Quotes of the day

posted at 10:41 pm on February 27, 2014 by Allahpundit

On Tuesday, American Atheists President David Silverman received a phone call from American Conservative Union Executive Director Dan Schneider informing him that the ACU board is breaking its agreement to permit American Atheists to host an information booth at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC), March 6-8.

According to Silverman, Schneider cited “the tone” in the quote “The Christian right should be threatened by us.”, which was in a Tuesday CNN article, as the reason for the revocation. This reversal came just hours after a press release from American Atheists announcing the booth, one week before the conference…

“Continuing to conflate religion and conservatism is not a viable strategy; this was apparently too scary for CPAC attendees to hear,” Silverman said. “America’s religious conservatives can deny it all they want, but soon they’re going to realize that ignoring the growing number of atheist constituents is a losing proposition.”

***

Why did you want a booth at CPAC?

To raise the awareness of the fact that 20 percent of America’s conservatives are non-religious people — they never pray, according to Pew …

And they should include the non-religious in their talks … They should acknowledge the non-religious. And they should rethink the conservative marriage with Christianity …

Conservatism is declining, obviously … And the reason that they are suffering is because they are doing the wrong thing, by taking the fastest growing … religious demographic in the country — the fastest-growing in all 50 states — and shoving it off to the side for the sake of Jesus …

What CPAC has done is effectively bury its head in the sand, and is pretending that things aren’t changing. They are pretending that atheists aren’t relevant. And they are pretending that Christianity still holds water in American society.

***

Although the many conservatives are uncomfortable with atheists, it’s not clear that the atheist movement is necessarily much more comfortable with conservatives. When Edwina Rogers, who had previously worked for Senator Trent Lott and President George W. Bush, was tapped as Executive Director of the Secular Coalition of America, Greta Christina, a popular atheist writer, said that her work as a Republican was “a real problem” and that the aims of the GOP were “diametrically opposed to those of the atheist and secular community.” Christina subsequently resigned her membership in the SCA, when she felt that Rogers did not adequately address these concerns.

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Before the 1990s, Republicans won as much as 43 percent of non-religious voters, but suddenly began losing them by a 2 to 1 margin just as the group began to grow. By 2008, voters with no religion had grown to 12 percent of the electorate – more than Hispanics – and Barack Obama won them in 2008 and 2012 with wider margins than any previous Democrat. Mitt Romney narrowed the gap in 2012, though at 44 points he was hardly competitive. It’s important to note that most of these voters are not full-on atheists espousing intense opposition to religion on principle, but agnostic or “nothing in particular.”*

Why did this shift happen? In their book American Grace, sociologists David Campbell and Robert Putnam argue that the rising number of “nones” and their increasing Democratic tilt are a reaction to the Republican Party’s tightening alignment with Christian conservatives since the 1980s. In one recent example, a 2012 Pew Research Center poll found two in three religiously unaffiliated Americans agreeing that religious conservatives have too much control over the Republican Party.

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According to CPAC’s spokeswoman, Meghan Snyder, Silverman, in a conversation with her about his comments, pledged to attack the very idea that Christianity is an important element of conservatism. Snyder adds: “People of any faith tradition should not be attacked for their beliefs, especially at our conference. He has left us with no choice but to return his money.”

So what exactly is the controversy here? Why should the country’s chief conservative conference welcome a group that is not conservative and is antagonistic towards many conservatives’ belief systems? And as for the idea of an embracing “big tent,” should CPAC open up shop to gun-control groups, too, under that big tent?

America is grappling to define conservatism. In a movement that once combated “amnesty, abortion, and acid,” nowadays (a) one cannot throw a rock without hitting a GOP politico pushing for amnesty for illegal immigrants, (b) a not-insignificant chunk of conservatives in private shrug over abortion, and (c) drug legalization makes immense headway. So while a big-tent philosophy welcoming of respectful atheists and agnostics is certainly the right course, make no mistake: If no tenet of conservatism will survive the night, let the movement at least — while welcoming non-believers — treasure and respect the faithful.

