Will Abbas recognize Israel as a Jewish state?

posted at 9:31 am on February 23, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

The answer to that question is …. depends on who you ask. As John Kerry tries to pressure both sides of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict into a negotiated two-state solution, the Palestinian Authority seemed to offer a glimmer of hope that Mahmoud Abbas would finally offer recognition of Israel as a Jewish state, which for the Israelis is the first principle of the negotiations:

US Ambassador to Israel Dan Shapiro asserted on Friday that the framework peace deal currently being negotiated by US Secretary of State of John Kerry will include Palestinian recognition of Israel as “the nation state of the Jewish people.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s insistence that Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas recognize Israel’s Jewishness has been a sticking point in negotiations, with the Palestinians refusing to accede to a demand that would tacitly do away with Palestinian hopes for a “right of return” for refugees and their descendants.

“It’s too early to know what compromises and concessions both sides will make,” Shapiro told Israel Radio on Friday morning. “But we do believe… that Israel deserves recognition as a Jewish state. That has always been US policy — that Israel is a Jewish state and should remain a Jewish state. That will be one of the elements of the framework we’re working on.”

Well, that’s certainly the US position, and has been since 1948. That hasn’t been the position at all of the Palestinian Authority or its predecessor, the PLO. They have demanded the right to return as their own sine que non of the standoff, which means that Israel would have to allow all Palestinians and their descendants to return to their homes before the 1948 war launched by Arab nations to wipe out the Jewish state of Israel. Such a demand would destroy the integrity of the Jewish state, which has been the ultimate goal of the PLO and PA, and the reason why frameworks in this conflict always collapse. If the US got that concession from Abbas, that would be a huge, dramatic development.

That, however, is a mighty big if, and the PA scotched the leak quickly:

Ideas proposed by US Secretary of State John Kerry to Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas cannot “serve as the basis for a framework accord” with Israel, a Palestinian official said Friday.

“The ideas proposed cannot be accepted by the Palestinian side as the basis for a framework accord between the Palestinians and Israel as they do not take into account the legitimate rights of the Palestinian people,” he told AFP, speaking on condition of anonymity, after Abbas and Kerry met in Paris this week.

“The Palestinian position explained to Mr. Kerry is that the proposed ideas, particularly the insistences on recognition of the state of Israel as the Jewish nation-state, are unacceptable,” the official said.

AFP had this story late Friday, and in its original form it included the objection to recognition of Israel as a Jewish state. By yesterday, the report changed to eliminate the objection to the recognition issue. Given the centrality of this issue to the negotiations, it’s curious that AFP chose to eliminate it from the story overnight.

It appears that the US either tried to pressure Abbas into agreeing to recognizing Israel as a Jewish state, or he agreed and then reneged. I’d tend to believe the former more than the latter, in part because the US tends to do this a lot, even though it doesn’t seem to work very often, and in this case may make it more difficult for Abbas to accept the position — assuming he ever will. The problem isn’t the two-state solution so much as it is the refusal of the Palestinian Authority to actually accept it as an end result. They want an end to the Jewish state, period, and they’re not likely to accept any solution that falls short of that goal.

That’s not the only spectre of a “right of return,” either. A plan by Spain to offer citizenship to the descendants of Jews expelled during the Middle Ages in a paroxysm of anti-Semitism has Muslims demanding equal treatment:

Muslim groups are demanding Spanish citizenship for potentially millions of descendants of Muslims who were expelled from Spain during the Middle Ages.

The growing clamor for “historical justice” comes after the recent approval of a law that would grant Spanish citizenship to descendants of Sephardic Jews expelled from Spain in 1492.

Muslim supporters say they are entitled to the same rights and privileges as Jews because both groups were expelled from Spain under similar historical circumstances.

But historians point out that the Jewish presence in Spain predates the arrival of Christianity in the country and that their expulsion was a matter of bigotry. By contrast, the Muslims in Spain were colonial occupiers who called the territory Al-Andalus and imposed Arabic as the official language. Historians say their expulsion was a matter of decolonization. …

Much of the Iberian Peninsula was occupied by Muslim conquerors known as the Moors from 711 until 1492, when the Moorish Kingdom of Granada surrendered to the Catholic Monarchs of Spain (Isabella I of Castile and Ferdinand II of Aragon), in what is known as the Christian Reconquest.

