Hillary Clinton aims for middle of ObamaCare debate

posted at 9:21 am on February 27, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

For those of us who oppose ObamaCare both on principle and on practical considerations, repeal is the only possible fix we can see.  For those who support ObamaCare on principle, the only path is to allow it to roll out completely so its benefits can be fully seen — although it’s worth pointing out that even the law’s originators in the White House apparently don’t agree, since they keep unilaterally delaying full implementation as the law creates more political disasters. Polling shows that the electorate is somewhere in the middle, with a plurality or thin majority wanting fixes now within the framework of ObamaCare to make it better. That includes today’s CBS/NYT poll, although the difference between fix and repeal is getting narrow.

Hillary Clinton took aim at that middle ground today. In remarks made to a health-care group in Florida, the presumptive 2016 presidential candidate acknowledged that the law has run off the rails in part, but that Washington should fix those rather than starting over from scratch:

Hillary Clinton backed efforts to alter Obamacare on Wednesday, but also used her remarks to a health care group in Florida to offer a full defense of the sweeping and controversial law.

“I think we are on the right track in many respects but I would be the first to say if things aren’t working then we need people of good faith to come together and make evidence-based changes,” the former secretary of state and possible 2016 presidential candidate said.

We hear this a lot, but when asked for details from ObamaCare activists about the failures that need correcting, we usually get the talking points about what they thought was bad about the status quo ante. Hillary, though, conceded that the impact of the law on full-time working status and on small businesses needed to be addressed, even though she described the latter as “small business of 50 or more” employees, which would include all businesses that fall under the mandate. (Small businesses with less than 50 employees are not required to provide coverage.)

So what’s working right about ObamaCare? Er …

Clinton also singled out certain provisions of the health care law as successful. The former first lady said she supported children under 26 being able to remain on their parents’ health plans and that Obamacare allows more people access to preventive care.

The first change hardly required a national takeover of the insurance industry to accomplish, even though it’s still of dubious value. In an economy that actually produced above-population-growth job creation, young adults would have an easier time of getting their own insurance rather than making Mom & Dad responsible for their upkeep well into adulthood. Access to preventive care was not a big issue, either; everyone had access to it with or without health insurance, and as the premium spikes in the last few months demonstrate, they don’t come free either way.

What’s missing from Hillary’s list of ObamaCare wins? Oh, items like bending the cost curve downward, insuring the uninsured, and if you like your plan/doctor, you can keep your plan/doctor. The first two were supposedly the primary reason that health-care reform had to take the form of a government takeover of the entire system and forced participation. The third was the promise that a government takeover of the entire system would have no impact on the 85% of Americans who were already insured, with 87% of those satisfied with their health care. Instead, ObamaCare has made the system unstable, more expensive, and made many Americans less able to keep their current providers while seeing more money come out of their pockets for plans they didn’t want.

We can talk about mending it instead of ending it, but there simply is no mending it. What’s broken is the system itself, because it’s based on the idea that government can competently run a command economy. That’s what needs to be “mended.” By 2016, most Americans will have personal experience with the endemic failure of a command health-care economy, and Hillary will have to find a new position.


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She is clueless…

OmahaConservative on February 27, 2014 at 9:23 AM

I can hear her say I inherited yada yada yada

cmsinaz on February 27, 2014 at 9:24 AM

Don’t blame me blame the gop for not fixing it
-hillary during campaign season

Blame the gop will continue to be the mantra

cmsinaz on February 27, 2014 at 9:26 AM

Is the middle ground where you make stories up about being shot at to burnish one’s non-existent foreign policy credentials?

Flange on February 27, 2014 at 9:27 AM

Clinton also singled out certain provisions of the health care law as successful. The former first lady said she supported children under 26 being able to remain on their parents’ health plans and that Obamacare allows more people access to preventive care.

No different from Cantor-like Republicans who state “Well we LIKE the ‘no preexisting conditions’ clause. We’ll keep that.”