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Many CPAC attendees believe in God. Inviting a non-conservative group that thinks the God-believers are all idiots in need of “enlightenment” makes little sense to me. Put it this way. Most conservatives believe in limited government. Some believe in big government. I think such people are wrong but should be allowed to make their case — because they share a common desire to advance the conservative cause. But there are lots of non-conservatives who also believe in big government to advance the liberal cause. Should they be allowed to attend CPAC, just because their belief in big government is shared by a few conservatives? Should there be a Fabian Socialist booth?

As for Charlie’s position, this is a very old argument on the right and around here. I think it was Bill Buckley who said — amidst a discussion of Ayn Rand — that one didn’t need to be religious or a believer to be conservative, but one needed to have respect for the religious or “the transcendent.” I can’t find the exact quote. This standard put Rand outside the ranks of conservatism, by Bill’s lights. But it leaves plenty of room for people like Charlie, I think. I know plenty of good conservatives who are atheists or agnostics. But because they are conservatives, they understand that simply throwing the bleach of militant atheism on culture, custom, and tradition to dissolve any hint of God or religion would be folly.

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Here is an eye-opener for you: Some people wonder more about the First Mover than you or I do. Some people find scientific explanations implausible or unsatisfying.

This does not make them fools; it makes them of a different personality type than you or I.

Now, you will say they’re wrong about what they believe; I’ll say I agree with you.

But you are essentially doing the same thing a gay-hater does when he knocks him for being gay. The religious were born with a quixotic nature, a need to look beyond the tangible and mundane.

You and I weren’t.

We should no more be “proud” of this than we’re proud of our sexualities or our eye color.

***

Indeed, given the troubled waters into which American religious liberty has of late been pushed, it strikes me that conservatives ought to be courting atheists — not shunning them. I will happily take to the barricades for religious conscience rights, not least because my own security as a heretic is bound up with that of those who differ from me, and because a truly free country seeks to leave alone as many people as possible — however eccentric I might find their views or they might find mine. In my experience at least, it is Progressivism and not conservatism that is eternally hostile to variation and to individual belief, and, while we are constantly told that the opposite is the case, it is those who pride themselves on being secular who seem more likely and more keen to abridge my liberties than those who pride themselves on being religious. That I do not share the convictions of the religious by no means implies that I wish for the state to reach into their lives. Nevertheless, religious conservatives will find themselves without many friends if they allow figures such as Mr. Bozell to shoo away the few atheists who are sympathetic to their broader cause…

A great deal of the friction between atheists and conservatives seems to derive from a reasonable question. “If you don’t consider that human beings are entitled to ‘God given’ liberties,” I am often asked, “don’t you believe that the unalienable rights that you spend your days defending are merely the product of ancient legal accidents or of the one-time whims of transient majorities?” Well, no, not really. As far as I can see, the American settlement can thrive perfectly well within my worldview. God or no God, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the Declaration of Independence are all built upon centuries of English law, human experience, and British and European philosophy, and the natural law case for them stands nicely on its own. Thomas Jefferson, who penned the Declaration, was not a religious man in any broad sense but a Deist, and his use of the term “Nature’s God” in laying out the framework for the new country was no accident. Jefferson was by no means an “atheist” — at least not in any modern sense: He believed in the moral teachings of Jesus; his work owed a great debt to the culture of toleration that English Protestantism had fostered; and, like almost all 18th-century thinkers, he believed in a prime mover. Nevertheless, he ultimately rejected the truth claims of revealed religion (and the Divine Right of Kings that he believed such a position inevitably yielded) and he relied instead on a “Creator” who looked like the God of Deism and not of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob…

“Of the nature of this being,” Jefferson wrote to John Adams in 1817, “we know nothing.” Neither do I. Indeed, I do not believe that there is a “being” at all. And yet one can reasonably easily take Jefferson’s example and, without having to have an answer as to what created the world, merely rely upon the same sources as he did — upon Locke and Newton and Cicero and Bacon and, ultimately, upon one’s own human reason. From this, one can argue that the properties of the universe suggest self-ownership, that this self-ownership yields certain rights that should be held to be unalienable, and that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. After all, that’s what we’re all fighting for. Right?

