The new era dawns: Atheists to have a booth at CPAC this year; Update: Booth canceled?

posted at 2:01 pm on February 25, 2014 by Allahpundit

Let’s be fair. Even if you hate the idea, this is a Grade-A bit of trolling. It might even distract the media from hunting down the kookiest conservative they can find and using him as a purported example of what most attendees are like. Everybody wins.

I was sworn to secrecy but I can’t hold it in any longer: We are, in fact, planning a coup of the conservative movement from the booth in the hall. Our first official act will be to purge the Fox News “Special Report” panel of believers and install George Will and Charles Krauthammer there instead.

Wait a sec.

“Just as there are many closeted atheists in the church pews, I am extremely confident that there are many closeted atheists in the ranks of conservatives,” said David Silverman, president of American Atheists…

Meghan Snyder, spokeswoman for CPAC, said American Atheists were included in the confab because “conservatives have always stood for freedom of religion and freedom of expression.”

“CPAC’s mission is to be an umbrella for conservative organizations that advance liberty, traditional values and our national defense,” said [Family Research Council president Tony] Perkins, who spokes at CPAC in 2012. “Does the American Conservative Union really think the liberties and values they seek to preserve can be maintained when they partner with individuals and organizations that are undermining the understanding that our liberties come from God? Thomas Jefferson warned against such nonsense.”

The social conservative leader added: “If this is where the ACU is headed, they will have to pack up and put away the ‘C’ in CPAC!”

Guy Benson had the same thought I did when I read the boldfaced part. Wasn’t GOProud just denied a booth — again?

What’s the theory by which the atheists are in and the gay conservatives aren’t? GOProud will be there because they agree with Republicans on most issues. American Atheists will be there because, I suspect, they’re hoping for some easy publicity when reporters stumble across their booth and can’t resist the fish-out-of-water story of nonbelievers at ground zero for conservatism. (If they’re really lucky, some prominent social con like Perkins will stop by their booth while cameras are rolling.) But even if you’re willing to assume that they’re attending just to remind people that some conservatives are atheists too — which, I assure you, is true — then GOProud warrants the same benefit of the doubt. There will be gays at CPAC; if the event’s all about freedom of expression and representing the diversity of the movement, why not a booth for them?

In fact, no matter how sharply GOProud may diverge from the rest of the party on gay issues, it’s a cinch that they’re more conservative than a nominally unaffiliated group like American Atheists. Here’s a fun fact from Pew:

In recent elections, the religiously unaffiliated have become one of the most reliably Democratic segments of the electorate. Exit polls conducted by a consortium of news organizations indicate that in 2000, 61% of the unaffiliated voted for Al Gore over George W. Bush. By 2004, John Kerry’s share of the unaffiliated vote had increased to 67%. And in 2008, fully three-quarters of the religiously unaffiliated voted for Barack Obama over John McCain. In 2008, religiously unaffiliated voters were as strongly Democratic in their vote choice as white evangelicals were Republican. Obama’s margin of victory among the religiously unaffiliated was 52 points; McCain’s margin of victory among white evangelical voters was 47 points.

“Religiously unaffiliated” isn’t the same as “atheist” but it would be a strange result indeed if the strongest skeptics among the “unaffiliated” broke sharply from the rest of the pack in partisan identification. Approaching this from a different angle, it’s also undeniably true that while most Democrats are religious, the percentage of religious Democrats is notably lower than the percentage of religious Republicans. Late last year, the Harris poll found that 87 percent of GOPers believe in God versus just 72 percent of Dems (and 70 percent of indies). In 2011, Gallup found that 90 percent of Democrats believed in God — as opposed to 98 percent of Republicans. Here’s another one from Gallup, this time from 2008:

gallup-god2

There are a few atheist conservatives — and I do mean “a few.” If I had to guess, I’d bet they’re comparable in numbers to gay conservatives, if not fewer. But they’re not in the middle of the gay marriage battle that’s raging right now, which apparently makes them a bit more tolerable at conservatism’s biggest event. That’s the real answer to Guy’s question, I take it. I can’t think of another explanation. Exit quotation from CNN: “In 2013, American Atheists launched a billboard campaign against three Republican politicians: former vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich and former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum.”

Update: That was fast.


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Have mercy!

Schadenfreude on February 25, 2014 at 2:02 PM

I don’t think their numbers are that small. There is a fervent Ayn Rand branch of the conservative movement.

John the Libertarian on February 25, 2014 at 2:04 PM

“In 2013, American Atheists launched a billboard campaign against three Republican politicians: former vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich and former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum.”