Marcus on February 27, 2014 at 9:27 AM

So her bright idea is to have the national brain trust which created and implemented an epic policy disaster be the ones to “fix” it.

Pure genius, I say, thank Gaia Killary is ostensibly a woman so I can feel good voting for her regardless of her vapidity.

Bishop on February 27, 2014 at 9:27 AM

By 2016, most Americans will have personal experience with the endemic failure of a command health-care economy, and Hillary will have to find a new position.

If 2012 has taught me anything its that she will be “promoted” to her new position as President of the United States.

Yeah, I really do think the voting population is that foolish.

Gatsu on February 27, 2014 at 9:28 AM

Triangulation… where have I heard that before?

She is not the political savant that Bill is. This isn’t going to be nearly as easy for her to pull off.

h a p f a t on February 27, 2014 at 9:32 AM

We can talk about mending it instead of ending it, but there simply is no mending it. What’s broken is the system itself,

Is HA really launching the 2016 war on women this early? Because, you know, any criticism of the pig-in-a-pantsuit over Obamacare, Benghazi, or any other issue will ultimately be chalked up to mysogyny.

Besides what difference, at this point, does it make?

Happy Nomad on February 27, 2014 at 9:32 AM

Just like her boy Zero- talks a lot but says nothing.

Royal Fizzbin on February 27, 2014 at 9:32 AM

No different from Cantor-like Republicans who state “Well we LIKE the ‘no preexisting conditions’ clause. We’ll keep that.”

Marcus on February 27, 2014 at 9:27 AM

No pre-existing conditions polls well. The only problem is that you can’t have that provision without also having an individual mandate. That doesn’t poll nearly as well.

Happy Nomad on February 27, 2014 at 9:33 AM

Sad to say but you maybe right gatsu

cmsinaz on February 27, 2014 at 9:33 AM

“I think we are on the right track in many respects but I would be the first to say if things aren’t working then we need people of good faith to come together and make evidence-based changes,” the former secretary of state and possible 2016 presidential candidate said.

It depends on what the meaning of the word ‘if’ is.

Flora Duh on February 27, 2014 at 9:34 AM

Is the middle ground where you make stories up about being shot at to burnish one’s non-existent foreign policy credentials?

Flange on February 27, 2014 at 9:27 AM

Cut the woman some slack. It must have been traumatic going through the first three years of her life called “the girl.”

Happy Nomad on February 27, 2014 at 9:35 AM

What a craphole this country is going to be by 2024.

tdarrington on February 27, 2014 at 9:35 AM

It must have been traumatic going through the first three years of her life called “the girl.”

Happy Nomad on February 27, 2014 at 9:35 AM

That was just her parents trying to convince themselves of that.

Flange on February 27, 2014 at 9:40 AM

Is this the “official” Gay Thread?

ToddPA on February 27, 2014 at 9:40 AM

By 2016, most Americans will have personal experience with the endemic failure of a command health-care economy, and Hillary will have to find a new position.

She’ll probably try to have it both ways. Defending Obamacare as a success while simultaneously claiming it needs major fixes. I can’t wait to hear her position on bailouts for insurance companies.

Doughboy on February 27, 2014 at 9:43 AM

I can’t wait to hear her position on bailouts for insurance companies.

Doughboy on February 27, 2014 at 9:43 AM

She doesn’t have positions on anything. She will say whatever makes her look best in the focus groups.

tdarrington on February 27, 2014 at 9:45 AM

Is this the “official” Gay Thread?

ToddPA on February 27, 2014 at 9:40 AM

Heh…

OmahaConservative on February 27, 2014 at 9:45 AM

To All:

Anyone have an idea of what they’ll do when Hillary is President? I’m trying to get myself used to the idea early. Expect the worse kind of thing

TexasJack on February 27, 2014 at 9:49 AM

The Uninsured Are Turning Against Obamacare. That’s A Problem

The Obama administration is running into a somewhat surprising roadblock in its final push to get Americans enrolled in Obamacare ahead of the March 31 deadline: The nation’s uninsured are increasingly suspicious of the law.

