Quotes of the day

posted at 10:41 pm on February 25, 2014 by Allahpundit

Republican Gov. Jan Brewer faced intensifying pressure Monday from CEOs, politicians in Washington and state lawmakers in her own party to veto a bill that would allow business owners with strongly held religious beliefs to deny service to gays and lesbians

Opponents call it a license to discriminate against gays.

Similar religious protection legislation has been introduced in Ohio, Mississippi, Idaho, South Dakota, Tennessee and Oklahoma, but Arizona’s plan is the only one that has passed. The efforts are stalled in Idaho, Ohio and Kansas.

Republicans stressed that the bill is not about discrimination but protecting religious freedom. They frequently cite the case of a New Mexico photographer who was sued after refusing to take wedding pictures of a gay couple. They said Arizona needs a law to protect people in the state from heavy-handed actions by courts.

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Call it what you want — anti-gay or religious rights — but if Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signs a controversial bill, you might not be calling Arizona the home of the 2015 Super Bowl.

The Religious Freedom Restoration Act, S.B. 1062, is the current controversy du jour out of Arizona, and the National Football League is with the opposition.

“Our policies emphasize tolerance and inclusiveness and prohibit discrimination based on age, gender, race, religion, sexual orientation or any other improper standard,” NFL spokesman Greg Aiello told USA Today. “We are following the issue in Arizona and will continue to do so should the bill be signed into law, but will decline further comment at this time.”

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A personal call was placed by Apple to Arizona governor Jan Brewer, urging her to veto the state’s SB 1062 bill, which would allow Arizonans to discriminate against LGBT people (among other groups) on the basis of a religious objection. Businesses would have to uphold the state’s ruling, meaning employees of Apple’s factory as well as its retail stores there could refuse to hire or work alongside gays for personal beliefs, which probably flies in the face of Apple’s own anti-discrimination policies.

No fewer than 83 companies, inluding American Airlines and Marriott, have signed a letter supporting a veto of the bill saying that anti-gay legislation will hurt business.

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Proponents of the legislation – which Brewer has until Saturday to sign or veto and is reportedly leaning against – say the bill is designed to protect religious liberty. But many Washington Republicans see it as a political loser, giving the left another cudgel to attack conservatives as intolerant, while motivating liberals and younger voters ahead of the midterm elections. It also threatens to widen the chasm between social conservatives and GOP operatives, who have become increasingly public in their support for gay marriage.

“There are lots of economic and fiscal issues that people care pretty deeply about. I think those are good issues for us to focus on,” Sen. John Thune (R-S.D.) said Tuesday when asked about the bill, SB 1062. “We’ll stay focused on Obamacare. Those are the issues we want to talk about.”…

If Brewer signs the legislation, the major concern of party strategists is that opponents would launch an initiative drive to overturn it. A referendum in November would allow the debate about whether denying services to gays is discriminatory to simmer through November, drawing global attention and increasing turnout among younger, liberal voters. This could complicate GOP hopes of holding the open governorship and picking up targeted House seats.

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She has surprised us before, but Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer is likely going to veto the state’s controversial bill that would let businesses refuse service to gay and lesbian customers on religious grounds, a move that again shows how much national politics have moved on social issues.

The determination, first reported Tuesday by NBC News, will bolster the unconventional governor’s image as a politician escaping neat, partisan definitions. But it also reaffirms her status as a stateswoman keenly aware of the politics of the moment, both in her state and around the country…

Beyond the political calculations, Brewer, who has until Saturday to make a decision on the bill, has also proved she is not nearly as conservative as her state Legislature, or her common caricatures, would lead us to believe. She has frequently confounded her own party by standing as a bulwark against her Republican state House’s agenda, including its opposition to Medicaid expansion under Obamacare, which she embraced, or a push to allow guns on college campuses.

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Under current Arizona law, if a business wanted to discriminate against gays, they would not need this bill to be passed to do so. It is not currently illegal for a business to deny service to someone because they are gay. Some cities in Arizona have ordinances against it but there is no state law against it. If business owners in Arizona wanted to deny service to gays, they could do so in most of the state under current law.

