Four Pinocchios to Obama on Medicaid-expansion claims

posted at 8:41 am on February 24, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

It’s not the first time that the Washington Post’s Glenn Kessler has dropped a bunch of Pinocchios on claims from Democrats on Medicaid expansion, and it looks like it won’t be the last, either. Kessler even gave himself three Pinocchios a month ago for initially buying the White House spin on the Medicaid numbers. Today, he gives Barack Obama the maximum four Pinocchios for claiming that ObamaCare has resulted in seven million enrollments in the federal program for low-income Americans:

“We’ve got close to 7 million Americans who have access to health care for the first time because of Medicaid expansion.”

– President Obama, remarks during dinner with the Democratic Governors Association, Feb. 20, 2014

The Fact Checker has written several times about the fuzziness of the Medicaid numbers issued by the Obama administration. But it is like playing whack-a-mole. Every time we rap someone for getting it wrong, the same problem pops up someplace else.

The problem is, as it has been, Democrats using the total number of Medicaid enrollments over the last few months, which comes to slightly over seven million. That includes, however, enrollments in states that refused to participate in the Medicaid expansion of ObamaCare, which account for 2.3 million of those enrollments. That takes the number to 4.8 million — but as Kessler has repeatedly explained since giving himself three Pinocchios on the point, that still includes people who would have been eligible without the Medicaid expansion.

How many does that leave? That depends on who you ask, because believe it or not, HHS never bothered to ask enrollees. Politico reports today that ObamaCare numbers on the previously uninsured moving to both Medicaid and private insurance are unreliable because HHS didn’t bother to provide questions that would have provided that data:

When you go to all this trouble to cover the uninsured, is it really that unreasonable to ask how many uninsured people Obamacare has covered so far?

The answer, apparently, is: Yes. It’s unreasonable.

The truth is, nobody has a good, real-time fix on how successful the Affordable Care Act has been in reducing the ranks of the uninsured. The Obama administration hasn’t been able to say how many of the 3.3 million people who have signed up for private health insurance coverage, or of the 6.3 million who have been determined eligible for Medicaid, were actually uninsured before — and health care experts aren’t sure yet, either.

There have been a couple of surveys, and at least one state — New York — has been keeping track of how many people were uninsured when they applied for coverage. But their answers are so wildly different that all we can say is, it’s either a tiny minority that were uninsured, or it’s most of them.

Two different groups have estimated the extent to which ObamaCare has expanded Medicaid to the uninsured. One is Acela, which estimates the figure at between 1.1 million and 1.8 million. Kessler also quotes Charles Gaba, who puts the number at 2.6 million. Both are far below Barack Obama’s claims, and also far below what the administration expected to see by this stage. The most motivated of all the uninsured should have been those eligible for Medicaid, and yet we haven’t seen a rush to enroll — and those who are motivated to do so probably already have. That means there won’t be a big spike coming in the next couple of months.

Kessler wonders how the President could be so ignorant of the weakness of this data:

In any case, no matter how you slice it, it does not add up to 7 million. It is dismaying that given all of the attention to this issue, the president apparently does not realize that the administration’s data are woefully inadequate for boastful assertions of this type.

I’d say it has less to do with ignorance than apathy. He doesn’t care whether the numbers are accurate or worthwhile — he just wants the talking point.


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In any case, no matter how you slice it, it does not add up to 7 million. It is dismaying that given all of the attention to this issue, the president apparently does not realize that the administration’s data are woefully inadequate for boastful assertions of this type.

I hope that’s not a serious quote. Obama says what he needs to say at any given time to get through to the next news cycle. If people haven’t figured that out by now, they’re either morons or they’re members of the Democrat/media complex carrying water for the guy.

Doughboy on February 24, 2014 at 8:45 AM

Obozo is incapable of ever telling the truth. That’s why only stupid people still like the traitor.

Flange on February 24, 2014 at 8:45 AM

Breaking: Lying liars caught in lies

Chuck Schick on February 24, 2014 at 8:47 AM

When you go to all this trouble to cover the uninsured, is it really that unreasonable to ask how many uninsured people Obamacare has covered so far?

