Quotes of the day

posted at 10:41 pm on February 25, 2014 by Allahpundit

Republican Gov. Jan Brewer faced intensifying pressure Monday from CEOs, politicians in Washington and state lawmakers in her own party to veto a bill that would allow business owners with strongly held religious beliefs to deny service to gays and lesbians

Opponents call it a license to discriminate against gays.

Similar religious protection legislation has been introduced in Ohio, Mississippi, Idaho, South Dakota, Tennessee and Oklahoma, but Arizona’s plan is the only one that has passed. The efforts are stalled in Idaho, Ohio and Kansas.

Republicans stressed that the bill is not about discrimination but protecting religious freedom. They frequently cite the case of a New Mexico photographer who was sued after refusing to take wedding pictures of a gay couple. They said Arizona needs a law to protect people in the state from heavy-handed actions by courts.

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Call it what you want — anti-gay or religious rights — but if Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signs a controversial bill, you might not be calling Arizona the home of the 2015 Super Bowl.

The Religious Freedom Restoration Act, S.B. 1062, is the current controversy du jour out of Arizona, and the National Football League is with the opposition.

“Our policies emphasize tolerance and inclusiveness and prohibit discrimination based on age, gender, race, religion, sexual orientation or any other improper standard,” NFL spokesman Greg Aiello told USA Today. “We are following the issue in Arizona and will continue to do so should the bill be signed into law, but will decline further comment at this time.”

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A personal call was placed by Apple to Arizona governor Jan Brewer, urging her to veto the state’s SB 1062 bill, which would allow Arizonans to discriminate against LGBT people (among other groups) on the basis of a religious objection. Businesses would have to uphold the state’s ruling, meaning employees of Apple’s factory as well as its retail stores there could refuse to hire or work alongside gays for personal beliefs, which probably flies in the face of Apple’s own anti-discrimination policies.

No fewer than 83 companies, inluding American Airlines and Marriott, have signed a letter supporting a veto of the bill saying that anti-gay legislation will hurt business.

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Proponents of the legislation – which Brewer has until Saturday to sign or veto and is reportedly leaning against – say the bill is designed to protect religious liberty. But many Washington Republicans see it as a political loser, giving the left another cudgel to attack conservatives as intolerant, while motivating liberals and younger voters ahead of the midterm elections. It also threatens to widen the chasm between social conservatives and GOP operatives, who have become increasingly public in their support for gay marriage.

“There are lots of economic and fiscal issues that people care pretty deeply about. I think those are good issues for us to focus on,” Sen. John Thune (R-S.D.) said Tuesday when asked about the bill, SB 1062. “We’ll stay focused on Obamacare. Those are the issues we want to talk about.”…

If Brewer signs the legislation, the major concern of party strategists is that opponents would launch an initiative drive to overturn it. A referendum in November would allow the debate about whether denying services to gays is discriminatory to simmer through November, drawing global attention and increasing turnout among younger, liberal voters. This could complicate GOP hopes of holding the open governorship and picking up targeted House seats.

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She has surprised us before, but Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer is likely going to veto the state’s controversial bill that would let businesses refuse service to gay and lesbian customers on religious grounds, a move that again shows how much national politics have moved on social issues.

The determination, first reported Tuesday by NBC News, will bolster the unconventional governor’s image as a politician escaping neat, partisan definitions. But it also reaffirms her status as a stateswoman keenly aware of the politics of the moment, both in her state and around the country…

Beyond the political calculations, Brewer, who has until Saturday to make a decision on the bill, has also proved she is not nearly as conservative as her state Legislature, or her common caricatures, would lead us to believe. She has frequently confounded her own party by standing as a bulwark against her Republican state House’s agenda, including its opposition to Medicaid expansion under Obamacare, which she embraced, or a push to allow guns on college campuses.

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Under current Arizona law, if a business wanted to discriminate against gays, they would not need this bill to be passed to do so. It is not currently illegal for a business to deny service to someone because they are gay. Some cities in Arizona have ordinances against it but there is no state law against it. If business owners in Arizona wanted to deny service to gays, they could do so in most of the state under current law.

Even though business owners across most of Arizona (and much of the United States) have the right to deny service to gays, they are not doing so. Opponents of the bill claim it would usher in an era of “Jim Crow for gays,” in which gays would be denied service at businesses across the state. If business owners really wanted to do this, though, they could already be doing it. The bill does not make that more or less likely. Business owners do not want to deny service to gays. This is not because they fear government sanction. Rather, it is because: 1) Their religious, ethical or moral beliefs tell them it is wrong to deny service; and/or, 2) the profit motive – turning away customers is no way to run a business.