Huckabee to the list in 2016

Schadenfreude on February 25, 2014 at 2:06 PM

“In 2013, American Atheists launched a billboard campaign against three Republican politicians: former vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich and former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum.”

Things that make you go “hmmmm……”

nobar on February 25, 2014 at 2:07 PM

As Ace said, Rachael Maddow has another slot for her/his rants.

Schadenfreude on February 25, 2014 at 2:07 PM

They were infiltrated by a “Heretic”?

ToddPA on February 25, 2014 at 2:08 PM

If they have no booth wouldn’t that be symbolic of everything they stand for?

viking01 on February 25, 2014 at 2:14 PM

It might even distract the media from hunting down the kookiest conservative they can find and using him as a purported example of what most attendees are like.

Hard to do when Chris Christie is actually a speaker at CPAC 2014.

Happy Nomad on February 25, 2014 at 2:15 PM

CPAC = FARCE

workingclass artist on February 25, 2014 at 2:16 PM

I don’t believe it.

lol…too easy.

xNavigator on February 25, 2014 at 2:17 PM

Update: Booth canceled?

It was going well until Armin Principal Skinner showed up.

22044 on February 25, 2014 at 2:18 PM

Atheists already have a home…

Cock Crows as Dems Deny God Three Times

Seven Percent Solution on February 25, 2014 at 2:18 PM

There’s nothing conservative about rejecting God or embracing sexual perversion. We need to have a big tent, but there are limits. Tax hikers aren’t conservative. Big spenders aren’t conservative. And those who reject common sense and basic decency aren’t conservative.

DCMickel on February 25, 2014 at 2:19 PM

Let’s ban Chris Christie from attending. I bet that will open up space for several dozen additional kooky booths.

NotCoach on February 25, 2014 at 2:21 PM

? – Is this a Big Tent or a Small Tent? Asking for a friend.

D-fusit on February 25, 2014 at 2:22 PM

I’d welcome atheists but I don’t want them crowing about their atheism. That is incompatible with conservative ideas.

22044 on February 25, 2014 at 2:22 PM

I don’t understand this any more than I understand why atheists would form a “church”.
Do these attention seeking atheists go to some atheist “church” and just sit there doing nothing?
Do the various religious denominations have booths at CPAC?

Just people looking for attention, IMHO.
I consider myself to be atheist, but that’s nothing more than a detail of what I do or don’t believe. I just don’t see it as worthy of a special category of some kind.

dentarthurdent on February 25, 2014 at 2:22 PM

? – Is this a Big Tent or a Small Tent? Asking for a friend.

D-fusit on February 25, 2014 at 2:22 PM

Right now it’s a small tent, but when I look at some pictures of Kate Upton later it will…wait, what are we talking about again?

NotCoach on February 25, 2014 at 2:23 PM

I’d welcome atheists but I don’t want them crowing about their atheism. That is incompatible with conservative ideas.

22044 on February 25, 2014 at 2:22 PM

So as long as they don’t mention being atheists, they’re fine? That’s right up there with telling gays to keep quiet if they to be welcomed. I mean, should Christian conservatives keep their lips sealed about their faith and doctrine as well?

JetBoy on February 25, 2014 at 2:26 PM

GOProud will be there because they agree with Republicans on most issues

I thought CPAC was supposed to be for conservatives, not for Republicans. It has the word “conservative” in the title, after all. If we’re talking about the criteria being “because they agree with Republicans on most issues,” then I think they should consider changing their name. I think that it’s fairly safe to say that agreeing with Republicans (especially agreeing with Republican politicians) isn’t the conservative proxy that it once was.

besser tot als rot on February 25, 2014 at 2:29 PM

Shame it got cancelled. Would have been highly entertaining.

butch on February 25, 2014 at 2:29 PM

American Atheists…

Murray v. United States (1964) To force the Federal Communications Commission to extend the Fairness Doctrine so that Atheists could have equal time with religion on radio and television.

O’Hair v. Blumenthal (1978) Challenged the inclusion of the phrase “In God We Trust” on U.S. currency.

American Atheists v. Port Authority (2011) Filed suit against the placement of cross-shaped steel beams called the “World Trade Center Cross” at the National September 11 Memorial and Museum.

These guys are just leftist scumbags.

sharrukin on February 25, 2014 at 2:31 PM

So as long as they don’t mention being atheists, they’re fine? That’s right up there with telling gays to keep quiet if they to be welcomed. I mean, should Christian conservatives keep their lips sealed about their faith and doctrine as well?

JetBoy on February 25, 2014 at 2:26 PM

That’s a bad analogy – when conservative ideas are often rooted in Judeo-Christian principles and atheism is a road to nowhere.