The answer, apparently, is: Yes. It’s unreasonable.

The truth is, nobody has a good, real-time fix on how successful the Affordable Care Act has been in reducing the ranks of the uninsured.

They don’t want a good number because they know it would show that OCare doesn’t do what they promised it would.

Kessler wonders how the President could be so ignorant of the weakness of this data.

He’s not ignorant of the bad data – he’s just lying about it – which is just SOP for him.

climbnjump on February 24, 2014 at 8:49 AM

How about getting to bottom line–is there even 1 more insured now that on Dec 31st, 2013?

hillsoftx on February 24, 2014 at 8:50 AM

I’d say it has less to do with ignorance than apathy. He doesn’t care whether the numbers are accurate or worthwhile — he just wants the talking point.

Yeah it goes to the narrative that Obamacare is “helping” millions of parasites who were previously uninsured. The filthy liar neglects to mention the millions of hard-working Americans who are no longer insured thanks to his namesake ponzi scheme.

Happy Nomad on February 24, 2014 at 8:50 AM

That’s not apathy. At best it’s cowardice. More likely it’s evasion and wanton ignorance with intent to deceive, lying by self-delusion.

Obama is Liberalism Perfected and Liberalism Personified. He is an avatar of this diabolical mind parasite (h/t to Gagdad Bob).

njcommuter on February 24, 2014 at 8:52 AM

It is dismaying that given all of the attention to this issue, the president apparently does not realize that the administration’s data are woefully inadequate for boastful assertions of this type.

And Goebbels’s continues to repeat those falsehoods about the Jews. I just don’t know why.

kcewa on February 24, 2014 at 8:52 AM

I’d say it has less to do with ignorance than apathy.

Why give credit to apathy when there’s is so much proof of incompetence at hand? I seriously doubt he is apathetic about the one thing he knows for sure he will be judged on forever. History will hammer his nuts over Obamafail as it is.

HotAirian on February 24, 2014 at 8:52 AM

Money quote right at the end there Ed

Crickets on the lsm about this, natch

cmsinaz on February 24, 2014 at 8:53 AM

Why has there been no rush to get covered?

Because unlike the Democrats would like everyone to believe, most Americans are not one breath away from death so getting covered is not a top priority.

Democrats push their statist plans by pushing the notion that everyone is one paycheck from bankruptcy, one meal from starvation, one breath from death etc. and the only solution is more government.

When can we push back against this false depiction of We the People?

Charlemagne on February 24, 2014 at 8:53 AM

Who thinks Obama is a better Liar than either of the Clintons?

I would say he loses out on style points but more than makes up for it with brazen indifference to getting called out on it.

The Clintons will at least try to weasel and shift the subject, Obama will double down to your face and call YOU the Liar…..and get away with it because he is so narcissistic and quick of his feet.

Mord on February 24, 2014 at 8:54 AM

Alternate headline: Tea Party folks were right about ObamaCare and the Lefties we so very, very wrong.

tobes on February 24, 2014 at 8:55 AM

But it is like playing whack-a-mole. Every time we rap someone for getting it wrong, the same problem pops up someplace else.

Because the Left’s entire philosophy is based on a lie: that government can be a benevolent overlord handing out all sorts of goodies if just the right people are in place. We are all flawed and a flawed dictatorship will result in nasty thing happening.

rbj on February 24, 2014 at 8:56 AM

He doesn’t care that his numbers are off because so many Americans won’t bother trying to get the truth. They will hear his talking point and that’s it. That’s how he gets away with so much lying period. Low Information Voters.

Charlemagne on February 24, 2014 at 8:57 AM

All politicians tend to stretch the truth in their favor (all people, I suppose), but Obama has raised deceit to a whole new level. I am fairly familiar with American history, and honestly can’t think of another political figure so steeped in deception. Maybe Aaron Burr, two hundred-plus years ago? I think Obama is truly “post-modern,” and defines “truth” as “that which most helps me at this particular time.” He is also intensely cynical, to be sure, but in fact I doubt that he has any subjective sense that he is lying anymore, even when he clearly is.