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Arizona’s RFRA, as it currently stands, does not contain the necessary specificity regarding who can use RFRA for protection if the government discriminates against them because of their religious faith. Contrary to the voices that oppose protecting religious freedom for all Arizonans, Senate Bill 1062 and House Bill 2153, which were approved last week, will not allow people to do “whatever they want” in the name of religion.

The use of the amended RFRA will only come into play when the government’s law inhibits someone from freely acting in accordance with his or her faith, as has always been the case. And even then, sincerely held religious beliefs will continue to be balanced against state interests. So, Arizona will always be able to make certain things — like murder — crimes even if someone says that his religious beliefs require him to kill someone…

No Arizonan should be forced to choose between making a living and living free. An amended bill that provides a safeguard from laws that violate our First Amendment freedoms — while still letting government enact laws necessary to the common good — is a sensible one.

No court in Arizona should be able to tell you that a violation of those freedoms is just the “price of citizenship.”

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But this is another example of how this schism cannot be easily brushed aside like so many wedding cake crumbs. In recent years, libertarian-leaning conservatives have largely sided with the gay rights argument. Proud members of the “leave us alone” coalition were apt to side with a group of people who just wanted to be left alone to love the person they love (and what happens in the bedroom is nobody’s business).

At some point, however, “leave us alone” became “bake us a cake. Or else!”

The reason conservative Christians are fighting this fight today is because it’s a firewall. The real danger, of course, is that Christian pastors and preachers will eventually be coerced into performing same-sex marriages…

Gay rights and religious liberty are on a collision course.

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In T. H. White’s The Once and Future King, the nature of totalitarianism is captured in the motto “Everything not forbidden is compulsory.” Gay marriage has made the sprint from forbidden to compulsory in record time; the day before yesterday, a homosexual marriage was a legal impossibility — and today it is a crime to sit one out.

Gay Americans, like many members of minority groups, are poorly served by their self-styled leadership. Like feminists and union bosses, the leaders of the nation’s gay organizations suffer from oppression envy, likening their situation to that of black Americans — as though having to find a gay-friendly wedding planner (pro tip: try swinging a dead cat) were the moral equivalent of having spent centuries in slavery and systematic oppression under Jim Crow. Their goal is not toleration or even equal rights but official victim-group status under law and in civil society, allowing them to use the courts and other means of official coercion to impose their own values upon those who hold different values…

One of the defects of our civil-rights law is the overly broad concept of “public accommodation,” which has been expanded to include virtually every business that is open to the public. But a business is not public property; it is private property. People of good will ought to allow fairly broad leeway for how people conduct their own lives and their own business — private autonomy is, after all, a large part of the case for gay rights. If gay leaders were willing to extend to those who do not share their views the same tolerance to which they feel themselves entitled, then a modus vivendi could emerge through the healthful operations of civil society. Those who do not wish to participate in gay weddings or other events could decline to do so — and those who believe them to be bigots could take their business elsewhere. In fact, one protester of the Arizona law has precisely the right idea: Outraged by the passage of this bill, a pizza-shop operator hung a sign in his door announcing that members of the state legislature were personae non gratae in his establishment. That, and not the micromanagement of secular divines in black robes, is the way to sort out this kind of social controversy.

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In the case of the baker, I don’t think she refused the gays service. They had been previous customers. She just didn’t want to make them a “wedding cake”. There was no discrimination to the individual gays. I don’t see anything wrong with that.

monalisa on February 25, 2014 at 11:36 PM

Lanceman on February 25, 2014 at 11:33 PM

No, its always been that way. Just making an observation as to how someone might miss that. Someone who supposedly reads the quotes and or posted video and audio. Always leaves me dumbfounded that lack of awareness.

Bmore on February 25, 2014 at 11:36 PM

Um, honey, puhlease.

But that makes a business discriminating against someone a ok?

HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:32 PM

Um honey, puhleeze.

We’ve already established black is a race and homosexuality is a behavior.

Should child molesters be allowed to work at daycare centers or is that biiiiigotry?

Lanceman on February 25, 2014 at 11:36 PM

A business should be able to deny service to anyone it wants. If that business wants lots of money, they’ll cater to the bottom line, not who is “the bottom” in a gay relationship. There’s really no reason for the government to pass legislation either way, and it’s certainly not the judicial branch’s business to cater to lawsuits against businessess who refuse service to homosexual customers.

SouthernGent on February 25, 2014 at 11:32 PM

Meh! +1000

Yes, this bill is completely redundant, and should be redundant!

melle1228 on February 25, 2014 at 11:36 PM

We got a race baiter here. Yawn.

tommy71 on February 25, 2014 at 11:36 PM

Dang. 2 trolls on QOTD. Either OFA is desperate or Allahpundit is bored.

