Video: Hagel announces plan to shrink army to pre-World War II levels

posted at 5:51 pm on February 24, 2014 by Allahpundit

This is the whole reason he was brought on as SecDef in the first place, Legal Insurrection reminds us. Obama knew that he’d take heat from Republicans for downsizing the military, but maybe not quite as much heat if he had a nominal Republican in charge of the process.

For the United States, the age of occupation is over. Whether that means an age of occupation is beginning for someone else, stay tuned.

Officials who saw an early draft of the announcement acknowledge that budget cuts will impose greater risk on the armed forces if they are again ordered to carry out two large-scale military actions at the same time: Success would take longer, they say, and there would be a larger number of casualties. Officials also say that a smaller military could invite adventurism by adversaries.

“You have to always keep your institution prepared, but you can’t carry a large land-war Defense Department when there is no large land war,” a senior Pentagon official said…

The Army, which took on the brunt of the fighting and the casualties in Afghanistan and Iraq, already was scheduled to drop to 490,000 troops from a post-9/11 peak of 570,000. Under Mr. Hagel’s proposals, the Army would drop over the coming years to between 440,000 and 450,000.

That would be the smallest United States Army since 1940. For years, and especially during the Cold War, the Pentagon argued that it needed a military large enough to fight two wars simultaneously — say, in Europe and Asia. In more recent budget and strategy documents, the military has been ordered to be prepared to decisively win one conflict while holding off an adversary’s aspirations in a second until sufficient forces could be mobilized and redeployed to win there.

Among the specifics: The army will swap its Black Hawks for the National Guard’s Apaches, which have more firepower; funding for cyberwarfare and Special Ops, two of Obama’s priorities, will continue at current levels; and the A-10 Warthog, which was designed to target Russian tanks in case they invaded Europe, will be retired. (Anyone in Kiev want to buy a jet?) I’m not qualified to say which cuts are smart and feasible and which are dangerously short-sighted but I know we have plenty of readers who are, so here’s your thread to sound off. I am qualified to say that a few years ago this type of move from a liberal president who’s already seen as provocatively weak would have raised holy hell on the right. Today, after a few more years of war-weariness, urgency among tea partiers for meaningful spending cuts, and the mainstreaming of “non-interventionism” by Rand Paul and other libertarians, it’s a closer call. Try gaming out the responses onstage at the first GOP 2016 debate when this subject is raised and you’ll find it’s not so easy. Some of it is — Rubio, a hawk in the McCain mold, will rip Obama for retreating — but candidates like Walker and Christie will try to walk a line between hawks and doves. So will Paul, actually: His big liability potentially is being seen as Ron Jr. on foreign policy so he may feel obliged to balance his praise for the “smaller, leaner military” approach with criticism of Obama for not beefing up certain areas. And what about Cruz? In a sense he has the opposite problem of Paul, wanting to attack Obama for weakening America but needing to find some merit in cuts to the budget.

Needless to say, this is the tip of the iceberg in decades to come as entitlements cannibalize more of America’s discretionary spending.


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Retire the A-10 mistake

gxbhkt on February 24, 2014 at 6:35 PM

I don’t understand what you mean. Anything to add that may help with me understanding you is appreciated.

Bmore on February 24, 2014 at 6:40 PM

We will know where to point our fingers.

thebrokenrattle on February 24, 2014 at 6:36 PM

George Bush? /sarc

sharrukin on February 24, 2014 at 6:40 PM

I do hope you a kidding. But, some people in this White House might really think it was the Germans who bombed Pearl Harbor and the atomic bomb was used to end World War I.

SC.Charlie on February 24, 2014 at 6:05 PM

Seriously? Has anyone here watched the movie Animal House?

Johnnyreb on February 24, 2014 at 6:42 PM

Surprised they don’t want to retire the B-52 fleet.

RickB on February 24, 2014 at 6:42 PM

Isn’t it interesting, when obama has seen the resignations and firings of the top generals of all the services, and he has replaced them with his toadies and fellow travelers, that the pentagon brass suddenly wants to destroy what is left. The Russians will cheer. There will be dancing in the streets of china and all the arab countries. He has done what he said he would. He is now a tin pot dictator. AND, AND the so called political brass left in command of the services has now changed their oath of allegiance to The Constitution to obama and the dhimocrapt marxist party.

Old Country Boy on February 24, 2014 at 6:43 PM

I worked in Army Force Structure fir a lot of years. The NG fought getting Cobra’s, (then replaced by Apaches) because the had to give up their Huey slicks.