Fifty-six percent of those who identified as uninsured in a new poll conducted in February by the Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation, a research institution, had an unfavorable view of the health care reform law, compared to just 22 percent who said they view it favorably. The uninsured now see Obamacare less favorably than they did when the enrollment period began in October. As recently as September, more uninsured approved of the law than disapproved.

Flora Duh on February 27, 2014 at 9:49 AM

TexasJack on February 27, 2014 at 9:49 AM

I’m moving to texas in June. It’s a start…

tdarrington on February 27, 2014 at 9:50 AM

Anyone have an idea of what they’ll do when Hillary is President? I’m trying to get myself used to the idea early. Expect the worse kind of thing

TexasJack on February 27, 2014 at 9:49 AM

She will continue 0bama’s destruction of the country…

OmahaConservative on February 27, 2014 at 9:51 AM

She is clueless…

OmahaConservative on February 27, 2014 at 9:23 AM

‘Clueless’ in that Hillary actually cares about fixing the problem and is going to develop any real solutions. But she’s savvy is recognizing early on that for the swing voters in 2016, she cannot run entirely as Obama’s third term.

Even with a campaign destined to run the “War on Women” theme into the ground, and with a media all geared up to give her some of the same quasi God-like powers due to her historic first-woman-president position as they gave Obama just by potentially being the first black president, Obama was running with a Republican in the White House and could go all-out against the status quo. Hillary can’t do that, but she knows she has to indicate to the swing voters she’s not happy as a clam about everything the administration’s doing.

So she’s focusing on Obama’s currently least-popular problem and working on developing key buzzwords that are designed to fool the low-information voters into thinking she’s going to change ObamaCare, but which will be a wink and a nod to the key Democratic special interest groups that it’s all talk and little or no action (if there are any changes, it would simply be to push plans that in the end would favor groups like unionized businesses, who already have union officials wailing about the law and demanding that Obama treat them differently from everyone else).

jon1979 on February 27, 2014 at 9:52 AM

A Billary Prez would be More of the Same, except by the middle of her second term, we would be blessed by a gummint single payer system – Hillarycare (sound familiar?). But, we will have been blessed with the first female President, assuming of course that ‘she’ is, indeed, female…

vnvet on February 27, 2014 at 9:54 AM

It must have been traumatic going through the first three years of her life called “the girl.”

Happy Nomad on February 27, 2014 at 9:35 AM

That was just her parents trying to convince themselves of that.

Flange on February 27, 2014 at 9:40 AM

And obscure New Zealand beekeeper Ed Hillary was unavailable for comment. He was an absolute unknown at the time she was born, but she later claimed that she was named after him anyway!

Del Dolemonte on February 27, 2014 at 9:55 AM

Great point jon

cmsinaz on February 27, 2014 at 9:58 AM

vnvet on February 27, 2014 at 9:54 AM

I expect we will be at single payer well before she is ever elected…

OmahaConservative on February 27, 2014 at 10:01 AM

Awful picture of Clintonová.

By 2016, most Americans will have personal experience with the endemic failure of a command health-care economy, and Hillary will have to find a new position.

Americans are too lazy and incurious to sift through the situation and too stupid to recognize a charlatan. When Clintonová says she’ll fix the problem, people will breathe a sigh of relief, then hit the D-levers/fill in the D-bubbles on Election Day.

MisterElephant on February 27, 2014 at 10:08 AM

In which Hillary Clinton trumps the feckless Republicans who have been sitting with fingers up their behinds and minds in rural Idaho on this issue.

But immigration!

Where’s the strategy Boehner and McConnell? Did the dog eat it?