22044 on February 25, 2014 at 2:31 PM

So as long as they don’t mention being atheists, they’re fine? That’s right up there with telling gays to keep quiet if they to be welcomed. I mean, should Christian conservatives keep their lips sealed about their faith and doctrine as well?

JetBoy on February 25, 2014 at 2:26 PM

If they are there to promote conservative ideals, they are fine. Gays, atheists, whoever. If they are there to promote atheism, homosexuality, or whatever – then, they’re not. Christian groups that attend are generally there trying to convert people – they’re there to promote conservative ideals. You will, of course, be unable to understand this.

besser tot als rot on February 25, 2014 at 2:32 PM

I thought CPAC was supposed to be for conservatives, not for Republicans. It has the word “conservative” in the title, after all. If we’re talking about the criteria being “because they agree with Republicans on most issues,” then I think they should consider changing their name. I think that it’s fairly safe to say that agreeing with Republicans (especially agreeing with Republican politicians) isn’t the conservative proxy that it once was.

besser tot als rot on February 25, 2014 at 2:29 PM

Indeed. GOProud agreeing with “Republicans” doesn’t strike me as conservative at all.

Maybe if the GOP was a conservative party……………………………

nobar on February 25, 2014 at 2:33 PM

*not trying to convert people

besser tot als rot on February 25, 2014 at 2:33 PM

I was hoping they just cancelled CPAC…
BTW, doesn’t “cancelled” have two l’s..?

d1carter on February 25, 2014 at 2:33 PM

Glad to see they thought better of it. The fewer obnoxious people the better.

Akzed on February 25, 2014 at 2:33 PM

CPAC’s mission is to be an umbrella for conservative organizations that advance liberty, traditional values and our national defense…

The problem is that too many conservatives place Christianity as a prerequisite under “traditional values”, severely limiting religious freedom and freedom of expression.

JetBoy on February 25, 2014 at 2:35 PM

Just people looking for attention, IMHO.
I consider myself to be atheist, but that’s nothing more than a detail of what I do or don’t believe. I just don’t see it as worthy of a special category of some kind.
dentarthurdent on February 25, 2014 at 2:22 PM

I have no problem with atheists being at CPAC or being conservative. I even have an atheist friend. (Wait that didn’t come out right…)
So long at the atheists believe in “God given” natural rights and absolute, objective morality then the philosophies of rights and government should match up.

But your post brings up an interesting point… It’s not like there a Catholics for conservatives or baptists for conservatives booth there… Is there?

Skywise on February 25, 2014 at 2:36 PM

It’s obvious the GOP needs to find a way to appeal to the Hershey Special Dark demographic

BobMbx on February 25, 2014 at 2:36 PM

And as a reminder, it’s Freedom of religion, not “card-carrying members of approved religions only” that conservatives support.

BobMbx on February 25, 2014 at 2:38 PM

So as long as they don’t mention being atheists, they’re fine? That’s right up there with telling gays to keep quiet if they to be welcomed. I mean, should Christian conservatives keep their lips sealed about their faith and doctrine as well?
JetBoy on February 25, 2014 at 2:26 PM

Normal people are welcome, and they can even tell us a little bit about themselves if they wish.

Akzed on February 25, 2014 at 2:39 PM

So long at the atheists believe in “God given” natural rights and absolute, objective morality then the philosophies of rights and government should match up.

Skywise on February 25, 2014 at 2:36 PM

Huh?

JetBoy on February 25, 2014 at 2:39 PM

The problem is that too many conservatives place Christianity as a prerequisite under “traditional values”, severely limiting religious freedom and freedom of expression.
JetBoy on February 25, 2014 at 2:35 PM

And that’s different from gays and/or atheists who place their respective ideologies as a prerequisite to their politics OR religion how?

Skywise on February 25, 2014 at 2:39 PM

The problem is that too many conservatives place Christianity as a prerequisite under “traditional values”, severely limiting religious freedom and freedom of expression.

JetBoy on February 25, 2014 at 2:35 PM

Probably due to the fact that IT IS a traditional value? It doesn’t limit religious freedom or freedom of expression. Other religions don’t place much value at all on religious freedom, or freedom of expression. Christianity does which is why these values arose in a Christian nation and were then placed in the Constitution.

sharrukin on February 25, 2014 at 2:40 PM

Glad to see they thought better of it. The fewer obnoxious people the better.

Akzed on February 25, 2014 at 2:33 PM

Which would mean you plan to stay home.