Even though business owners across most of Arizona (and much of the United States) have the right to deny service to gays, they are not doing so. Opponents of the bill claim it would usher in an era of “Jim Crow for gays,” in which gays would be denied service at businesses across the state. If business owners really wanted to do this, though, they could already be doing it. The bill does not make that more or less likely. Business owners do not want to deny service to gays. This is not because they fear government sanction. Rather, it is because: 1) Their religious, ethical or moral beliefs tell them it is wrong to deny service; and/or, 2) the profit motive – turning away customers is no way to run a business.

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Arizona’s RFRA, as it currently stands, does not contain the necessary specificity regarding who can use RFRA for protection if the government discriminates against them because of their religious faith. Contrary to the voices that oppose protecting religious freedom for all Arizonans, Senate Bill 1062 and House Bill 2153, which were approved last week, will not allow people to do “whatever they want” in the name of religion.

The use of the amended RFRA will only come into play when the government’s law inhibits someone from freely acting in accordance with his or her faith, as has always been the case. And even then, sincerely held religious beliefs will continue to be balanced against state interests. So, Arizona will always be able to make certain things — like murder — crimes even if someone says that his religious beliefs require him to kill someone…

No Arizonan should be forced to choose between making a living and living free. An amended bill that provides a safeguard from laws that violate our First Amendment freedoms — while still letting government enact laws necessary to the common good — is a sensible one.

No court in Arizona should be able to tell you that a violation of those freedoms is just the “price of citizenship.”

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But this is another example of how this schism cannot be easily brushed aside like so many wedding cake crumbs. In recent years, libertarian-leaning conservatives have largely sided with the gay rights argument. Proud members of the “leave us alone” coalition were apt to side with a group of people who just wanted to be left alone to love the person they love (and what happens in the bedroom is nobody’s business).

At some point, however, “leave us alone” became “bake us a cake. Or else!”

The reason conservative Christians are fighting this fight today is because it’s a firewall. The real danger, of course, is that Christian pastors and preachers will eventually be coerced into performing same-sex marriages…

Gay rights and religious liberty are on a collision course.

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In T. H. White’s The Once and Future King, the nature of totalitarianism is captured in the motto “Everything not forbidden is compulsory.” Gay marriage has made the sprint from forbidden to compulsory in record time; the day before yesterday, a homosexual marriage was a legal impossibility — and today it is a crime to sit one out.

Gay Americans, like many members of minority groups, are poorly served by their self-styled leadership. Like feminists and union bosses, the leaders of the nation’s gay organizations suffer from oppression envy, likening their situation to that of black Americans — as though having to find a gay-friendly wedding planner (pro tip: try swinging a dead cat) were the moral equivalent of having spent centuries in slavery and systematic oppression under Jim Crow. Their goal is not toleration or even equal rights but official victim-group status under law and in civil society, allowing them to use the courts and other means of official coercion to impose their own values upon those who hold different values…

One of the defects of our civil-rights law is the overly broad concept of “public accommodation,” which has been expanded to include virtually every business that is open to the public. But a business is not public property; it is private property. People of good will ought to allow fairly broad leeway for how people conduct their own lives and their own business — private autonomy is, after all, a large part of the case for gay rights. If gay leaders were willing to extend to those who do not share their views the same tolerance to which they feel themselves entitled, then a modus vivendi could emerge through the healthful operations of civil society. Those who do not wish to participate in gay weddings or other events could decline to do so — and those who believe them to be bigots could take their business elsewhere. In fact, one protester of the Arizona law has precisely the right idea: Outraged by the passage of this bill, a pizza-shop operator hung a sign in his door announcing that members of the state legislature were personae non gratae in his establishment. That, and not the micromanagement of secular divines in black robes, is the way to sort out this kind of social controversy.

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Via the Daily Rushbo.


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TWERP!

annoyinglittletwerp on February 25, 2014 at 10:42 PM

BRUSHINGMYHAIR!

Lanceman on February 25, 2014 at 10:42 PM

Welcome to Gay Air.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 25, 2014 at 10:42 PM

HotGayGas!

Lanceman on February 25, 2014 at 10:43 PM

I was interviewed at the Abbott rally today. I’ll put a redacted version up in a bit.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 25, 2014 at 10:44 PM

…Doughnut’s no fun anymore?

KOOLAID2 on February 25, 2014 at 10:45 PM

“Let them eat bake cakes”

We’re all gay now.

The Muslims will make heads roll, the world over.