But the final Muslim expulsion from Granada did not take place until over a century later, beginning in 1609, when King Philip III decreed the expulsion of the Moriscos.

John Hinderaker points out the absurdity of the demand, and its parallel in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict:

As Spanish officials have pointed out, this is a ridiculous claim. Jews whose ancestors had lived peacefully in Iberia for more than a millennium were kicked out as part of the European anti-Semitism of the time. The Moors, on the other hand, were hostile invaders who conquered by the sword, but ultimately were defeated. They abandoned Spain because they lost the war. Understandably, Spain has no interest in admitting millions of new North African immigrants:

[T]he descendants of Muslims expelled from Spain are believed to number in the millions—possibly tens of millions—and most of them now live in North Africa. Observers say that by granting citizenship to all of them, Spain, virtually overnight, would end up with the largest Muslim population in the European Union.

Many Europeans have been sympathetic to the Arabs’ claim of a “right of return” to Israel. Perhaps the Spanish controversy will cause some of them to re-think that issue.

Actually, the two rights of return are quite similar. In 1948, the Arab countries that surround Israel launched a coordinated attack, the purpose of which was to destroy the new Israeli state and murder its Jewish population. Many Arabs left Israel at the time of that invasion, most voluntarily, some, probably, involuntarily. They intended to come back in triumph, but to their surprise, the Arabs lost the war and they were no longer welcome. Much like the Muslims of Al-Andalus: that’s what happens when you start a war, and then lose it.

Regardless of the history, Israel clearly cannot survive as a Jewish state with a Palestinian right to return. If the Palestinians want their own state, they’re going to have to forgo that, and accept the fact of Israel as a Jewish state. Otherwise, there is clearly not much to discuss in terms of a permanent settlement.

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lol

Murphy9 on February 23, 2014 at 9:35 AM

Pigs will fly north for the winter first.

irongrampa on February 23, 2014 at 9:41 AM

Palestinian right to return to what? Thousands hundreds decades of years of culture and ties to the land? This outweighs any right of return of Jews who have 3000 years of ties to the same place?

Why can’t Jordan, Egypt and Syria take their refugees back instead of calling them “Palstinians”?

oldroy on February 23, 2014 at 9:43 AM

Will Abbas recognize Israel as a Jewish state?

Oh, so now, we are supposed to care if terrorists “recognize” Israel?

Pork-Chop on February 23, 2014 at 9:46 AM

There is a Palestinian state…

…its called Jordan.

1921 C DRUM on February 23, 2014 at 9:47 AM

Abbas can never recognize Israel as a State. To do so would mean the jig is up. It would mean admitting that the Jews have at least as much claim to “Palestine” as anyone else.

oldroy on February 23, 2014 at 9:47 AM

This isn’t hard to figure out, which is why it is completely beyond the grasp of John Kerry.

The Palestinians will accept the State of Israel under one of the two following conditions:

1) Israel is a glowing sheet of molten glass, or

2) The Palestinians are reduced to stardust.

There can be no reconciliation with the Jews for Islam.

Given the trends in the Middle East since the JEF took office and relinquished any moral standing the United States had in such things, we are likely to see one or the other in our lifetime, sadly.

turfmann on February 23, 2014 at 9:48 AM

Yes, as the nation it desires to erase from the map.

Lean Forward!

Bishop on February 23, 2014 at 9:54 AM

As Spanish officials have pointed out, this is a ridiculous claim. Jews whose ancestors had lived peacefully in Iberia for more than a millennium were kicked out as part of the European anti-Semitism of the time. The Moors, on the other hand, were hostile invaders who conquered by the sword, but ultimately were defeated. They abandoned Spain because they lost the war.

These are the same people who demand Muslim prayers in The Cathedral of Cordoba and insist it’s still a Mosque.