*ba dum bum pshh*

JetBoy on February 25, 2014 at 2:40 PM

Well, I suppose you could drive Christians from the party if you want it to cease to exist.

However, I thought this convention was for Conservatives, not for the GOP. More of an idealogical thing than a party thing. If there’s one thing we don’t need it’s the insanity/lunacy of atheism.

Paperclips on February 25, 2014 at 2:40 PM

LOL, what’s next? A booth for Obama supporters?

CPAC is a joke.

Norwegian on February 25, 2014 at 2:41 PM

But your post brings up an interesting point… It’s not like there a Catholics for conservatives or baptists for conservatives booth there… Is there?

Skywise on February 25, 2014 at 2:36 PM

That’s what I was wondering.
Do the Baptists, Catholics, Mormons, etc have booths at this event?
If not, I don’t see a reason for there to be an “atheists” booth.

dentarthurdent on February 25, 2014 at 2:42 PM

The problem is that too many conservatives place Christianity as a prerequisite under “traditional values”, severely limiting religious freedom and freedom of expression. JetBoy on February 25, 2014 at 2:35 PM

Please, link to some news headlines about conservative Christians “severely limiting freedom and freedom of expression.”

Akzed on February 25, 2014 at 2:42 PM

So long at the atheists believe in “God given” natural rights and absolute, objective morality then the philosophies of rights and government should match up.

Skywise on February 25, 2014 at 2:36 PM

Huh?

JetBoy on February 25, 2014 at 2:39 PM

God given rights form the basis of the Constitution.

You know…”all men are created equal”.

“All men are equal” is absurd and simply false.

sharrukin on February 25, 2014 at 2:43 PM

LOL, what’s next? A booth for Obama supporters?

CPAC is a joke.

Norwegian on February 25, 2014 at 2:41 PM

I’m pretty sure that the two groups mentioned by AP fit that criteria.

besser tot als rot on February 25, 2014 at 2:43 PM

Do the Baptists, Catholics, Mormons, etc have booths at this event?
If not, I don’t see a reason for there to be an “atheists” booth.

dentarthurdent on February 25, 2014 at 2:42 PM

Because the Baptists, Catholics, Mormons, etc. are there promoting conservative principles, not their religion or lifestyle. Which is, it appears to me at least, the gays and atheists want to do.

besser tot als rot on February 25, 2014 at 2:44 PM

So long at the atheists believe in “God given” natural rights and absolute, objective morality then the philosophies of rights and government should match up. Skywise on February 25, 2014 at 2:36 PM

Which is why the groups in question can’t be described as conservative.

What are the gay atheists trying to conserve, our long heritage of gay atheism? Where do we read about that?

Akzed on February 25, 2014 at 2:45 PM

Probably due to the fact that IT IS a traditional value?

Only for Christians it is. Should CPAC add one more “C” for “Christian” to it’s name? Do Christians have some monopoly on values?

JetBoy on February 25, 2014 at 2:46 PM

I have no problem with atheists being at CPAC or being conservative. I even have an atheist friend. (Wait that didn’t come out right…)
So long at the atheists believe in “God given” natural rights and absolute, objective morality then the philosophies of rights and government should match up.
Skywise on February 25, 2014 at 2:36 PM

That’s ok, some of my best friends are Christians….. ;)
I believe in those rights and morals, just not necessarily the “God-given” part.
But I’m an unusual type to begin with – I’m not against religion, and I don’t deny God exists – I just don’t currently believe he does. But we put up Christmas lights and a tree and celebrate Christmas.

dentarthurdent on February 25, 2014 at 2:49 PM

Huh?
JetBoy on February 25, 2014 at 2:39 PM

Really?

Ok – the Declaration of Independence establishes that our country was started on the foundation of there being natural rights, established outside the minds of man, that apply to all people. To wit – “God given”. It’s the foundational stone for the constitution and bill of rights.
You don’t need to believe in a God or be religious to believe this. But, to be conservative, you have I believe in natural rights to man granted by the very nature of existence.

Pursuant to that is the belief that morality is absolute and objective. That is, that there’s a “perfect” good/morality that can be derived at. This is also the cornerstone of how constitutional law works.

That’s what it means to be conservative Charlie Brown.