22044 on February 25, 2014 at 11:33 PM

If we push them hard enough, they won’t be here much longer.

Already lost one today, 3 bans in a day is statistic.

nobar on February 25, 2014 at 11:36 PM

This brings us to another fiction: Barack Obama as educated man.

If we were to mention, again, that he thought “Austrian” was spoken in Austria, pronounced “corpsman” “corpse-man” (three times in one speech) or that he called the “transcontinental” railroad the “intercontinental” one (Amtrak to Bangkok, anyone?), we’d obviously have to be racists. After all, anyone can make a mistake. But it’s one thing to commit a Spoonerism and say “a scoop of boy trouts” or, like Dan Quayle, correct a spelling-bee participant based upon the antiquated word form “potatoe” (which The New York Times used as recently as 1988). But then there are those mistakes indicating that, just perhaps, you don’t really possess the knowledge base one might expect from an educated Western gentleman.

But he’s the first gay president. Clinton was the first black president. One of the illustrious trolls told us yesterday that we can each choose our race, that obama can choose his. So, Bill Clinton beat obama.

Schadenfreude on February 25, 2014 at 11:36 PM

Not very good though, are they?

Bmore on February 25, 2014 at 11:34 PM

They drew the short straws. :)

Looks like you Bished the Lanceman, though!

22044 on February 25, 2014 at 11:37 PM

Are you OK with businesses refusing to serve Blacks? Because this is essentially the same thing.

Then again, some of you were longing for the pre emancipation era the other night.

HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:20 PMHillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:20 PM

Guess the whole “Judge a man by the Content of his character,
NOT the color of his Skin” quote never registered in
that Cerebrum of yours huh?

What I bolded is Pure 14K Stupidity..Congrats, you
just made the HA hall of Fame.

ToddPA on February 25, 2014 at 11:37 PM

Having gay sex is a behavior, Lanceman. Wanting to be with a person of your own sex is not. There are things you just can’t change.

But, hey, why not willy nilly discriminate, right?

HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:37 PM

The dumb Hillchick is the only one who doesn’t get Spark.

Schadenfreude on February 25, 2014 at 11:37 PM

I saw your post about QOTD….

KCB on February 25, 2014 at 11:35 PM

Lolz! Apparently Lance did as well. ; )

Bmore on February 25, 2014 at 11:37 PM

tommy71 on February 25, 2014 at 11:36 PM

Whatcha cooking tonight? I stuck two blacks in the microwave. I’m having a whitie for desert.

SparkPlug on February 25, 2014 at 11:37 PM

Why are liberals so fking retarted?

Murphy9 on February 25, 2014 at 11:35 PM

Yes, good question. The better question is: Is it pointless to argue with a retard?

jaime on February 25, 2014 at 11:37 PM

Look, this is personal for me. I just get a little tired of this crap.

And your boycotts do nothing for the black family that can’t get a hotel room or food due to racial bigotry.

HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:30 PM

Who cares what you think, raping and lynching supporter?

northdallasthirty on February 25, 2014 at 11:37 PM

Already lost one today

nobar on February 25, 2014 at 11:36 PM

WHO???

Lanceman on February 25, 2014 at 11:38 PM

Hey, Shatfreude, take peddle your crap to someone that won’t be affected by this crazy law.

HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:33 PM

The bill is going to be vetoed instead of becoming a law, but are you saying you’re a gay person who lives in Arizona?

DisneyFan on February 25, 2014 at 11:38 PM

What Jaime said…X2

annoyinglittletwerp on February 25, 2014 at 11:38 PM

What? You can’t read?

NO

NO

NO!

Was it not clear in my response?

HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:34 PM

Why not? Why doesn’t a gay caterer have to bake a cake for the Westboro Baptist Church. If the Westboro Baptist Church had a bakery, you are saying they would have to bake a cake for the gay couple, so why not the reverse?

melle1228 on February 25, 2014 at 11:38 PM

you know it would be nice if some christians did bake a big old SORRY WE BEEN VILIFYING YOU GUYS WE PROMISE TO DO BETTER cake for the gays. that would go a long way i feel.

brushingmyhair on February 25, 2014 at 11:35 PM

Why be nice to people who endorse giving children and teenagers HIV?

northdallasthirty on February 25, 2014 at 11:38 PM

d your boycotts do nothing for the black family that can’t get a hotel room or food due to racial bigotry. HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:30 PM

Blacks can’t get food or motels???

I didn’t know that. Now I’m mad..

Please expound on that.

I just didn’t know that was happening.

