Quotes of the day

posted at 10:41 pm on February 25, 2014 by Allahpundit

Republican Gov. Jan Brewer faced intensifying pressure Monday from CEOs, politicians in Washington and state lawmakers in her own party to veto a bill that would allow business owners with strongly held religious beliefs to deny service to gays and lesbians

Opponents call it a license to discriminate against gays.

Similar religious protection legislation has been introduced in Ohio, Mississippi, Idaho, South Dakota, Tennessee and Oklahoma, but Arizona’s plan is the only one that has passed. The efforts are stalled in Idaho, Ohio and Kansas.

Republicans stressed that the bill is not about discrimination but protecting religious freedom. They frequently cite the case of a New Mexico photographer who was sued after refusing to take wedding pictures of a gay couple. They said Arizona needs a law to protect people in the state from heavy-handed actions by courts.

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Call it what you want — anti-gay or religious rights — but if Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signs a controversial bill, you might not be calling Arizona the home of the 2015 Super Bowl.

The Religious Freedom Restoration Act, S.B. 1062, is the current controversy du jour out of Arizona, and the National Football League is with the opposition.

“Our policies emphasize tolerance and inclusiveness and prohibit discrimination based on age, gender, race, religion, sexual orientation or any other improper standard,” NFL spokesman Greg Aiello told USA Today. “We are following the issue in Arizona and will continue to do so should the bill be signed into law, but will decline further comment at this time.”

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A personal call was placed by Apple to Arizona governor Jan Brewer, urging her to veto the state’s SB 1062 bill, which would allow Arizonans to discriminate against LGBT people (among other groups) on the basis of a religious objection. Businesses would have to uphold the state’s ruling, meaning employees of Apple’s factory as well as its retail stores there could refuse to hire or work alongside gays for personal beliefs, which probably flies in the face of Apple’s own anti-discrimination policies.

No fewer than 83 companies, inluding American Airlines and Marriott, have signed a letter supporting a veto of the bill saying that anti-gay legislation will hurt business.

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Proponents of the legislation – which Brewer has until Saturday to sign or veto and is reportedly leaning against – say the bill is designed to protect religious liberty. But many Washington Republicans see it as a political loser, giving the left another cudgel to attack conservatives as intolerant, while motivating liberals and younger voters ahead of the midterm elections. It also threatens to widen the chasm between social conservatives and GOP operatives, who have become increasingly public in their support for gay marriage.

“There are lots of economic and fiscal issues that people care pretty deeply about. I think those are good issues for us to focus on,” Sen. John Thune (R-S.D.) said Tuesday when asked about the bill, SB 1062. “We’ll stay focused on Obamacare. Those are the issues we want to talk about.”…

If Brewer signs the legislation, the major concern of party strategists is that opponents would launch an initiative drive to overturn it. A referendum in November would allow the debate about whether denying services to gays is discriminatory to simmer through November, drawing global attention and increasing turnout among younger, liberal voters. This could complicate GOP hopes of holding the open governorship and picking up targeted House seats.

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She has surprised us before, but Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer is likely going to veto the state’s controversial bill that would let businesses refuse service to gay and lesbian customers on religious grounds, a move that again shows how much national politics have moved on social issues.

The determination, first reported Tuesday by NBC News, will bolster the unconventional governor’s image as a politician escaping neat, partisan definitions. But it also reaffirms her status as a stateswoman keenly aware of the politics of the moment, both in her state and around the country…

Beyond the political calculations, Brewer, who has until Saturday to make a decision on the bill, has also proved she is not nearly as conservative as her state Legislature, or her common caricatures, would lead us to believe. She has frequently confounded her own party by standing as a bulwark against her Republican state House’s agenda, including its opposition to Medicaid expansion under Obamacare, which she embraced, or a push to allow guns on college campuses.

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Under current Arizona law, if a business wanted to discriminate against gays, they would not need this bill to be passed to do so. It is not currently illegal for a business to deny service to someone because they are gay. Some cities in Arizona have ordinances against it but there is no state law against it. If business owners in Arizona wanted to deny service to gays, they could do so in most of the state under current law.

Even though business owners across most of Arizona (and much of the United States) have the right to deny service to gays, they are not doing so. Opponents of the bill claim it would usher in an era of “Jim Crow for gays,” in which gays would be denied service at businesses across the state. If business owners really wanted to do this, though, they could already be doing it. The bill does not make that more or less likely. Business owners do not want to deny service to gays. This is not because they fear government sanction. Rather, it is because: 1) Their religious, ethical or moral beliefs tell them it is wrong to deny service; and/or, 2) the profit motive – turning away customers is no way to run a business.