Skywise on February 25, 2014 at 2:49 PM

All these “booth” and “sponsorship” controversies stem from the same root cause. CPAC is the major fundraiser for the ACU. Typically the people you put in charge of raising money with a big annual event like this aren’t involved in very much else. They aren’t immersed in dealing with issues or the conservative base. They are about raising money.

~~~~

When a person whose sole job is to raise money is faced with someone wishing to give money to the cause, their default reaction is always to take the money. Always.

So they probably accepted the sponsorship from “Log Cabin Republicans” a couple years back without thinking, or maybe without even knowing it was a gay group. They have “Republicans” in the name and they had money. What else is to know?

Same with Atheists for America or whatever this group is. “America” is good to have in the name, and they wanted to pay. If your job is to sell booths, you sell the darned thing and go on to sell another.

If you make a mistake, someone will tell you.

Adjoran on February 25, 2014 at 2:49 PM

God given rights form the basis of the Constitution.

You know…”all men are created equal”.

“All men are equal” is absurd and simply false.

sharrukin on February 25, 2014 at 2:43 PM

That would be the Declaration of Independence.

davidk on February 25, 2014 at 2:51 PM

Because the Baptists, Catholics, Mormons, etc. are there promoting conservative principles, not their religion or lifestyle.
besser tot als rot on February 25, 2014 at 2:44 PM

Are they? Or are they there promoting their particular religion?

dentarthurdent on February 25, 2014 at 2:51 PM

God given rights form the basis of the Constitution.

You know…”all men are created equal”.

“All men are equal” is absurd and simply false.

sharrukin on February 25, 2014 at 2:43 PM

So atheists…who don’t believe in God…must agree in God-given rights, to be welcome amongst conservatives?

That’s absolutely one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever read.

JetBoy on February 25, 2014 at 2:51 PM

Only for Christians it is. Should CPAC add one more “C” for “Christian” to it’s name? Do Christians have some monopoly on values?

JetBoy on February 25, 2014 at 2:46 PM

It’s a conservative event, snowflake. What was an atheist group looking to do there but disrupt and create a sideshow?

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Fallon on February 25, 2014 at 2:52 PM

Only for Christians it is.

JetBoy on February 25, 2014 at 2:46 PM

I am not a Christian. It is a traditional value because that is what traditionally has been true for hundreds of years since the Constitution was written.

This isn’t about you. It is about society and the values that forged the freedoms under discussion.

sharrukin on February 25, 2014 at 2:53 PM

It’s a conservative event, snowflake. What was an atheist group looking to do there but disrupt and create a sideshow?

Happy Nomad on February 25, 2014 at 2:51 PM

I ask again…you can’t be considered a conservative unless you’re a Christian?

JetBoy on February 25, 2014 at 2:54 PM

That’s absolutely one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever read.

JetBoy on February 25, 2014 at 2:51 PM

It would be if that is what I had written.

sharrukin on February 25, 2014 at 2:54 PM

Skywise on February 25, 2014 at 2:49 PM

Very well stated.
I can buy that – all of it.

dentarthurdent on February 25, 2014 at 2:56 PM

Right now it’s a small tent, but when I look at some pictures of Kate Upton later it will…wait, what are we talking about again?

NotCoach on February 25, 2014 at 2:23 PM

2014 Sports Illistrated Swimsuit Issue arrived at the house last Friday, WOWWZER on the Zero Gravity pictures!!!!!!

D-fusit on February 25, 2014 at 2:59 PM

dentarthurdent on February 25, 2014 at 2:49 PM

I knew that was going to get misconstrued – I used “God given” (note the quotes) because that was the term/euphemism at the time. That’s why I paired it up with the term natural rights which is the more modern (but thanks to progressives forgotten) term without the religious aspect. As a Christian I believe they are God given but politically I think its enough so long as we agree on the founding principals/philosophy of our constitution for the sake of shared government.

We can leave the religious differences (Christian, catholic, atheist, Jewish, etc) to the local Irish pub. :)

Skywise on February 25, 2014 at 3:00 PM

As an agnostic, I always feel like odd man woman out in these religious vs. atheist threads. Meh. Don’t really care. :-P

Fallon on February 25, 2014 at 3:01 PM

It’s a conservative event, snowflake. What was an atheist group looking to do there but disrupt and create a sideshow?

Happy Nomad on February 25, 2014 at 2:51 PM

I agree with your questioning the motives of an organized group of atheists. I don’t care for the things most of these organized atheist groups have been pushing – one being the attacks on the Air Force Academy by group led by an atheist grad. The 1st Amendment says “freedom of religion”, not “freedom from religion”.

But on the other hand, is there a particular “approved” religion that is allowed to be conservative or associate with conservatives?
If so, I’d like to know which one.