It was the site of a very old Catholic Church that was raised by the invading muslims and the construction was paid for in taxes levied on Christians and Jews.

Palestinians should go back to Jordan…only Jordan doesn’t want them.

workingclass artist on February 23, 2014 at 9:57 AM

I know it’s been a rough winter, but is it freezing in hell, as well?

Kraken on February 23, 2014 at 9:57 AM

There is a Palestinian state…
…its called Jordan.
1921 C DRUM on February 23, 2014 at 9:47 AM

This.

Anyone who thinks Israel has been hard on the Palestinians should look into how the Hashemites, Jordan’s minority, ruling family/tribe has treated them. As a hint, look into where the terrorist group Black September, of Munich Olympics notoriety, got their name. It didn’t have anything to do with Jews.

smellthecoffee on February 23, 2014 at 9:59 AM

Pigs will fly north for the winter first.

irongrampa on February 23, 2014 at 9:41 AM

Joe Biden headed back to Delaware yesterday.

Bishop on February 23, 2014 at 9:59 AM

Palestinian right to return to what? Thousands hundreds decades of years of culture and ties to the land? This outweighs any right of return of Jews who have 3000 years of ties to the same place?

Why can’t Jordan, Egypt and Syria take their refugees back instead of calling them “Palstinians”?

oldroy on February 23, 2014 at 9:43 AM

Because keeping the conflict going is useful…and keeping them there keeps them out of their own countries.

workingclass artist on February 23, 2014 at 10:00 AM

For one moment, let’s just give him the benefit of the doubt.

Suppose Abbas has a real, true, beautiful, miraculous change of heart, and goes for a good faith solution that sees the war ended and the Israelis left alive.

You know what happens then?

The Palestinians kill him and find a new guy.

TaraMaclay on February 23, 2014 at 10:01 AM

Off-topic question: Nothing on the capture of El Chapo yet on HotAir?

Stoic Patriot on February 23, 2014 at 10:04 AM

Abbas can never recognize Israel as a State. To do so would mean the jig is up. It would mean admitting that the Jews have at least as much claim to “Palestine” as anyone else.

oldroy on February 23, 2014 at 9:47 AM

An ancient claim which contradicts the fallacy of Palestine created by the Romans to undermine the Jewish nations of Judea and Israel.

That’s why the British cleverly resurrected the generic roman term Palestine

It’s an old tactic which the Romans perfected.

workingclass artist on February 23, 2014 at 10:09 AM

For one moment, let’s just give him the benefit of the doubt.

Suppose Abbas has a real, true, beautiful, miraculous change of heart, and goes for a good faith solution that sees the war ended and the Israelis left alive.

You know what happens then?

The Palestinians kill him and find a new guy.

TaraMaclay on February 23, 2014 at 10:01 AM

Decades of propaganda starting at the earliest stages would unravel. Palestinians are taught the Temple Mount is an old Roman Barracks.

workingclass artist on February 23, 2014 at 10:11 AM

[T]he descendants of Muslims expelled from Spain are believed to number in the millions—possibly tens of millions—and most of them now live in North Africa. Observers say that by granting citizenship to all of them, Spain, virtually overnight, would end up with the largest Muslim population in the European Union

…isn’t there some law firm…that could make that happen?

KOOLAID2 on February 23, 2014 at 10:20 AM

Will Abbas recognize Israel as a Jewish state?

Who cares? Arab words are worth less than nothing. Only a total idiot would think that this would have any meaning, whatsoever. Anyone who has bothered to observe arabs for all of 3 minutes knows this.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on February 23, 2014 at 10:21 AM

There is a Palestinian state…

…its called Jordan.

1921 C DRUM on February 23, 2014 at 9:47 AM

yup

dmacleo on February 23, 2014 at 10:24 AM

It gets complicated

“Noble Energy, a US-based oil and gas firm, along with its Israeli exploration partners, have confirmed the discovery of a huge offshore gas field called Leviathan, 130km off the coast of the Mediterranean port of Haifa….”

