Until he is removed or put out to pasture… we as a nation are sitting ducks. Who is going to come to our aid? Not any nation I can think of, off the top of my little pointy head. Can you?

upinak on February 28, 2014 at 3:48 PM

We have no national interest in the plight of the Ukraine. We have no recourse, short of getting into a war with Russia. You can’t sanction Russia because they have become self sufficient and the Europeans depend upon their oil exports. So, what would the neocons have us do?

fight like a girl on February 28, 2014 at 3:49 PM

Well it seems that more than a few of those speaking Russian in the Crimea are demonstrating for exactly that. The east and west split in the Ukraine is real and this whole thing may spin out of control. It’s not about that one bad man called ‘Putin’.

sharrukin on February 28, 2014 at 3:47 PM

the east and west Ukraine. Berlin, Germany and Poland shall be proud.

upinak on February 28, 2014 at 3:50 PM

What is there to do when we have the stutterer in chief at the helm, with the most liquid back bone ever?

Until he is removed or put out to pasture… we as a nation are sitting ducks. Who is going to come to our aid? Not any nation I can think of, off the top of my little pointy head. Can you?

upinak on February 28, 2014 at 3:48 PM

Thank you.

segasagez on February 28, 2014 at 3:50 PM

Has O’Barky offered to bake Putin a cake yet?

viking01 on February 28, 2014 at 3:26 PM

Putin asked his cap’n kickass to make him a sammich. The cap’n's in the kitchen doing what he’s told.

/flexibility

Key West Reader on February 28, 2014 at 3:50 PM

Thank you.

segasagez on February 28, 2014 at 3:50 PM

what? Not going to answer my question now? tit/tat.

upinak on February 28, 2014 at 3:51 PM

“Governance is hard.
“But blaming and evasion is fun!”

President Jug Ears

orangemtl on February 28, 2014 at 3:51 PM

‘Speaking Russian’ and being willing to live under the jackboot of Putin and his thugs are two entirely different things.

slickwillie2001 on February 28, 2014 at 3:42 PM

The new Kiev government is populated with neo-Nazis. (Check out Bandera.) The ethnic Russians of Crimea remember the Nazi collaborators from North Ukraine aiding the 8 month siege of Sevastopol in WW II and their liberation by Russia.

Kaffa on February 28, 2014 at 3:52 PM

45% of the Ukraine speaks Russian. They are not a small minority of the country.

sharrukin on February 28, 2014 at 3:31 PM

And after several centuries of being part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, I am sure a large percentage of the Czechs and Slovaks of what became Czechoslovakia also spoke German. They still drove the Sudeten Germans out of Czechoslovakia after WW II, and many other ethnic German populations were forcibly sent to Germany from other Eastern European countries even if their ancestors had settled in the area hundreds of years before.

catsandbooks on February 28, 2014 at 3:53 PM

the east and west Ukraine. Berlin, Germany and Poland shall be proud.

upinak on February 28, 2014 at 3:50 PM

They don’t get along. The Ukraine has had one government after another and the national divide shows up time and time again.

http://observationalism.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/ukraine_elections_1991-2012_maps.png

sharrukin on February 28, 2014 at 3:55 PM

So, what would the neocons have us do?

fight like a girl on February 28, 2014 at 3:49 PM

It’s not our fight, but to have Barky and his dogs huff and puff about crossing lines and all just makes it worse. Better to just condemn the Russians for violating civil rights, and yadda, yadda, yadda…

HiJack on February 28, 2014 at 3:56 PM

True, but remember Russia lost 27 million people in WW II plus destruction of their country. Kaffa on February 28, 2014 at 3:38 PM

So?

Akzed on February 28, 2014 at 3:58 PM

ever research history? Reagan.

upinak on February 28, 2014 at 3:30 PM

Please do tell…WWRD?
Find a some Mujahideen types to sell some weapons to?

