McCain, Romney urge Jan Brewer to veto Arizona’s religious freedom bill

posted at 6:41 pm on February 25, 2014 by Allahpundit

So did Arizonan Jeff Flake, but the marquee names here obviously are the last two GOP nominees for president.

Ramesh Ponnuru asks a good question:

Yeah, that’s … interesting. Everyone can understand why a gay-marriage supporter would oppose the bill and everyone can understand why a gay-marriage opponent would support it. You can also understand why someone would support both: Gays should be free to marry and religious believers should be free not to accept an offer to provide services to them. Accommodation and MYOB coexistence, libertarian-style. The fourth position, though, where someone opposes gay marriage but also opposes letting believers decline service is less obvious. Could be that McCain and Romney simply think the bill’s overbroad; they might be fine with a bill that granted a religious exemption from serving at a gay wedding specifically, but they can’t condone one that would let people refuse to serve gays under any circumstance. Or maybe both of these guys, as centrist Republicans, are more supportive of legal gay marriage than they’re letting on and simply haven’t, er, come out yet.

Actually, skip to 1:20 below and you’ll see that neither is true in McCain’s case. He’s brutally frank about why he opposes the bill: The boycotts that ensue could damage Arizona businesses, and right now there’s no stronger Republican champion of business, both in Arizona and elsewhere, than John McCain.



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Flake too.

Eat Bake cakes”

Schadenfreude on February 25, 2014 at 6:42 PM

News cycles have short memories,

mjbrooks3 on February 25, 2014 at 6:43 PM

Just maybe, they aren’t conservative!

News cycles have short memories,

mjbrooks3 on February 25, 2014 at 6:43 PM

To the politicians’ advantage, of course.

gryphon202 on February 25, 2014 at 6:44 PM

yes, I live in Arizona. Yes, our legislators are idiots. No, I don’t object to gay marriage. Yes, it’s a bad law at the wrong time.

srdem65 on February 25, 2014 at 6:44 PM

It is NO longer required to pay taxes in the USA. Holder implies so.

Schadenfreude on February 25, 2014 at 6:44 PM

With Republicans like this, who needs Democrats?

ShainS on February 25, 2014 at 6:45 PM

Does Romney support gay marriage ceremonies in the LDS Temple or is he an anti-gay bigot after all??

texacalirose on February 25, 2014 at 6:45 PM

Actually, skip to 1:20 below and you’ll see that neither is true in McCain’s case. He’s brutally frank about why he opposes the bill: The boycotts that ensue could damage Arizona businesses, and right now there’s no stronger Republican champion of business, both in Arizona and elsewhere, than John McCain.

More likely that his donations will dry up. The last time he won AZ by AZ billionaires’ support, entirely. He knows which homes he dined in, for dough and arrangements.

Schadenfreude on February 25, 2014 at 6:45 PM

Now the NFL is blackmailing AZ in the name of sodomy. As penance they have to draft the Queen of Missouri.

Akzed on February 25, 2014 at 6:45 PM

Does Romney support gay marriage ceremonies in the LDS Temple or is he an anti-gay bigot after all??

texacalirose on February 25, 2014 at 6:45 PM

He opposes the bill in AZ, not in UT. Stick too the thread topic :)

Schadenfreude on February 25, 2014 at 6:47 PM

What a surprise; Mitt Romney supports forcing businesses and churches to support gay-sex marriage.

northdallasthirty on February 25, 2014 at 6:48 PM

Huh?

Bmore on February 25, 2014 at 6:48 PM

As an Arizonan I can tell you that with Apple hinting they may pull out of the manufacturing plant they are going to build in Mesa and the NFL threatening to pull the 2015 superbowl, the odds of Brewer not vetoing are less than zero.

Kataklysmic on February 25, 2014 at 6:49 PM

I asked before on gay thread #43 today, and got no takers. Maybe the new shift will wanna play: may a Christian baker refuse to bake a cake in the shape of a giant phallus?

Akzed on February 25, 2014 at 6:49 PM

Palin should be McCains replacement at Senate AZ.