Hitlery will fix it. First lezzy of Arkansas.

wolly4321 on February 25, 2014 at 11:38 PM

Since the topic is about freedom I thought I would link this. I don’t think these people would support giving the state power to force people to act against their conscience. What do you guys think?

“I walked from Iran to Sweden for 11 months with my guitar” – - meet the Iranian exiles who have found freedom of expression through music – forbidden in their native country: http://bbc.in/1leyI55 #freedom2014

kcewa on February 25, 2014 at 11:38 PM

The bill is going to be vetoed instead of becoming a law, but are you saying you’re a gay person who lives in Arizona?

DisneyFan on February 25, 2014 at 11:38 PM

I don’t live in Arizona, but I do travel.

I hope the bill is vetoed. I’m just saddened and hurt that there are so many people that have no problems discriminating against the LGBT+ community.

HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:39 PM

Having gay sex is a behavior, Lanceman. Wanting to be with a person of your own sex is not. There are things you just can’t change.

But, hey, why not willy nilly discriminate, right?

HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:37 PM

Again, your point is? Because I’ve lived with people of the same sex. We just didn’t do it.

Lanceman on February 25, 2014 at 11:39 PM

Blacks can’t get food or motels???

I didn’t know that. Now I’m mad..

Please expound on that.

I just didn’t know that was happening.

Hitlery will fix it. First lezzy of Arkansas.

wolly4321 on February 25, 2014 at 11:38 PM

Apparently liberals think that the only way that blacks are able to get hotel rooms is because the government ensures it.

melle1228 on February 25, 2014 at 11:40 PM

A business should be able to deny service to anyone it wants. If that business wants lots of money, they’ll cater to the bottom line, not who is “the bottom” in a gay relationship. There’s really no reason for the government to pass legislation either way, and it’s certainly not the judicial branch’s business to cater to lawsuits against businessess who refuse service to homosexual customers.

SouthernGent on February 25, 2014 at 11:32 PM

SouthernGent: Well said——————–:0

canopfor on February 25, 2014 at 11:40 PM

WHO???

Lanceman on February 25, 2014 at 11:38 PM

liberaldrools

wonder if he’s reading this

22044 on February 25, 2014 at 11:40 PM

Booty Swing

jaime on February 25, 2014 at 11:40 PM

Opponents call it a license to discriminate against gays.

I want a license to discriminate against using the word discriminate solely as a negative social activity.

Cleombrotus on February 25, 2014 at 11:40 PM

Look, this is personal for me.

HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:30 PM

Sure it is.

Schadenfreude on February 25, 2014 at 11:40 PM

Blacks can’t get food or motels???

I didn’t know that. Now I’m mad..

Please expound on that.

I just didn’t know that was happening.

Hitlery will fix it. First lezzy of Arkansas.

wolly4321 on February 25, 2014 at 11:38 PM

You can thank the Big Evil Federal Government for that lack of bigotry.

And will someone put a leash on northdallas. I can only take so much crazy.

HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:40 PM

And your boycotts do nothing for the black family that can’t get a hotel room or food due to racial bigotry.

HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:30 PM

Actually they did.

kcewa on February 25, 2014 at 11:41 PM

First lezzy of Arkansas.

wolly4321 on February 25, 2014 at 11:38 PM

Watch it, Jackson. We did not like her.

liberaldrools

wonder if he’s reading this

22044 on February 25, 2014 at 11:40 PM

Got a link? That was libtard4life.

Lanceman on February 25, 2014 at 11:41 PM

Having gay sex is a behavior, Lanceman. Wanting to be with a person of your own sex is not. There are things you just can’t change.

HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:37 PM

Lie.

Prior to meeting Mr. de Blasio, Ms. McCray identified as a lesbian and had several long-term relationships with other women. In a seven-page essay she wrote for the September 1979 issue of Essence magazine entitled “I am a Lesbian” she frankly discussed her sexuality and expressed gratitude that she came to terms with her preference for women before marrying a man.

“I survived the tears, the isolation and the feeling that something was terribly wrong with me for loving another woman” Ms. McCray wrote. “Coming to terms with my life as a lesbian has been easier for me than it has been for many. Since I don’t look or dress like the typical bulldagger, I have a choice as to whether my sexual preference is known.”

She added, “I have also been fortunate because I discovered my preference for women early, before getting locked into a traditional marriage and having children.”

northdallasthirty on February 25, 2014 at 11:41 PM

Having gay sex is a behavior, Lanceman. Wanting to be with a person of your own sex is not. There are things you just can’t change.

But, hey, why not willy nilly discriminate, right?

HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:37 PM

Anne Heche, Cynthia Nixon, Mrs. DiBlasio, Jason Collins, would all disagree.

monalisa on February 25, 2014 at 11:42 PM

Lanceman, I know you’re smarter than that.

HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:42 PM

Lolz! Apparently Lance did as well. ; )

Bmore on February 25, 2014 at 11:37 PM

He wants to be Danceman tonight. I don’t know why.

KCB on February 25, 2014 at 11:42 PM

I do travel to the rest of the house, when I’m allowed out of the basement. But I keep my pajamas on.

HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:39 PM

Edited for accuracy. :)

22044 on February 25, 2014 at 11:42 PM

22044 on February 25, 2014 at 11:40 PM

A big BYE from all! Lolz! HeIIfire, I can’t even remember which thread it was, can you?

Bmore on February 25, 2014 at 11:42 PM

Ya know,..the next thing I’ll be reading, is some moronic idiotic
comment from a Lefty as to how Gays in Arizona will be told to get
to the back of the bus, and not be served in restaraunts!!!!!!!!!

canopfor on February 25, 2014 at 11:42 PM

Of course a late term aborted fetus isn’t a person so popping one in the toaster over with some cheese makes for a nice snack.

SparkPlug on February 25, 2014 at 11:42 PM

I hope the bill is vetoed. I’m just saddened and hurt that there are so many people that have no problems discriminating against the LGBT+ community.

HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:39 PM

No, what we have a problem with is ANYONE using the government to force someone/ANYONE to make them a cake… As Southern gent said, a private business should be able to refuse service for any reason. It is their property, they have the freedom to associate even barring religious reasons. Screw the gay reasons.. MMMKAY…

melle1228 on February 25, 2014 at 11:43 PM

Are you also planning on boycotting the businesses that don’t serve gays? Didn’t think so.

Look, this is personal for me. I just get a little tired of this crap.

And your boycotts do nothing for the black family that can’t get a hotel room or food due to racial bigotry.

HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:30 PM

yes.

kcewa on February 25, 2014 at 11:43 PM

I’m just saddened and hurt that there are so many people that have no problems discriminating against the LGBT+ community.

HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:39 PM

Just quit shoving your filthy and deviant ‘lifestyle’ down our throats…

OmahaConservative on February 25, 2014 at 11:43 PM

Why not? Why doesn’t a gay caterer have to bake a cake for the Westboro Baptist Church. If the Westboro Baptist Church had a bakery, you are saying they would have to bake a cake for the gay couple, so why not the reverse?

melle1228 on February 25, 2014 at 11:38 PM

I know you’re eagerly awaiting my reply.

Go back and look at my post.

I think comparing a gay person to the KKK is like comparing apples and oranges – both are fruits (no pun intended) but totally different categories.

HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:43 PM

Here ya go Lance. It starts here.

Bmore on February 25, 2014 at 11:44 PM

You can thank the Big Evil Federal Government for that lack of bigotry.

It was the Republicans. Just ask Johnson, fool.

And will someone put a leash on northdallas. I can only take so much crazy.

HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:40 PM

nd is a highly intelligent honest gay commnenter, who happens to not tow your leftist thuggish line. Add that he’s Christian and your stupid head explodes.

Schadenfreude on February 25, 2014 at 11:44 PM

And will someone put a leash on northdallas. I can only take so much crazy.

HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:40 PM

ND30 will actually answer questions and they don’t contradict from the next thing he says. So, physician, heal thyself.

Lanceman on February 25, 2014 at 11:44 PM

Lanceman, I know you’re smarter than that.
HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:42 PM

No he isn’t. However Danceman is brilliant.

SparkPlug on February 25, 2014 at 11:44 PM

Wanting to be with a person of your own sex is not. There are things you just can’t change.

But, hey, why not willy nilly discriminate, right?

HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:37 PM

And this law would affect two people of the same sex “wanting to be together” how exactly??

14K Stupidity, Part deux.

ToddPA on February 25, 2014 at 11:44 PM

liberaldrools’ last stand.

22044 on February 25, 2014 at 11:44 PM

I hope the bill is vetoed. I’m just saddened and hurt that there are so many people that have no problems discriminating against the LGBT+ community.

HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:39 PM

Yeah, it’s strange how many people are opposed to bigots like you who wish death on people and their children.

northdallasthirty on February 25, 2014 at 11:45 PM

Opponents call it a license to discriminate against gays.

May I still distinguish between healthy sexual behavior and dysfunctional sexual behavior though?

Cleombrotus on February 25, 2014 at 11:45 PM

Does anybody really believe these stupid silly sockpuppet names aren’t AP?

They are all the same.

wolly4321 on February 25, 2014 at 11:45 PM

History lesson:

FDRs 4 freedoms:

The first is freedom of speech and expression — everywhere in the world.