Schadenfreude on February 25, 2014 at 10:45 PM

Calling all Rude Buffoons and HA gays…

OmahaConservative on February 25, 2014 at 10:45 PM

There’s a bar in San Diego. The owner says he will refuse service to pols against homosexual ‘marriage’.

Question: Why is a straight guy going into a gay bar? To look for broads?

Lanceman on February 25, 2014 at 10:46 PM

Retweeted by Zeke Miller
Newt Gingrich ‏@newtgingrich 4h

Veto RT @Crossfire If you were Governor of AZ would you sign or veto the bill?Reply w/ Sign or Veto using #Crossfire pic.twitter.com/hoL3PUz6Ku

https://twitter.com/Crossfire/status/438410733546901504/photo/1/large

canopfor on February 25, 2014 at 10:46 PM

QotD
So gay
Linger a while
AZ beguile
Or go away

p.s. long week until Friday

Schadenfreude on February 25, 2014 at 10:46 PM

Good evening everyone.

Alien on February 25, 2014 at 10:47 PM

This has been the gay-est place I have ever hung out in…

OmahaConservative on February 25, 2014 at 10:47 PM

What are these special rights being alloted by the government to 1% of the population to use against others?

Murphy9 on February 25, 2014 at 10:47 PM

One of the defects of our civil-rights law is the overly broad concept of “public accommodation,” which has been expanded to include virtually every business that is open to the public. But a business is not public property; it is private property. People of good will ought to allow fairly broad leeway for how people conduct their own lives and their own business — private autonomy is, after all, a large part of the case for gay rights. If gay leaders were willing to extend to those who do not share their views the same tolerance to which they feel themselves entitled, then a modus vivendi could emerge through the healthful operations of civil society. Those who do not wish to participate in gay weddings or other events could decline to do so — and those who believe them to be bigots could take their business elsewhere

…H E L L O !

KOOLAID2 on February 25, 2014 at 10:47 PM

Rub up on your brother’s goat gay.

HillC Liver Spot on February 25, 2014 at 10:47 PM

Evening, twerp. Annoy anyone yet?

Alien on February 25, 2014 at 10:48 PM

Opponents call it a license to discriminate against gays.

I call it the freedom to be left the f9&k alone..

melle1228 on February 25, 2014 at 10:48 PM

Wedgeheads are generally found to be gay according to a scientific study…

OmahaConservative on February 25, 2014 at 10:49 PM

DNRIP liberal drools

22044 on February 25, 2014 at 10:49 PM

Alien on February 25, 2014 at 10:48 PM

Always.

I saw the next governor of Texas today.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 25, 2014 at 10:49 PM

This has been the gay-est place I have ever hung out in…

OmahaConservative on February 25, 2014 at 10:47 PM

Hot Air is is second to a Navy Officer’s Club I hung out at. :)

melle1228 on February 25, 2014 at 10:49 PM

OmahaConservative on February 25, 2014 at 10:49 PM

ROTFL!

annoyinglittletwerp on February 25, 2014 at 10:50 PM

The real QOTD:

Freedom of association necessitates that bigots must be free to be bigots. Guaranteed freedom doesn’t exist for the people who you’ll defend, it exists for those that you won’t.

nobar on February 23, 2014 at 2:06 PM

nobar on February 25, 2014 at 10:51 PM

Question: Why is a straight guy going into a gay bar? To look for broads?

Lanceman on February 25, 2014 at 10:46 PM

Lanceman: Er,…maybes its like the chicken cross’n the road,
to see whats on da other side,..er,wait, …….:)

canopfor on February 25, 2014 at 10:52 PM

Hot Air is is second to a Navy Officer’s Club I hung out at. :)

melle1228 on February 25, 2014 at 10:49 PM

Got a lot of action there, did ya?

OmahaConservative on February 25, 2014 at 10:52 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on February 25, 2014 at 10:44 PM

Nevermind that crap! I left a picture for you!

Lanceman on February 25, 2014 at 10:52 PM

p.s. long week until Friday

Schadenfreude on February 25, 2014 at 10:46 PM

…Nothing messes up my Friday like realizing…it’s only Tuesday!

KOOLAID2 on February 25, 2014 at 10:52 PM

Lanceman: Er,…maybes its like the chicken cross’n the road,
to see whats on da other side,..er,wait, …….:)

canopfor on February 25, 2014 at 10:52 PM

Been there. Done that. Trust me, you don’t wanna know.