***

From September 2013.


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Paul said in the letter that Doctors for America has ties with the “left-leaning think tank” Center for American Progress and has worked closely with Organizing for America.

“I have outstanding questions about who is funding these organizations,” said the senator. “And it is clear that more transparency is needed from a group whose influence frequently impacts appointment in the Obama administration.”

The Post reported that Murthy pushed for stiffer gun controls in a Twitter message, claiming that that firearms safety was an issue of public health. The tweet said, “Tired of politicians playing politics w/ guns, putting lives at risk b/c they’re scared of NRA. Guns are health care issue #debatehealth.”

Schadenfreude on February 27, 2014 at 11:39 PM

She’s a nice lady.

Lanceman on February 27, 2014 at 11:35 PM

Yes she is.

KCB on February 27, 2014 at 11:38 PM

Aw, shucks…y’all are making me blush!

Newtie and the Beauty on February 27, 2014 at 11:39 PM

Communists run the land, into the ground.

Paul wrote, “The majority of Dr. Murthy’s non-clinical experience is in political advocacy. Historically, the surgeon general of the United States has been a position with the purpose of educating Americans so that they may lead healthier lives, rather than advancing a political agenda.”

“Dr. Murthy has disqualified himself from being surgeon general because of his intent to use that position to launch an attack on American’s rights to own a firearm under the guise of a public health and safety campaign.”

At a confirmation hearing earlier this month, Murthy insisted that his stance on gun controls would not be an issue if he was approved to take over from acting Surgeon General Boris Lushniak, who stepped in when Regina Benjamin resigned in July.

“I do not intend to use my office as surgeon general as a bully pulpit on gun control,” said Murthy.

Paul is unlikely to prevent Murthy’s nomination because of the new filibuster rules which would mean that the Senate can vote on his nomination despite the senator’s objections, the Post added.

Schadenfreude on February 27, 2014 at 11:39 PM

Newtie is CL’s friend. So she’s good people. :)

22044 on February 27, 2014 at 11:39 PM

You two sound like Rusty Warren fans…

Newtie and the Beauty on February 27, 2014 at 11:37 PM

A true pioneer!

KCB on February 27, 2014 at 11:40 PM

But always I thought ‘lobbying with signs’ at any political gathering is “par for the coarse”.

listens2glenn on February 27, 2014 at 11:31 PM

See the item on the kids being forbidden from wearing American flag t-shirts. Accommodation isn’t universal by any stretch of the imagination.

wolfsDad on February 27, 2014 at 11:40 PM

My memory of American Atheists – about 20 years ago, they had a show on Friday nights on a public access channel. MMO was the host. Before she disappeared.

22044 on February 27, 2014 at 11:42 PM

Lanceman on February 27, 2014 at 10:57 PM

Her name certainly fits.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 27, 2014 at 10:59 PM

Why yes it does fit. But as non Christian I don’t expect you to understand Christ’s parable at the one lost sheep, which is where my username comes from. Unless you’ve decided to be a Christian this week, you change you’re religion the way most people change their underwear.

onesheep on February 27, 2014 at 11:49 PM

OmahaConservative on February 27, 2014 at 11:00 PM

Me too. Where were you last night? You missed everyone beating up on HillArewe.

Doc Holliday on February 27, 2014 at 11:03 PM

I went to bed early…

OmahaConservative on February 27, 2014 at 11:49 PM

onesheep on February 27, 2014 at 11:49 PM

Sounds like Barb nailed it this time.

KCB on February 27, 2014 at 11:51 PM

onesheep on February 27, 2014 at 11:49 PM

Beat it, Peggy, lest I post your home address here.

Lanceman on February 27, 2014 at 11:52 PM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on February 27, 2014 at 11:53 PM

Lanceman on February 27, 2014 at 11:52 PM

Rut-roh…

Newtie and the Beauty on February 27, 2014 at 11:53 PM

the fastest growing … religious demographic in the country

So sick of the word “demographic”.