SacredFire on February 24, 2014 at 9:02 AM

The creepy Dem-Media relationship can get downright sadomasochistic at times.

mjbrooks3 on February 24, 2014 at 9:05 AM

Slightly O/T, but in the same vein..

The MD health exchange was expecting over 200k of enrollees. They are no where near that. So they revised the number down by 100k.

Now they are over expectations!

Great success!!

I say this because I am expecting to see this sort of thing happen when open enrolment is done with the Fed site.

Assuming it ever closes.

Gatsu on February 24, 2014 at 9:09 AM

Obama: If you like your own math, you can keep it!

Rovin on February 24, 2014 at 9:10 AM

I don’t think that obama even cares whether or not people know he is completely full of excrement, that he is as dishonest, ethically and morally corrupted as this winter has been cold and long. He still has his legions of useful idiots, true believers, and the media to parrot and defend his ever growing body of lies. And he’s got his, so screw the rest of you.

SteveThomas on February 24, 2014 at 9:11 AM

Glenn Kessler is naieve. Obama is “post-modern”. To Obama, there is no objective truth. Truth is whatever you decide that it is. That’s why it’s not problematic to through around stats that are demonstrably false.

Steelweaver52 on February 24, 2014 at 9:11 AM

That’s not apathy. At best it’s cowardice. More likely it’s evasion and wanton ignorance with intent to deceive, lying by self-delusion.

njcommuter on February 24, 2014 at 8:52 AM

Ignorance my butt, it is an out-and-out lie, just like, “if you like your plan, you can keep your plan. Period.”

ladyingray on February 24, 2014 at 9:17 AM

The real proof will come when the insurance companies start screaming to be bailed out. Then it will all hit the fan, because the Democrats will have to go to the Republicans and beg, yes beg, for lots of money to bail them out. Forget what the Obamacare law says about giving an automatic bailout to the insurance companies. If the House of Representatives wants to tie up the funding, it can do it, regardless of what the law says. If Obama can unilaterally ignore the very same law by changing it almost 30 times, so can the House. It’s all going to hit the fan in a few months and I don’t think the Democrats up for election in 2014 are going to want to be anywhere near it.

Libertyship46 on February 24, 2014 at 9:18 AM

Kessler wonders how the President could be so ignorant of the weakness of this data

Did Kessler just arrive from Ceti Alpha 5 or something?

BobMbx on February 24, 2014 at 9:20 AM

The MD health exchange was expecting over 200k of enrollees. They are no where near that. So they revised the number down by 100k.

Gatsu on February 24, 2014 at 9:09 AM

Has it really come to this? Freestaters refusing to sign up for Obamacare to make the rat-eared wonder look bad. I would have never pegged Maryland as a racist state.

Happy Nomad on February 24, 2014 at 9:25 AM

In any case, no matter how you slice it, it does not add up to 7 million. It is dismaying that given all of the attention to this issue, the president apparently does not realize that the administration’s data are woefully inadequate for boastful assertions of this type.

In other words, “I can’t believe the president is such a BLATANTLY BAD and UNAPOLOGETIC liar.”

Armyspouse on February 24, 2014 at 9:25 AM

He doesn’t care whether the numbers are accurate or worthwhile — he just wants the talking point.

^^THIS^^

Flora Duh on February 24, 2014 at 9:26 AM

In order to maintain and extend its control over us, the state presumes itself entitled to know everything it wants to know about each person. At the same time, we are allowed to know only that which serves the state’s interests to have us know, employing its media sycophants to impart the party line.