dentarthurdent on February 25, 2014 at 3:03 PM

A coalition of black pastors announced on Tuesday at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C. that they are launching a campaign to gather one million signatures on a petition calling for the impeachment of Attorney General Eric Holder for violating his oath of office by trying “to coerce states to fall in line with the same-sex ‘marriage’ agenda.”

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/penny-starr/black-pastors-impeach-holder

davidk on February 25, 2014 at 3:05 PM

Skywise on February 25, 2014 at 3:00 PM

Ya – I got what you were saying – and fully agree.

BTW – you’d BETTER be Catholic if you’re going to an Irish Pub…. ;)

(BTW – I grew up Catholic)

dentarthurdent on February 25, 2014 at 3:07 PM

2014 Sports Illistrated Swimsuit Issue arrived at the house last Friday, WOWWZER on the Zero Gravity pictures!!!!!!

D-fusit on February 25, 2014 at 2:59 PM

Big tent!

I used to like Justin Verlander, but not anymore…lucky bastard…

NotCoach on February 25, 2014 at 3:09 PM

‘Conservative’ members of the CPUSA should have a booth too.

Wigglesworth on February 25, 2014 at 3:09 PM

JetBoy on February 25, 2014 at 2:51 PM

I’m curious. If you don’t believe your inalienable rights came from God, where did they come from? Or are there no such thing as inalienable rights?

BKeyser on February 25, 2014 at 3:13 PM

So atheists…who don’t believe in God…must agree in God-given rights, to be welcome amongst conservatives? That’s absolutely one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever read. JetBoy on February 25, 2014 at 2:51 PM

Given the total confusion that you’ve demonstrated in other critical areas, we understand why something like this would be beyond your grasp.

Akzed on February 25, 2014 at 3:16 PM

Why not open the tent and let them have a booth. Prop up a live web cam (assuming the internet works on the pavilion floor) and let people hear the actual discussion. The left is the side that regularly stifles debate and locks opponents out. Why should we give them more fodder to show how non-inclusive the right is? If you believe in something you should be willing to defend it.

The real issue we need to tackle is what kind of beer will be in the Kruiser Cabana?

TheLoudTalker on February 25, 2014 at 3:16 PM

Winning political parties win the votes of the actual population of the voters, and not by excluding voters. Some people seem to care more for purity than for actual victory in elections. We should never forget that politics always involves some compromise. Some people’s unwillingness to compromise forces worse consequences on us. The Ted Cruz Obamacare government shutdown significantly tied Paul Ryan’s hands in his budget negotiations with Patty Murray. We therefore have higher levels of spending.

And there are people here would want to toss me from the party as a pro-abortion gay person. I’m impervious to people disliking me for my politics, but most people can be made unwelcome easily. The GOP is losing voters when it sounds intolerant. Some people here should keep their eyes on the prize of the 2014 and 2016 elections, and put their petty bigotries aside.

thuja on February 25, 2014 at 3:17 PM

…W T F ?

KOOLAID2 on February 25, 2014 at 3:18 PM

Why not open the tent and let them have a booth. Prop up a live web cam (assuming the internet works on the pavilion floor) and let people hear the actual discussion.

TheLoudTalker on February 25, 2014 at 3:16 PM

So what about the Code Pink and Moveon.org booths?

sharrukin on February 25, 2014 at 3:19 PM

not by excluding voters.

thuja on February 25, 2014 at 3:17 PM

They aren’t going to vote for any conservative, or any Republican.

sharrukin on February 25, 2014 at 3:21 PM

Militant Atheists=Militant Gay

Bmore on February 25, 2014 at 3:24 PM

Some people here should keep their eyes on the prize of the 2014 and 2016 elections, and put their petty bigotries aside.

thuja on February 25, 2014 at 3:17 PM

Wonderful to hear that you’ve evolved into a partisan hack.

Now please answer this:

Can anyone who pretends to be moderate please list the major conservative accomplishments of Bush 2000-2008? (and no, you can’t just say the tax cuts).
nobar on February 23, 2014 at 1:18 AM

If winning means so much to you, then define our past wins.

nobar on February 25, 2014 at 3:25 PM

lol. glad they cancelled it! these atheist groups are pretty much just anti-Christian groups. obviously they don’t literally call themselves that, but their actions show that that’s what they want to do most.

though, i am glad that not all atheists are like that. AP, you are a good example of an atheist who truly respects religious people and doesn’t try to act superior.

Sachiko on February 25, 2014 at 3:25 PM

Fallon on February 25, 2014 at 3:01 PM

I don’t think that there is a group of Militant Agnostics yet. Care to start one? I miss coffee with you! ; )

Bmore on February 25, 2014 at 3:25 PM

Are they? Or are they there promoting their particular religion?

dentarthurdent on February 25, 2014 at 2:51 PM

Yes. No.

besser tot als rot on February 25, 2014 at 3:26 PM

So, for those of claiming you have to be Christian, or even a certain type of Christian, to be conservative, I’m curious whether you consider Thomas Jefferson to be conservative.
