Breaking: Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer vetoes religious freedom bill

posted at 8:31 pm on February 26, 2014 by Erika Johnsen

As was increasingly expected, this evening Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer nixed Senate bill 1062, which would have allowed for a religious exemption to the state’s public accommodation laws — i.e., businesses and individuals would have had legal protection in demurring from providing goods and services to certain customers on the basis of religious objections. A.k.a., gays and lesbians. Via CNN:

Brewer said she made the decision she knew was right for her state.

“I call them as I see them, despite the cheers or the boos from the crowd,” she said, calling the bill “broadly worded” and saying it could have unintended consequences.

Brewer said she’d weighed the arguments on both sides.

“To the supporters of the legislation, I want you to know that I understand that long-held norms about marriage and family are being challenged as never before. Our society is undergoing many dramatic changes,” she said. “However, I sincerely believe that Senate Bill 1062 has the potential to create more problems than it purports to solve. It could divide Arizona in ways we cannot even imagine and no one would ever want.

“Religious liberty is a core American and Arizona value, so is non-discrimination.”

Update: Allahpundit has more coming in the QOTD, but here’s another snippet from Brewer’s rationale for the veto: Let’s get back to our priorities, shall we?

Update: Aaaaand the vid:


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gaystapo for the win.

newrouter on February 26, 2014 at 8:38 PM

Religious liberty is a core American and Arizona value,


Apparently not.

Murphy9 on February 26, 2014 at 8:38 PM

No, we mustn’t “divide.” That’s the Left’s job. They divide and blame us for being “divisive” when we try to retain whatever remains after their rapacious divisions.

rrpjr on February 26, 2014 at 8:39 PM

Dear denfenders, refute this:

History lesson time

FDRs 4 freedoms:

The first is freedom of speech and expression — everywhere in the world.

The second is freedom of every person to worship God in his own way — everywhere in the world.

The third is freedom from want — which, translated into world terms, means economic understandings which will secure to every nation a healthy peacetime life for its inhabitants — everywhere in the world.

The fourth is freedom from fear — which, translated into world terms, means a world-wide reduction of armaments to such a point and in such a thorough fashion that no nation will be in a position to commit an act of physical aggression against any neighbor– anywhere in the world.

Freedoms 2,3 and 4 are what is being argued. Freedom of worship means that your lifestyle doesn’t extent beyond your church, freedom from want means no one can deny any other service, and freedom from fear means any ill speak of gays is instilling “fear” and that must be stopped (incidentally, freedom from fear nullifies freedom 1).

ANYONE ARGUING FOR ANTI-DISCRIMINATION LAWS IS ARGUING ON BEHALF OF THESE “FREEDOMS” AND IS A STATIST!

nobar on February 25, 2014 at 11:07 PM

nobar on February 26, 2014 at 8:40 PM

The right decision.

DisneyFan on February 26, 2014 at 8:40 PM

“Religious liberty is a core American and Arizona value, so is non-discrimination.”

Except when you try to exercise your religious liberty.

Some animals are more equal than others…

Skywise on February 26, 2014 at 8:40 PM

“Religious liberty is a core American and Arizona value, so is non-discrimination.”

Meaningless weasel words from a moral coward.

Quartermaster on February 26, 2014 at 8:40 PM

The right decision.

DisneyFan on February 26, 2014 at 8:40 PM

No… it wasn’t.

Skywise on February 26, 2014 at 8:41 PM

AND REFUTE THIS:

Freedom of association necessitates that bigots must be free to be bigots. Guaranteed freedom doesn’t exist for the people who you’ll defend, it exists for those that you won’t.

nobar on February 23, 2014 at 2:06 PM

STATISTS!

nobar on February 26, 2014 at 8:41 PM

No more bad lawsuits, at least.

22044 on February 26, 2014 at 8:42 PM

BIOYA….. RINO.

viking01 on February 26, 2014 at 8:42 PM

Sodomy is now the Established “religion”.

ConstantineXI on February 26, 2014 at 8:43 PM

And on 6/13/13 Gov Brewer expanded Medicaid under Obamacare.
McCain, Flake & Brewer. My goodness,good people of Arizona!