While the wielders of state power insist on babbling their divisive, redistributionist bromides about egalitarianism, there is one form of “equality” that terrifies them: a world in which knowledge, and the intellectual skills of analysis, are shared equally by all. The specter of intelligent, informed minds, centrifuged across all mankind, would deprive the statists of their most valued quality: the arrogance interwoven into the fabric of their roles of philosopher-kings, armed with the coercive power of the state to enforce their self-serving visions upon the submissive collective of humanity.

donabernathy on February 24, 2014 at 9:29 AM

Even if Obama wasn’t lying between his teeth, why would 7 million new Medicaid enrollees be something to brag about. All that means is that we have yet another entitlement program that can’t be paid for by the taxpayers. Meanwhile, the Marxist is weakening our military on a daily basis.

cajunpatriot on February 24, 2014 at 9:34 AM

You’ve gat to hand to the media, BHO gets away with not knowing anything about F&F, Benghazi, or the IRS. Then he gets a pass on health care, climate change, and the economy where everything he knows is wrong.

antipc on February 24, 2014 at 9:36 AM

Has it really come to this? Freestaters refusing to sign up for Obamacare to make the rat-eared wonder look bad. I would have never pegged Maryland as a racist state.

Happy Nomad on February 24, 2014 at 9:25 AM

Just saw it on the news this morning. The local station said they revised the numbers downward due to the “troubled website” and “lowered expectations” by way of sign-ups. Now all of a sudden, with 100k less people to worry about, they are on track.

Weird how that works isn’t it. Typical of MD to be honest.

Also, you spelled Freestate wrong, remove the “r”. ;)

Gatsu on February 24, 2014 at 9:37 AM

gat?

antipc on February 24, 2014 at 9:38 AM

Democrats lied to get ObamaCare passed. Now they’re lying about the results.

Go figure.

GarandFan on February 24, 2014 at 9:42 AM

He doesn’t care whether the numbers are accurate or worthwhile — he just wants the talking point.

And his followers take his cue and are happy to repeat the same.

lynncgb on February 24, 2014 at 9:44 AM

Too bad they could not give Obama 5 Pinocchios, because he deserves them for such a flagrant lie

Dr.B on February 24, 2014 at 9:51 AM

He’s bragging (and lying as usual) about putting millions of people on welfare.

Politicians used to brag about getting people off welfare.

forest on February 24, 2014 at 9:51 AM

“We’ve got close to 7 million …”

I’m sure the number is closer to 7 million than say … 50 billion .. but just because it may have some truth doesn’t mean it means anything useful.

Inoperative. Inoperative. That statement is inoperative.

J_Crater on February 24, 2014 at 9:53 AM

It all started with the economic abyss and continued through shovel ready. We can now look back with fondness on those days. Actually, this is just modern history. Some people can still remember when it was thought that FDR caused Pearl Harbor or ignored signs of it just to get the US into WW2. It certainly did end the great depression.

Kissmygrits on February 24, 2014 at 9:58 AM

Is this President un-efing believable or what?

kjatexas on February 24, 2014 at 9:59 AM

If you go to the WaPo story, it is rather amusing to watch the (obviously) paid political consultants attacking the story in the comments section. One guy has put up about 20 posts (so far), as if he thinks that he can shoot down the story that way.

It isn’t working.

Tom Servo on February 24, 2014 at 10:00 AM

When can we push back against this false depiction of We the People?

Charlemagne on February 24, 2014 at 8:53 AM

When the ‘people’ get smarter.

Which is never!

Lanceman on February 24, 2014 at 10:04 AM

Ask Glenn Kessler and the morons at Politico if they’d vote for Obama again. Answer? Unequivocally, yes.

spinach.chin on February 24, 2014 at 10:11 AM

Any idea that the lack of reliable information about the performance of O-Care is an accident, oversight, or administrative failure is born of serious ignorance. Nothing done by, or under the purview of this administration can be accurately measured, and it is this way by design, lest the truth of their criminality, not mere incompetence, be clear to all.

What vested interest do they have in providing useful information about a system which is stitched together by myriad small failures? What does it profit the statist to ever tell the truth about their tyranny?

Wake up.

Closer to topic, under the heading of “why haven’t more people enrolled in Medicaid”, I would think that many rational Americans would rather remain uninsured, than to give up the right to own real property, vehicles, or valuable possessions. You have to prove that you have close to nothing to qualify, and you sign over to the state your chances of ever crawling up out of such a hole. Pensions and SS payments become subject to state grab, since to remain eligible for Medicaid any income must remain fixed.