WAR….Cisco Kid

kcewa on February 27, 2014 at 11:53 PM

Next time, I’ll add a disclaimer, just for you ;-)

Newtie and the Beauty on February 27, 2014 at 11:31 PM

No need. I don’t mind the names of the hurl-inducing thugs…it motivates me.

———–
DOC, the SG nominee is a disgusting pick.

Schadenfreude on February 27, 2014 at 11:54 PM

Dire Straits on February 27, 2014 at 11:53 PM

Howdy!

Newtie and the Beauty on February 27, 2014 at 11:54 PM

Rut-roh…

Newtie and the Beauty on February 27, 2014 at 11:53 PM

Not to worry. Last time I posted a troll’s personal info, it was nearly the end of the ol’ Lanceman. She’s safe.

Lanceman on February 27, 2014 at 11:55 PM

Lanceman on February 27, 2014 at 11:55 PM

And CUE THEME MUSIC!!

Newtie and the Beauty on February 27, 2014 at 11:55 PM

Newtie and the Beauty on February 27, 2014 at 11:54 PM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on February 27, 2014 at 11:55 PM

Schadenfreude on February 27, 2014 at 11:33 PM

Yep, I’ve said it before. If any doctor asks you such questions, baffle ‘em with BS, or just say no. And train your kids, too. Explain the reasoning to them as well–kids understand when someone is asking inappropriate questions much earlier than you might think.

Doc Holliday on February 27, 2014 at 11:56 PM

Wood eevening..

Lanceman on February 27, 2014 at 11:56 PM

OC, last night I trapped the HILLofbeans one into hating on a “Hillary/Brewer — 2016″ ticket, only to agitate for Hillary a minute later. The rest is in rogerb’s repository, for later.

God, the gnats are stupid.

Schadenfreude on February 27, 2014 at 11:56 PM

Lanceman on February 27, 2014 at 11:56 PM

Wood Evening…</a.

Newtie and the Beauty on February 27, 2014 at 11:58 PM

And so concludes today’s TEA anniversary! For your listening pleasure.

Bmore on February 27, 2014 at 11:58 PM

Lanceman on February 27, 2014 at 11:56 PM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on February 27, 2014 at 11:59 PM

Doc Holliday on February 27, 2014 at 11:56 PM

Never EVER underestimate the power of kids!

Newtie and the Beauty on February 27, 2014 at 11:59 PM

hello…

War – Low Rider

kcewa on February 27, 2014 at 11:59 PM

OC, last night I trapped the HILLofbeans one into hating on a “Hillary/Brewer — 2016″ ticket, only to agitate for Hillary a minute later. The rest is in rogerb’s repository, for later.

God, the gnats are stupid.

Schadenfreude on February 27, 2014 at 11:56 PM

She wasn’t trapped. She’s one of those OFA types that’s here to disrupt. Nothing more. Figured that out from her contradictions.

Lanceman on February 27, 2014 at 11:59 PM

Bmore on February 27, 2014 at 11:58 PM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on February 28, 2014 at 12:00 AM

kcewa on February 27, 2014 at 11:53 PM

Great choice, KC!

Newtie and the Beauty on February 28, 2014 at 12:00 AM

For crying out loud. If you’re conservative, why do you have to further define yourself as an atheist conservative or a gay conservative or religious conservative etc… Who cares?

If you have to threaten a group to gain entrance, you don’t belong.

Vince on February 27, 2014 at 11:22 PM

Johnny Lee – Looking For Love

non-nonpartisan on February 28, 2014 at 12:00 AM

“If you listen to the media, if you listen to Democrats — although I repeat myself — they will say the fight to stop Obamacare did not succeed,” said Cruz, who pushed to defund the president’s signature health care law in a fight that led to a government shutdown last fall.

“Really?” Cruz said. “Well, I’m a big believer the proof is in the pudding. Last fall, millions of Americans rose up and said, ‘Stop the disaster that is Obamacare.’ … We elevated the national debate of the incredible harms Obamacare is visiting on millions of Americans.”