NixTyranny on February 26, 2014 at 8:43 PM

Heres what the Christian Post says:

2. Under current Arizona law, if a business wanted to discriminate against gays, they would not need this bill to be passed to do so. It is not currently illegal for a business to deny service to someone because they are gay. Some cities in Arizona have ordinances against it but there is no state law against it. If business owners in Arizona wanted to deny service to gays, they could do so in most of the state under current law.

rrpjr on February 26, 2014 at 8:44 PM

recall

anotherJoe on February 26, 2014 at 8:45 PM

What angers me is the homosexuals started this whole thing by suing a private business because they wouldn’t provide services to their wedding. Now everyone with a business has to kiss their ……

rlwo2008 on February 26, 2014 at 8:45 PM

Enjoy your ex-lax cakes.

wolly4321 on February 26, 2014 at 8:46 PM

Eh, probably was a bit too broadly worded.

WolvenOne on February 26, 2014 at 8:46 PM

No more bad lawsuits, at least.

22044 on February 26, 2014 at 8:42 PM

Are you kidding? They’ve just started.

Skywise on February 26, 2014 at 8:47 PM

1000 comments or bust!

rbj on February 26, 2014 at 8:47 PM

Rewrite the bill stating that you are not allowed to sue if another bakery will bake your cake. Or pie.

HillC Liver Spot on February 26, 2014 at 8:48 PM

Will Juke Janet be as prompt with her resignation?

viking01 on February 26, 2014 at 8:48 PM

Obamacare has to be passed so we can find out what’s in it.

But this bill has to be vetoed because it’s too broadly worded?

God, I weep for the Republic.

Skywise on February 26, 2014 at 8:49 PM

This nation is too stupid for freedom.

NATIONAL DIVORCE! BECAUSE THE ALTERNATIVE IS WAR!

nobar on February 26, 2014 at 8:49 PM

Heres what the Christian Post says:

2. Under current Arizona law, if a business wanted to discriminate against gays, they would not need this bill to be passed to do so. It is not currently illegal for a business to deny service to someone because they are gay. Some cities in Arizona have ordinances against it but there is no state law against it. If business owners in Arizona wanted to deny service to gays, they could do so in most of the state under current law.

rrpjr on February 26, 2014 at 8:44 PM

So any lawsuit by gays would be thrown out by a judge immediately.

Dongemaharu on February 26, 2014 at 8:49 PM

She won’t/can’t run again anyway.

wolly4321 on February 26, 2014 at 8:50 PM

Snap! SOCONS bit it again. Christians behave as selfish cowards; they profess to love their mythical god more than they love their own children, all in some self-serving, futile effort to achieve a supernatural afterlife that was conceived and concocted by ancient humans. Christians dwell in a world of myth and fantasy, where they are forced to condemn science and reality in order to validate their false beliefs and superstitions. Religion is a mental illness, passed from one cursed generation to the next, condemning offspring to live a life of false promises where critical thinking is discouraged in lieu of dogmatic servitude. Manufacturing and maintaining your own false reality is one thing, but destroying your children’s minds before they achieve the ability to think critically for themselves is nothing less than an evil and insidious form of child abuse.

Bandit13 on February 26, 2014 at 8:50 PM

I am starting a “Westboro Baptist sues gay business” fund..

melle1228 on February 26, 2014 at 8:52 PM

Snap! SOCONS bit it again. Christians behave as selfish cowards; they profess to love their mythical god more than they love their own children, all in some self-serving, futile effort to achieve a supernatural afterlife that was conceived and concocted by ancient humans. Christians dwell in a world of myth and fantasy, where they are forced to condemn science and reality in order to validate their false beliefs and superstitions. Religion is a mental illness, passed from one cursed generation to the next, condemning offspring to live a life of false promises where critical thinking is discouraged in lieu of dogmatic servitude. Manufacturing and maintaining your own false reality is one thing, but destroying your children’s minds before they achieve the ability to think critically for themselves is nothing less than an evil and insidious form of child abuse.