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Arizona’s RFRA, as it currently stands, does not contain the necessary specificity regarding who can use RFRA for protection if the government discriminates against them because of their religious faith. Contrary to the voices that oppose protecting religious freedom for all Arizonans, Senate Bill 1062 and House Bill 2153, which were approved last week, will not allow people to do “whatever they want” in the name of religion.

The use of the amended RFRA will only come into play when the government’s law inhibits someone from freely acting in accordance with his or her faith, as has always been the case. And even then, sincerely held religious beliefs will continue to be balanced against state interests. So, Arizona will always be able to make certain things — like murder — crimes even if someone says that his religious beliefs require him to kill someone…

No Arizonan should be forced to choose between making a living and living free. An amended bill that provides a safeguard from laws that violate our First Amendment freedoms — while still letting government enact laws necessary to the common good — is a sensible one.

No court in Arizona should be able to tell you that a violation of those freedoms is just the “price of citizenship.”

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But this is another example of how this schism cannot be easily brushed aside like so many wedding cake crumbs. In recent years, libertarian-leaning conservatives have largely sided with the gay rights argument. Proud members of the “leave us alone” coalition were apt to side with a group of people who just wanted to be left alone to love the person they love (and what happens in the bedroom is nobody’s business).

At some point, however, “leave us alone” became “bake us a cake. Or else!”

The reason conservative Christians are fighting this fight today is because it’s a firewall. The real danger, of course, is that Christian pastors and preachers will eventually be coerced into performing same-sex marriages…

Gay rights and religious liberty are on a collision course.

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In T. H. White’s The Once and Future King, the nature of totalitarianism is captured in the motto “Everything not forbidden is compulsory.” Gay marriage has made the sprint from forbidden to compulsory in record time; the day before yesterday, a homosexual marriage was a legal impossibility — and today it is a crime to sit one out.

Gay Americans, like many members of minority groups, are poorly served by their self-styled leadership. Like feminists and union bosses, the leaders of the nation’s gay organizations suffer from oppression envy, likening their situation to that of black Americans — as though having to find a gay-friendly wedding planner (pro tip: try swinging a dead cat) were the moral equivalent of having spent centuries in slavery and systematic oppression under Jim Crow. Their goal is not toleration or even equal rights but official victim-group status under law and in civil society, allowing them to use the courts and other means of official coercion to impose their own values upon those who hold different values…

One of the defects of our civil-rights law is the overly broad concept of “public accommodation,” which has been expanded to include virtually every business that is open to the public. But a business is not public property; it is private property. People of good will ought to allow fairly broad leeway for how people conduct their own lives and their own business — private autonomy is, after all, a large part of the case for gay rights. If gay leaders were willing to extend to those who do not share their views the same tolerance to which they feel themselves entitled, then a modus vivendi could emerge through the healthful operations of civil society. Those who do not wish to participate in gay weddings or other events could decline to do so — and those who believe them to be bigots could take their business elsewhere. In fact, one protester of the Arizona law has precisely the right idea: Outraged by the passage of this bill, a pizza-shop operator hung a sign in his door announcing that members of the state legislature were personae non gratae in his establishment. That, and not the micromanagement of secular divines in black robes, is the way to sort out this kind of social controversy.

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I think this blog is gonna be gay for the rest of the week.

22044 on February 25, 2014 at 11:56 PM

The lesbian is starting to lose it. Oh dear.

DisneyFan on February 25, 2014 at 11:56 PM

I’m not making much of a judgement call.

Either you guys are with me and you realize gays aren’t the Klan or you’re with northdallas – crazy!

You pick. I’ve been open about my stance. I’m not being coy like you all.’

Homosexuality is an effing BEHAVIOR!
They are NOT comparable.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 25, 2014 at 11:55 PM

This what covered in my previous comment. Having gay sex is not the same as having inherent gay attractions.

HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:56 PM

Liquid Paradise

jaime on February 25, 2014 at 11:57 PM

Subjective Morals? Are you for real? In what rational world does a gay couple = the KKK?

Seriously, people!

HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:53 PM

In a world where the gay and lesbian community sends thugs to murder Christians.