Freelancer on February 24, 2014 at 10:12 AM

It has to go back to his childhood when all his parents abandoned him so he made up lies about why…

“…he (Obama)told us that his father was an Indonesian king and that he was a prince, and after he finished school he was going to go back, and he would be a ruler in Indonesia. And I absolutely believed him.

I understand that he told his fifth-grade class that he was Kenyan royalty, but I never heard that story until years later. My sister and I remember very clearly that he was an Indonesian prince and that he would be going back there.”
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/government-elections-politics/choice-2012/the-frontline-interview-kristen-caldwell/

Obama: A lifelong liar.

albill on February 24, 2014 at 10:14 AM

4 makes it so when he has only 3, it’s a 25% improvement, actually 33%, no, by libs it’s a huge difference of 66%…

Regardless, it’s better than 5, so it’s 25% or 20% or 40% better than it could be, meaning everything is just perfect…

right2bright on February 24, 2014 at 10:15 AM

In order to maintain and extend its control over us, the state presumes itself entitled to know everything it wants to know about each person. At the same time, we are allowed to know only that which serves the state’s interests to have us know, employing its media sycophants to impart the party line.

donabernathy on February 24, 2014 at 9:29 AM

Yes, yes, and again, yes. It’s the only way they can succeed.

CPRforAmerica on February 24, 2014 at 10:21 AM

Joe Wilson (R-SC). Psychic.

BigAlSouth on February 24, 2014 at 10:22 AM

The idiot liberals will never be convinced . . . they have an inherent immunity from facts, truth and common sense.

rplat on February 24, 2014 at 10:28 AM

Why are we wasting time with the whole Pinocchios thing with Obama. They need to just start calling him what he is, a damn liar and a despicable fraud.

The Liar-in-Chief might be a good title to start carrying forward for Obamism.

Meople on February 24, 2014 at 10:29 AM

Kessler wonders how the President could be so ignorant of the weakness of this data.

If he really ‘wonders’ this, it simply means he hasn’t learned from being duped before, and is *letting* himself be duped again.

Obama’s not ignorant of the weakness of the data – he knows it’s bullshit, and he’s lying – again, and always.

Wake the f*ck up, Kessler. Geez, what does it take?

Midas on February 24, 2014 at 10:35 AM

Medicaid numbers are growing too because as we have heard from some Obamacare applicants, if your income is below a certain point, you are not given a choice of Medicaid or an Obamacare subsidized policy. You will be forced into Medicaid.

slickwillie2001 on February 24, 2014 at 10:45 AM

It is dismaying that given all of the attention to this issue, the president apparently does not realize that the administration’s data are woefully inadequate for boastful assertions of this type.

I’d say it has less to do with ignorance than apathy. He doesn’t care whether the numbers are accurate or worthwhile — he just wants the talking point.

Obama and his administration are freakin’ liars! Why do the press and bloggers not say this outright and call them on it? Why be apologists for crooks and thieves?

Vince on February 24, 2014 at 10:49 AM

If he really ‘wonders’ this, it simply means he hasn’t learned from being duped before, and is *letting* himself be duped again.

Midas on February 24, 2014 at 10:35 AM

Sometimes you find yourself in a situation that is so unbelievable that you can’t believe you were so wrong, so duped, that you must cling to just even the tiniest bits of hope that you weren’t that deceived.

He is just one of millions that are trying to deal with such a situation.

CPRforAmerica on February 24, 2014 at 10:50 AM

Joe Wilson (R-SC). Psychic.

BigAlSouth on February 24, 2014 at 10:22 AM

The only honest man in Washington? Not psychic, but courageous.

Vince on February 24, 2014 at 10:51 AM

A bit OT but ties in to a lack of respect for the liar-in-chief. Has anyone seen these German parade float? And just in case you think it’s not real of photoshopped I got this off snopes.

Obama is the laughing stock of the world

neyney on February 24, 2014 at 11:18 AM

geesh sorry about the typos

PIMF!

neyney on February 24, 2014 at 11:19 AM

Calling the American people dumb is a tad harsh as most do not follow politics like we do. Unless it affects them directly, they do not pay attention. For example, take the idiotic ACA. Polls do show that a small majority were against the idea behind The ACA and the actual bill. But they were not really all that interested in the actual affect of the bill until it hit them between the eyes. Should they have learned more about the bill? Sure, but that is not the way it works.