Bandit13 on February 26, 2014 at 8:50 PM

Straight jacket and drool cup on aisle 3 please…

melle1228 on February 26, 2014 at 8:53 PM

…WTF?

KOOLAID2 on February 26, 2014 at 8:53 PM

Bandit13 on February 26, 2014 at 8:50 PM

You don’t REALLY think a hard core socon like Paul

Bandit13 on November 6, 2013 at 9:01 PM

OWN YOUR F*CKING RETARDEDNESS!

nobar on February 26, 2014 at 8:53 PM

On to the next Two Minute Hate…

mjbrooks3 on February 26, 2014 at 8:54 PM

Snap! SOCONS bit it again. Christians behave as selfish cowards; they profess to love their mythical god more than they love their own children, all in some self-serving, futile effort to achieve a supernatural afterlife that was conceived and concocted by ancient humans. Christians dwell in a world of myth and fantasy, where they are forced to condemn science and reality in order to validate their false beliefs and superstitions. Religion is a mental illness, passed from one cursed generation to the next, condemning offspring to live a life of false promises where critical thinking is discouraged in lieu of dogmatic servitude. Manufacturing and maintaining your own false reality is one thing, but destroying your children’s minds before they achieve the ability to think critically for themselves is nothing less than an evil and insidious form of child abuse.

Bandit13 on February 26, 2014 at 8:50 PM

I gotta say, you are the one having some reality issues there. Seriously, get some help for that projection problem you have.

Johnnyreb on February 26, 2014 at 8:54 PM

Rewrite the bill stating that you are not allowed to sue if another bakery will bake your cake. Or pie.

HillC Liver Spot on February 26, 2014 at 8:48 PM

Nah. Submit a new bill bill that any business owner can countersue the gay couple for damages due to the pain and suffering endured while violating their conscience.

monalisa on February 26, 2014 at 8:54 PM

Are you kidding? They’ve just started.

Skywise on February 26, 2014 at 8:47 PM

Yeah, it’s more of a plea than a statement. I can see that it wasn’t too clear.

22044 on February 26, 2014 at 8:55 PM

I repeat-Jan Brewer is a RINO B***H!

annoyinglittletwerp on February 26, 2014 at 8:55 PM

AZ, you gotta replace her

22044 on February 26, 2014 at 8:56 PM

You’ll hear she vetoed it before, and she did.

Because she was holding the “R” leg. here hostage over medicaid expansion.

She has fought them on nearly everything. Including spending.

wolly4321 on February 26, 2014 at 8:56 PM

What a shame. She caved to intimidation and smear tactics. Disappointed in her.

bluegill on February 26, 2014 at 8:56 PM

I gotta say, I am not that old, but I never thought I’d see the day when getting a fvcking cake baked based on who you had sex with would become a right that would trump the first amendment and property rights. I fear for this country.

melle1228 on February 26, 2014 at 8:57 PM

Bandit13,

I believe in the Triune God of the Bible: God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Now when you said

“you god raped his mother, condones slavery, is a misogynist and slauthered thousands. What a pu$$y!

your god is a pu$$y.

it neuters that sissy god of yours.

You’re really on a heavy duty period this month, huh Davina, just like your fictional god was when he flooded the earth. What a little bi+ch move that was.”

were you referring to the Triune God of the Bible?

Just want to be clear.

Thank you,

davidk

davidk on February 26, 2014 at 8:57 PM

Snap? Was that bandit’s last brain cell being eaten by his dragon bong?

HillC Liver Spot on February 26, 2014 at 8:58 PM

Snap! SOCONS bit it again. Christians behave as selfish cowards; they profess to love their mythical god more than they love their own children, all in some self-serving, futile effort to achieve a supernatural afterlife that was conceived and concocted by ancient humans. Christians dwell in a world of myth and fantasy, where they are forced to condemn science and reality in order to validate their false beliefs and superstitions. Religion is a mental illness, passed from one cursed generation to the next, condemning offspring to live a life of false promises where critical thinking is discouraged in lieu of dogmatic servitude. Manufacturing and maintaining your own false reality is one thing, but destroying your children’s minds before they achieve the ability to think critically for themselves is nothing less than an evil and insidious form of child abuse.