Lanceman on February 25, 2014 at 10:52 PM

Wedgeheads are generally found to be gay according to a scientific study…

OmahaConservative on February 25, 2014 at 10:49 PM

The other night, you peed on his applehead. So is Ratso an applehead or wedgie?

Alien on February 25, 2014 at 10:53 PM

Lanceman on February 25, 2014 at 10:52 PM

Damn, you’re getting all senile.
I saw it-and responded.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 25, 2014 at 10:53 PM

The other night, you peed on his applehead. So is Ratso an applehead or wedgie?

Alien on February 25, 2014 at 10:53 PM

I pissed on his head again tonight. He is a bihead…

OmahaConservative on February 25, 2014 at 10:54 PM

Got a lot of action there, did ya?

OmahaConservative on February 25, 2014 at 10:52 PM

LOL– Not me, I am a girrrrrll.. :)

melle1228 on February 25, 2014 at 10:54 PM

Results for #SB1062

https://twitter.com/search?q=%23SB1062&src=hash

canopfor on February 25, 2014 at 10:55 PM

So, if I walk into a Muslim deli and request a pulled pork sandwich,….. They would have me arrested for a hate crime, I didn’t respect their religious beliefs.

Funny how that works. They get to have religious beliefs and I, as a devout Christian, don’t.

Got it.

herm2416 on February 25, 2014 at 10:55 PM

I stepped in dogshit right outside my front door today.

Lanceman on February 25, 2014 at 10:55 PM

I stepped in dogshit right outside my front door today.

Lanceman on February 25, 2014 at 10:55 PM

You will step in more in this thread tonight…

OmahaConservative on February 25, 2014 at 10:56 PM

No shoes, no shirts, no morals, no service.

TXUS on February 25, 2014 at 10:56 PM

Good news, on topic. You NO longer have to pay your taxes.

Schadenfreude on February 25, 2014 at 10:56 PM

saw the next governor of Texas today. annoyinglittletwerp on February 25, 2014 at 10:49pm

Good for you!!

It’s fun, huh?

wolly4321 on February 25, 2014 at 10:56 PM

Boyo,..the Left having a Collective MeltDown on this!!!

canopfor on February 25, 2014 at 10:56 PM

I saw it-and responded.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 25, 2014 at 10:53 PM

AS I was typing here!

Lanceman on February 25, 2014 at 10:56 PM

LOL– Not me, I am a girrrrrll.. :)

melle1228 on February 25, 2014 at 10:54 PM

SophieRo?

22044 on February 25, 2014 at 10:57 PM

I pissed on his head again tonight. He is a bihead…

OmahaConservative on February 25, 2014 at 10:54 PM

Either he has bad timing, or you have poor aim.

Alien on February 25, 2014 at 10:57 PM

Results for #SB1062

https://twitter.com/search?q=%23SB1062&src=hash

canopfor on February 25, 2014 at 10:55 PM

I love how they actually think any of us would think differently if the bill gave Muslims the ability to discriminate and not serve “white Christians.” Dumbazzes don’t get the point. Most of us believe that the government should not force ANY business to serve anyone they don’t want.

melle1228 on February 25, 2014 at 10:58 PM

…Nothing messes up my Friday like realizing…it’s only Tuesday!

KOOLAID2 on February 25, 2014 at 10:52 PM

Tues – Fri, HA gayness, all the way!
Be gay every day!

Schadenfreude on February 25, 2014 at 10:59 PM

SophieRo?

22044 on February 25, 2014 at 10:57 PM

No, what did happen to Resist though? I haven’t seen her lately.

melle1228 on February 25, 2014 at 10:59 PM

Lets Review:

The Minority trumps the majority!!

Or,…the needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many!!!

canopfor on February 25, 2014 at 11:00 PM

melle1228 on February 25, 2014 at 10:58 PM

Just repeat my quote to them.

If they say anything, tell them that only bigots prevent others from living like “bigots”.

nobar on February 25, 2014 at 11:00 PM

22044 on February 25, 2014 at 10:57 PM

Didn’t Sophie spell it “gurrrrlllllll”?

KCB on February 25, 2014 at 11:00 PM

Either he has bad timing, or you have poor aim.