Which is nothing unusual, given that gays and lesbians are bigots who want all conservatives murdered.

northdallasthirty on February 25, 2014 at 11:57 PM

HillAREwe

Bmore on February 25, 2014 at 11:58 PM

Please Hotair can we at least get trolls that understand basic Constitutional law?

melle1228 on February 25, 2014 at 11:58 PM

Ahh so I see, you want to use the government to force YOUR SUBJECTIVE MORALS on THE population…

melle1228 on February 25, 2014 at 11:51 PM

sounds like you are describing a small subset of christians that don’t like baking certain kinds of cakes. and also don’t want the state to recognize SSM.

brushingmyhair on February 25, 2014 at 11:58 PM

Help – I’m stuck in this hole I dug! Why didn’t you tell me the first rule of holes?

HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:56 PM

Geez. Do I have to keep decoding? You’re tiresome.

22044 on February 25, 2014 at 11:58 PM

So you’re perfectly OK with the 1950′s South? Heck, for that matter, you’re OK with slavery – I mean, it’s not like it’s a tax!

HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:54 PM

Slavery is not in the Constitutional right. Never was. Slavery was an accepted practice by your democrat party.

Lanceman on February 25, 2014 at 11:58 PM

sounds like you are describing a small subset of christians that don’t like baking certain kinds of cakes. and also don’t want the state to recognize SSM.

brushingmyhair on February 25, 2014 at 11:58 PM

Ha. Good one.

Finally some common sense. I was afraid the loons got out and took over!

HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:58 PM

Please Hotair can we at least get trolls that understand basic Constitutional law?

melle1228 on February 25, 2014 at 11:58 PM

HonestLib is conservative capable. The rest………

nobar on February 25, 2014 at 11:58 PM

Subjective Morals? Are you for real? In what rational world does a gay couple = the KKK? Seriously, people! HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:53 PM

You wanted equal protection? You got it.

wolly4321 on February 25, 2014 at 11:59 PM

sounds like you are describing a small subset of christians that don’t like baking certain kinds of cakes. and also don’t want the state to recognize SSM.

brushingmyhair on February 25, 2014 at 11:58 PM

How is not baking a cake in my OWN PRIVATE PROPERTY FORCING MY MORALS ON THE POPULATION?

melle1228 on February 25, 2014 at 11:59 PM

I think this blog is gonna be gay for the rest of the week.

22044 on February 25, 2014 at 11:56 PM

I may have to go get a job. Fortunately Jetboy is sleeping.

Lanceman on February 25, 2014 at 11:59 PM

sounds like you are describing a small subset of christians that don’t like baking certain kinds of cakes. and also don’t want the state to recognize SSM.

brushingmyhair on February 25, 2014 at 11:58 PM

Ha. Good one.

Finally some common sense. I was afraid the loons got out and took over!

HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:58 PM

Oh look they understand their own gibberish.

melle1228 on February 26, 2014 at 12:00 AM

SB 1062 RELIGIOUS FREEDOM: Bad for business, bad for Arizona

Oh, wait a minute …

Pork-Chop on February 26, 2014 at 12:00 AM

I believe the government has a right to force me to sing at a gay wedding as long as it’s a Mille Vanille song.

SparkPlug on February 26, 2014 at 12:00 AM

OK, Lanceman. Where in the Constitution does it say you can refuse to serve gay people?

The constitution is a framework. But we need lawyers and judges to help us actually function in a democratic, just way.

HillAREwe on February 26, 2014 at 12:00 AM

You don’t choose your race.
Homosexuality is an effing BEHAVIOR!
They are NOT comparable.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 25, 2014 at 11:55 PM

lets go to the source and ask them if their sexuality was a choice. of course you know how’ll they answer. will you accept that answer?

brushingmyhair on February 26, 2014 at 12:00 AM

According to Herrod, this specification would prevent people from using the bill to discriminate against gays in everyday life and would only allow them to refrain from being involved in promoting gay marriage if it was against their religious beliefs.

“The cake baker, the florist, the dress store owner, the photographer … in almost every one of those situations they would sell a dress to anyone, they would bake a cake for a graduation party or be the photographer for passport photos,” Herrod explained. “It’s when it crosses the line into a wedding where someone feels like that they are participating in the wedding, they are supporting the wedding, they are in a sense using their creative artistic talent to service the wedding. That’s where for many people of faith it crosses the line and they believe that their religious principles withhold that they should not be supporting a wedding.”

No discrimination of gays, just no recognition of the occasion. Seems reasonable.

monalisa on February 26, 2014 at 12:01 AM

Yay. A new troll that likes to make circular arguments.