Maps at link

http://www.yalibnan.com/2010/12/30/israel-confirms-major-gas-find-report/

workingclass artist on February 23, 2014 at 10:37 AM

The Muslim world for the most part only wants the total annihilation of Israel. Their religious leaders even say so. The “two state solution” is a propaganda ploy. Not possible, everyone knows it, and it would violate the Muslim’s understanding of their very political religion anyway. Land once conquered for Allah must revert to Allah.

There have been at least three major wars by Muslim Arabs to wipe out Israel and the Arabs lost them badly. When a nation loses major wars they always lose stuff, like land. Maps change after wars. Yet the Arabs claim a “right of return” (of millions)to swamp and effectively destroy Israel because they know how incredibly gullible and sappy-hearted the Western infidel is.

Chessplayer on February 23, 2014 at 10:40 AM

The growing clamor for “historical justice” comes after the recent approval of a law that would grant Spanish citizenship to descendants of Sephardic Jews expelled from Spain in 1492.

Although I am not as involved as I used to be, I was pretty active in my Jewish community most of my life. That anyone would want anything from Spain NOW as a result of the expulsion is a new concept to me. Even personal friends of mine, whose families were kicked out of Iraq in 1948 and had to flee to Israel (which, thank God, was there to take them in), never speak about returning to their “birthplace.”

ncinca on February 23, 2014 at 10:45 AM

Drive the squatters in the West Bank across the River Jordan.

Drive the squatters in Gaza down into the Sinai.

Problem solved…

JohnGalt23 on February 23, 2014 at 10:52 AM

It gets complicated…

“Noble Energy, a US-based oil and gas firm, along with its Israeli exploration partners, have confirmed the discovery of a huge offshore gas field called Leviathan, 130km off the coast of the Mediterranean port of Haifa….”

workingclass artist on February 23, 2014 at 10:37 AM

Well, that blows the old Golda Meir quote: “Let me tell you something that we Israelis have against Moses. He took us 40 years through the desert in order to bring us to the one spot in the Middle East that has no oil!”

ncinca on February 23, 2014 at 10:53 AM

The Muslim world for the most part only wants the total annihilation of Israel.

Chessplayer on February 23, 2014 at 10:40 AM

Most of the Muslim world couldn’t find Israel on the map…

JohnGalt23 on February 23, 2014 at 10:54 AM

Most of the Muslim world couldn’t find Israel on the map…

JohnGalt23 on February 23, 2014 at 10:54 AM

LOL!

ncinca on February 23, 2014 at 10:56 AM

If we’re trying to right historical wrongs, tear down the Dome of the Rock and rebuild the Temple.

And reconsecrate Hagia Sophia as a Greek Orthodox cathedral.

rbj on February 23, 2014 at 10:56 AM

He won’t.

Next question.

BabyGrace on February 23, 2014 at 11:01 AM

Uhhhhhhh….. No

Brock Robamney on February 23, 2014 at 11:06 AM

If we’re trying to right historical wrongs, tear down the Dome of the Rock and rebuild the Temple.

And reconsecrate Hagia Sophia as a Greek Orthodox cathedral.

rbj on February 23, 2014 at 10:56 AM

Aaaand…Canterbury Cathedral?

; )

workingclass artist on February 23, 2014 at 11:16 AM

Well, it’s nice to get the celebration of the 66th Anniversary of the Middle East Question out of the way early this year. On to 2015!

Dusty on February 23, 2014 at 11:35 AM

I think it’s both sad and funny that American Über Zionists whine and complain about “eminent domain” yet when it comes to a people who populated Palestine, “Trans-Jordan”, whatever, for centuries now , the self-loathing Americans complain about the “right to return” by those who had their land literally stolen from them sans any compensation at all. All due to the collective guilt of the Western World, specifically FDR and Truman.
Get a grip, willya? Better yet, read some books about the Zionist terrorists, like, oh say, Menachem Begin, the original terrorist in that region. Just ask the hundreds of Brit families whose men were murdered by Begin and his merry band of Zionists.
Go ahead, call me “anti-semitic” (palestinians are semitic too), call me a bigot. REAL history, not the one written by those Democrats and the fools who believe them who feel guilty for not spending enough American blood and treasure to rescue the bastids.
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Karl Magnus on February 23, 2014 at 11:37 AM

So the Palestinians want the right of return and a Palestinian state?? Both?? Wouldn’t the Palestinian state be where the refugees go? Who would go where?
I think the truth is the real Palestinian state they want is called…Israel.