“can’t throw bales of hay from a Cobra or Apache”

Can’t carry State VIP’s around either.

The NG Order of precedence for units is:

1. Band
2. Air ambulance Company
3. MP Battalion
4. Engr Battalion
5. Infantry Battalion
6. Truck Companies

the drill sgt on February 24, 2014 at 6:44 PM

My collie says:

Once again, the parallels with the fall of the Western Roman Empire are more than a bit unsettling.

Do people need to be reminded that Rome did NOT fall to the Goths because the Roman army was defeated by barbarian armies? In fact, by time the Goths sacked Rome, the empire was no longer capable of raising an army of any kind. They simply no longer had the means to pay anyone to oppose the Huns, the Goths, or anyone else, for that matter. The United States is clearly headed in the same direction.

CyberCipher on February 24, 2014 at 6:44 PM

Who needs to fight wars? After all, we’ve got him. The strategy here is to make friends with all the bad guys. That way they won’t feel the need to attack us.

And, our current friends and allies are honorable enough not to attack us anyway, so, looks like the end of conflict for the US is just about over.

Folks, we’re merely one big tax increase and a tattoo away from Utopia!

BobMbx on February 24, 2014 at 6:45 PM

As for A-10s?

USA has always hated them, because they are not fighters and support the Army. They have tried killing them multiple times, but refused to let the army take them over…

The Only time the USA likes A-10s,is when there is a war on and they relearn the lesson that they are great t SAR.

the drill sgt on February 24, 2014 at 6:46 PM

In fact, by time the Goths sacked Rome, the empire was no longer capable of raising an army of any kind.

They were too occupied with buggering each other and getting stoned to notice what was happening.

BobMbx on February 24, 2014 at 6:46 PM

Cuts like these may ultimately make nuclear war more likely.

Aplombed on February 24, 2014 at 6:35 PM

I agree. It also makes limited wars more likely. The U.S. has already went down this road in the 50s and early 60s. We built up a huge nuclear arsenal, believing a policy of assured destruction would prevent all war. However, all it did was make our military less flexible. It had one response to every type of provocation: nuclear weapons. This strategy got tweaked in the 60s so that we had flexible response, a concept that could somehow fathom the use of nuclear weapons in limited conflicts. Once our enemies figured out that we weren’t going to nuke them over a regional disagreement, they were free to do what they pleased and we were hard pressed to respond.

ReaganWasRight on February 24, 2014 at 6:47 PM

Do people need to be reminded that Rome did NOT fall to the Goths because the Roman army was defeated by barbarian armies?

And because Romans were not willing to serve the Empire and defend Rome

the drill sgt on February 24, 2014 at 6:48 PM

Surprised they don’t want to retire the B-52 fleet.

RickB on February 24, 2014 at 6:42 PM

They are going to retire themselves in the next decade due to age even with upgrades.

Johnnyreb on February 24, 2014 at 6:49 PM

I don’t object to cutting Defense. I object to only cutting Defense. Liberal sacred cows need to be cut as well. Let’s have some shared sacrifice.

SAZMD on February 24, 2014 at 6:26 PM

That’s my view, I think we should have cuts across the board. After six years of spending more than any other president in history, he decides to be fiscally restraint with the military? This is about Obama having another excuse not to cut welfare spending.

midgeorgian on February 24, 2014 at 6:49 PM

Obama knew that he’d take heat from Republicans for downsizing the military, but maybe not quite as much heat if he had a nominal Republican Useful Idiot in charge of the process.

slickwillie2001 on February 24, 2014 at 6:49 PM

When a full-scale war is required again (and it will), there will be the gnashing of teeth about how the military isn’t up to par. We will know where to point our fingers.

It won’t be anyone in Bammy’s admin gnashing teeth. They all want a neutered military not up to par. I think they all want the US divided up in little fiefdoms and no longer a world power able to wield military might sticking its nose into other nations business.

hawkeye54 on February 24, 2014 at 6:50 PM

Surprised they don’t want to retire the B-52 fleet.

RickB on February 24, 2014 at 6:42 PM

They are going to retire themselves in the next decade due to age even with upgrades.