The second is freedom of every person to worship God in his own way — everywhere in the world.

The third is freedom from want — which, translated into world terms, means economic understandings which will secure to every nation a healthy peacetime life for its inhabitants — everywhere in the world.

The fourth is freedom from fear — which, translated into world terms, means a world-wide reduction of armaments to such a point and in such a thorough fashion that no nation will be in a position to commit an act of physical aggression against any neighbor– anywhere in the world.

Freedoms 2,3 and 4 are what is being argued. Freedom of worship means that your lifestyle doesn’t extent beyond your church, freedom from want means no one can deny any other service, and freedom from fear means any ill speak of gays is instilling “fear” and that must be stopped (incidentally, freedom from fear nullifies freedom 1).

ANYONE ARGUING FOR ANTI-DISCRIMINATION LAWS IS ARGUING ON BEHALF OF THESE “FREEDOMS” AND IS A STATIST!

nobar on February 25, 2014 at 11:07 PM

The Clinton troll is proving me right.

nobar on February 25, 2014 at 11:45 PM

He wants to be Danceman tonight. I don’t know why.

KCB on February 25, 2014 at 11:42 PM

He misses his little Gherkin.

RickB on February 25, 2014 at 11:45 PM

I own slaves but it doesn’t count because they are white.

SparkPlug on February 25, 2014 at 11:45 PM

Here ya go Lance. It starts here.

Bmore on February 25, 2014 at 11:44 PM

liberaldrools’ last stand.

22044 on February 25, 2014 at 11:44 PM

Thank you.

Lanceman on February 25, 2014 at 11:46 PM

Just quit shoving your filthy and deviant ‘lifestyle’ down our throats…

OmahaConservative on February 25, 2014 at 11:43 PM

When people always spit this reply in my face, I can’t help but think that they are afraid of me because they want to be as open as I am.

HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:46 PM

liberaldrools’ last stand.

22044 on February 25, 2014 at 11:44 PM

Lolz!

Bmore on February 25, 2014 at 11:46 PM

I think comparing a gay person to the KKK is like comparing apples and oranges – both are fruits (no pun intended) but totally different categories.

HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:43 PM

We are not talking about the KKK. We are talking about reversing the rolls. We are talking about a gay caterer and the Westboro Baptist Church (a religion). You seem to think that the WBC would have to serve the gay couple if they had a business, but you are perfectly fine with a gay business discriminating against the WBC( a religion). And I asked you why? You have yet to answer. You know why? Because you can’t.

melle1228 on February 25, 2014 at 11:46 PM

I think comparing a gay person to the KKK is like comparing apples and oranges – both are fruits (no pun intended) but totally different categories.

HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:43 PM

Not really, since gay people like you call black people the N-word and threaten to lynch them for disobeying white people.

northdallasthirty on February 25, 2014 at 11:46 PM

ToddPA,

so if I go to Arizona with a partner of the same sex, will I be able to stay with her in a hotel room? Oh, yeah, that’s how it affects to people.

eyeroll.

HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:46 PM

And yes, a records check shows that it is also “liberal4life.”

Ed Morrissey on February 25, 2014 at 11:58 AM

BOOYAH!

The Danceman called it!

In your face!

Lanceman on February 25, 2014 at 11:47 PM

I thought banned commenters weren’t allowed to activate new accounts?

HumpBot Salvation on February 25, 2014 at 11:49 AM

When we catch them, we ban them again. Not sure if this is liberal4life, but it is the same commenter as the previously-banned “social-justice”, so …

Ed Morrissey on February 25, 2014 at 11:58 AM

And yes, a records check shows that it is also “liberal4life.”

Ed Morrissey on February 25, 2014 at 11:58 AM

kcewa on February 25, 2014 at 11:47 PM

your boycotts do nothing for the black family that can’t get a hotel room or food due to racial bigotry. HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:30 PM

Yeah, but you know what’s worse?? The other night I saw
em Hosing Blacks in the streets!!

Dija see it??!!

ToddPA on February 25, 2014 at 11:48 PM

HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:32 PM

I have a somewhat trained voice. Yeah-I can sing.
Now-let’s say-for example-that I started offering my musical talents for hire. Let’s also say- also just for example-that 2 women wanted to hire me to sing at their ‘wedding’. Maybe a woman wanted to hire me to sing at her ‘Yea-I just-had-an-abortion’ party. Would the government be within its right to force me to accept those gigs-even though I’m morally opposed to same-sex marriage and abortion?
Of course-the answer is an emphatic NO.
An artist has the right to control how their art is used. A baker is also an artist.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 25, 2014 at 11:48 PM

Hi ken. How did your thong end up in your shop vac? Careful where you point that thing when it’s on.