RonRon on February 23, 2014 at 11:38 AM

I think it’s both sad and funny that American Über Zionists whine and complain about “eminent domain” yet when it comes to a people who populated Palestine, “Trans-Jordan”, whatever, for centuries now , the self-loathing Americans complain about the “right to return” by those who had their land literally stolen from them sans any compensation at all. All due to the collective guilt of the Western World, specifically FDR and Truman.
Get a grip, willya? Better yet, read some books about the Zionist terrorists, like, oh say, Menachem Begin, the original terrorist in that region. Just ask the hundreds of Brit families whose men were murdered by Begin and his merry band of Zionists.
Go ahead, call me “anti-semitic” (palestinians are semitic too), call me a bigot. REAL history, not the one written by those Democrats and the fools who believe them who feel guilty for not spending enough American blood and treasure to rescue the bastids.
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Karl Magnus on February 23, 2014 at 11:37 AM

ehemmmm…….History did not begin in the 19th century.

workingclass artist on February 23, 2014 at 11:46 AM

Karl Magnus, quit playing that “Arabs are Semites” game. Everyone knows what it is to be anti-Semitic. And you, very clearly, are one. If you’re not pro-Israel, you’re part of the problem.

John Hitchcock on February 23, 2014 at 11:54 AM

“had their land literally stolen from them sans any compensation at all”

Bullsh*t. Prior to the founding of Israel, Zionists bought land in Israel legally from the landowners, who didn’t care about the people living there many of whom were recent immigrants (not from “time immemorial”). Israel accepted the partition of Palestine in 1948, Arabs did not and started a “war of annihilation” – *their* words – and lost. Same in 1967, Arabs ejected the UN force in the Sinai, blockaded Israel’s Red Sea access (an act of war) and publicly proclaimed they were going to “finish what Hitler started”. Same result. They rejected Israeli offers of land for peace in 1968 and again in 2000. After that last one they decided it was a great idea to pursue their cause by blowing up Israelis going out for pizza.

Almost forgot to mention that Arabs were ethnically cleansing indigenous Jews long before Israel was even formed, e. g. in the 1929 Hebron massacre that wiped out a Jewish population that had lived there since antiquity. That was led by the Mufti who later collaborated with Hitler during the Holocaust. *Overwhelmingly* the fault for the perpetuation of the conflict lies with the Arabs.

FOAF on February 23, 2014 at 11:58 AM

No, Abbas will not. He wants to kill all the Jews in Israel.

dogsoldier on February 23, 2014 at 11:59 AM

Karl Magnus on February 23, 2014 at 11:37 AM

Dude, there were no “palestinians” until dimwit Carter gave them that name. They were displaced arabs led by an Egyptian azzhole. A people that nobody wanted.

dogsoldier on February 23, 2014 at 12:01 PM

ehemmmm…….History did not begin in the 19th century.

workingclass artist on February 23, 2014 at 11:46 AM

*ahem* I was referring to the TWENTIETH Century. Your knowledge of history is sorely lacking.
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Karl Magnus on February 23, 2014 at 12:04 PM

Hey, Magnus, is your dunce cap and white sheet out to the cleaner or are you wearing them as we speak?

John Hitchcock on February 23, 2014 at 12:08 PM

ehemmmm…….History did not begin in the 19th century.

workingclass artist on February 23, 2014 at 11:46 AM

*ahem* I was referring to the TWENTIETH Century. Your knowledge of history is sorely lacking.
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Karl Magnus on February 23, 2014 at 12:04 PM

He was giving you credit for knowing history lasted a century longer than you have shown to know. Unfortunately, you doubled down on your demand to be ignorant of history.