Johnnyreb on February 24, 2014 at 6:49 PM

Send in the drones.

hawkeye54 on February 24, 2014 at 6:51 PM

Remember when the Jackass said this:

“We also have fewer horses and bayonets,” adding that fewer ships and planes were needed with aircraft carriers and nuclear submarines. “It’s not a game of Battleship, where we’re counting ships.”

slickwillie2001 on February 24, 2014 at 6:54 PM

the empire is broke…only fool can’t see it.

and I use the term “empire” figuratively

liberalrules on February 24, 2014 at 6:55 PM

That’s my view, I think we should have cuts across the board. After six years of spending more than any other president in history, he decides to be fiscally restraint with the military? This is about Obama having another excuse not to cut welfare spending.

midgeorgian on February 24, 2014 at 6:49 PM

“The age of austerity is over.” (Except for the US military.)

slickwillie2001 on February 24, 2014 at 6:55 PM

A-10

Bmore on February 24, 2014 at 6:55 PM

THE OATH

Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:–”I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of The United States and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States.”

The president and all officers of the US military take this Oath.

The American’s Creed enacted by Congress, 1917

I believe in the United States of America as a government of the people, by the people, for the people; whose just powers are derived from the consent of the governed, a democracy in a republic, a sovereign Nation of many sovereign States; a perfect union, one and inseparable; established upon those principles of freedom, equality, justice, and humanity for which American patriots sacrificed their lives and fortunes.

I therefore believe it is my duty to my country to love it, to support its Constitution, to obey its laws, to respect its flag, and to defend it against all enemies.

I guess if you are a Moslem or a Marxist, you can lie all you want to accomplish your ends or the end of The United States. Obama is merely keeping his word to Putin. The military brass have violated their oaths for political purposes, and according to t he UCMJ, should stand trial.

Old Country Boy on February 24, 2014 at 6:57 PM

It won’t be anyone in Bammy’s admin gnashing teeth. They all want a neutered military not up to par. I think they all want the US divided up in little fiefdoms and no longer a world power able to wield military might sticking its nose into other nations business.

hawkeye54 on February 24, 2014 at 6:50 PM

The only war we should be involved in is Afghanistan, Iraq is as illegal as they come.

The policeman of the world business has been enough. We can’t afford anymore.

6 trillion
in Iraq on people who don’t like us.
What travesty.

liberalrules on February 24, 2014 at 6:58 PM

Hagel announces plan to shrink army to pre-World War II levels

China, Russia, & Al Qaeda are happy to fill the void that the US will leave.

An interesting observation about liberals:
If the Constitution authorizes the federal government to do something, they want to cut or weaken it.
If the Constitution does not authorize the federal government to do something, they want to spend like crazy on it.

itsnotaboutme on February 24, 2014 at 6:58 PM

Everybody knows you never go full retard Europe….

wytshus on February 24, 2014 at 6:58 PM

the empire is broke…only fool can’t see it.

liberalrules on February 24, 2014 at 6:55 PM

So you agree that the welfare state has to be drastically cut back?

sharrukin on February 24, 2014 at 6:58 PM

If you look at my previous post, most people in fly-over-country would agree that Obama has not acted to preserve the Constitution but to destroy it, and is now not protecting and defending the Constitution, nor is he providing for the Common Defense, but destroying the military and establishing a paramilitary thuggery of his supporters.

We Will Remember!

Old Country Boy on February 24, 2014 at 7:00 PM

So you agree that the welfare state has to be drastically cut back?

sharrukin on February 24, 2014 at 6:58 PM

compared to the 6 trillion we spend in the Iraq war?

A war which should have never been fought?

Really….You want to compare welfare spending to 6 trillion dollars on people who probably hate you even more today than the day BUSH invaded Iraq?

What does America have to show for after wasting 6 trillion in Iraq?

liberalrules on February 24, 2014 at 7:00 PM

the empire is broke…only fool can’t see it.
and I use the term “empire” figuratively
liberalrules on February 24, 2014 at 6:55 PM

Although true, what other constitutionally mandated expenditure do you believe is a higher priority for congress to fund?

anuts on February 24, 2014 at 7:00 PM

In more recent budget and strategy documents, the military has been ordered to be prepared to decisively win one conflict while holding off an adversary’s aspirations in a second until sufficient forces could be mobilized and redeployed to win there.

With current technology and instant world-wide communications there is not likely to be as much time to draft, train, and mobilize sufficient forces for a second front as there was for past wars.

By the time the military could draft and train sufficient troops from the current generation of potential recruits who in general don’t have the same level of life skills that a 12 year old Boy Scout would have had in previous generations, the first and second conflicts will be long over.

wren on February 24, 2014 at 7:01 PM

I wonder if China or Russia will be downsizing as well. :-P

ThePrez on February 24, 2014 at 5:55 PM

Of course! That’s what unilateral disarmament means, right? Right? Oh, wait…

Midas on February 24, 2014 at 5:57 PM

If someone wants to search the military allocations in the budget, I’m pretty sure there will be an item there for the translation of Kumbaya into the languages of all our possible enemies including Austrian.

slickwillie2001 on February 24, 2014 at 7:02 PM

So, does Hagel thing 1940 force levels were a good thing?

hawksruleva on February 24, 2014 at 6:30 PM

He does if you think there is merit in “the final solution” to deal with the Jews. Which Hagel, of course, does. Emasculate the US military and let the Muslim animals deal with Israel.