Bmore on February 25, 2014 at 6:49 PM

And they are exactly why I won’t EVER again vote for a GOP candidate just because he is the “winnable” one.

melle1228 on February 25, 2014 at 6:49 PM

Sorry AZ, could, not should. ; )

Bmore on February 25, 2014 at 6:49 PM

Man, whoever said last night it was gonna be gay day at HA wadn’t lyin’.

Lanceman on February 25, 2014 at 6:51 PM

He opposes the bill in AZ, not in UT. Stick too the thread topic :)

Schadenfreude on February 25, 2014 at 6:47 PM

You do know that AZ has LDS temples not just the one in Salt Lake City.

RickB on February 25, 2014 at 6:51 PM

the marquee names here obviously are the last two GOP nominees for president.

Sad commentary on the GOP.

If Romney/McCain/Flake think refusal to cooperate with same-sex marriage is wrongful discrimination, why do they oppose SSM?

They don’t. That is just garbage they spew for the gullible.

sharrukin on February 25, 2014 at 6:51 PM

Flake is even worse than mccain as far as the CoC.

He ran as Tea Party.

He lied.

wolly4321 on February 25, 2014 at 6:52 PM

Old hotness: Don’t push your morals on me socons. Gay marriage doesn’t effect you. Don’t like gay marriage, don’t get one

New hotness: I will use the force of law to push my morals on your socons. Gay marriage will effect you and you will like it and celebrate it! Equality, privacy and liberty is only for us gays. YOU are second class citizens..

melle1228 on February 25, 2014 at 6:52 PM

I asked before on gay thread #43 today

That many, huh? HotGay did seem to be a little excitable today. Of course, I guess you could say that’s everyday.

reddevil on February 25, 2014 at 6:53 PM

this should be qotd tonight…

so apple can refuse but the baker can’t? just saying….

cmsinaz on February 25, 2014 at 6:53 PM

it passed last year without a peep

cmsinaz on February 25, 2014 at 6:54 PM

What a surprise; Mitt Romney supports forcing businesses and churches to support gay-sex marriage.

northdallasthirty on February 25, 2014 at 6:48 PM

He’s “extremely conservative”.

Schadenfreude on February 25, 2014 at 6:55 PM

Hey Lanceman, I think it was Schad.

22044 on February 25, 2014 at 6:55 PM

Nothing new here, we already knew these RINOS don’t support the U.S. Constitution.

JihadKiller1s1k on February 25, 2014 at 6:56 PM

Hey Lanceman, I think it was Schad.

22044 on February 25, 2014 at 6:55 PM

He’s right above you.

Lanceman on February 25, 2014 at 6:56 PM

New hotness: I will use the force of law to push my morals on your socons. Gay marriage will effect you and you will like it and celebrate it! Equality, privacy and liberty is only for us gays. YOU are second class citizens..

melle1228

Yeah. Conservative bigots are the new blacks. Oh, and learn the difference between affect/effect. It makes you sound uneducated.

lostmotherland on February 25, 2014 at 6:56 PM

McCain, Romney urge Jan Brewer to veto Arizona’s religious freedom bill

No surprise there.

Stoic Patriot on February 25, 2014 at 6:57 PM

This is like gay days at Disney. The whole blog smells like ass & Brut.

Lanceman on February 25, 2014 at 6:57 PM

He’s “extremely conservative”.

Schadenfreude on February 25, 2014 at 6:55 PM

I thought it was, “Severely Conservative” ?

Bmore on February 25, 2014 at 6:57 PM

is should be qotd tonight… so apple can refuse but the baker can’t? just saying…. cmsinaz on February 25, 2014 at 6:53 PM

Great point.

wolly4321 on February 25, 2014 at 6:57 PM

DanMan is moving up to take the lead in the last straight white male without a tattoo and piercing race…

DanMan on February 25, 2014 at 6:57 PM

You do know that AZ has LDS temples not just the one in Salt Lake City.

RickB on February 25, 2014 at 6:51 PM

Was razzing him. He nailed it.

Schadenfreude on February 25, 2014 at 6:58 PM

Sweat boy! Sweat!