Bandit13 on February 26, 2014 at 8:50 PM

Somebody got lost on their way to the Fascists Anonymous meeting….

rockmom on February 26, 2014 at 8:58 PM

I hope the NFL promised her more than 30-pieces of silver.

Another Drew on February 26, 2014 at 8:58 PM

This is where we are as a culture, a society

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/372034/jason-collins-jersey-top-seller-first-day-andrew-johnson

a 10 day contract..the NBA is capitalizing off it for a profit by offering a jersey of a temporary player to be sold..God save us..nah We might not be able to be saved at this point

sadsushi on February 26, 2014 at 8:59 PM

No matter how you feel about SSM…even if you’re vehemently against it…this bill has been rightly vetoed. I am flat-out embarrassed for anyone who could have supported this bill as it was written, and shameful you can call yourselves conservatives. Much like the militant, liberal gays ruin it for all gays, you do exactly the same to all conservatives.

I won’t even get into calling yourselves Christian while supporting that bill.

JetBoy on February 26, 2014 at 8:59 PM

Classic.

Murphy9 on February 26, 2014 at 9:00 PM

OT for a moment – Kevin O’Leary Schools Erin Burnett on the economy

22044 on February 26, 2014 at 9:00 PM

, you gotta replace her 22044 on February 26, 2014 at 8:56 PM

She’s termed out. Gone in Nov.

wolly4321 on February 26, 2014 at 9:00 PM

Repubs wonder why we lose. This is why we lose. We pass something, let the Dems write the narrative on it, and then cave.

melle1228 on February 26, 2014 at 9:00 PM

No matter how you feel about SSM…even if you’re vehemently against it…this bill has been rightly vetoed. I am flat-out embarrassed for anyone who could have supported this bill as it was written, and shameful you can call yourselves conservatives. Much like the militant, liberal gays ruin it for all gays, you do exactly the same to all conservatives.

I won’t even get into calling yourselves Christian while supporting that bill.

JetBoy on February 26, 2014 at 8:59 PM

Well, if the first amendment was being followed, there would have been no bill.

Stop defending stupid.

nobar on February 26, 2014 at 9:01 PM

No matter how you feel about SSM…even if you’re vehemently against it…this bill has been rightly vetoed. I am flat-out embarrassed for anyone who could have supported this bill as it was written, and shameful you can call yourselves conservatives. Much like the militant, liberal gays ruin it for all gays, you do exactly the same to all conservatives.

I won’t even get into calling yourselves Christian while supporting that bill.

JetBoy on February 26, 2014 at 8:59 PM

I’ll make you a deal. I’ll stop supporting bills like this when gays stop shopping for businesses to sue..

melle1228 on February 26, 2014 at 9:01 PM

No surprise from jan Brewer. She wants to legalize the illegals and expand medicaid out the wazoo. This veto is just natural for her. She’s always been a moron. Her only saving grace was that she fought a little for Arizona to be able to follow federal law … for a little bit. But, even then, she liked to stress that she was for legalizing the invaders.

What more can you say? This nation has been toast for a little while, now. It is what it is – The American Socialist Superstate.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on February 26, 2014 at 9:01 PM

Tweets All / No replies

ABC15 Arizona ‏@abc15 5m

.@azpolicy: “Sad day for Arizonans” Read full statement on veto of #SB1062: http://on.abc15.com/1exDeDs #abc15
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Cathi Herrod’s statement on the veto of SB 1062

26-Feb-2014
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PHOENIX – “Today’s veto of SB 1062 marks a sad day for Arizonans who cherish and understand religious liberty.

SB 1062 passed the legislature for one reason only: to guarantee that all Arizonans would be free to live and work according to their faith.

Opponents were desperate to distort this bill rather than debate the merits. Essentially, they succeeded in getting a veto of a bill that does not even exist.