How exciting.

kim roy on February 26, 2014 at 12:01 AM

I’m Shocked,..shocked I tells ya:

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Democrats, NEA & Public-Teachers in MASSIVE Pedophile Scandal – #SB1062 #Obamacare #tcot #ccot @ofa #trcot #ocra➤ http://is.gd/9FxrNF
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Democrats, NEA & Public-Teachers in MASSIVE Pedophile Scandal

by P.S. Read on November 2, 2013
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Americans have a hidden problem so criminal and so scandalous, that most media-outlets and most politicians dare not speak a word of it, especially during election time. But while campaigning on Virginia recently, Democrat Terry McAuliffe openly boasted, “the (NEA) National Education Association is in (his) corner and ‘going door-to-door,’ helpin’ out (his) campaign in becoming the next Virginia Governor.” There’s a reason the Teachers Union gets so active during election time, and Democrats lap-up the praise given them, despite the MASSIVE amount of child sexual-abuse perpetrated by Public School Teachers on Public School Children.

What some phrase as ”sexual misconduct” only serves to deflect the truth of what is plaguing the public schools, both in Virginia and across America.

Sure, Democrats always promise a better tomorrow for public school children. They always make the same broken promises every election cycle and do so directly to the faces of the public school parents, whose children are the quiet victims of sexual abuse. Democrats always promise education reform, but mostly in an effort to maintain the loyalty of their base.

wapo-public-school-plague

As a society, we are called on to be silent no longer. The report by the Department of Education on Child Sexual Abuse by public school teachers is

right here

http://www.scribd.com/doc/180717523/Dept-of-Edu-Public-School-Teacher-s-Child-Sex-Abuse-Scandal

and embedded at the bottom of this page.
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http://conservativereport.org/mcauliffe-nea-public-teachers-sex-abuse/

canopfor on February 26, 2014 at 12:01 AM

Subjective Morals? Are you for real? In what rational world does a gay couple = the KKK?

Seriously, people!

HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:53 PM

Wow!, now you’ve done it!

You used the word Rational. Tell ya what. I’ll entertain you
for a Minute. I’ll use the word “Honest” in association with
the word Democrat.

(Come to think of it, Sane would’ve been more apropos)

ToddPA on February 26, 2014 at 12:01 AM

My meezer is sleeping in the master bed and my torti is sleeping on the bed next to me.

Lanceman on February 26, 2014 at 12:01 AM

SparkPlug on February 26, 2014 at 12:00 AM

I’d be willing to sing Yiddish folk songs and Hatikvah at a muslim wedding.
What?

annoyinglittletwerp on February 26, 2014 at 12:02 AM

ase Hotair can we at least get trolls that understand basic Constitutional law? melle1228 on February 25, 2014 at 11:58 PM

They don’t exist. Besides,, AP only has so many characters he plays well.

wolly4321 on February 26, 2014 at 12:02 AM

How is not baking a cake in my OWN PRIVATE PROPERTY FORCING MY MORALS ON THE POPULATION?

melle1228 on February 25, 2014 at 11:59 PM

its not the not baking the cake. its the WONT LET THE STATE RECOGNIZE SSM. you can’t bake a gay wedding cake in arizona if you can get gay married in arizona in the first place.

brushingmyhair on February 26, 2014 at 12:02 AM

I think this blog is gonna be gay for the rest of the week.

22044 on February 25, 2014 at 11:56 PM

Yup, Brewer has until Saturday to decide. Could be a long week.

DisneyFan on February 26, 2014 at 12:02 AM

I’d be willing to sing Yiddish folk songs and Hatikvah at a muslim wedding.
What?

annoyinglittletwerp on February 26, 2014 at 12:02 AM

You are brave. :)

melle1228 on February 26, 2014 at 12:03 AM

Yeah, Todd. Democrats are totally insane for wanting to protect the rights of hard working, patriotic Americans. Totally insane.

Meanwhile half of you are trying to argue that the KKK has a right to force black people to take their pictures.

I’m getting grumpy now.

HillAREwe on February 26, 2014 at 12:03 AM

Ghost Of Stephen Foster

jaime on February 26, 2014 at 12:03 AM

OK, Lanceman. Where in the Constitution does it say you can refuse to serve gay people?

The constitution is a framework. But we need lawyers and judges to help us actually function in a democratic, just way.

HillAREwe on February 26, 2014 at 12:00 AM

Same place it says this guy can refuse to serve people.

David Cooley, the founder of The Abbey Food & Bar located at 692 North Robertson Blvd., has announced the popular gay bar will add any legislator in any state who votes for “bills to allow for discrimination against LGBT people” to a “Deny Entry List.”