Bmore on February 25, 2014 at 6:58 PM

Yeah. Conservative bigots are the new blacks. Oh, and learn the difference between affect/effect. It makes you sound uneducated.

lostmotherland on February 25, 2014 at 6:56 PM

Wanna hear something funny, boy? She’ll be here long after you are banned.

Lanceman on February 25, 2014 at 6:58 PM

I asked before on gay thread #43 today, and got no takers. Maybe the new shift will wanna play: may a Christian baker refuse to bake a cake in the shape of a giant phallus?

Akzed on February 25, 2014 at 6:49 PM

lol… great question, i want people to answer XD

Sachiko on February 25, 2014 at 6:58 PM

I support the right of businesses to be able to not cater to SSM couples on Religious grounds…. Unfortunately this bill was badly written….

sandee on February 25, 2014 at 6:58 PM

I’m reminded of P.J. O’Rourke’s book “Don’t vote it only encourages them…”

viking01 on February 25, 2014 at 6:58 PM

I thought it was, “Severely Conservative” ?

Bmore on February 25, 2014 at 6:57 PM

That was before they erased “extremely” with the etch-a-sketch. =P

Stoic Patriot on February 25, 2014 at 6:59 PM

Lanceman on February 25, 2014 at 6:58 PM

Ditch diggers mind has be gerrymandered don’t ya know?

Bmore on February 25, 2014 at 6:59 PM

This is like gay days at Disney. The whole blog smells like ass & Brut.

Lanceman on February 25, 2014 at 6:57 PM

now that there is funny

DanMan on February 25, 2014 at 6:59 PM

Yeah. Conservative bigots are the new blacks.

No worries. The Muslims will solve this, for all sides. Heads will roll.

Oh, and learn the difference between affect/effect. It makes you sound uneducated.

lostmotherland on February 25, 2014 at 6:56 PM

Read the damn bill, which is more important.

Schadenfreude on February 25, 2014 at 7:00 PM

Read the damn bill, which is more important.

Schadenfreude on February 25, 2014 at 7:00 PM

Read?!?! Ha!!! Sweat is all it will ever know.

Bmore on February 25, 2014 at 7:02 PM

Oh, and learn the difference between affect/effect. It makes you sound uneducated.
 
lostmotherland on February 25, 2014 at 6:56 PM

 
Good to see you, Gerry.

rogerb on February 25, 2014 at 7:02 PM

Laura Ingraham opposes the AZ bill on the grounds that it’s too broad.

Jon0815 on February 25, 2014 at 7:02 PM

Palin should be McCains replacement at Senate AZ.

Bmore on February 25, 2014 at 6:49 PM

I’ll donate to her campaign!!

annoyinglittletwerp on February 25, 2014 at 7:02 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on February 25, 2014 at 7:02 PM

She will appreciate it sincerely. ; )

Bmore on February 25, 2014 at 7:02 PM

lostflukerland, here’s an ‘erudite’ leftist.

Kevin B. (bull1911)

And he didn’t even finish collage…LMAO
24 FEB 3:17 PM

LOL!

Good Lt on February 25, 2014 at 1:36 PM

Schadenfreude on February 25, 2014 at 7:03 PM

Laura Ingraham opposes the AZ bill on the grounds that it’s too broad.

Jon0815 on February 25, 2014 at 7:02 PM

I agree…

sandee on February 25, 2014 at 7:03 PM

lostmotherland on February 25, 2014 at 6:56 PM

Good to see you, Gerry.

rogerb on February 25, 2014 at 7:02 PM

Hold it. This the douchebag who believed gerrymandering to be the reason Cruz won?

Learn some history, boy. You’ve had over 200 years to get it right. And no, it’s not culturally biased, Mr. Fishburne.

Lanceman on February 25, 2014 at 7:03 PM

rogerb on February 25, 2014 at 7:02 PM

So….the day ended up not being a total loss. Lolz! ; )

Bmore on February 25, 2014 at 7:03 PM

McCain only believes in religious freedom for muslims.

VorDaj on February 25, 2014 at 7:04 PM

Little wonder why we have been stuck with Barry for 2 terms when you see these two in action.