Alien on February 25, 2014 at 10:57 PM

think he is really into watersports…
/

OmahaConservative on February 25, 2014 at 11:01 PM

SophieRo? 22044 on February 25, 2014 at 10:57 PM

The post isn’t three miles long with 20+ links,,, so no.

But I miss that.

wolly4321 on February 25, 2014 at 11:01 PM

Where are all our homo fruitcake trolls?

Lanceman on February 25, 2014 at 11:01 PM

I was interviewed by the local paper today.
I’ve copied the entire story…but redacted certain things in the interview w/ me.

‘Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott talked education and boasted about his track record suing the Obama administration during a campaign stop Tuesday afternoon, Feb. 25, in Lubbock.

The Republican gubernatorial candidate met with a room full of supporters at Jimenez Bakery after a morning engagement in Amarillo. The visit prompted Democratic challenger Wendy Davis to release a statement criticizing Abbott for his ties to rock singer Ted Nugent.

Abbott focused on campaign issues, including his opposition to the CSCOPE public education curriculum support system. He wants to empower teachers and principals with the tools they need to educate children without having to teach to standardized tests.

“As your governor, I will drive a stake through the heart of CSCOPE and will never allow Common Core in the state of Texas,” he told the crowd.

He prompted applause when he told the crowd he’s sued President Barack Obama’s administration 30 times during his tenure as attorney general and plans keep additional gun control out of the state.

Abbott also spoke about the growth in the state and the necessary steps to cope, such as creating more jobs, securing an adequate water supply and building more roads.

Abbott said he has ideas of ways to add billions of dollars to the transportation fund without raising a single penny in taxes or tolls.

Lubbock plays an important part in the state, Abbott said in a press conference following his speech.

“I used to live here, so to me it’s personal, and to me this is kind of like coming home,” he said. “More importantly, the people in Lubbock are such a key part to our entire state. I mean, look at the farming and ranching that takes place here. Look at the university of Texas Tech. Look at all the students that are graduating from high schools here … and look at the wind energy that’s being produced here. You see the pivotal role that Lubbock plays in the future of the state of Texas. That’s why I like to stay so connected.”

The attorney general had voters of all ages showing their support for him at the Mexican restaurant. The event was standing-room only long before he arrived.

“I already voted for Mr. Abbott,” %%%%%%%%% said while Abbott worked the crowd after his speech. “I like his emphasis on freedom — allowing Texas to do what Texas is going to do without interference from the federal government.”

********* said she and her husband moved to Lubbock in 2011 from Chicago where taxes were high and jobs were hard to come by.

“In Illinois, the government wants every facet of your life — taxes here, taxes there,” she said. “The government (in Texas) is not breathing down your necks — freedom to be left alone, really.”

&&&&&&&&& said she got a job at Walmart within a month of moving.

“Am I going to be a millionaire working at Walmart? No, but I have a job. I couldn’t even get an interview in Chicago,” she said.

Another Abbott supporter, 18-year-old Austin Cadd, said he’ll vote for Abbott because of the candidate’s track record.

“Since he just has experience as a (Texas) Supreme Court justice and as the 50th attorney general, he has a lot of good insight and knows particularly what Texans are looking for,” Cadd said.

The Frenship High School senior attended the meeting of his own volition because of his interest in politics. Cadd said he knows “without a doubt” that Abbott will make a good governor.

Abbott’s visit to Lubbock came on the tales of controversy surrounding his hitting the campaign trail recently with Nugent, a man who has reportedly admitted to having sex with underage girls.

Tuesday morning, the Davis campaign issued a statement: “Greg Abbott’s embrace of a sexual predator speaks to Greg Abbott’s lack of judgment and character. This was not an isolated incident, but a pattern of blatant disregard and hostility by Greg Abbott toward women. Time and again, Greg Abbott has refused to protect women,” Bo Delp, Davis campaign communications director, said in a news release.

During a press conference following his speech, Abbott commented on his relationship with Nugent and said the rock singer’s comments were “offensive, reprehensible and certainly not reflective of the values that we believe in here in Texas.”

Abbott said he has a daughter and a wife whom he loves, and he fights for their values every day.

Nugent has apologized for his remarks, including a reference to Obama as a “subhuman mongrel,” and Abbott believes he was right in doing so.