Jew-haters everywhere rejoice and laud Hagel.

Happy Nomad on February 24, 2014 at 7:05 PM

the empire is broke…only fool can’t see it.

liberalrules on February 24, 2014 at 6:55 PM

Many have been saying just that for a long time. Why are you just now coming to it?

Bmore on February 24, 2014 at 7:06 PM

So you agree that the welfare state has to be drastically cut back?

sharrukin on February 24, 2014 at 6:58 PM

compared to the 6 trillion we spend in the Iraq war?

liberalrules on February 24, 2014 at 7:00 PM

$84 trillion and some reports have it at $128 trillion or more.

Report: Federal unfunded liabilities total $84 trillion

sharrukin on February 24, 2014 at 7:06 PM

Seriously? Has anyone here watched the movie Animal House?

Johnnyreb on February 24, 2014 at 6:42 PM

I haven’t seen it and even I knew that classic line.

thebrokenrattle on February 24, 2014 at 7:08 PM

The only war we should be involved in is Afghanistan, Iraq is as illegal as they come.

I don’t even think we should be so directly involved in Afghanistan, its just been a never ending drain on our personnel and resources, and the desired outcome would have us there forever.

You mean Iraq WAS as illegal as they come, I didn’t know we were still fighting there.

hawkeye54 on February 24, 2014 at 7:11 PM

The only war we should be involved in is Afghanistan, Iraq is as illegal as they come.

The policeman of the world business has been enough. We can’t afford anymore.

6 trillion in Iraq on people who don’t like us.
What travesty.

liberalrules on February 24, 2014 at 6:58 PM

Like all libruls, yyou make statements out of thin air not founded in face. But once you stat them you establish a tautology to prove them.

1) The Iraq war did not cost the United states 6 trillion dollars. The national ldbt did not increase that much during the entire tenure of the war, and we started that era in debt not even approaching that much.

2) Unlike Libya, the Iraq war war authorized by an act of congress.

3) After the Iraq war, on the obama watch only, the deficit of The United States has doubled that of all previous administrations put together. As near as anyone can tell, most of the proceeds of the debt increase went to dhimocraptic and obama cronies and unions. There were few “shovel ready” jobs. Most or all of the obama contracts have been issued without competitive bidding, but A-O trolls on HA seem to falsely accuse the republicans and military of this.

OK, now you “Liberalrules” troll: Have you ever taken the Oath to the Constitution? When I was growing up, every school kid could recite the American’s Creed. Can you recite it. OR, ARE YOU JUST ONE OF THE TAKERS!

Old Country Boy on February 24, 2014 at 7:12 PM

the empire is broke…only fool can’t see it.

liberalrules on February 24, 2014 at 6:55 PM

Many have been saying just that for a long time. Why are you just now coming to it?

Bmore on February 24, 2014 at 7:06 PM

Can’t be broke….we still have printing presses.

hawkeye54 on February 24, 2014 at 7:13 PM

My arthritis is bad and my keyboard is worse with google chrome popups constantly interrupting my typine. Apologize for the typos.

Old Country Boy on February 24, 2014 at 7:14 PM

They were too occupied with buggering each other and getting stoned to notice what was happening.

Yet one more thing we have in common with the Roman Empire….

bettercallputin on February 24, 2014 at 7:14 PM

$84 trillion and some reports have it at $128 trillion or more.

Report: Federal unfunded liabilities total $84 trillion

sharrukin on February 24, 2014 at 7:06 PM

Social security and Medicare are for tax payers…I have no issue with those.

Most people who us social security and medicare have already paid into it.

My money should not be used to fund free healthcare for an Iraqi while the Average American is struggling.

6 trillion of waste and you are still here defending it.
Time to scale back and recognize the empire is broke.

liberalrules on February 24, 2014 at 7:15 PM

The idea of cutting the military could be more understandable if it wasn’t pretty likely that any and all savings will be dumped on some welfare/liberal backed program. No doubt there are poor people who don’t have lap top computers.