The polls are dire tonight for the rats. Will be discussed here, likely, tomorrow.

Schadenfreude on February 28, 2014 at 12:01 AM

Dire…

KCB on February 28, 2014 at 12:02 AM

Lanceman on February 27, 2014 at 11:59 PM

Pretty much agree with that..Definitely has the “talking points” down for sure..:)

Dire Straits on February 28, 2014 at 12:02 AM

onesheep on February 27, 2014 at 11:49 PM

Beat it, Peggy, lest I post your home address here.

Lanceman on February 27, 2014 at 11:52 PM

Do what you want, you don’t bother me or scare me.

onesheep on February 28, 2014 at 12:02 AM

Dire Straits on February 28, 2014 at 12:00 AM

Evening Dire! How is all? ; )

Bmore on February 28, 2014 at 12:03 AM

KCB on February 28, 2014 at 12:02 AM

Nooorrrrrrmmmmm!..:)

PS..Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on February 28, 2014 at 12:03 AM

Never EVER underestimate the power of kids!

Newtie and the Beauty on February 27, 2014 at 11:59 PM

Yep, and this would be an excellent time to discuss the Constitution, limits on government power, and the necessity of vigilance against tyrants and tyranny, even the kind projected through people who want to “care” for you. And of course to teach them about firearms and their role in protecting all other freedoms.

Doc Holliday on February 28, 2014 at 12:03 AM

Bmore on February 28, 2014 at 12:03 AM

All is well..Hope your family is doing well..:)

Dire Straits on February 28, 2014 at 12:03 AM

Beat it, Peggy, lest I post your home address here.

Lanceman on February 27, 2014 at 11:52 PM

Wow….no wonder MM sold this place. What a bunch of low rent trash.

NativeTexan on February 28, 2014 at 12:03 AM

Dire Straits on February 28, 2014 at 12:02 AM

Exactly. Give me a nice Pickles or a brushingmyhair any day. Hell, even one more sheep.

Lanceman on February 28, 2014 at 12:03 AM

Non-item

Speaking to reporters after his speech at a Hyatt Regency hotel near the Capitol, Cruz declined to get into specifics about a recent flap in the Kansas Senate Republican primary, in which Sen. Pat Roberts’ challenger, a doctor named Milton Wolf, came under scrutiny for posting and joking about X-rays on Facebook.

Schadenfreude on February 28, 2014 at 12:04 AM

Wow….no wonder MM sold this place. What a bunch of low rent trash.

NativeTexan on February 28, 2014 at 12:03 AM

Well! I never!

Lanceman on February 28, 2014 at 12:04 AM

NativeTexan on February 28, 2014 at 12:03 AM

I thought of you…

Newtie and the Beauty on February 28, 2014 at 12:04 AM

Caution! Contains Texas eye candy..

KCB on February 28, 2014 at 12:05 AM

Do what you want, you don’t bother me or scare me.

onesheep on February 28, 2014 at 12:02 AM

Watch it, old lady, lest I close my hand….

And wish you into the cornfield.

Lanceman on February 28, 2014 at 12:06 AM

Beat it, Peggy, lest I post your home address here.

Lanceman on February 27, 2014 at 11:52 PM

Wow….no wonder MM sold this place. What a bunch of low rent trash.

NativeTexan on February 28, 2014 at 12:03 AM

Exactly, they try to run off anyone who doesn’t agree with them. I’ve been here for years, I’ve watched it happen over and over again. Not in their clique, they try to get rid of you. Of course posting my address, I could just inform the police and HA would not be happy.

onesheep on February 28, 2014 at 12:07 AM

Big bunch of pusses better man up quick.

Mass conflaguration is right around the corner, again.

You tell me what generations of my family have fought for.

wolly4321 on February 27, 2014 at 11:31 PM

.
They fought for life, liberty and the pursuit (not a guarantee) of happiness.

They fought to keep the wolves and the darkness as far from their loved ones as possible.

They fought for rights of the family I know that home schools their children to insure they are taught right from wrong.