A few relevant quotes from him on this subject:

Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting “Jesus Christ,” so that it would read “A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;” the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.

It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God.

In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.

Difference of opinion is advantageous in religion. The several sects perform the office of a Censor – over each other.

Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear.

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend.

dentarthurdent on February 25, 2014 at 3:30 PM

So atheists…who don’t believe in God…must agree in God-given rights, to be welcome amongst conservatives? That’s absolutely one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever read.

JetBoy on February 25, 2014 at 2:51 PM

Seems to me that they must espouse natural rights, whether they base it on God, or whatever they want. If they believe that their rights come from what man or government, I don’t see how they can really be a conservative.

besser tot als rot on February 25, 2014 at 3:30 PM

I don’t think that there is a group of Militant Agnostics yet. Care to start one? I miss coffee with you! ; )

Bmore on February 25, 2014 at 3:25 PM

They’re just not sure if they want to get involved….

And the militant procrastinators just keep putting it off.

;)

dentarthurdent on February 25, 2014 at 3:32 PM

So, for those of claiming you have to be Christian, or even a certain type of Christian, to be conservative, I’m curious whether you consider Thomas Jefferson to be conservative.

dentarthurdent on February 25, 2014 at 3:30 PM

I don’t think you have to be a Christian to be a conservative, but I don’t see how any of your quotes support the proposition that Thomas Jefferson thought otherwise.

besser tot als rot on February 25, 2014 at 3:34 PM

They aren’t going to vote for any conservative, or any Republican.

sharrukin on February 25, 2014 at 3:21 PM

You are wrong. I am a gay, pro-abortion, pro-ecology, vegetarian yogi living in a college neighbourhood. I reliably vote for the GOP except for Rick Santorum. I would expect that there are many atheist votes who have been chased away by less than strategic statements by some Republicans.

The GOP has a positive economic message and we should stop pissing away our advantage by excluding large (or even small ones) demographic groups. The religiously unaffiliated are 1/6 the population.

thuja on February 25, 2014 at 3:35 PM

Militant Atheists=Militant Gay

Bmore on February 25, 2014 at 3:24 PM

Are you saying that all atheists are gay, or vice versa?
Or just that the militant versions of both are equally a pain in the butt… (pun not quite intended)
I personally don’t care for militant ____ (anything).

dentarthurdent on February 25, 2014 at 3:35 PM

This what the evolutionists said about the Nye/Ham debate: http://dailycaller.com/2014/02/23/cnns-media-critic-journalists-shouldnt-give-equal-time-to-global-warming-skeptics/

davidk on February 25, 2014 at 3:36 PM

I’m curious whether you consider Thomas Jefferson to be conservative.

dentarthurdent on February 25, 2014 at 3:30 PM

A more beautiful or precious morsel of ethics I have never seen; it is a document in proof that I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus, very different from the Platonists, who call me infidel and themselves Christians and preachers of the gospel, while they draw all their characteristic dogmas from what its author never said nor saw. They have compounded from the heathen mysteries a system beyond the comprehension of man, of which the great reformer of the vicious ethics and deism of the Jews, were he to return on earth, would not recognize one feature.” – Thomas Jefferson

sharrukin on February 25, 2014 at 3:39 PM

dentarthurdent on February 25, 2014 at 3:30 PM

I guess one could argue that Jefferson was certainly not conservative in relation to the mid-18th century American milieu.

davidk on February 25, 2014 at 3:40 PM

I don’t think that there is a group of Militant Agnostics yet. Care to start one? I miss coffee with you! ; )

Bmore on February 25, 2014 at 3:25 PM

…then get your assdown there…and have a cup!

KOOLAID2 on February 25, 2014 at 3:41 PM

Can anyone who pretends to be moderate please list the major conservative accomplishments of Bush 2000-2008? (and no, you can’t just say the tax cuts).
nobar on February 23, 2014 at 1:18 AM

If winning means so much to you, then define our past wins.

nobar on February 25, 2014 at 3:25 PM

W was a compassionate conservative, which I hold to be a big mistake. He did try to do some good stuff like privatize Social Security and reign in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. I hold a huge grudge and Bush for the passage of Sarbannes Oaxley and how it was purely economic destructiveness. I suppose I am not listing Bush accomplishments, because I don’t remember them now. I do think my list of his failures shows the mistakes we need to correct in the next nominee.

Bush’s foreign policy was good in his first term, when he listened to Dick Cheney.

thuja on February 25, 2014 at 3:41 PM