We already have troops burned out from multiple deployments – what’s going to happen if we need those skilled troops back? NG troops are not going to be readily available but perhaps BO is content with letting Putin pick up our slack.

katiejane on February 24, 2014 at 7:15 PM

Pretty sick about this. Add it to the long list but put it at the top. There is a point where good people are going to say “screw this”: You can’t treat the military with this kind of contempt and expect to keep competent people who are willing to go die so the rest of America can turn itself into an obese, uninformed, infantalized, unfree, weak and decadent country that routinely, capriciously sends the military out on a limb and then cuts it off behind them.
You can only treat someone like a sucker for so long before they walk away.

V7_Sport on February 24, 2014 at 7:16 PM

What does America have to show for after wasting 6 trillion in Iraq?

liberalrules on February 24, 2014 at 7:00 PM

Europe has A LOT to show for the Iraq war. The EU was the primary beneficiary of that war. They still have their freedom and their socialist democracies. Had Saddam been able to shut down the supply of oil moving through the Persian gulf (with or w/o WMDs), it would have been the EU that faltered, not the U.S. Once again, the socialists are the source of all of our woes.

My collie says:

Funny how you’re all broken up about the money W “wasted” in Iraq. But Obozo wasted FAR MORE with his stimulus. And he’s not finished destroying economy. All the impacts are yet to be felt.

CyberCipher on February 24, 2014 at 7:17 PM

NG troops are not going to be readily available but perhaps BO is content with letting Putin pick up our slack.

Could be. Bammy did tell the Russians he’d be more flexible in this term.

hawkeye54 on February 24, 2014 at 7:17 PM

Time to scale back and recognize the empire is broke.

That’s a keeper. Shove that in its face every time it defends the stupid immoral welfare state.

Moron.

Murphy9 on February 24, 2014 at 7:17 PM

Social security and Medicare are for tax payers…I have no issue with those.

Most people who us social security and medicare have already paid into it.

liberalrules on February 24, 2014 at 7:15 PM

You really don’t quite grasp the concept of unfunded liabilities do you?

sharrukin on February 24, 2014 at 7:18 PM

Oddly enough they found a kazillion dollars to heavily adorn the A-10 base here in Tucson with butt loads of solar panels. Sun-Edison contract.

Do they know how to pizz away money, or what?

wolly4321 on February 24, 2014 at 7:19 PM

Good that President Obama has got a Republican to cut the defense department.

DoD has become a make-work department, a jobs program for Lockheed Martin, McDonnell Douglas and other defense contractors.

DoD – a mechanism to transfer tax payer money to private coffers by scaring the masses about all the dangers and why need so many bombs, tanks, and other useless junk.

Might_Is_Right on February 24, 2014 at 7:20 PM

recognize the empire is broke.

liberalrules on February 24, 2014 at 7:15 PM

You’ve said that twice. Epiphany?

Bmore on February 24, 2014 at 7:20 PM

Europe has A LOT to show for the Iraq war. The EU was the primary beneficiary of that war. They still have their freedom and their socialist democracies. Had Saddam been able to shut down the supply of oil moving through the Persian gulf (with or w/o WMDs), it would have been the EU that faltered, not the U.S. Once again, the socialists are the source of all of our woes.
CyberCipher on February 24, 2014 at 7:17 PM

So according to YOUR theory, America fought the Iraq war to protect Europeans not Americans?

Goodness!!! That even makes it worse. I’m not even sure why you went for this line of spin…it actually enhances my case.

liberalrules on February 24, 2014 at 7:20 PM

Another boost to low income, under educated employment. Raise the minimum wage, impose obamacare and gut the Army. Tell me how that helps minorities and poor kids get ahead?

NYCMike on February 24, 2014 at 7:21 PM

liberalrules on February 24, 2014 at 7:15 PM

Just FYI, you don’t sound “real”. You’re harping on the same lines and phrases over and over again like you’re reading from a script somebody gave you. I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you’re NOT Wumao Dang or sitting in a MoveOn.org office somewhere and advise you to get a thesaurus and tune down the incoherent moral outrage if you want anyone to take you seriously.

But I doubt that you do.

TaraMaclay on February 24, 2014 at 7:22 PM

You fell victim to one of the classic blunders – The most famous of which is “never get involved in a land war in Asia” – but only slightly less well-known is this: “Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line”!

Is Hagel Sicilian?

xNavigator on February 24, 2014 at 7:22 PM

You really don’t quite grasp the concept of unfunded liabilities do you?

sharrukin on February 24, 2014 at 7:18 PM

Unfunded liability? You’re talking WAY over libdrools head.

My collie says:

I’ve YET to meet a liberal that understood arithmetic well enough to balance his or her checkbook.