When the force of government compels one to speak or act contrary to their conscience, the government injures not only the dignity of the afflicted, but the dignity of our society as a whole.

SB 1062 made certain that governmental laws cannot force people to violate their faith unless it has a compelling governmental interest–a balancing of interests that has been in federal law since 1993.

The religious beliefs of all Arizonans must be respected and this bill did nothing more than affirm that. It is truly a disappointing day in our state and nation when lies and personal attacks can over shadow the truth.”

For more information, visit azpolicy.org.

http://www.azpolicy.org/newsroom/cathi-herrods-statement-on-the-veto-of-sb-1062

canopfor on February 26, 2014 at 8:40 PM

canopfor on February 26, 2014 at 9:01 PM

Melle pushes Jetboy over to drooling Bandit’s camp…——->

melle1228 on February 26, 2014 at 9:02 PM

Arizona anti-gay bill
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GLAAD: Arizona Gov. Jan ‘Brewer today demonstrated that basic respect for LGBT people extends across party lines, and anti-LGBT bias isn’t just bad politics, it’s bad for business’ – statement
read more on glaad.org

http://www.glaad.org/blog/breaking-arizona-governor-vetoes-anti-lgbt-bill

canopfor on February 26, 2014 at 8:04 PM

canopfor on February 26, 2014 at 9:02 PM

Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer says ‘My agenda is to sign into law legislation that advances Arizona’ as she announced veto of anti-gay bill – @AP

davidk on February 26, 2014 at 9:02 PM

JetBoy on February 26, 2014 at 8:59 PM

For someone who has absolutely zero concept of natural rights and likens them to some goofy religious concept you have no room to talk.

Skywise on February 26, 2014 at 9:02 PM

Straight jacket and drool cup on aisle 3 please…

melle1228 on February 26, 2014 at 8:53 PM

Really.

Apparently Arizona law does not prevent restricting service on the basis of sexual orientation. I was also very concerned to see that a number of lawyers were lobbying the governor in support of the bill. That is rarely a good sign. My impression is if it had been signed in its current form it would have given rise to a lot of litigation, which could prove expensive for the taxpayer, who generally must bear some of the court costs.

Hopefully at some point a case along these lines will be pursued to the Supreme Court and hopefully they will allow people freedom of contract and freedom of religion.

talkingpoints on February 26, 2014 at 9:03 PM

…here’s another snippet from Brewer’s rationale for the veto: Let’s get back to our priorities, shall we?

Money, money, money!

Stoic Patriot on February 26, 2014 at 9:03 PM

My collie says:

Surprise, surprise, surprise.

Sarcasm, eh collie? Actually, this should surprise no one. After all, it’s ALL about THE MONEY, isn’t it?

My collie says:

Utterly predictable, donchathink’?

The trouble with selling out other peoples freedoms is that sooner or later, they run out of freedoms. (With apologies to Margaret Thatcher.)

My collie says:

Can we quote you on that?

CyberCipher on February 26, 2014 at 9:03 PM

Gays: “QUIT FORCING YOUR MORALS ON US!!”

Christians: “Isn’t that, in fact, what you’re doing to us?”

Shepherd Lover on February 26, 2014 at 9:03 PM

This is what laughingly passes for Republican leadership.

sharrukin on February 26, 2014 at 9:03 PM

Arizona anti-gay bill
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Text of Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer’s letter explaining her veto of SB1062 – via @azcentral
see original on azcentral.com
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http://www.azcentral.com/ic/pdf/brewer-sb1062-vetoletter.pdf

canopfor on February 26, 2014 at 8:16 PM

canopfor on February 26, 2014 at 9:04 PM

I won’t even get into calling yourselves Christian while supporting that bill.

JetBoy on February 26, 2014 at 8:59 PM

I’m Jewish. Why would I call myself Christian?

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on February 26, 2014 at 9:04 PM

Melle pushes Jetboy over to drooling Bandit’s camp…——->

melle1228 on February 26, 2014 at 9:02 PM

Indeed.
JB, you’re wrong about some things, but not this badly. Usually.