Marcus Traianus on February 27, 2014 at 10:11 AM

Hillary Clinton Monica Lewinsky’s Ex-boyfriend’s wife aims for middle of ObamaCare debate.
FIFY

Galtian on February 27, 2014 at 10:14 AM

Forget about “principle” or “practical” considerations. Why not simply fight Obamacare on the results of Obamacare? You can’t keep your doctor, plan, or premiums under Obamacare, it didn’t reduce costs (it actually made them go way up), and now you don’t even have access to the same medical benefits you had under your old plan. Life has actually gotten worse for most people under Obamacare, not better. And, most of all, you are now paying a lot more money in premiums and deductibles for worse medical care. What’s not to “love?”

This is the battleground on which to fight Hillary. She supported this thing, she wanted this thing, now she can strangle on her own spit on this thing. Make her own it. Obamacare was always built on lies, lies, and more lies, and now she has to be held accountable for those lies. Whoever the next Republican candidate for president is, he or she shouldn’t let Hillary get away with blaming other people for Obamacare’s failure. She was always a big booster of it, wanted it, and now she should be stuck with it. As long as you keep driving this point home, she will never be able to weasel her way out of it.

Libertyship46 on February 27, 2014 at 10:14 AM

Why not simply fight Obamacare on the results of Obamacare?

Because so much of Democrat politics comes out of batshit crazy make-believe la-la land it is difficult to fight. How do you provide a counter argument to the unexplainable? War on Women, anyone?

tdarrington on February 27, 2014 at 10:21 AM

the only path is to allow it to roll out completely so its benefits can be fully seen

That’s pretty hard to do when those in charge DO NOT collect the data on which a hard judgement can be made.

As for Hillary! – just more of that fence-sitting.

GarandFan on February 27, 2014 at 10:22 AM

To All:

Anyone have an idea of what they’ll do when Hillary is President? I’m trying to get myself used to the idea early. Expect the worse kind of thing

TexasJack on February 27, 2014 at 9:49 AM

I expect her to start work on nationalizing another industry, probably oil and natural gas. I’m sure they’re already working on it behind the scenes.

Fenris on February 27, 2014 at 10:26 AM

at what point in time has the missus Clinton ever demonstrated she has a clue about anything. Haven’t we heard about her endless listening tours when she plops down with her legal pad and claims to be listening to other’s

But like her alinsky twin, the dictator Hussein, she has proven she is convinced she is smarter then the rest of us and knows what is best for everyone

tuttle from tacoma on February 27, 2014 at 10:27 AM

…As long as you keep driving this point home, she will never be able to weasel her way out of it.

Libertyship46 on February 27, 2014 at 10:14 AM

Until Bill Clinton is made her chief (unofficial) spokesman: Biting his lip, Bill agonizes over the unfortunates who have been hurt by the ACA and Obama’s less than perfect implementation. We need a new focus on helping and caring, that’s why Hillary is introducing new legislation to…

Fenris on February 27, 2014 at 10:31 AM

To All:

Anyone have an idea of what they’ll do when Hillary is President? I’m trying to get myself used to the idea early. Expect the worse kind of thing

TexasJack on February 27, 2014 at 9:49 AM

I expect her to start work on nationalizing another industry, probably oil and natural gas. I’m sure they’re already working on it behind the scenes.

Fenris on February 27, 2014 at 10:26 AM

Couldn’t be a better rallying call for Texas to divorce.

We’ll cut a deal with Mexico…help them with their with the drug cartels…secure their border and develop their infrastructure.

workingclass artist on February 27, 2014 at 10:34 AM

I expect her to start work on nationalizing another industry, probably oil and natural gas. I’m sure they’re already working on it behind the scenes.

Fenris on February 27, 2014 at 10:26 AM

“We are in desperate need of an oil pipeline from Canada to the Gulf refineries. Industry has failed to act, so we must nationalize the oil and gas industry immediately to get this done quickly to ensure our energy independence! We can’t wait!” -President HRC

tdarrington on February 27, 2014 at 10:36 AM

“We are in desperate need of an oil pipeline from Canada to the Gulf refineries. Industry has failed to act, so we must nationalize the oil and gas industry immediately to get this done quickly to ensure our energy independence! We can’t wait!” -President HRC

tdarrington on February 27, 2014 at 10:36 AM

“Come and Take It!”