He did not comment on if the two are still “blood brothers,” as Nugent said when introducing Abbott at a recent campaign event.

Abbott has yet to release the last two pieces of his platform — Educating Texans and Healthy Texans — but is expected to do so in upcoming weeks.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 25, 2014 at 11:02 PM

Where are all our homo fruitcake trolls?

Lanceman on February 25, 2014 at 11:01 PM

Trolling the glory holes at truck stops…

OmahaConservative on February 25, 2014 at 11:03 PM

No, what did happen to Resist though? I haven’t seen her lately.

melle1228 on February 25, 2014 at 10:59 PM

Nobody knows…your post made me think of her again.

22044 on February 25, 2014 at 11:03 PM

wolly4321 on February 25, 2014 at 10:56 PM

He’s cute-but Perry’s cuter. Mrs. Abbott is stunning.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 25, 2014 at 11:04 PM

Where are all our homo fruitcake trolls?

Lanceman on February 25, 2014 at 11:01 PM

Trolling the glory holes at truck stops…

OmahaConservative on February 25, 2014 at 11:03 PM

Celebrating “freedom” and “equality” because this bill will be vetoed.

melle1228 on February 25, 2014 at 11:05 PM

I met a Governor once. When he was Mayor of Baltimore.

He was covered in his own puke. On his hands and knees, crawling down the sidewalk.

Now he’s a “d” contender for potus.

wolly4321 on February 25, 2014 at 11:06 PM

Watching the two videos of those State Senator loons I doubt Jan Brewer is going to let this continue another 24 hours.

Marcus on February 25, 2014 at 11:06 PM

History lesson:

FDRs 4 freedoms:

The first is freedom of speech and expression — everywhere in the world.

The second is freedom of every person to worship God in his own way — everywhere in the world.

The third is freedom from want — which, translated into world terms, means economic understandings which will secure to every nation a healthy peacetime life for its inhabitants — everywhere in the world.

The fourth is freedom from fear — which, translated into world terms, means a world-wide reduction of armaments to such a point and in such a thorough fashion that no nation will be in a position to commit an act of physical aggression against any neighbor– anywhere in the world.

Freedoms 2,3 and 4 are what is being argued. Freedom of worship means that your lifestyle doesn’t extent beyond your church, freedom from want means no one can deny any other service, and freedom from fear means any ill speak of gays is instilling “fear” and that must be stopped (incidentally, freedom from fear nullifies freedom 1).

ANYONE ARGUING FOR ANTI-DISCRIMINATION LAWS IS ARGUING ON BEHALF OF THESE “FREEDOMS” AND IS A STATIST!

nobar on February 25, 2014 at 11:07 PM

We have a sorry crop of trolls. Sad when libdie and verbaloon are still our best trolls. My girl bmh has flashes of wit. But she’s no longer speaking to me.

Lanceman on February 25, 2014 at 11:07 PM

Woo hoo! Now I know ALT’s real name!

22044 on February 25, 2014 at 11:07 PM

BBL, taking Ratso out for a smoke in the minus 1 degree weather on the front porch…

OmahaConservative on February 25, 2014 at 11:07 PM

It amazes me what the ‘wingers are trying to do in Arizona. I thought this was settled with the Civil Rights movement way back when.

sigh.

HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:08 PM

Orwell lives. May all the goons die, soon.

IRS Warns: Obamacare Tax Must Be Paid with Tax Return
Agency employs Orwellian term “Shared Responsibility Payment” to describe Obamacare individual mandate tax.

Follow the laws as you like them. Holder is a very good example.

Fluke the illegitimate government of the US of Zimbabwe. Pay taxes when they follow all the laws. Otherwise live in anarchy, as do they.

Schadenfreude on February 25, 2014 at 11:08 PM

AZ Capitol Times ‏@AzCapitolTimes 3h

ASU law prof: #SB1062 ‘means almost nothing,’ doesn’t empower discrimination against gays http://goo.gl/nFSr22
=================================================

ASU law prof: SB1062 ‘means almost nothing’

By: Howard Fischer, Capitol Media Services
February 25, 2014 , 5:03 pm
*****************************

The hype and rhetoric on both sides of SB1062 now awaiting action by Gov. Jan Brewer

may disguise the fact that the measure does far less than some have suggested.