In a statement, Cooley said The Abbey will also display headshots of each state representative who support bills on the security list, including Kansas House Bill 2453, Arizona Senate Bill 1062, Idaho House Bill 426, Ohio House Bill 82 and other similar proposals.

“I want to send a message to all those people out there who conflate Christian values with discrimination: we don’t want your kind here,” Cooley said. “I’ve learned that I can’t stop crazy, ignorant or stupid, but I can stop it from coming through my doors.”

Now watch as poor pathetic HillAREwe swallows its polluted tongue.

northdallasthirty on February 26, 2014 at 12:03 AM

Leftist academia, thugs on display “in the name of justice“.

Gays and racism are in here too.

Oppression of free speech doctrine.

Schadenfreude on February 26, 2014 at 12:03 AM

OK, Lanceman. Where in the Constitution does it say you can refuse to serve gay people?

The constitution is a framework. But we need lawyers and judges to help us actually function in a democratic, just way.

HillAREwe on February 26, 2014 at 12:00 AM

Here you go:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

nobar on February 26, 2014 at 12:03 AM

HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:54 PM

let’s say you own a security business. The Westboro Baptist “Church” calls you and says they want you to provide security. Does the state have the right to force you to accept their business?

kcewa on February 26, 2014 at 12:03 AM

Where in the Constitution does it say you can refuse to serve gay people?

The constitution is a framework. But we need lawyers and judges to help us actually function in a democratic, just way.

HillAREwe on February 26, 2014 at 12:00 AM

Where does it say we have to? And we do not live in a democracy. Democracy is literally mob-rule. The Founders were afraid of that. The ‘mob’ can be steered by a few via such things as pop-culture, ‘public’ schools, etc. And they knew it.

Lanceman on February 26, 2014 at 12:04 AM

annoyinglittletwerp on February 26, 2014 at 12:02 AM

Cool beans. I’ll play the kazoo.

SparkPlug on February 26, 2014 at 12:04 AM

its not the not baking the cake. its the WONT LET THE STATE RECOGNIZE SSM. you can’t bake a gay wedding cake in arizona if you can get gay married in arizona in the first place.

brushingmyhair on February 26, 2014 at 12:02 AM

Lol. Of course you can bake a wedding cake in a place that doesn’t have SSM. WTF?

DisneyFan on February 26, 2014 at 12:04 AM

Yup, Brewer has until Saturday to decide. Could be a long week.

DisneyFan on February 26, 2014 at 12:02 AM

C’mon. She’s gonna fold. Calling obama a liar is one thing. This is another.

Lanceman on February 26, 2014 at 12:04 AM

My meezer is sleeping in the master bed and my torti is sleeping on the bed next to me.

Lanceman on February 26, 2014 at 12:01 AM

Sanest thing I’ve read on this thread…

OmahaConservative on February 26, 2014 at 12:05 AM

I believe the government has a right to force me to sing at a gay wedding as long as it’s a Mille Vanille song.

SparkPlug on February 26, 2014 at 12:00 AM

SparkPlug: Lets try Gino,—-:)

Gino Vanelli – Black Cars 1985
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkNVtpRLd-A

canopfor on February 26, 2014 at 12:05 AM

brushingmyhair on February 26, 2014 at 12:00 AM

Being BORN that way doesn’t mean that they need to ACT that way.

Behavior is a CHOICE.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 26, 2014 at 12:05 AM

HillAREwe on February 26, 2014 at 12:03 AM

I thought the woman that put meth in her own baby’s bottle was one of the stupidest people I had ever encountered, but you may be giving her a run for the title.

melle1228 on February 26, 2014 at 12:05 AM

I’m getting even dumber now. You didn’t think that was possible, yet…

HillAREwe on February 26, 2014 at 12:03 AM

Still going.

22044 on February 26, 2014 at 12:06 AM

Lanceman, why do you think the founders were afraid of democracy? If blacks and women and non-landowners had the right to equal representation in government; the founders would have no power!

I think it’s cute when people get all dreamy about the founders. Like I pointed out in the past. We are better off since them. We have progressed as a society. Allowing discrimination against those in the LGBT+ community is not moving in the right direction.

HillAREwe on February 26, 2014 at 12:06 AM

Yeah, Todd. Democrats are totally insane for wanting to protect the rights of hard working, patriotic Americans. Totally insane.

Meanwhile half of you are trying to argue that the KKK has a right to force black people to take their pictures.

I’m getting grumpy now.