John Hitchcock on February 23, 2014 at 12:14 PM

I guess Amvets–a genuinely GOOD organization, isn’t immune from antisemitics.

irongrampa on February 23, 2014 at 12:30 PM

Will Abbas recognize Israel as a Jewish state?

Does a bear wipe itself with Charmin toilet paper in the woods?

BL@KBIRD on February 23, 2014 at 12:31 PM

Not only won’t he, he can’t. His religion forbids that any lands ever held under Islam be accepted as non-Islamic. This is why radical Islamists such as Hamas etc still lay claim to Spain, just as an example. So, even if Abbass were inclined to make this concession he could not…not and live. It just would not be accepted throughout the Islamic world, at least where radical Islam holds sway. Look at what happened to Sadat.

I think that Kerry is delusional if he thinks that he can get such a concession. Even if the words fall from Abbass’ mouth, they would be almost his last, and they would bind no one…including Hamas which controls Gaza.

Blaise on February 23, 2014 at 12:36 PM

Go ahead, call me “anti-semitic”…call me a bigot.

Karl Magnus on February 23, 2014 at 11:37 AM

Okay. Bigot. Anti-semite. Oh, and historical revisionist.

xNavigator on February 23, 2014 at 12:39 PM

If Kerry gets this done, he’ll have my kudos.

On a side note, does anyone need any kudos? I don’t think I’m going to have a use for the ones I’ve got.

Grammar Nazi on February 23, 2014 at 12:42 PM

the “right to return” by those who had their land literally stolen from them sans any compensation at all.

Karl Magnus on February 23, 2014 at 11:37 AM

Let’s just take this little bit out of your ridiculous screed.

That area of the world was ceded to the British after WWI. It was their to do as they wished and they wished to create a Jewish state. You can’t have something stolen from you that wasn’t yours in the first place.

The Arabs said they were going to push Israel into the sea. The Arabs living in Israel fled their homes to clear the way for the coming invasion (i.e. rather than defend their country).

When the invasion was repulsed, they came back with their hats in the hands asking for their homes back. Israel said “Buzz off, traitors” and rightly so.

You can’t have something stolen from you that you abandoned.

Grammar Nazi on February 23, 2014 at 12:50 PM

an·ti-Sem·ite
[an-tee-sem-ahyt, an-tahy- or, esp. British, -see-mahyt] Show IPA

noun
a person who discriminates against or is prejudiced or hostile toward Jews.

From Dictionary.reference.com

Anyone with an ounce of integrity knows precisely what anti-Semite is. It’s those without any integrity that try to redefine words. We usually call those people foul names like “Democrat” or “Progressive” or “Leftist” or “Socialist”.

John Hitchcock on February 23, 2014 at 12:51 PM

Such an agreement would be suicide for Abbas. His organization is founded on the extinction of Israel. They don’t want “right of return”, they want to exterminate Jews. They can’t achieve that militarily but think that “the world” will help them in their evil intentions (some will, but most won’t).

This problem will never be solved as long as certain realities are not faced.

The two “palestinian” areas within Isreal cannot be an independent country now, regardless of historical claims. It makes no geographic sense. They could be counties in a national system, or, just accept Israeli hegemony in its entirety. It cannot be worse than what Palistinians are doing for their own.

If Palestinians could show that they knew how to operate the simplest civic structure, they might have a case for “secession”, but their chaotic stewardship is evidence of the collapse that would precipitate if they had independence from Israel. There would be a bigger war, Palestinians will take an accelerated trip to the stone-age and Israel would have to mop it up.

Israel does not need to talk to Palestinians at all. Palestinians have nothing on their side beyond racism, corruption, violence and a certain cachet appreciated only by various misguided western diplomats.

virgo on February 23, 2014 at 1:14 PM

Bold prediction: No

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 23, 2014 at 2:25 PM

BTW, it’s entirely possible that the anti-semitism of Spain was learned from the Muslims who overran that country during the Middle Ages. Certainly, Jews were living in Spain before the Moors conquered it.