22044 on February 26, 2014 at 9:04 PM

VIDEO REPLAY
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(3:15)

SB1062: Governor Jan Brewer vetoes controversial ‘Religious Freedom’ bill
abc15.com staff
Feb 26, 2014
3 mins ago

http://www.abc15.com/news/state/sb1062-governor-jan-brewer-to-make-statement-on-controversial-religious-freedom-bill?=4g

canopfor on February 26, 2014 at 8:22 PM

canopfor on February 26, 2014 at 9:05 PM

No matter how you feel about SSM…even if you’re vehemently against it…this bill has been rightly vetoed. I am flat-out embarrassed for anyone who could have supported this bill as it was written, and shameful you can call yourselves conservatives. Much like the militant, liberal gays ruin it for all gays, you do exactly the same to all conservatives. I won’t even get into calling yourselves Christian while supporting that bill. JetBoy on February 26, 2014 at 8:59 PM

The bill is only 2 pages. Please qoute which parts specifically you object to. As written.

wolly4321 on February 26, 2014 at 9:06 PM

talkingpoints on February 26, 2014 at 9:03 PM

It was actually a redundant bill, but it wouldn’t be necessary if we didn’t have constant judicial overreach based on the current pet social experiment.

melle1228 on February 26, 2014 at 9:06 PM

No matter how you feel about SSM…even if you’re vehemently against it…this bill has been rightly vetoed. I am flat-out embarrassed for anyone who could have supported this bill as it was written, and shameful you can call yourselves conservatives. Much like the militant, liberal gays ruin it for all gays, you do exactly the same to all conservatives.

I won’t even get into calling yourselves Christian while supporting that bill.

JetBoy on February 26, 2014 at 8:59 PM

So Christians who stand up for their faith are just like the militant gay activists who sue Christians on purpose for those Christians practicing their faith? Outrageous! You have many other places to get your cake, pictures taken, anything else about your ungodly marriage..Christians will not back down for standing up to sin and preaching the truth no matter how many times they are bullied into believing otherwise..If we reject God before man, well God will reject us

sadsushi on February 26, 2014 at 9:06 PM

Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer says ‘My agenda is to sign into law legislation that advances Arizona’ as she announced veto of anti-gay bill – @AP

davidk on February 26, 2014 at 9:02 PM

Huh…

Forward!

Skywise on February 26, 2014 at 9:06 PM

I won’t even get into calling yourselves Christian while supporting that bill.

JetBoy on February 26, 2014 at 8:59 PM

I’m Jewish. Why would I call myself Christian?

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on February 26, 2014 at 9:04 PM

I don’t believe in God, so I don’t call myself a Christian either.

sharrukin on February 26, 2014 at 9:06 PM

I don’t believe in God, so I don’t call myself a Christian either.

sharrukin on February 26, 2014 at 9:06 PM

Uh oh! Back to the drawing board for JetBoy. He was only planning on dealing with Christians.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on February 26, 2014 at 9:06 PM

JetBoy on February 26, 2014 at 8:59 PM

Sorry Jet-but that bill was what was needed.
If someone is against SSM for moral reasons- and own a business-they shouldn’t be forced to have their services used in one.
I would totally support Texas passing a similar law.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 26, 2014 at 9:07 PM

Very, very few of these politicians actually care about the country.

This is most likely what went thru her head..”I really don’t want to deal with this…I have a good life..I have a good pension..I have people to run interference for me…screw the country” Of course she most likely rationalized that all away.

Mimzey on February 26, 2014 at 9:07 PM

Cue up Natural Blues for us.

Murphy9 on February 26, 2014 at 9:08 PM

SB 1062

Who Voted:
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Dawn ‏@dawnlawsonaz 6m

Once again, here is the list of Senators who voted. Remember the Y’s so you can say N at the ballot #SB1062 pic.twitter.com/GXbKhKzYLj
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https://twitter.com/dawnlawsonaz/status/438852919505346561/photo/1/large

canopfor on February 26, 2014 at 8:57 PM

canopfor on February 26, 2014 at 9:08 PM

This thread is off to a roaring start.