They fought so young men I know who are serving in the military today still had a country and Constitution to defend.

They fought to create a country that has done more for the betterment of the human race than any other civilization in the history of the world.

Mass conflagration is ALWAYS right around the corner. It has been for my entire life. It was for your grandfather’s life as well. He was a student of history so he knew peace is only as strong as the will of those willing to fight for what is right.

Our current mess is the just the latest of an endless cycle.

One nation rises up to prominence through a variety of factors.

Prominence leads to accumulation of real wealth.

Real wealth leads to concentration of wealth … which leads to the nation deluding itself that “this time is different – this time we can eliminate poverty, hunger, failure, war, what have you by just throwing our wealth at it.”

But poverty, hunger, failure and war do not spring from “economic inequality”, they spring from bad values, bad decisions and bad judgements made by individuals AND their society.

We stand on the brink of an abyss … and, absent a miracle, I expect the world to fall into it.

I wish it wasn’t the case but I do know ONE thing to be absolutely true.

But for the sacrifices and efforts of those who have fought for what THIS country stands for – it would be much deeper and more deadly than what we currently face.

PolAgnostic on February 28, 2014 at 12:08 AM

onesheep on February 28, 2014 at 12:07 AM

Came with the HTML blah blah blah…

Newtie and the Beauty on February 28, 2014 at 12:08 AM

Wood Evening…</a.

Newtie and the Beauty on February 27, 2014 at 11:58 PM

I don’t get it…looks like good acting to me.

kcewa on February 28, 2014 at 12:08 AM

kcewa on February 28, 2014 at 12:08 AM

The sheriff kills me :P

Newtie and the Beauty on February 28, 2014 at 12:09 AM

Sigh…now I remember why I hang out at the HQ.

NativeTexan on February 28, 2014 at 12:09 AM

Being a false idol…It’s a lot of pressure.

*snicker*

workingclass artist on February 27, 2014 at 11:25 PM

lol I guess we can be thankful that American Atheists aren’t a gay group as well? So much pain in the their little world. Like onesheep’s.

non-nonpartisan on February 28, 2014 at 12:09 AM

Sigh…now I remember why I hang out at the HQ.

NativeTexan on February 28, 2014 at 12:09 AM

Better class of people?

onesheep on February 28, 2014 at 12:10 AM

NativeTexan

Lemme guess: Austin.

Lanceman on February 28, 2014 at 12:10 AM

NativeTexan on February 28, 2014 at 12:09 AM

Why are you here?

Bmore on February 28, 2014 at 12:10 AM

NativeTexan

Lemme guess: Austin.

Lanceman on February 28, 2014 at 12:10 AM

Oh shit, please not you too, Michelle.

Lanceman on February 28, 2014 at 12:12 AM

Sigh…now I remember why I hang out at the HQ.

NativeTexan on February 28, 2014 at 12:09 AM

Come in spewing insults and not being polite and you deserve what you get.

Now GIT!

Newtie and the Beauty on February 28, 2014 at 12:13 AM

Sigh…now I remember why I hang out at the HQ.

NativeTexan on February 28, 2014 at 12:09 AM

May I show you to the door?

KCB on February 28, 2014 at 12:13 AM

Wow….no wonder MM sold this place. What a bunch of low rent trash.

NativeTexan on February 28, 2014 at 12:03 AM

True. We need some discipline.

kcewa on February 28, 2014 at 12:13 AM

Why are you here?

Bmore on February 28, 2014 at 12:10 AM

Didn’t realize it was a closed group. I read the articles and generally see some thoughtful comments. In other words, I fell for the sales pitch and didn’t notice that the civility and intelligence were rather thin.

NativeTexan on February 28, 2014 at 12:14 AM

May I show you to the door?

KCB on February 28, 2014 at 12:13 AM

Come on now KCB. Wheres your hospitality? I say let invite him in. Though I must confess, I’m not sure yet why he’s here.

Bmore on February 28, 2014 at 12:15 AM

I fell for the sales pitch and didn’t notice that the civility and intelligence were rather thin.