The State of Texas

workingclass artist on February 27, 2014 at 10:38 AM

workingclass artist on February 27, 2014 at 10:34 AM

Ifnthey get amnesty passed then whether a deal is cut with Mexico is almost irrelevant. Mexico wants its border secure in one direction only.

Fenris on February 27, 2014 at 10:39 AM

Finally! HillaryCare!

Tsar of Earth on February 27, 2014 at 10:42 AM

Has anyone told these people that we have film and video tape? They lie about what they have argued for and promoted in the past as if we have no memory.

As for going forward on principle…just, of course, to see how it all turns out, might I refer them (and those who agree) to the international version of that argument: Remember Neville Chamberlain, the Prime Minister of Great Britain who promised “Peace in our Time?” Think how following through on his vision and promise in the face of the obvious failure of his “vision” would have “served” England…speak German much, do you?

The sign of stupidity is falling into a hole in a street and insisting on walking down that street again and again, expecting a different result. That is what “staying the course” amounts to with this financially unsustainable and downgraded health care that will result from the disingenously named “Affordable” Health “care” bill.

TKPedersen42 on February 27, 2014 at 10:49 AM

God, she’s one ugly broad.
 
lostmotherland on February 26, 2014 at 4:09 PM

 

rogerb on February 27, 2014 at 10:55 AM

Has anyone told these people that we have film and video tape? They lie about what they have argued for and promoted in the past as if we have no memory…

TKPedersen42 on February 27, 2014 at 10:49 AM

Videos? Have you seen the latest lolcat video? I about peed my pants it was so funny. Biden is a great guy, I wish he would make cat videos. That would be epic.

Fenris on February 27, 2014 at 10:57 AM

God, she’s one ugly broad.

lostmotherland on February 26, 2014 at 4:09 PM

Schadenfreude on February 27, 2014 at 11:03 AM

To All:

Anyone have an idea of what they’ll do when Hillary is President? I’m trying to get myself used to the idea early. Expect the worse kind of thing

TexasJack on February 27, 2014 at 9:49 AM

Get what you can now before they’re made illegal. Whatever it is you imagine will be made illegal.

Bishop on February 27, 2014 at 11:03 AM

Because nationalizing industry has been so successful in Venezuela…Mexico…etc…

workingclass artist on February 27, 2014 at 11:08 AM

Hah, rogerb…just saw your comment :)

Schadenfreude on February 27, 2014 at 11:08 AM

Whew. Are we really going to have to look at that corrupt hag’s ugly mug for the next 20 years? I’ll be really tempted to emigrate. To wherever.

ddrintn on February 27, 2014 at 11:08 AM

rogerb, here’s one for your repository – I trapped this one over night, and it fell “against women like Hillary/Brewer”, but then fully tried to raise Hillary…leftists are always stupid.

Starts here

Hillary/Brewer — 2016

Schadenfreude on February 27, 2014 at 12:19 AM

And Hillary/Brewer? Gag me now! We need authentic women. Not boring fakes.

HillAREwe on February 27, 2014 at 12:21 AM

Blue, you all keep saying Hillary isn’t likeable. I’ve yet to see a Republican that is getting the excitement about running from the people.

HillAREwe on February 27, 2014 at 12:23 AM

…and it continued….

Might want to keep, for the Hillary run.

Schadenfreude on February 27, 2014 at 11:13 AM

Whew. Are we really going to have to look at that corrupt hag’s ugly mug for the next 20 years? I’ll be really tempted to emigrate. To wherever.

ddrintn on February 27, 2014 at 11:08 AM

She ain’t got 20 years left. As I said a couple of days ago, I wouldn’t be surprised if H.W. and Bar outlived Der Schliekmeister and the Hag.