Does seem the Putin crush is wearing off a little finally…for some.
But still seems to be a little pining by some to see him invade – just so they can spin more ‘look at him be the boss of Obama!’ cooing.

verbaluce on February 28, 2014 at 3:59 PM

what? Not going to answer my question now? tit/tat.

upinak on February 28, 2014 at 3:51 PM

What was your question?

segasagez on February 28, 2014 at 3:59 PM

Someone needs to remind the Russians in the Crimea and the rest of Ukraine exactly what happened to the Sudeten Germans and every other ethnic German living in Eastern Europe following WW II. It was not pretty.

catsandbooks on February 28, 2014 at 3:28 PM

The people in that region have plenty of first hand experience with that sort of thing. Also, it’s not a clean geographical split between the two so it could get a bit like some of the more complicated partitions. Both sides have valid cases for separation but there are practical reasons for maintaining Ukraine as it is.

It’s fear of Ukrainian nationalists and proto-fascists which is driving some part of this conflict. It will be interesting to see how much support Putin and his philandering puppet actually have in the Crimea and Russian speaking cities.

lexhamfox on February 28, 2014 at 4:01 PM

Someone needs to remind the Russians in the Crimea and the rest of Ukraine exactly what happened to the Sudeten Germans and every other ethnic German living in Eastern Europe following WW II. It was not pretty.

catsandbooks on February 28, 2014 at 3:28 PM

The people in that region have plenty of first hand experience with that sort of thing. Also, it’s not a clean geographical split between the two so it could get a bit like some of the more complicated partitions. Both sides have valid cases for separation but there are practical reasons for maintaining Ukraine as it is.

It’s fear of Ukrainian nationalists and proto-fascists which is driving some part of this conflict. It will be interesting to see how much support Putin and his philandering puppet actually have in the Crimea and Russian speaking cities.

hey don’t get along. The Ukraine has had one government after another and the national divide shows up time and time again.

http://observationalism.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/ukraine_elections_1991-2012_maps.png

sharrukin on February 28, 2014 at 3:55 PM

lexhamfox on February 28, 2014 at 4:03 PM

From the “This Never Happened Files” ………

President Bush, climbimg the rubble of what once was the WTC,

“If the people responsible for the slaughter of innocent Americans ever try something like this again will will most likely, probably draw a line n the sand.”

fogw on February 28, 2014 at 4:04 PM

Aw, come on, guys, it’s all part of Obama’s ingenious Bugs Bunny strategy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkzWyOaS8kU

FloatingRock on February 28, 2014 at 3:02 PM

Obviously, 0bumble should have taken a right at Albuquergue….

dentarthurdent on February 28, 2014 at 4:05 PM

hey don’t get along. The Ukraine has had one government after another and the national divide shows up time and time again.

http://observationalism.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/ukraine_elections_1991-2012_maps.png

sharrukin on February 28, 2014 at 3:55 PM

Sorry… hit the send button before finishing.

I think the leadership on both sides has been grossly incompetent since independence. The place has been starved of good governance for some time now and it is very frustrating more common Ukrainians.

lexhamfox on February 28, 2014 at 4:05 PM

And what a great accomplishment. 8 months of a phony war.
sentinelrules on February 28, 2014 at 3:39 PM

Beats a real war.

What would you have had Britain do differently?

Akzed on February 28, 2014 at 4:06 PM

The US should just use some of those warthogs and annilahate some Russian armored personnel carriers. All the while talking about how Vlad is a man of his word and we certainly expect him to keep his promise not to invade Ukraine and that we are just helping the new government handle a few criminal elements.

What’s Vlad going to say? That they were Russian troops? Then he’s admitting he invaded? The old “Volunteers” that China sent to Korea?

Vlad said he wouldn’t invade, so he can’t protest if his troops get annihilated in a place they aren’t supposed to be. If he DOES get upset, then pointedly ask him if his word means anything, and if he’s willing to openly invade a foreign country, then bring out the old Russian Bear stuff.

Ukraine has a decent army. US airpower sweeping the skies clear would help them out.