NativeTexan on February 28, 2014 at 12:14 AM

You aren’t doing a hell of a lot to fatten it up.

KCB on February 28, 2014 at 12:16 AM

I fell for the sales pitch and didn’t notice that the civility and intelligence were rather thin.

NativeTexan on February 28, 2014 at 12:14 AM

See, when you follow Upinak’s advice and attack Antwerp (onesheep, not you), this is what happens. Why one would get their kicks out of doing that is beyond me.

Lanceman on February 28, 2014 at 12:17 AM

Why are you here?

Bmore on February 28, 2014 at 12:10 AM

Didn’t realize it was a closed group. I read the articles and generally see some thoughtful comments. In other words, I fell for the sales pitch and didn’t notice that the civility and intelligence were rather thin.

NativeTexan on February 28, 2014 at 12:14 AM

More like lacking but it’s only a small clique, others are much more intelligent and quite civil. They also don’t lie or deceive. ;)

onesheep on February 28, 2014 at 12:17 AM

Come on now KCB. Wheres your hospitality?

I said “May I?”

KCB on February 28, 2014 at 12:17 AM

Oh shit, please not you too, Michelle.

Lanceman on February 28, 2014 at 12:12 AM

Very good, Sherlock.

How’s Uncle doing?

Please not me too, what?

NativeTexan on February 28, 2014 at 12:17 AM

NativeTexan on February 28, 2014 at 12:14 AM

Yep…Austin.

Newtie and the Beauty on February 28, 2014 at 12:17 AM

I’m not sure yet why he’s here.

Bmore on February 28, 2014 at 12:15 AM

She. Both of them.

Lanceman on February 28, 2014 at 12:17 AM

Yep…Austin.

Newtie and the Beauty on February 28, 2014 at 12:17 AM

I am broadcasting live from Austin, so that is no excuse.

KCB on February 28, 2014 at 12:18 AM

NativeTexan on February 28, 2014 at 12:14 AM

Well you are quite welcomed at least by me to come on in and sit a spell. Been a good long day. Just relaxing a wee bit, myself. For what its worth I’m not much on closed groups myself. This palce has always been open season so to speak. ; )

Bmore on February 28, 2014 at 12:18 AM

onesheep on February 28, 2014 at 12:07 AM

He was kidding. Relax, have a drink at the bar.

Schadenfreude on February 28, 2014 at 12:18 AM

place, sorry, its late. ; )

Bmore on February 28, 2014 at 12:18 AM

Wow….no wonder MM sold this place. What a bunch of low rent trash.

NativeTexan on February 28, 2014 at 12:03 AM

and yet, Here you are….

And I must object, I am distinctly HIGH rent trash.

Doc Holliday on February 28, 2014 at 12:19 AM

How’s Uncle doing?

NativeTexan on February 28, 2014 at 12:17 AM

Damfino.

Lanceman on February 28, 2014 at 12:20 AM

I fell for the sales pitch and didn’t notice that the civility and intelligence were rather thin.

NativeTexan on February 28, 2014 at 12:14 AM

See, when you follow Upinak’s advice and attack Antwerp (onesheep, not you), this is what happens. Why one would get their kicks out of doing that is beyond me.

Lanceman on February 28, 2014 at 12:17 AM

At least nobody could ever accuse you of being intelligent or bright since you couldn’t be more wrong. I happen to hate deceit and lies and the twit, an admitted self-diagnosed asspie gives a bad name to friends and relatives clinically diagnosed with aspergers. I don’t attack her, I just point out the truth when she lies. Which is just about everything she posts.

onesheep on February 28, 2014 at 12:20 AM

Whiners, from the left and the right, it always escapes you that you practice that which you loathe.

Schadenfreude on February 28, 2014 at 12:20 AM

More like lacking but it’s only a small clique, others are much more intelligent and quite civil. They also don’t lie or deceive. ;)

onesheep on February 28, 2014 at 12:17 AM

There’s nothing like getting lectures about civility and intelligence from whiny stalkers.

non-nonpartisan on February 28, 2014 at 12:20 AM

*”Heard you GOT an infection……”

williamg on February 28, 2014 at 12:20 AM

Whiners, from the left and the right, it always escapes you that you practice that which you loathe.