HillAREwe on February 26, 2014 at 12:03 AM

Wow, you threw up quite a bit there…easy now.

Good night all, and go easy on AntHill.

ToddPA on February 26, 2014 at 12:06 AM

Lanceman on February 26, 2014 at 12:04 AM

Yep-just like she folded on Zerocare.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 26, 2014 at 12:06 AM

Yeah, Todd. Democrats are totally insane for wanting to protect the rights of hard working, patriotic Americans. Totally insane.

HillAREwe on February 26, 2014 at 12:03 AM

Actually, the Obama Party and its GayKKK supporters say that people who don’t vote for Obama should be stripped of their rights and kill themselves.

It also calls for women who don’t support Barack Obama to be raped.

So your lies don’t work here. Maybe if you were an intelligent person instead of a desperate and stupid lesbian you would have less problem.

northdallasthirty on February 26, 2014 at 12:06 AM

Lanceman, why do you think the founders were afraid of democracy? If blacks and women and non-landowners had the right to equal representation in government; the founders would have no power!

HillAREwe on February 26, 2014 at 12:06 AM

Do you even see the idiocy of that statement? If the Founders weren’t the Founders we wouldn’t have a country, dumbass! We’d still be British subjects! How ignorant can you get?

Lanceman on February 26, 2014 at 12:07 AM

Lanceman, why do you think the founders were afraid of democracy? If blacks and women and non-landowners had the right to equal representation in government; the founders would have no power!

I think it’s cute when people get all dreamy about the founders. Like I pointed out in the past. We are better off since them. We have progressed as a society. Allowing discrimination against those in the LGBT+ community is not moving in the right direction.

HillAREwe on February 26, 2014 at 12:06 AM

LOL.

We think it’s funny that you compare the Founders to Rachel Jeantel and Trayvon Martin.

northdallasthirty on February 26, 2014 at 12:07 AM

canopfor on February 26, 2014 at 12:01 AM

Since it’s Ds, they’ll run for office and be lauded.

Schadenfreude on February 26, 2014 at 12:07 AM

Being BORN that way doesn’t mean that they need to ACT that way.

Behavior is a CHOICE.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 26, 2014 at 12:05 AM

Unlike you, normal people don’t repress their inner feelings – the way they are!

HillAREwe on February 26, 2014 at 12:07 AM

C’mon. She’s gonna fold. Calling obama a liar is one thing. This is another.

Lanceman on February 26, 2014 at 12:04 AM

Well, I want her to veto, and I agree that she probably will, but she could wait until Friday or so to announce, so we might be seeing a lot more AZ gay threads this week.

DisneyFan on February 26, 2014 at 12:08 AM

Meanwhile half of you are trying to argue that the KKK has a right to force black people to take their pictures.

HillAREwe on February 26, 2014 at 12:03 AM

No, I believe that you are making that argument now. It’s OK to discriminate against (refuse to serve) a group of people (the KKK) because you have made a judgment that they are evil (that you disagree with what they stand for).

Alien on February 26, 2014 at 12:08 AM

Unlike you, normal people don’t repress their inner feelings – the way they are!

HillAREwe on February 26, 2014 at 12:07 AM

So NAMBLA is just a bunch of normal people, eh?

Lanceman on February 26, 2014 at 12:08 AM

Lanceman,

You can be against both the British and the way the Founders handled themselves.

At least I can say what was wrong with them. I don’t feel the need to defend 100% of what they did.

HillAREwe on February 26, 2014 at 12:09 AM

I guess the lesbian HillAREwe is scared to answer the question of where the constitutional right of this guy to deny service to people with whom he disagrees is located.

David Cooley, the founder of The Abbey Food & Bar located at 692 North Robertson Blvd., has announced the popular gay bar will add any legislator in any state who votes for “bills to allow for discrimination against LGBT people” to a “Deny Entry List.”

In a statement, Cooley said The Abbey will also display headshots of each state representative who support bills on the security list, including Kansas House Bill 2453, Arizona Senate Bill 1062, Idaho House Bill 426, Ohio House Bill 82 and other similar proposals.

“I want to send a message to all those people out there who conflate Christian values with discrimination: we don’t want your kind here,” Cooley said. “I’ve learned that I can’t stop crazy, ignorant or stupid, but I can stop it from coming through my doors.”

northdallasthirty on February 26, 2014 at 12:09 AM

So HillAREwe is a pajama boy. He’s attracted to the womynz.

22044 on February 26, 2014 at 12:09 AM

rogerb will have a blast.