Bishop on February 26, 2014 at 9:08 PM

Mc…Cains Mutiny of 08′ chimes in:

Retweeted by ABC15 Arizona
John McCain ‏@SenJohnMcCain 30m

I appreciate Gov Brewer’s decision to veto #SB1062 – everyone is welcome to enjoy our beautiful #Arizona. My stmt: http://www.mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=39e338d8-ff5b-4f26-a0ba-a85b4934a5d3
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John McCain ‏@SenJohnMcCain 31m

I appreciate Gov Brewer’s decision to veto #SB1062 – everyone is welcome to enjoy our beautiful #Arizona. My stmt: http://www.mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=39e338d8-ff5b-4f26-a0ba-a85b4934a5d3
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https://twitter.com/SenJohnMcCain

canopfor on February 26, 2014 at 8:28 PM

canopfor on February 26, 2014 at 9:09 PM

No matter how you feel about SSM…even if you’re vehemently against it…this bill has been rightly vetoed. I am flat-out embarrassed for anyone who could have supported this bill as it was written, and shameful you can call yourselves conservatives. Much like the militant, liberal gays ruin it for all gays, you do exactly the same to all conservatives.

I won’t even get into calling yourselves Christian while supporting that bill.

JetBoy on February 26, 2014 at 8:59 PM

I don’t think a person’s views on gay marriage are relevant at all in this discussion. I wouldn’t support a bill like this because I agree with discrimination, I would support a bill like this because I don’t think it’s the role of the government to be telling private businesses who they can and cannot serve. Forcing businesses to serve customers against their beliefs is legislating morality, something liberals have often accused conservatives of doing. In the long run I think people that openly discriminate would be punished in their wallet.

As far as my views on gay marriage, I don’t have strong views in either direction. I don’t care about the gay marriage debate, I do care about the government possibly forcing private businesses to serve customers against their religious beliefs.

midgeorgian on February 26, 2014 at 9:10 PM

I can’t wait to be ghey!

John the Libertarian on February 26, 2014 at 9:10 PM

This thread is off to a roaring start.

Bishop on February 26, 2014 at 9:08 PM

Bishop: UBetcha:)

canopfor on February 26, 2014 at 9:11 PM

I don’t begrudge homosexuals happiness, however being gay isn’t an excuse for bad manners or outright stupidity.
If you FORCE someone to be a civil union photographer against their beliefs do you think that person is going to do a good job at your ceremony? If you FORCE a bakery to cater your civil union against their religious beliefs what do you think they are going to stir the mix with?
If you want respect you have to give a little. what this shows is that it isn’t about “tolerance”, it’s about throwing your weight around.

V7_Sport on February 26, 2014 at 9:11 PM

Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer says ‘My agenda is to sign into law legislation that advances Arizona’ as she announced veto of anti-gay bill – @AP

What crap. What does that even mean…”advances Arizona”? Isn’t “Arizona” the people of Arizona, and not simply the angry loudmouth minority?

Mimzey on February 26, 2014 at 9:12 PM

Typical LibTard comment:
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John ‏@linnyitssn 24m

Killing 700.000 while looking for oil is Freedom. A gay buying bread is war on Christians. #SB1062
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https://twitter.com/search?q=%23SB1062&src=hash

canopfor on February 26, 2014 at 9:12 PM

was actually a redundant bill, but it wouldn’t be necessary if we didn’t have constant judicial overreach based on the current pet social experiment. melle1228 on February 26, 2014 at 9:06 PM

It was basically an amendment to a bill passed in the 90′s as safeguaud against frivilous lawsuit.

That’s all it was.

wolly4321 on February 26, 2014 at 9:13 PM

Snap! SOCONS bit it again. Christians behave as selfish cowards; they profess to love their mythical god more than they love their own children, all in some self-serving, futile effort to achieve a supernatural afterlife that was conceived and concocted by ancient humans. Christians dwell in a world of myth and fantasy, where they are forced to condemn science and reality in order to validate their false beliefs and superstitions. Religion is a mental illness, passed from one cursed generation to the next, condemning offspring to live a life of false promises where critical thinking is discouraged in lieu of dogmatic servitude. Manufacturing and maintaining your own false reality is one thing, but destroying your children’s minds before they achieve the ability to think critically for themselves is nothing less than an evil and insidious form of child abuse.