dentarthurdent on February 25, 2014 at 3:30 PM

To the corruptions of Christianity I am indeed opposed; but not to the genuine precepts of Jesus himself. I am a Christian, in the only sense he wished any one to be; sincerely attached to his doctrines, in preference to all others; ascribing to himself every human excellence; & believing he never claimed any other – Thomas Jefferson

sharrukin on February 25, 2014 at 3:42 PM

I reliably vote for the GOP except for Rick Santorum. I would expect that there are many atheist votes who have been chased away by less than strategic statements by some Republicans.

The GOP has a positive economic message and we should stop pissing away our advantage by excluding large (or even small ones) demographic groups. The religiously unaffiliated are 1/6 the population.

thuja on February 25, 2014 at 3:35 PM

I wouldn’t vote for Santorum either. Because he is a big government statist.

I don’t think the GOP has a positive economic message. I don’t think they have an economic message at all, but to the extent that they do, it is statist. They could have a positive economic message, but they’d rather just cozy up to their cronies.

I don’t think that excluding groups that are explicitly formed for promoting an agenda that is non-conservative means that the people in those groups are excluded. The group promoting the non-conservative agenda may be excluded, but the people are free to attend and promote a conservative agenda (either individually, or as a part of another group that explicitly promotes conservatism).

besser tot als rot on February 25, 2014 at 3:43 PM

thuja on February 25, 2014 at 3:35 PM

We can do without baby killers.

davidk on February 25, 2014 at 3:44 PM

I don’t think you have to be a Christian to be a conservative, but I don’t see how any of your quotes support the proposition that Thomas Jefferson thought otherwise.

besser tot als rot on February 25, 2014 at 3:34 PM

I believe Jefferson was very definitely “conservative” in his ideals and politics. He was evidently Christian, but he was not fond of organized religion, and he did not want our government and it’s guiding principles to be laid out specifically according to one particular religion.

My point being – you can be atheist AND conservative.

Here’s a couple more:

If we did a good act merely from love of God and a belief that it is pleasing to Him, whence arises the morality of the Atheist? …Their virtue, then, must have had some other foundation than the love of God.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Thomas Law, June 13, 1814

Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814

dentarthurdent on February 25, 2014 at 3:44 PM

I guess one could argue that Jefferson was certainly not conservative in relation to the mid-18th century American milieu.

davidk on February 25, 2014 at 3:40 PM

Right you are. Conservatives today want to conserve what Jefferson helped set up. But in his day, he was certainly a radical.

besser tot als rot on February 25, 2014 at 3:46 PM

conservative organizations that advance liberty, traditional values and our national defense…

The problem is that too many conservatives place Christianity as a prerequisite under “traditional values”, severely limiting religious freedom and freedom of expression.

JetBoy on February 25, 2014 at 2:35 PM

I think you’re going the wrong direction with this. It may be a better argument that conservative organizations that advance liberty, traditional values and our national defense, call it A, are more likely to be Christian organizations (or rooted in Christianity), B, than other organizations.

Generalizing here: All B are A, but not all A have to be B.

I’ll also say this. I don’t care what religion anyone I interact with is. It may be easier for me to talk about religious things with someone that has a similar religious background/beliefs as I do. But you can say the same for having a discussion based on your profession… it may be easier to talk to/work with someone on your work related things if they have knowledge about the same subject.

Effay5 on February 25, 2014 at 3:48 PM

thuja on February 25, 2014 at 3:41 PM

Well if you can’t effectively articulate a reason to vote GOP, then I see no reason to do so.

nobar on February 25, 2014 at 3:49 PM

The atheists prayed to have a booth at CPAC but God didn’t answer.

Steve Z on February 25, 2014 at 3:51 PM

I personally don’t care for militant ____ (anything).

dentarthurdent on February 25, 2014 at 3:35 PM

Exactly. Imagine Militant Conservatives. Lolz! TEA is as close as it will get. ; )

Bmore on February 25, 2014 at 3:54 PM

The religiously unaffiliated are 1/6 the population.

thuja on February 25, 2014 at 3:35 PM

But that doesn’t mean 1/6 the population is atheist… agnostic likely encompasses a larger crowd there.

I think the reason this is more newsworthy is to point out that it appears, based on the CNN article, that the main objective of their booth is to get conservative atheists “out of the closet.”

Any Christian organization at this type of event is Christians for _____, Christian Mom’s for _____. The main purpose is whatever they are FOR, not just that they are Christian.

Effay5 on February 25, 2014 at 3:55 PM

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