They are oh so passionate when it comes to liberal causes but a little less enthusiastic when discussing Universal healthcare, debt ceilings or Big Government.

Mad Season on February 25, 2014 at 7:05 PM

I thought it was, “Severely Conservative” ?

Bmore on February 25, 2014 at 6:57 PM

Nuances my friend, nuances and degrees only.

Lanceman, you are a one cool chap.

Schadenfreude on February 25, 2014 at 7:06 PM

All gay at HA…

OmahaConservative on February 25, 2014 at 7:06 PM

Hold it. This the douchebag who believed gerrymandering to be the reason Cruz won? Lanceman on February 25, 2014 at 7:03 PM

How do you think Ted Cruz became a Senator?
Gerrymandering.
lostmotherland on October 17, 2013 at 1:39 PM

Never. Gets. Old.

Akzed on February 25, 2014 at 7:06 PM

McCain only believes in religious freedom for muslims.

VorDaj on February 25, 2014 at 7:04 PM

Same as obama; plus, both are for amnesty, Muslims foremost.

Schadenfreude on February 25, 2014 at 7:06 PM

How do you think Ted Cruz became a Senator?
Gerrymandering.

lostmotherland on October 17, 2013 at 1:39 PM

Never. Gets. Old.

Akzed on February 25, 2014 at 7:06 PM

And this ‘intelligent’ thug preaches at us rubes :)

Schadenfreude on February 25, 2014 at 7:07 PM

Yeah. Conservative bigots are the new blacks. Oh, and learn the difference between affect/effect. It makes you sound uneducated.

lostmotherland on February 25, 2014 at 6:56 PM

Who said anything about being black? It is your side (the side that is using government force) who is ignorantly invoking Jim Crow. I am just calling out your hypocrisy. Notice you had no argument against what I said only insults that made no sense.

melle1228 on February 25, 2014 at 7:08 PM

All gay at HA…

OmahaConservative on February 25, 2014 at 7:06 PM

Told you last night and the day is still young.

Schadenfreude on February 25, 2014 at 7:08 PM

If it’s too broad…that’s a reasonable concern.

22044 on February 25, 2014 at 7:08 PM

may a Christian baker refuse to bake a cake in the shape of a giant phallus?

Akzed on February 25, 2014 at 6:49 PM

Of course not. But just to make everybody happy, we’ll coerce him into including a piercing of a cross on it …

/Everybody wins!

ShainS on February 25, 2014 at 7:09 PM

I asked before on gay thread #43 today, and got no takers. Maybe the new shift will wanna play: may a Christian baker refuse to bake a cake in the shape of a giant phallus?

Akzed on February 25, 2014 at 6:49 PM

Define ‘giant.’

James on February 25, 2014 at 7:10 PM

Never. Gets. Old.

Akzed on February 25, 2014 at 7:06 PM

As good as that one was. My all time fav is still.

Go find a ditch to die in.
lostmotherland on December 21, 2012 at 6:49 PM

Bmore on February 25, 2014 at 7:10 PM

Brewer’s going to veto it. No way is she going to let her state lose Apple and the Super Bowl.

DisneyFan on February 25, 2014 at 7:10 PM

Though I haven’t read every comment, it appears clear that, as usual, no one, especially not McLame or the other wind bags, has read the bill. My understanding from an admittedly quick read is that it actually narrows the defense and requires some showing of a valid religious basis for the refusal. So everyone, stop following Pelosi’s lead and read the bill, before you vote for it or criticize it.

Ay Uaxe on February 25, 2014 at 7:10 PM

How do you think Ted Cruz became a Senator?
Gerrymandering.
lostmotherland on October 17, 2013 at 1:39 PM

Never. Gets. Old.

Akzed on February 25, 2014 at 7:06 PM

I can picture little Trey’s dad telling him the tests are all culturally biased and that the math was the only thing universal. Hell, I think lostSierraLeone would have a time of it attempting simple addition.

Lanceman on February 25, 2014 at 7:10 PM

All gay at HA…

OmahaConservative on February 25, 2014 at 7:06 PM

Told you last night and the day is still young.