Let me guess You prayed to Jesus for a pony and didn’t get one?

Bobbertsan on February 26, 2014 at 9:13 PM

CyberCipher on February 26, 2014 at 9:03 PM

How goes the job hunt?

I’m not going to ask about unemployment comp. Somebody might get their knickers in a knot.

I, however, think they can KMA. I’m in DE now, but had worked in and drew unemployment from Illinois. Ny bennies ended in Dec. They said I had sero balance.

I called a couple of days ago trying to track down my 1099. The guy I talked to was digging around and discovered I still had money coming. It’s only about $58 a week. But I tell you the truth, it is the difference between one meal and two meals a day.

davidk on February 26, 2014 at 9:14 PM

The Minority outweighs the needs of the Majority!!

Er wait,..i think i scrotched that!!!

canopfor on February 26, 2014 at 9:14 PM

There are no longer any politician that has a moral backbone…..come Lord Jesus, come soon.

crosshugger on February 26, 2014 at 9:14 PM

This thread is off to a roaring flaming start.

Bishop on February 26, 2014 at 9:08 PM

FIFY

viking01 on February 26, 2014 at 9:14 PM

Do most of you against this realize that it is ALREADY okay for a business to discriminate against gay in Arizona? Do most of you realize that the purpose of this bill was mostly to clarify the federal Freedom Restoration Act passed in 1993? ANd that this bill actually extended that protection but also made the fact that if the business wanted to not serve gays – it made it the burden of PROOF HARDER For the business owner. I swear sometimes gays are their own worst enemy.

melle1228 on February 26, 2014 at 9:15 PM

talkingpoints on February 26, 2014 at 9:03 PM

It was actually a redundant bill, but it wouldn’t be necessary if we didn’t have constant judicial overreach based on the current pet social experiment.

melle1228 on February 26, 2014 at 9:06 PM

I know, this whole thing is bizarre. I actually support civil unions, bu never before in the history of the world has there been same sex marriage. One of the main historical purposes of marriage is to unite families and bear children to carry on the family line. Gay “marriage” just doesn’t make sense.

I still think it will be only a short time before a Muslim man sues for the right to marry multiple wives, for which there is ample precedent in the Jewish and Muslim religions-see the entire Old Testament. Is there anyone that thinks in this day and age a court would rule against a Muslim’s religious liberty in taking the number of wives endorsed by his religion?

No other country in the world promotes same sex marriage. I wish we had just nationally legalized civil unions and maybe this wouldn’t have gotten so out of hand.

talkingpoints on February 26, 2014 at 9:17 PM

This is for all the men on here…well, most anyway..

..if you don’t enjoy this….oh well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj2700em-JQ

ToddPA on February 26, 2014 at 9:18 PM

JB- please quote the offending text of the law.

wolly4321 on February 26, 2014 at 9:18 PM

Hillary Clinton, during speech at University of Miami, commends Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer for vetoing ‘discriminatory’ anti-gay legislation – @washingtonpost

Except she didn’t.

davidk on February 26, 2014 at 9:18 PM

it made it the burden of PROOF HARDER For the business owner. I swear sometimes gays are their own worst enemy.

melle1228 on February 26, 2014 at 9:15 PM

How so?

Mimzey on February 26, 2014 at 9:19 PM

you FORCE someone to be a civil union photographer against their beliefs do you think that person is going to do a good job at your ceremony? If you FORCE a bakery to cater your civil union against their religious beliefs what do you think they are going to stir the mix with?

Yeah, and if you FORCE Woolworth’s to let you sit at the lunch counter, who knows what they’ll put in that egg salad sandwich?

The GOP has become the party of a rump Confederacy.

inklake on February 26, 2014 at 9:19 PM

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