CyberCipher on February 24, 2014 at 7:22 PM

Among the specifics: The army will swap its Black Hawks for the National Guard’s Apaches,

This is a relatively minor point, but still incorrect.

The plan is for the Active Army to scrap it’s OH-58 Kiowa fleet and replace it with the National Guard’s AH-64 Apaches.

The OH-58 was scheduled for a glass cockpit modernization, similar to the other inventory aircraft. The Army is looking to save serious dollars by phasing the aircraft out entirely and replacing it with the more capable Apache, which, even though it costs more to fly per hour, is an aircraft that can perform in any theater on the planet.

The National Guard is getting some replacement Blackhawks as compensation for the states, but would still lose close to 100 aircraft on balance.

BadgerHawk on February 24, 2014 at 7:22 PM

wolly4321 on February 24, 2014 at 7:19 PM

They also spend a fortune on “green” energy projects/fuel to power our forces where we could save millions

CoffeeLover on February 24, 2014 at 7:22 PM

Most people who us social security and medicare have already paid into it.

liberalrules on February 24, 2014 at 7:15 PM

And the money they paid into it immediately got spent by congress on something else. The only thing that funds these entitlements are I.O.U’s.

Time to scale back and recognize the empire is broke.

So the next time islamists fly aircraft full of people into buildings full of people we’ll just pat ourselves on the back for having health care and forget about it.

V7_Sport on February 24, 2014 at 7:23 PM

You really don’t quite grasp the concept of unfunded liabilities do you?

sharrukin on February 24, 2014 at 7:18 PM

Who benefits from those programs? Americans!!!!

I have no issue with it whatsoever.
I’m sure there are ways to make SS and Medicare solvent for years to come.

As long as Americans are benefiting I’m OK with it.

An Iraqi enjoying free healthcare with my tax dollars is what I have issues with.

liberalrules on February 24, 2014 at 7:24 PM

Well, we knew it was coming…sorry, world, but you’re on your own now. We’ll bleed for this some day in the not too distant future, but that was baked into the cake when Obama won in 2008. The 21st century is going to be rough ride (again, not the way I thought it would be)…I wonder who replaces us and how bad they will be?

P.S. Don’t even think for a second that this will stop…we are going to simply evaporate as a world power, the way Britain did.

AUINSC on February 24, 2014 at 7:25 PM

My collie says:

I’ve YET to meet a liberal that understood arithmetic well enough to balance his or her checkbook.

CyberCipher on February 24, 2014 at 7:22 PM

You have a very clever dog.

sharrukin on February 24, 2014 at 7:25 PM

An Iraqi enjoying free healthcare with my tax dollars is what I have issues with.

liberalrules on February 24, 2014 at 7:24 PM

Are you a bigot?

Bmore on February 24, 2014 at 7:26 PM

I’m sure there are ways to make SS and Medicare solvent for years to come.

liberalrules on February 24, 2014 at 7:24 PM

Sure are. So how come your boy Harry Reid won’t allow any bills that deal with the problem to the senate floor?
I’ll wait.

JusDreamin on February 24, 2014 at 7:28 PM

Are you a bigot?

Bmore on February 24, 2014 at 7:26 PM

No I’m an American.

Explain to me why it makes sense for Americans to fund free healthcare in Iraq but not here at home?

liberalrules on February 24, 2014 at 7:28 PM

Who benefits from those programs? Americans!!!!

I have no issue with it whatsoever.

liberalrules on February 24, 2014 at 7:24 PM

Gee, I thought the empire was broke?

Funny that the empire can “get it on credit” when it comes to bennies for the obese poor watching American Idol on their big screen TVs at home, but cannot find the money to fund the military.

sharrukin on February 24, 2014 at 7:29 PM

An Iraqi enjoying free healthcare with my tax dollars is what I have issues with.

liberalrules on February 24, 2014 at 7:24 PM

Does that apply to illegal aliens crosiing the border as well?

sharrukin on February 24, 2014 at 7:30 PM

recognize the empire is broke.

liberalrules on February 24, 2014 at 7:15 PM

You’ve said that twice. Epiphany?

Bmore on February 24, 2014 at 7:20 PM

Respond to this.

Bmore on February 24, 2014 at 7:35 PM

Yeah because gutting the US military is a great idea…

Jack_Burton on February 24, 2014 at 7:35 PM

One thing that does amaze me is the president’s and the dhimocrapts’ ability to totally ignore the concept of fiscal responsibility as long as they are talking about buying votes, but it is top priority when it can be used as an excuse to reduce or destroy the Common Defense.

Everybody Remember!