Take me for example……I had never read an actual bill until 10 years ago; and for a lot of my adult life, never written an elected official, read a political magazine in detail, searched the internet for political information or had discussions about politics like I do now. I was busy with life seven days a week from 4:30am till 9:00pm. I let the media pick my candidate so to speak. Case in point…..I voted for President Carter because I knew the family, I voted for Newt because the ex-wife’s family knew his family very well (neighbours), and I saw one speech by President Reagan and voted for him against President Carter. I was a typical lofo and had no idea of their policies and vision. Bet you never thought I would have voted for Newt, eh.

What was my point? For those lofo’s, the social media will pick their candidate for them. Strangely enough I would say 50% or more of the lofs’s I know lean conservative; they either don’t understand your candidate’s visions or your candidates get framed by the MSM in a negative light.

I will admit that if I was a still lofo and happened to read this site, I would not like being called dumb. Ignorant would be a better description. Don’t get me wrong, as in my current state, I enjoy reading this site.

HonestLib on February 24, 2014 at 11:31 AM

A year ago the “pundits” were talking about Obamacare being Mr. Obama’s legacy of office. And, like it or not, that was a reasonable discussion and Health care was likely, in fact, to be his legacy.

Unfortunately…but accurately, for historical puposes…all that has been changed. I think that as of now, his legacy will to have set a new standard for lying to the American people by an President.

It is one thing to lie, recognize the lie, apologize and then move on, being sure to stay closer to the truth. It is totally another situation to not only avoid all but the smallest acknowledgment of the lie, double down and even extend your lying, proving beyond any shadow of a doubt that you are NOT trustworthy. And that is what President Obama has done with, at the very least, Obamacare and Benghazi. Only time will tell if the IRS turns out to be the same.

I don’t want a President who is a liar. I particularly believe it is dangerous to have a lying President who apparently doesn’t even believe he is lying…even in the face of facts. No matter what his position, that is a very dangerous man, because he doesn’t make decisions based on reality, but on his internal perception.

He shows no shame, and no awareness of his misbehavior. He is dangerous.

TKPedersen42 on February 24, 2014 at 11:34 AM

I remember early in Obama’s first term, he had a big conference on America’s contribution to gun violence in Mexico, with the trafficking of illegal guns from here (before fast and furious blew up like a clown cigar in Obama’s mouth, on the national scene).

Obama quoted some gun stats, which were verified as wildly inaccurate by a number of non mainstream media independent news sources. Main stream media, of course, didn’t care to verify the gun stats, but they nonetheless featured Obama’s statements anyway.

My thought back then was, either this guy, for all his supposed brilliance, is too stupid to verify the accuracy of the stats before blaring them to a national audience, or he KNOWS his stats are BS, but doesn’t care, because he wants to advance a narrative and agenda.

I used to waste time wondering if he was just incompetent, or a liar, but it’s clear now he’s proven to be both, on many occasions.

Cavalry on February 24, 2014 at 11:46 AM

shouldn’t increases in Medicaid rolls be considered an economic failure in the first part?

Secondly, Medicaid as a program, on the whole, is awful for users.

http://www.redstate.com/2013/11/20/medicaid-a-placebo-for-the-poor/

smitty41 on February 24, 2014 at 12:18 PM

Let Math solve it’s own problem.

philoise65 on February 24, 2014 at 12:45 PM

The real question is not how many people are now covered by Medicaid that were not formerly covered, it is why were those people not covered. Who have we extended coverage to and increased our government debt as a result that did not or could not have coverage before? Middle class people formerly not eligible by income? Illegal residents?

Techster64 on February 24, 2014 at 12:51 PM

Here in Washington State we were treated to a story of a woman who attempted to get medical insurance through the Washington Exchange. After filling out all the forms, she was taken to a page that wanted to enroll her into Medicaid or Medicare, whatever the hell it is. She got upset because she couldn’t choose not to take it. There was no “back” button or “cancel” button. The exchange had decided she was eligible for it and therefore she had to take it. But she didn’t want it. She wanted to pay for medical insurance.