Schadenfreude on February 25, 2014 at 7:08 PM

Yep, you called it…

OmahaConservative on February 25, 2014 at 7:10 PM

Hey Gerry!!!

CWchangedhisNicagain on February 25, 2014 at 7:11 PM

Hell, I think lostSierraLeone would have a time of it attempting simple addition.

Lanceman on February 25, 2014 at 7:10 PM

The effect will be that it will affect its tiny brain.

Schadenfreude on February 25, 2014 at 7:11 PM

McCain is a fargain fool. He couldn’t even beat out a communist for president in a country founded in the politics of freedom!

beselfish on February 25, 2014 at 7:11 PM

22044 on February 25, 2014 at 7:08 PM

Just remember. Its a work in progress. Accuracy at this early point may be just a wee bit off. ; )

Bmore on February 25, 2014 at 7:11 PM

lostmotherland on February 25, 2014 at 6:56 PM

Who said anything about being black? It is your side (the side that is using government force) who is ignorantly invoking Jim Crow. I am just calling out your hypocrisy. Notice you had no argument against what I said only insults that made no sense.

melle1228 on February 25, 2014 at 7:08 PM

He is black, melle. In his mind, we gon’ be da slave now, dawg. Dey gon’ show whitey how it done. Now dat dey got obama.

Lanceman on February 25, 2014 at 7:12 PM

Old hotness: Don’t push your morals on me socons. Gay marriage doesn’t effect you. Don’t like gay marriage, don’t get one

New hotness: I will use the force of law to push my morals on your socons. Gay marriage will effect you and you will like it and celebrate it! Equality, privacy and liberty is only for us gays. YOU are second class citizens..

melle1228 on February 25, 2014 at 6:52 PM

Exactly.

And the future is that they will try to ban the Bible as “hate speech”,
but “…the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.”

ITguy on February 25, 2014 at 7:12 PM

Yep, you called it…

OmahaConservative on February 25, 2014 at 7:10 PM

The AZ governor has until Friday. I should say the week is young. Party. We’re all gay now.

The Muzzies will make heads roll, soon enough.

Schadenfreude on February 25, 2014 at 7:12 PM

Even GOPers who voted for the bill are asking that Gov Brewer veto. Then why did they vote for it?

Tasha on February 25, 2014 at 7:12 PM

Lanceman, you are a one cool chap.

Schadenfreude on February 25, 2014 at 7:06 PM

You really think so?

Bmore on February 25, 2014 at 7:12 PM

Toure/Gerry’s in the house

22044 on February 25, 2014 at 7:12 PM

Define ‘giant.’ James on February 25, 2014 at 7:10 PM

Well, I mean, if it’s cake-size, it’s gotta be pretty big.

Akzed on February 25, 2014 at 7:13 PM

Just remember. Its a work in progress. Accuracy at this early point may be just a wee bit off. ; )

Bmore on February 25, 2014 at 7:11 PM

Good to know

22044 on February 25, 2014 at 7:13 PM

22044 on February 25, 2014 at 7:13 PM

Not quite there for thread time. Soon. Although I sense that there are many, many yet to account for. ; )

Bmore on February 25, 2014 at 7:14 PM

Lanceman, you are a one cool chap.

Schadenfreude on February 25, 2014 at 7:06 PM

You really think so?

Bmore on February 25, 2014 at 7:12 PM

Yeah, I can’t figure that either. I’m losing girlfriends by the truckload lately. First Pickles and now my new squeeze brushingmyhair won’t speak to me!

Lanceman on February 25, 2014 at 7:15 PM

rogerb on February 25, 2014 at 7:02 PM

 
So….the day ended up not being a total loss. Lolz! ; )
 
Bmore on February 25, 2014 at 7:03 PM

 
One could argue lostmotherland’s “gerrymandering” post was only rivaled by lostmotherland’s
 

The internet made history irrelevant.
 
lostmotherland on December 12, 2013 at 7:48 PM

 
post.

rogerb on February 25, 2014 at 7:15 PM

Instead of this law just post a sign saying

-No tight t shirts and no skinny jeans
-No plaid shirts
-No leather chaps
-No feather head dresses

This would be completely legal and take care of 80-90% of your concerns.