Schadenfreude on February 26, 2014 at 12:09 AM

Fall

jaime on February 26, 2014 at 12:09 AM

O/T –
Here’s a good article I found for y’all. It’s about one of the underreported issues in medicine. It’s by John C. Goodman on Townhall.com on 2/22/2014. The title is Worse than death Panels:Cookbook medicine.

Worse than Death Panels

And it has absolutely nothing to do with the
gheys.

Doc Holliday on February 26, 2014 at 12:09 AM

Alien,

Do you think someone that thinks the KKK isn’t evil is insane?

I do. I want your answer though.

HillAREwe on February 26, 2014 at 12:10 AM

Lanceman,

You can be against both the British and the way the Founders handled themselves.

At least I can say what was wrong with them. I don’t feel the need to defend 100% of what they did.

HillAREwe on February 26, 2014 at 12:09 AM

No, you just bash everything they did.

Which makes sense. They were accomplished and intelligent individuals, while you’re none of the above; you’re just a vagina and a sexual orientation, and you don’t even do THOSE well.

northdallasthirty on February 26, 2014 at 12:10 AM

You can be against both the British and the way the Founders handled themselves.

At least I can say what was wrong with them. I don’t feel the need to defend 100% of what they did.

HillAREwe on February 26, 2014 at 12:09 AM

Sounds to me you need to go found your own country. YOU wouldn’t be here had the Founders not ‘been’.

Lanceman on February 26, 2014 at 12:10 AM

Good night all. Have fun with the new troll. You have more patience than I.

melle1228 on February 26, 2014 at 12:10 AM

Hi Doc.

KCB on February 26, 2014 at 12:11 AM

Being BORN that way doesn’t mean that they need to ACT that way.

Behavior is a CHOICE.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 26, 2014 at 12:05 AM

so because of your particular subjective moral belief that should trump how they should or shouldn’t act? and whether or not they should have all the freedoms of any other american?

brushingmyhair on February 26, 2014 at 12:11 AM

so because of your particular subjective moral belief that should trump how they should or shouldn’t act? and whether or not they should have all the freedoms of any other american?

brushingmyhair on February 26, 2014 at 12:11 AM

They do have the same freedoms as any other American, sweetie.

Lanceman on February 26, 2014 at 12:12 AM

HillAREwe on February 26, 2014 at 12:07 AM

So you’d be fine if I was out shopping and suddenly decided to start playing tonsil hockey w/ my husband?
Cool beans!
///

annoyinglittletwerp on February 26, 2014 at 12:12 AM

Hi KCB.

Doc Holliday on February 26, 2014 at 12:13 AM

brushingmyhair on February 26, 2014 at 12:11 AM

They already have as much right to marry a member of the opposite sex as anyone.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 26, 2014 at 12:13 AM

Ugh. More gay posts. I get really tired of teh gheys trying to relate to the blacks in the Civil Rights Era. There is absolutely nothing comparable in the two.

Doc Holliday on February 26, 2014 at 12:14 AM

Alien,

Do you think someone that thinks the KKK isn’t evil is insane?

I do. I want your answer though.

HillAREwe on February 26, 2014 at 12:10 AM

I don’t make judgements on others’ sanity. I am concerned, though, when someone can’t see, refuses to see, that “equal protection under the law” is a two-way street. But you aren’t interested in answering the scenarios that have been proposed that address that topic, are you?

Alien on February 26, 2014 at 12:14 AM

The way SB 1062 is written (see here) promotes religious bigotry.

piniella on February 26, 2014 at 12:14 AM

Worse than Death Panels

Doc Holliday on February 26, 2014 at 12:09 AM

This doesn’t sound good at all.

KCB on February 26, 2014 at 12:15 AM

Zoot Suit Riot

jaime on February 26, 2014 at 12:15 AM

Clearly I’m letting some of you bother me more than I should.

I think this will be vetoed. I’m hurt that so many of you consider gays and lesbians to be second class citizens. I don’t for very personal, real reasons.

I hope what I’m saying will at least get a few of you to think differently.

I will agree with you on this. No government rule will change the bigotry people have – it will just constrain how they practice it.

HillAREwe on February 26, 2014 at 12:16 AM

They do have the same freedoms as any other American, sweetie.

Lanceman on February 26, 2014 at 12:12 AM

most states you can freely discriminate against gays. you can fire them, deny them a place to live, refuse them service, etc etc

even in arizona wether this bill passes or not. there is no protection for gay people. remember how ENDA didn’t pass?

brushingmyhair on February 26, 2014 at 12:16 AM

canopfor on February 26, 2014 at 12:01 AM

Since it’s Ds, they’ll run for office and be lauded.