The legislation extends existing state laws

which provide a shield for those of faith

from having to comply with certain government statutes and regulations.

But, as with all things, it’s not that simple.

First, despite a key example cited by proponents,

the legislation affects

neither the rights of gays

nor the rights of businesses to refuse service to gays.

The existing Religious Freedom Restoration Act and its proposed expansion in SB1062

essentially deal with those for whom

the government has provided special “protected class” status.

That includes issues of gender, race, religion and national origin.

Neither Arizona nor federal law

provide any special protection on sexual orientation or gender identification.

That differs from New Mexico,

where the state Supreme Court ruled that a gay couple could sue a photographer who refused to take pictures of their wedding.

New Mexico law does extend protected status to sexual orientation.

It was that case, and a similar one in Colorado over a wedding cake

for gays, that led to calls for SB1062.

And that’s what got the attention of the LGBT community.
(More…………)
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http://azcapitoltimes.com/news/2014/02/25/asu-law-prof-sb1062-means-almost-nothing/

canopfor on February 25, 2014 at 11:09 PM

It amazes me what the ‘wingers are trying to do in Arizona. I thought this was settled with the Civil Rights movement way back when.

sigh.

HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:08 PM

Calm down. Brewer will veto and you will be forced to call the “witch” a heroine.

Schadenfreude on February 25, 2014 at 11:09 PM

Lanceman on February 25, 2014 at 11:07 PM

So MiR doesn’t want to be your friend? He seems so personable…

22044 on February 25, 2014 at 11:09 PM

It’s 12 in Omaha right now. Quit trolling for sympathy.

Lanceman on February 25, 2014 at 11:09 PM

Windchill, dude…

OmahaConservative on February 25, 2014 at 11:09 PM

BBL, taking Ratso out for a smoke in the minus 1 degree weather on the front porch…

OmahaConservative on February 25, 2014 at 11:07 PM

It’s 12 in Omaha right now. Quit trolling for sympathy.

Lanceman on February 25, 2014 at 11:09 PM

more gay articles here then on The Advocate site. Allahpundit should start a rupauls drag race grumble thread next.

brushingmyhair on February 25, 2014 at 11:09 PM

wolly4321 on February 25, 2014 at 11:06 PM

when George Ryan was running for gov of Illinois-I spent so much time in his downtown(Chicago) campaign office-attacking his anti 2nd views-that his campaign staff told me that they’d call the cops if I stopped by again.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 25, 2014 at 11:10 PM

cute-but Perry’s cuter. Mrs. Abbott is stunning. annoyinglittletwerp on February 25, 2014 at 11:04 PM

I’m glad to hear you enjoyed yourself. You deserve it.

wolly4321 on February 25, 2014 at 11:10 PM

The Republican gubernatorial candidate met with a room full of supporters at Jimenez Bakery

annoyinglittletwerp on February 25, 2014 at 11:02 PM

…what did you get?

KOOLAID2 on February 25, 2014 at 11:10 PM

The Pajama Boy is here! Have fun with him. Or her.

22044 on February 25, 2014 at 11:10 PM

Just read now Delta Airlines has joined American in issuing a statement. One may have to travel to Arizona by train. Gee, the suspense of what Governor Brewer will do is killing me./

Marcus on February 25, 2014 at 11:10 PM

It’s 12 in Omaha right now. Quit trolling for sympathy.

Lanceman on February 25, 2014 at 11:09 PM

Windchill, dude…

OmahaConservative on February 25, 2014 at 11:09 PM

How fcuking irritating. My reply posted before your post…

OmahaConservative on February 25, 2014 at 11:10 PM

22044 on February 25, 2014 at 11:07 PM

It’s Barb noneoyodangbidness. LoL

annoyinglittletwerp on February 25, 2014 at 11:11 PM

So MiR doesn’t want to be your friend? He seems so personable…

22044 on February 25, 2014 at 11:09 PM

He doesn’t measure up to libtard4life. He just says shit and we’re supposed to take it as gospel. Not even a lazy link to D.Koz or MotherJones.

Lanceman on February 25, 2014 at 11:11 PM

I’m not saying Brewer is all bad. I don’t particularly care for her. I find her completely uninspiring for a female politician.

But I don’t blame her completely for the ‘wingers that threw this her way.

HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:11 PM

brushingmyhair on February 25, 2014 at 11:09 PM

There you are!

Hi.

Lanceman on February 25, 2014 at 11:12 PM

when George Ryan was running for gov of Illinois-I spent so much time in his downtown(Chicago) campaign office-attacking his anti 2nd views-that his campaign staff told me that they’d call the cops if I stopped by again.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 25, 2014 at 11:10 PM

Horrible Governor… The fact that he commuted all death row sentences was horrible. My brother-in-law’s cousin was killed and her baby was cut out of her stomach. Her killers were on death row, and their sentences were commuted during that time. Her family was livid, and hated him with a passion.

melle1228 on February 25, 2014 at 11:12 PM

No fewer than 83 companies, inluding American Airlines and Marriott, have signed a letter supporting a veto of the bill saying that anti-gay legislation will hurt business.

FREE MARKET PRINCIPLES ARE WORKING! CELEBRATE!

brushingmyhair on February 25, 2014 at 11:13 PM

amazes me what the ‘wingers are trying to do in Arizona. I thought this was settled with the Civil Right movement way back when. sigh. HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:08 PM

What civil right is that?

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wolly4321 on February 25, 2014 at 11:13 PM

more gay articles here then on The Advocate site. Allahpundit should start a rupauls drag race grumble thread next.

brushingmyhair on February 25, 2014 at 11:09 PM

Why do you refuse Lance’s advances?

OmahaConservative on February 25, 2014 at 11:13 PM

Anyhoo,
Hill ARE we!
Yes we can!
Hope and change!
Hill ARE we!

Lanceman on February 25, 2014 at 11:13 PM

KOOLAID2 on February 25, 2014 at 11:10 PM

An..empanada? and something w/ coconut called a ‘yoyo’.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 25, 2014 at 11:13 PM

Hi Lanceman. Did you miss me?

HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:13 PM

But I don’t blame her completely for the ‘wingers that threw this her way.

HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:11 PM

I thought your mission was to convert some of us? You ain’t gonna do it with that kinda talk, sister.

Lanceman on February 25, 2014 at 11:13 PM

It’s Barb noneoyodangbidness. LoL

annoyinglittletwerp on February 25, 2014 at 11:11 PM

Cool name. Lol indeed!

22044 on February 25, 2014 at 11:13 PM

FREE MARKET PRINCIPLES ARE WORKING! CELEBRATE!

brushingmyhair on February 25, 2014 at 11:13 PM

If “free market” principles were really at work; there wouldn’t be a need for a “controversial law to begin with.

melle1228 on February 25, 2014 at 11:13 PM

Hi Lanceman. Did you miss me?

HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:13 PM

Shameless slut. Stop throwing yourself at him…

OmahaConservative on February 25, 2014 at 11:14 PM

Hi Lanceman. Did you miss me?

HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:13 PM

Let’s put it this way: I went into the living room to watch Walking Dead.

Lanceman on February 25, 2014 at 11:14 PM

The Era of the Gay Atheist RINO is upon us.

faraway on February 25, 2014 at 11:14 PM

What civil right is that?

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wolly4321 on February 25, 2014 at 11:13 PM

Apparently it forgot that the “civil rights act” included religious freedom, but not sexual orientation, oops!

melle1228 on February 25, 2014 at 11:15 PM

If “free market” principles were really at work; there wouldn’t be a need for a “controversial law to begin with.

melle1228 on February 25, 2014 at 11:13 PM

But for that to be, the first amendment would have to be real. As we all know, FDRs 4 freedoms are the only ones that exist.

nobar on February 25, 2014 at 11:15 PM

Would it not be funny if the conservatives lodged a reverse chicken hater boycott on Delta and all these companies who are against businesses practicing their religious beliefs?
I don’t see a lot of Obama couch riders flying the friendly skies.

HillC Liver Spot on February 25, 2014 at 11:15 PM

oh hi lance.

i am a dude. well no thats not right, i am a guy. wwwwweeelllllllllll I’m gender fluid between dude and guy. just to be clear.

brushingmyhair on February 25, 2014 at 11:15 PM

Lanceman, I’m hoping I can convert some of the non-ultra-rightwingers. Some are just hopeless. I’m still holding out on you.

HillAREwe on February 25, 2014 at 11:16 PM

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