SparkPlug on February 25, 2014 at 11:48 PM

Melle,

Protecting the rights of peaceful gay people is totally different than forcing someone to go to a hate filled rally, risk their life just to make an absurd point.

Gays = good for the most part.

Skinheads = bad all the time.

What part of this don’t you understand?

HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:48 PM

HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:46 PM

So ‘open’ that you could fit O’Hare in that cavity where your brain once was.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 25, 2014 at 11:49 PM

Gimme That Swing

jaime on February 25, 2014 at 11:50 PM

ToddPA,

so if I go to Arizona with a partner of the same sex, will I be able to stay with her in a hotel room? Oh, yeah, that’s how it affects to people.

eyeroll.

HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:46 PM

Why yes, yes you will….now put yer eyeballs back in, Lord
knows there’s nothing else up there…

ToddPA on February 25, 2014 at 11:50 PM

Melle,

Protecting the rights of peaceful gay people is totally different than forcing someone to go to a hate filled rally, risk their life just to make an absurd point.

Gays = good for the most part.

Skinheads = bad all the time.

What part of this don’t you understand?

HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:48 PM

Ahh so I see, you want to use the government to force YOUR SUBJECTIVE MORALS on THE population. I bet you bi+ch about socons and the religious rights, and don’t even realize how fascist you actually sound. OMFG..

melle1228 on February 25, 2014 at 11:51 PM

When people always spit this reply in my face, I can’t help but think that they are afraid of me because they want to be as open as I am.

HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:46 PM

You are a fool…

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canopfor on February 25, 2014 at 11:51 PM

I have a somewhat trained voice. Yeah-I can sing.
Now-let’s say-for example-that I started offering my musical talents for hire. Let’s also say- also just for example-that 2 women wanted to hire me to sing at their ‘wedding’. Maybe a woman wanted to hire me to sing at her ‘Yea-I just-had-an-abortion’ party. Would the government be within its right to force me to accept those gigs-even though I’m morally opposed to same-sex marriage and abortion?
Of course-the answer is an emphatic NO.
An artist has the right to control how their art is used. A baker is also an artist.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 25, 2014 at 11:48 PM

Let’s make this easy. Do you or do you not think the government has the right to make sure you sing at an interracial couples wedding? Or do you think it’s perfectly fine to have a whites only policy for your vocal skills?

HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:51 PM

President Obama’s Internal Revenue Service today quietly released a series of Obamacare “Health Care Tax Tips” warning Americans that they must obtain “qualifying” health insurance – as defined by the federal government – or face a “shared responsibility payment” when filing their tax returns in 2015. The term “shared responsibility payment” refers to the Obamacare individual mandate tax, one of at least seven tax hikes in the healthcare law that directly hit families making less than $250,000 per year.

Fluke off, thugs. Holder wants the AGs to NOT follow the laws. YOU stop paying taxes, altogether. Let them eat hot air, the morons.

Schadenfreude on February 25, 2014 at 11:52 PM

Hi Twerp. Easter is almost here. How bout a dress rehearsal with the bunny suit?

SparkPlug on February 25, 2014 at 11:52 PM

Do you or do you not think the government has the right to make sure you sing at an interracial couples wedding? Or do you think it’s perfectly fine to have a whites only policy for your vocal skills?

HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:51 PM

Who the hell are you or the government to decide to force someone to do anything other than pay taxes or die?

Lanceman on February 25, 2014 at 11:52 PM

SparkPlug on February 25, 2014 at 11:37 PM

As long as there’s no Jews. *kinda fearful of ovens*
*Trolls-I was born/raised JEWISH. Bite me.*

annoyinglittletwerp on February 25, 2014 at 11:52 PM

Hi ken. How did your

thong end up in your shop vac? Careful where you point that thing when it’s on.

SparkPlug on February 25, 2014 at 11:48 PM

Dunno. Last time I used the shop vac was after we drank all the rum. The glade was a damned wreck. Maybe Axe knows.

KCB on February 25, 2014 at 11:52 PM

The militant homosexual left and their brain-dead supporters never ever stop to consider that while they are demanding others respect their “rights” that they are raping the rights of Millions of Christians. Christians after all do not count, they do not deserve rights.

oscarwilde on February 25, 2014 at 11:53 PM

goodevening all
ok…i’ll wear the dunce hat…
been reading this story for days..
I don’t get it…..
bothsides
if I was gay and went to a bigots bakery to get
my cake made…
would I really want to eat it??..
or
if I were a bigot baker why don’t I just take
the guys $500 and bake him a cake
(spit in it if I must)
and say nothing….sell it…
why I this in court…??

going2mars on February 25, 2014 at 11:53 PM

What part of this don’t you understand?

HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:48 PM

I understand is that YOU are an idiot who thinks it is perfectly fine to discriminate based on the “groups” she thinks it is okay to discriminate against. I understand that you don’t even understand that “rights” are there not for the “good” among us, but also for the bad. If rights were all for good, the wouldn’t need to be defended.

melle1228 on February 25, 2014 at 11:53 PM

HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:51 PM

Ya big dummy and your red herrings.

22044 on February 25, 2014 at 11:53 PM

Or do you think it’s perfectly fine to have a whites only policy for your vocal skills?

HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:51 PM

HillAREwe: You changed the question,..with,..(WHITES ONLY POLICY)!!

canopfor on February 25, 2014 at 11:53 PM

Ahh so I see, you want to use the government to force YOUR SUBJECTIVE MORALS on THE population. I bet you bi+ch about socons and the religious rights, and don’t even realize how fascist you actually sound. OMFG..

melle1228 on February 25, 2014 at 11:51 PM

Subjective Morals? Are you for real? In what rational world does a gay couple = the KKK?

Seriously, people!

HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:53 PM

Protecting the rights of peaceful gay people is totally different than forcing someone to go to a hate filled rally, risk their life just to make an absurd point.

So you don’t believe in “equal protection under the law?” You make a judgment call on who is “good” and who is “evil” to make your distinction?

Alien on February 25, 2014 at 11:53 PM

Let’s make this easy. Do you or do you not think the government has the right to make sure you sing at an interracial couples wedding? Or do you think it’s perfectly fine to have a whites only policy for your vocal skills?

HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:51 PM

Leftists are always ignorant fascist thugs. You deserve to have the Muzzies take over. It will be a riot.

Schadenfreude on February 25, 2014 at 11:53 PM

HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:51 PM

Better yet, show me in the Constitution that the government is entitled to any portion of your life except concerning jury duty?

Lanceman on February 25, 2014 at 11:54 PM

I am not serious, people!

HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:53 PM

Edited for accuracy, again. :)

22044 on February 25, 2014 at 11:54 PM

Who the hell are you or the government to decide to force someone to do anything other than pay taxes or die?

Lanceman on February 25, 2014 at 11:52 PM

So you’re perfectly OK with the 1950′s South? Heck, for that matter, you’re OK with slavery – I mean, it’s not like it’s a tax!

HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:54 PM

Protecting the rights of peaceful gay people is totally different than forcing someone to go to a hate filled rally, risk their life just to make an absurd point.

Gays = good for the most part.

Skinheads = bad all the time.

What part of this don’t you understand?

HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:48 PM

Unfortunately, gays and lesbians are violent bigots who call for the murder of conservatives and their children.

So what makes them different than skinheads? Especially since you won’t repudiate violence or bigotry on the part of your fellow gay skinheads.

northdallasthirty on February 25, 2014 at 11:55 PM

en people always spit this reply in my face, I can’t help but think that they are afraid of me because they want to be as open as I am. HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:46 PM

Me too. When poeple openly laugh in my face I always assume they are jealous of my blatant stupidity.

Happens all the time.

wolly4321 on February 25, 2014 at 11:55 PM

Even her herrings are communist!

HillC Liver Spot on February 25, 2014 at 11:55 PM

HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:51 PM

You don’t choose your race.
Homosexuality is an effing BEHAVIOR!
They are NOT comparable.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 25, 2014 at 11:55 PM

Freedom of association necessitates that bigots must be free to be bigots. Guaranteed freedom doesn’t exist for the people who you’ll defend, it exists for those that you won’t.

nobar on February 23, 2014 at 2:06 PM

HillAREwe, study the bold.

nobar on February 25, 2014 at 11:55 PM

Subjective Morals? Are you for real? In what rational world does a gay couple = the KKK?

Seriously, people!

HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:53 PM

It doesn’t matter if I think the KKK is bad. In our country, the KKK have the SAME DAMN CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS that everyone else has. They don’t get discriminated against because some liberal twit deems them less a person then a gay person. You don’t seem to understand that rights and laws HAVE TO APPLY EQUALLY ACROSS THE BOARD not to just those you like.

melle1228 on February 25, 2014 at 11:55 PM

going2mars on February 25, 2014 at 11:53 PM

Sounds like you understand it pretty well.

kcewa on February 25, 2014 at 11:55 PM

I can see a “gerrymandering” comment on the horizon, for good rogerb’s repository.

Schadenfreude on February 25, 2014 at 11:56 PM

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