Schadenfreude on February 28, 2014 at 12:20 AM

There’s nothing like getting lectures about civility and intelligence from whiny stalkers.

non-nonpartisan on February 28, 2014 at 12:20 AM

Same time stamp, but I said it first :)

Schadenfreude on February 28, 2014 at 12:21 AM

KCB on February 28, 2014 at 12:18 AM

You don’t have the ‘tude, Ken. For that, you’re forgiven ;-)

Newtie and the Beauty on February 28, 2014 at 12:21 AM

NativeTexan

Wendy Davis, is that you?

22044 on February 28, 2014 at 12:21 AM

But always I thought ‘lobbying with signs’ at any political gathering is “par for the coarse”.

listens2glenn on February 27, 2014 at 11:31 PM

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See the item on the kids being forbidden from wearing American flag t-shirts.

wolfsDad on February 27, 2014 at 11:40 PM

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I did … even got a comment on that thread.
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Accommodation isn’t universal by any stretch of the imagination.

wolfsDad on February 27, 2014 at 11:40 PM

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Okay . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ? ? ?

You’ve still got me wondering what kind of “bad impression” I must have given you.

listens2glenn on February 28, 2014 at 12:21 AM

More like lacking but it’s only a small clique, others are much more intelligent and quite civil. They also don’t lie or deceive. ;)

onesheep on February 28, 2014 at 12:17 AM

There’s nothing like getting lectures about civility and intelligence from whiny stalkers.

non-nonpartisan on February 28, 2014 at 12:20 AM

Perhaps you should stop whining and then you won’t have to worry about it.

onesheep on February 28, 2014 at 12:22 AM

I don’t attack her, I just point out the truth when she lies. Which is just about everything she posts.

onesheep on February 28, 2014 at 12:20 AM

OK. You’ve pointed that out. We are all now aware.

You finished?

Lanceman on February 28, 2014 at 12:22 AM

Lanceman on February 28, 2014 at 12:17 AM

Oh.

NativeTexan on February 28, 2014 at 12:17 AM

My apologies Ma’am. I swing by HQ every so often. Not as much these days. All is well there I trust.

Bmore on February 28, 2014 at 12:22 AM

Wow….no wonder MM sold this place. What a bunch of low rent trash.

NativeTexan on February 28, 2014 at 12:03 AM

Chris Matthews – ist that you?

Colbert?

Stewart?

williamg on February 28, 2014 at 12:23 AM

OK…now it’s time to get serious

I need a woman ’bout twice my age
A lady of nobility, gentility and rage

kcewa on February 28, 2014 at 12:23 AM

onesheep on February 28, 2014 at 12:20 AM

Well, ain’t you a right ray of sunshine…

Newtie and the Beauty on February 28, 2014 at 12:23 AM

Wendy Davis, is that you?

22044 on February 28, 2014 at 12:21 AM

Wendy’s not a native, she’s a carpet bagger like someone else around here.

And I like my babies born alive, TYVM

NativeTexan on February 28, 2014 at 12:23 AM

Same time stamp, but I said it first :)

Schadenfreude on February 28, 2014 at 12:21 AM

The HotAir time machine played a role here. :)

non-nonpartisan on February 28, 2014 at 12:24 AM

More like lacking but it’s only a small clique, others are much more intelligent and quite civil. They also don’t lie or deceive. ;)

onesheep on February 28, 2014 at 12:17 AM

They also don’t hide behind their socks.

RickB on February 28, 2014 at 12:25 AM

NativeTexan on February 28, 2014 at 12:23 AM

War – Why Can’t We Be Friends

Newtie and the Beauty on February 28, 2014 at 12:25 AM

Well, ain’t you a right ray of sunshine…

Newtie and the Beauty on February 28, 2014 at 12:23 AM

She’s a nice old bat. UH, LADY!

Lanceman on February 28, 2014 at 12:25 AM

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