CWchangedhisNicagain on February 25, 2014 at 7:15 PM

You really think so?

Bmore on February 25, 2014 at 7:12 PM

Was in response to this

This is like gay days at Disney. The whole blog smells like ass & Brut.

Lanceman on February 25, 2014 at 6:57 PM

Made me smirk.

Schadenfreude on February 25, 2014 at 7:15 PM

Schadenfreude on February 25, 2014 at 7:15 PM

Lolz! Yes, now that is funny. Lance does like an edge. ; )

Bmore on February 25, 2014 at 7:16 PM

The internet made history irrelevant.

lostmotherland on December 12, 2013 at 7:48 PM

post.

rogerb on February 25, 2014 at 7:15 PM

I think we have the top three on board here. Nice. ; )

Bmore on February 25, 2014 at 7:17 PM

I am going to throw a rainbow themed party when Westboro Baptist Church sues the first gay business for not baking them a God hates ___ cake.. It will be fabulous..

melle1228 on February 25, 2014 at 7:17 PM

Lanceman on February 25, 2014 at 7:15 PM

Redheads?

Bmore on February 25, 2014 at 7:17 PM

The AZ governor has until Friday. I should say the week is young. Party. We’re all gay now.

The Muzzies will make heads roll, soon enough.

Schadenfreude on February 25, 2014 at 7:12 PM

Heh…

OmahaConservative on February 25, 2014 at 7:17 PM

He is black, melle. In his mind, we gon’ be da slave now, dawg. Dey gon’ show whitey how it done. Now dat dey got obama.

Lanceman on February 25, 2014 at 7:12 PM


Like this

Schadenfreude on February 25, 2014 at 7:18 PM

The Muzzies will make heads roll, soon enough.

Schadenfreude on February 25, 2014 at 7:12 PM

That’s when we laugh. I can adapt. The homosexuals and liberal broads? Meh, not so much. Although that Korn broad would look better with her entire head under cover.

Made me smirk.

Schadenfreude on February 25, 2014 at 7:15 PM

You ever been there at that time? Yeah, well I made that mistake. Once. Pleasure Island. Place was full of gays. The stench was abominable. High-tailed it to Universal real quick.

Lanceman on February 25, 2014 at 7:18 PM

This is the dumbest legislation I have ever read (other than obamacare) Even the AZ gop legislators are backing away from it

Brewer vetoes this…every lead off tonight on nightly news: Republicans hate people of color, other religious beliefs and of course gays.

I listened to all 3 nightly news. Keep it up Republicans…you’ll not only lose the senate but house will be in jeopardy. Keep giving the Dems more ammunition. The party of stupid.

Redford on February 25, 2014 at 7:19 PM

All gay at HA…

OmahaConservative on February 25, 2014 at 7:06 PM

Told you last night and the day is still young.

Schadenfreude on February 25, 2014 at 7:08 PM

Be an example to your sex
Give your boot a dapper strap
And it’s smarter if your garter has some snap!
Cravats should be flounced about our necks!
Let the royal coattails flap!
Be bewitching with some stitching on your cap!
Now drape your cape and fluff your cuff
Embroider those lapels!
Be the king of the beasts in pastels!!

PercyB on February 25, 2014 at 7:19 PM

rogerb, thank you again for knowing what to retrieve, at the perfect time, from your rich repository. Treasure!

Schadenfreude on February 25, 2014 at 7:20 PM

brewer’s going to veto it. No way is she going to let her state lose Apple and the Super Bowl. DisneyFan on February 25, 2014 at 7:10 PM

Add American Airlines to the bandwagon.

wolly4321 on February 25, 2014 at 7:21 PM

Redheads?

Bmore on February 25, 2014 at 7:17 PM

I picture bmh as having long blonde hair. I bet she’s pretty. For now.

Like this

Schadenfreude on February 25, 2014 at 7:18 PM

No. More like this.

Lanceman on February 25, 2014 at 7:22 PM

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