Lanceman on February 27, 2014 at 11:31 AM

Is this the “official” Gay Thread?

ToddPA on February 27, 2014 at 9:40 AM

No, this is the “Gay Official” thread.

CurtZHP on February 27, 2014 at 12:16 PM

As fast as the defecrats passed Obamacare, it sure looks like they just pulled out and dusted off old copies of Hillarycare.

So, why does she have any complaints about her legislative achievement?

Ruckus_Tom on February 27, 2014 at 12:17 PM

Benghazi Hillary sounds like she is angling for the RINO vote considering that many RINO’s have been saying pretty much the same thing.

NixTyranny on February 27, 2014 at 12:34 PM

God, she’s one ugly broad.
 
lostmotherland on February 26, 2014 at 4:09 PM

 
Schadenfreude on February 27, 2014 at 11:03 AM

 
Hah, rogerb…just saw your comment :)
 
Schadenfreude on February 27, 2014 at 11:08 AM

 
I don’t think Gerry would mind.
 
War on Women, y’know.

rogerb on February 27, 2014 at 12:34 PM

God, she’s one ugly broad.

lostmotherland on February 26, 2014 at 4:09 PM

rogerb on February 27, 2014 at 10:55 AM

I have to agree with lostmofo.

slickwillie2001 on February 27, 2014 at 12:35 PM

No, this is the “Gay Official” thread.

CurtZHP on February 27, 2014 at 12:16 PM

Thanks, I was getting concerned I didn’t “Belong”

ToddPA on February 27, 2014 at 1:07 PM

It’s eff’d in a cocked hat, now way you can mend this train wreck

jake49 on February 27, 2014 at 1:07 PM

That picture reminds me, we still have a Christmas turkey in the freezer.

slickwillie2001 on February 27, 2014 at 1:58 PM

I have to agree with lostmofo.

slickwillie2001 on February 27, 2014 at 12:35 PM

Except that he said it about Gov. Brewer.

Schadenfreude on February 27, 2014 at 1:59 PM

Obamacare was sold based on lies. It is illegitmate on this basis alone without need to discuss/debate its (lack of) merits.

Repeal it because President Obama is a liar. ‘Nuff said. End of story.

exdeadhead on February 27, 2014 at 2:24 PM

Hillary Clinton… In remarks made to a health-care group in Florida, the presumptive 2016 presidential candidate acknowledged that the law has run off the rails in part…

With that Hillary now fits exactly into Harry Reid’s definition of lying and being un-American.

RJL on February 27, 2014 at 4:24 PM

This woman should get out of the limelight, she is not aging well and it looks like senility is setting in. We aready have a fool in the White House, we don’t need an idiot.

savage24 on February 27, 2014 at 4:29 PM

This woman should get out of the limelight, she is not aging well and it looks like senility is setting in. We aready have a fool in the White House, we don’t need an idiot.

savage24 on February 27, 2014 at 4:29 PM

Part of her problem is the booze as well.

slickwillie2001 on February 27, 2014 at 4:44 PM

Not to miss

Schadenfreude on February 27, 2014 at 5:03 PM

Shrillary has no right to “take aim at the middle ground” on this issue. Had she her way in 1993, before the Newt Gingrich-led Contract with America, there never could have been any such thing as ObamaCare; we would be calling it HillaryCare.

Never forget that Bill appointed her to head a group to design a socialized healthcare system that was no better in terms of being an anti-constitutional mandate against the citizenry than is ObamaCare.

Everyone vying for federal office this year must make sure that this is noted for the public. Those few who believe that ObamaCare is good and just, and even not enough, will be thrilled. The rest, a vast majority on both sides of the aisle, will be reminded that she has no better idea how to manage this monster than the current Resident.

Freelancer on February 28, 2014 at 2:35 AM

Pardon me for employing Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_health_care_plan_of_1993

All is vanity; there is nothing new under the sun.

Freelancer on February 28, 2014 at 2:41 AM