By the way, it looks like libralrules has never taken the Oath to the Constitution.

Old Country Boy on February 24, 2014 at 7:39 PM

I keep wondering, of all the competent, intelligent, capable young African Americans in this country, why did they go and pick this one to become president? The man is insane!

scalleywag on February 24, 2014 at 7:40 PM

Does that apply to illegal aliens crosiing the border as well?

sharrukin on February 24, 2014 at 7:30 PM

libdrools thinks that it’s just PEACHY that Obama’s illegal alien auntie continues to live here in the U.S. — ESPECIALLY since she can suck up all those free government benefits including free healthcare

CyberCipher on February 24, 2014 at 7:40 PM

libdrools thinks that it’s just PEACHY that Obama’s illegal alien auntie continues to live here in the U.S. — ESPECIALLY since she can suck up all those free government benefits including free healthcare

CyberCipher on February 24, 2014 at 7:40 PM

But at least he/she/it is outrageously outraged at those Iraqi’s getting free healthcare! /sarc

It seems the empire is only selectively broke.

sharrukin on February 24, 2014 at 7:44 PM

What does America have to show for after wasting 6 trillion in Iraq on welfare?

Please enlighten us.

Wisdom_of_Homer on February 24, 2014 at 7:48 PM

Illegall alien auntie continues to live here in the U.S. —ESPECIALLY since she can suck up all those free government benefits including free healthcare CyberCipher on February 24, 2014 at 7:40 PM.

Don’t forget uncle DWI that got his liscense back so he could get to work at the liquer store.

Also an illegal.

wolly4321 on February 24, 2014 at 7:49 PM

What does America have to show for after wasting 6 trillion in Iraq on welfare?

Stupid fat fingers.

Wisdom_of_Homer on February 24, 2014 at 7:50 PM

Explain to me why it makes sense for Americans to fund free healthcare in Iraq but not here at home?

liberalrules on February 24, 2014 at 7:28 PM

…and what do you think we are doing for all the illegal aliens in this country?

KOOLAID2 on February 24, 2014 at 7:50 PM

sharrukin on February 24, 2014 at 7:44 PM

Too easy. ; )

Bmore on February 24, 2014 at 7:51 PM

…we only need drones…nothing else!

KOOLAID2 on February 24, 2014 at 7:51 PM

Hey, the welfare state is freaking expensive! You have to cut everything else to the bone to pay for it, and that means the military’s got to get squeezed just like everybody else.

Aitch748 on February 24, 2014 at 7:53 PM

Who benefits from those programs? Americans Political allies of the President!!!!

I have no issue with it whatsoever.

liberalrules on February 24, 2014 at 7:24 PM

Fixed.

Who pays for those programs? Americans!!!!

If the Constitution authorizes the federal government to do something (like the army), liberalrules wants to cut or weaken it.
If the Constitution does not authorize the federal government to do something, liberalrules wants to spend like crazy on it.

itsnotaboutme on February 24, 2014 at 8:03 PM

Republicans support the military welfare state, in part because it masks huge unemployment we have in the US.

Government cannot grow forever. We simply cannot support such a huge military and then be forced to hire vets when they come back.

antisense on February 24, 2014 at 8:07 PM

Note that there will not, or ever be, cuts in non-Pentagon civilian employment. After all, the only people the Obama regime ever fires for performance fails or personal scandals are ones in uniform.

kd6rxl on February 24, 2014 at 8:13 PM

republicans support the military welfare state, in part because it masks huge unemployment we have in the US. Government cannot grow forever. We simply cannot support such a huge military and then be forced to hire vets when they come back. antisense on February 24, 2014 at 8:07 Pm

Yea,, we want to hide 92 million out of the workforce in the military.

You define stupid.

wolly4321 on February 24, 2014 at 8:15 PM

There are 2,271,000 Federal employees.

That’s a larger Army out of uniform than in uniform.

wolly4321 on February 24, 2014 at 8:21 PM

Retire the A-10 mistake

gxbhkt on February 24, 2014 at 6:35 PM

Not really. Basically, it was never able to do CAS as it was designed to, even twenty years ago. There were plans to turn them into drones to get some use out of them in the future. Getting rid of their share of the support chain frees up money to be used more effectively.
The overall cuts are still a mistake, though, and we will pay for it down the road.