Vanceone on February 28, 2014 at 4:07 PM

I think the leadership on both sides has been grossly incompetent since independence. The place has been starved of good governance for some time now and it is very frustrating more common Ukrainians.

lexhamfox on February 28, 2014 at 4:05 PM

Yup. Incompetent and corrupt for the most part. Now the more radical elements can move in and take advantage of that leadership vacuum.

sharrukin on February 28, 2014 at 4:08 PM

Beats a real war.

What would you have had Britain do differently?

Akzed on February 28, 2014 at 4:06 PM

A real war was declared by him on Sept 1, 1939, so why then fight a phony one?

For starters, I wouldn’t have dropped leaflets on Germany.

sentinelrules on February 28, 2014 at 4:09 PM

The best we can hope for is if Putin only takes the Crimea. The worst case is if Putin takes all of the Ukraine. With Obama as president, I’m sure Putin is taking all of the Ukraine. Give me a break, Obama an Kerry are going to do nothing at all. Well, there’s always the United Nations? Ha, ha, ha, now that is funny, thinking they would do anything about it.

Libertyship46 on February 28, 2014 at 4:11 PM

Ukraine has a decent army. US airpower sweeping the skies clear would help them out. Vanceone on February 28, 2014 at 4:07 PM

How many of your family are you willing to sacrifice for this adventure?

Akzed on February 28, 2014 at 4:11 PM

What should the US be doing right now? What is it that they are currently doing that they shouldn’t be doing, and what is it that they aren’t doing that they should be doing?

segasagez on February 28, 2014 at 3:45 PM

What Kerry and Obama are currently doing that they shouldn’t be doing is posturing and issuing meaningless warnings about not crossing lines.

Everybody, including Putin, knows Obama and Kerry are fools and that all their ultimatums about “red lines” and “intervention lines” are nothing but the blather of feckless idiots.

What they should be doing is shutting the f–k up. They are an embarrassment to this nation.

AZCoyote on February 28, 2014 at 4:12 PM

US airpower sweeping the skies clear would help them out.

Vanceone on February 28, 2014 at 4:07 PM

Flying from where? Turkey? Romania?

How many of those countries do you think are going to line up and be a potential nuclear target? How many do you think will join a war with Russia over the Ukraine?

sharrukin on February 28, 2014 at 4:12 PM

sharrukin on February 28, 2014 at 3:55 PM

you missed the sarcasm. I guess I need to / from now on.

upinak on February 28, 2014 at 4:14 PM

What Kerry and Obama are currently doing that they shouldn’t be doing is posturing and issuing meaningless warnings about not crossing lines.

Everybody, including Putin, knows Obama and Kerry are fools and that all their ultimatums about “red lines” and “intervention lines” are nothing but the blather of feckless idiots.

What they should be doing is shutting the f–k up. They are an embarrassment to this nation.

AZCoyote on February 28, 2014 at 4:12 PM

If they say nothing, they’ll be pilloried for silence in the face of aggression.

Damned if they do, damned if they don’t.

segasagez on February 28, 2014 at 4:15 PM

45% of the Ukraine speaks Russian. They are not a small minority of the country.

sharrukin on February 28, 2014 at 3:31 PM

Since people speak Spanish in Mexico, does that make them part of Spain?

Again, Russian is widely spoken in Ukraine because Ukraine was an USSR republic and Russian was the official language of government for nearly 70 years.

Actual percentage of entic Russians in Ukraine? Less than 17%.

Norwegian on February 28, 2014 at 4:16 PM

you missed the sarcasm. I guess I need to / from now on.

upinak on February 28, 2014 at 4:14 PM

Given that I am now talking to a guy suggesting airstrikes on Russian ground troops…yeah, I would say sarcasm tags are no longer optional!

Sorry!

sharrukin on February 28, 2014 at 4:16 PM

sharrukin on February 28, 2014 at 4:16 PM

A casual start to WW3 a la Wesley Clark.

lexhamfox on February 28, 2014 at 4:19 PM

Sorry!

sharrukin on February 28, 2014 at 4:16 PM

I get ya. I guess I need to come around more often or something. It is dry, like toast, burnt, in the desert, during a drought. Crusty!

Not you… just an observation.

upinak on February 28, 2014 at 4:19 PM

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