I wonder how many of those cases there are.

Baggi on February 24, 2014 at 12:53 PM

I’d say it has less to do with ignorance than apathy. He doesn’t care whether the numbers are accurate or worthwhile — he just wants the talking point.

If I knew that may audience was the donk base, I’d lie for sport, too:

“The sun rises in the south and sets in the north!”
“The moon is made of green cheese!”
“Sir Edmund Hillary climbed Mt. Everest in 1947!”

As long as it comes from a trusted source — i.e., another donk — donks will swallow all of this, and more. After a while, I’d lie for the fun, the thrill, the sheer JOY… of lying.

That’s where King Barry-O the First is at right now.

Spurius Ligustinus on February 24, 2014 at 12:55 PM

“We’ve got close to 7 million Americans who have access to health care for the first time because of Medicaid expansion.”

Flat. Out. Wrong!

Not having insurance is not the same as not having access.

taznar on February 24, 2014 at 12:55 PM

I’d say it has less to do with ignorance than apathy. He doesn’t care whether the numbers are accurate or worthwhile — he just wants the talking point.

Ignorance? Apathy? The man lies as a matter of policy.

Barnestormer on February 24, 2014 at 2:25 PM

Liars LIE…and every word that comes out of the man’s mouth is a lie! he makes ‘Baghdad Bob’ llok like the most honesy guy in the world!

easyt65 on February 24, 2014 at 2:32 PM

The specter of intelligent, informed minds, centrifuged across all mankind, would deprive the statists of their most valued quality: the arrogance interwoven into the fabric of their roles of philosopher-kings, armed with the coercive power of the state to enforce their self-serving visions upon the submissive collective of humanity.

donabernathy on February 24, 2014 at 9:29 AM

Beautifully done, sir!
Always enjoy reading your comments.

AesopFan on February 24, 2014 at 3:00 PM

What was my point? For those lofo’s, the social media will pick their candidate for them. Strangely enough I would say 50% or more of the lofs’s I know lean conservative; they either don’t understand your candidate’s visions or your candidates get framed by the MSM in a negative light.

I will admit that if I was a still lofo and happened to read this site, I would not like being called dumb. Ignorant would be a better description. Don’t get me wrong, as in my current state, I enjoy reading this site.

HonestLib on February 24, 2014 at 11:31 AM

I have enjoyed your comments very much; it is always worthwhile to “see how we look” from the outside, as relayed by a serious non-trolling responder.
We can always benefit from the presentation of evidence and reasonable arguments that our own “knee-jerk” (or even carefully considered) positions might be less than correct.

I also agree that we should treat everyone with respect (even the trolls) in hopes of convincing them to abandon their false perceptions.
Those who refuse to consider evidence or rational argument should be ignored, but not demeaned.
Who knows when something will actually get through and change their minds?

AesopFan on February 24, 2014 at 3:07 PM

Any idea that the lack of reliable information about the performance of O-Care is an accident, oversight, or administrative failure is born of serious ignorance. Nothing done by, or under the purview of this administration can be accurately measured, and it is this way by design…

Freelancer on February 24, 2014 at 10:12 AM

That’s exactly right. The Party of Science™ is at it again.

xNavigator on February 24, 2014 at 4:04 PM

I’d say it has less to do with ignorance than apathy. He doesn’t care whether the numbers are accurate or worthwhile — he just wants the talking point.

When he gave the Fox interview on Obamacare with Brett Baier, I found the most striking part was not that Obama had no idea what was actually in the bill, but that he also did not seem to care about what was in the bill. I don’t believe he has read a significant portion of it to this day.

He doesn’t care about governing. He just wants the perks and the adulation.

He has been given a pass, mostly based on his skin color, his entire life. I don’t think he is capable of changing his character at this point, and why would he? What would that get him?

talkingpoints on February 24, 2014 at 5:29 PM