Schadenfreude on February 26, 2014 at 12:07 AM

Schadenfreunde: Yup,..resume’ enhancement:)

canopfor on February 26, 2014 at 12:16 AM

Hi KCB.

Doc Holliday on February 26, 2014 at 12:13 AM

We call him Ken, doctorb.

Lanceman on February 26, 2014 at 12:17 AM

This reminds me of the cabbies in Minnesota who, because of a Sharia Law, would not carry passengers with booze or dogs.
I’m betting the Hair would make them hide their goats.

HillC Liver Spot on February 26, 2014 at 12:17 AM

Where in the Constitution does it say you can refuse to serve gay people?

More to the point: Where in the Bible is serving gay people prohibited?

piniella on February 26, 2014 at 12:17 AM

t should trump how they should or shouldn’t act? and whether or not they should have all the freedoms of any other american? brushingmyhair on February 26, 2014 at 12:11 AM

What freedom do I have under the Constitution that they don’t?

wolly4321 on February 26, 2014 at 12:17 AM

No government rule will change the bigotry people have – it will just constrain how they practice it.

Which explains your MO.
Use government to implement your perversion.

Murphy9 on February 26, 2014 at 12:18 AM

This doesn’t sound good at all.

KCB on February 26, 2014 at 12:15 AM

yeah, like the author said, they are supposed to be guidelines. However, non medical types involved in the business of medicine want absolutes–but patients are not cakes, so the cookbook approach is often not helpful. Also, the cookbook strategies often refer to one illness, but I have rarely seen a patient who didn’t have confounding factors due to a multitude of other problems, especially in the hospital.

Doc Holliday on February 26, 2014 at 12:18 AM

Hey Doc. Single payer.
G’night all…

OmahaConservative on February 26, 2014 at 12:18 AM

HillAREwe on February 26, 2014 at 12:16 AM

It’s about freedom. It’s that simple. It’s not nuanced, bigoted, or homophobic. Individual, Personal Freedom.

KCB on February 26, 2014 at 12:18 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RQVSHfuPCQ

Hillarewe, brushing, and might is rights way.

fking fascists.

Murphy9 on February 26, 2014 at 12:18 AM

We call him Ken, doctorb.

Lanceman on February 26, 2014 at 12:17 AM

Please do Doc!

KCB on February 26, 2014 at 12:19 AM

most states you can freely discriminate against gays. you can fire them, deny them a place to live, refuse them service, etc etc

even in arizona wether this bill passes or not. there is no protection for gay people. remember how ENDA didn’t pass?

brushingmyhair on February 26, 2014 at 12:16 AM

I’d like you to find me that state. There’s only 57 of them. Shouldn’t be too hard.

Lanceman on February 26, 2014 at 12:19 AM

Lance, are you on the way of conversion yet?

Schadenfreude on February 26, 2014 at 12:20 AM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on February 26, 2014 at 12:20 AM

jaime on February 26, 2014 at 12:15 AM

I bought the cassette when that group first hit the scene. Yeah-it was that long ago.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 26, 2014 at 12:20 AM

Good night OC.

KCB on February 26, 2014 at 12:20 AM

Otay,..me is going, all this SB 1062 talk,
has inspired me to bake a cake!

GoodNight Everyone—————–:)

canopfor on February 26, 2014 at 12:20 AM

most states you can freely discriminate against gays. you can fire them, deny them a place to live, refuse them service, etc etc

even in arizona wether this bill passes or not. there is no protection for gay people. remember how ENDA didn’t pass?

brushingmyhair on February 26, 2014 at 12:16 AM

Oh really, care to give some examples?

cabra viejo on February 26, 2014 at 12:20 AM

Good night Canada.

KCB on February 26, 2014 at 12:21 AM

Do you think someone that thinks the KKK isn’t evil is insane?

I do. I want your answer though.

HillAREwe on February 26, 2014 at 12:10 AM

That you cannot see the hypocrisy of stating that the KKK are evil, while asserting that Homosexuality is normal is amusing. Both are judgement calls. One you support, the other you oppose. You assert that you have a right to make your judgement call, while at the exact same time denying anyone else the right to make their own judgement call. Christianity has defined homosexuality as an evil abomination for 2000 years, but you assert that you have a superior right to make judgement calls while asserting that practicing Christians have no such right. You are a fascist and a hypocrite.

oscarwilde on February 26, 2014 at 12:21 AM

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