Count to 10 on February 24, 2014 at 8:37 PM

Has anybody wondered why this country hasn’t won a war since WWII?Well look at the Pentagon and the Joint Chiefs of Staff, these people spend all their time kissing the butts of politicans and not enough on planning how to win wars. This plan to reduce the size of our military and then cutting the pay of what’s is left will demoralize them and open this country to attack. Are these people just merely stupid or are they traitors?

savage24 on February 24, 2014 at 8:40 PM

My hometown paper downplayed this on their Twitter feed. I issued a correction.

BKeyser on February 24, 2014 at 8:41 PM

count to 10 on February 24, 2014 at 8:37 PM

I haven’t met a grunt yet that agrees with you on the A-10.
Thier support chain is relatively cheap, bounced off what the F-35′s will cost.

There’s no new money to be made. That’s all it’s about.

wolly4321 on February 24, 2014 at 8:47 PM

How about reducing the size of the Federal government to pre-WWll levels first, brighteyes?

Cleombrotus on February 24, 2014 at 8:47 PM

Has anybody wondered why this country hasn’t won a war since WWII?Well look at the Pentagon and the Joint Chiefs of Staff, these people spend all their time kissing the butts of politicans and not enough on planning how to win wars. This plan to reduce the size of our military and then cutting the pay of what’s is left will demoralize them and open this country to attack. Are these people just merely stupid or are they traitors?

savage24 on February 24, 2014 at 8:40 PM

I think the best definition of a traitor would be someone who wages a war under false pretenses. Where men as young as 19 are killed in the war, trillions spent on fighting the so called waged war based on “lies and half truths” (paraphrasing Colin Powell.)

That person would definitely qualify as a traitor in my book.
Only legitimate war we should have been involved in is Afghanistan and even that is debatable.

liberalrules on February 24, 2014 at 8:50 PM

What does America have to show for after wasting 6 trillion in Iraq?

liberalrules on February 24, 2014 at 7:00 PM

So you arrived at 6 Trillion did you??

Good for you.

Now get out yer handy dandy calculator, and add up the following:

Any and ALL Green Energy government subsidies.
The Stimulus (Including Son of, Bride of)
The EPIC Obamacare preparation spending by Federal Government,
and the ongoing Grotesque spending of said program…

and as an added Bonus, all the Hideously extravagant
VACATIONS his family of Grifters has soaked us with.

W Bush at least had an Economy from 200-2007 that offset
(thru revenues)the spending on the Iraq War…..
something you conveniently left out of your 6 Trillion LIE.

ToddPA on February 24, 2014 at 8:51 PM

Correction:
from 2003-2007

ToddPA on February 24, 2014 at 8:52 PM

H/T Bmore upthread,,

The A-10 that sucks at CAS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rGcn2XGr48&feature=youtube_gdata_player

wolly4321 on February 24, 2014 at 8:53 PM

I haven’t met a grunt yet that agrees with you on the A-10.
Thier support chain is relatively cheap, bounced off what the F-35′s will cost.

There’s no new money to be made. That’s all it’s about.

wolly4321 on February 24, 2014 at 8:47 PM

The “grunts” like it because its the plane that they interact with — because CAS is all it can do. It’s support chain may be cheaper than more capable aircraft, but you still save a lot by cutting it and using the other aircraft for CAS (they can do it just as well or better than the A-10).

Count to 10 on February 24, 2014 at 8:56 PM

Hey, who’s up for another couple percent increase in the unemployment number when many of the older engineers and technicians are released and drop out of actively looking for work?

OccamsRazor on February 24, 2014 at 8:59 PM

think the best definition of a traitor would be someone who wages a war under false pretenses. Where men as young as 19 are killed in the war, trillions spent on fighting the so called waged war based on “lies and half truths” (paraphrasing Colin Powell.) That person would definitely qualify as a traitor in my book. Only legitimate war we should have been involved in is Afghanistan and even that is debatable. liberalrules on February 24, 2014 at 8:50 PM

So which “d”‘s voted for authorization of force? All of them?

And I think even Powell was singing a different tune in front of the UN General Assembly.

wolly4321 on February 24, 2014 at 9:00 PM

It’s support chain may be cheaper than more capable aircraft, but you still save a lot by cutting it and using the other aircraft for CAS (they can do it just as well or better than the A-10).

Count to 10 on February 24, 2014 at 8:56 PM

So they keep claiming and they keep trying to get rid of the A-10. Then real conflicts prove that the other aircraft cannot perform as well and they bring the A-10 back.

sharrukin on February 24, 2014 at 9:02 PM

Been baking the “America’s not Exceptional” cookie all afternoon in honor of The Presidents “Transformation” of our society. They’ve got no sugar and someone else is going to end up eating them, anyway.

Cookie?

famous amos on February 24, 2014 at 9:04 PM

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