Although there’s some evidence that the Christians in Spain blamed the Jews for collaborating with the Muslims at the expense of the Christians. In such a case, once the Muslims were thrown out of the country, the anti-semitism may well have been part of a backlash.

At any rate, it’s good to see that Spain very belatedly acknowledged the anti-semitism was wrong.

The Muslims’ claim to a right of return in both Spain and Israel amounts to demanding they be allowed to return to their homes after losing their war.

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 23, 2014 at 2:36 PM

ehemmmm…….History did not begin in the 19th century.
workingclass artist on February 23, 2014 at 11:46 AM

*ahem* I was referring to the TWENTIETH Century. Your knowledge of history is sorely lacking.
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Karl Magnus on February 23, 2014 at 12:04 PM

He was giving you credit for knowing history lasted a century longer than you have shown to know. Unfortunately, you doubled down on your demand to be ignorant of history.

John Hitchcock on February 23, 2014 at 12:14 PM

Perhaps Karl Mangus should take his own advice and crack a legitimate history book?

The Modern Transnational Zionism Movement was founded during the 19th century. It was founded in reaction to continuing displacement,legal restrictions and increased pogroms of large Jewish communities throughout Europe and Russia.

By the 19th century Jews settled in some of the wealthiest cities in Europe and making headway in legislative reform of the restrictive laws; as well as gaining economic and cultural influence (through academia and entry into the professional class) began to pool their money and ingenuity to work with Jews who had a continued presence in Israel throughout the diaspora.

Their aim to re-form their historic nation of Israel that was plundered and destroyed by the Romans in 70AD causing the Great Diaspora. They wanted to rebuild their ruined homeland agriculturally and through introducing industry and trade which was stagnant.

The inspiration for their cause…Americans and the American Revolution.

Karl Mangus there is no great Jewish Conspiracy.

There was always a diaspora caused by the Romans dating to 70AD but there has also always been Jews in their Native Israel and Judea…A people who survived with their religion intact who sought a means for the displaced Jews to return to their ancient homeland…and sought the support of those western nations influenced by the cause of Liberty & Reform from the Enlightenment to achieve their goal.

workingclass artist on February 23, 2014 at 2:50 PM

Well, since Great Britain decided to split the ME after WW1 against all logic, how do you expect it to all work out?

Nape-wa-ste on February 23, 2014 at 2:51 PM

The Palestinians have never existed, they are a modern concoction. That’s why in 1947 when the British mandate was ending and the UN proposed to the Arab world partition and a new state in ‘Palestine’ they refused. The armies of Jordan, Egypt, Syria, Iraq etc came to destroy the new Jewish state.. Not the Palestinian army. There was no Palestinian army or Palestinians. After that war the West Bank was held by Jordan, the Gaza strip by Egypt. Again there were no Palestinians, nor did these Arabs living under Jordan + Egypt request a separate state or identity, why should they?

These are Arabs that reject the State of Israel, who lived under the Ottomans,then British mandate, then Jordan + Egypt, later given the title Palestinians in order to promote war, undermine and eventually destroy Israel. Their culture is indistinguishable from Jordanians or Egypt, they have no unique culture, history, religion or language. No Architecture, no unique literature. They are a modern invention, a fabrication. No kidding they have not made peace, their entire existence was created to make war.

saus on February 23, 2014 at 4:33 PM

No. Next.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 23, 2014 at 7:21 PM

If we’re trying to right historical wrongs, tear down the Dome of the Rock and rebuild the Temple.

And reconsecrate Hagia Sophia as a Greek Orthodox cathedral.

rbj on February 23, 2014 at 10:56 AM

They rebuild the temple and either Obama or Hillary is going to march into it and demand to be worshiped.

Murphy9 on February 23, 2014 at 7:58 PM

Why can’t Jordan, Egypt and Syria take their refugees political pawns back instead of calling them “Palstinians”?

oldroy on February 23, 2014 at 9:43 AM

Truth in posting.

BigAlSouth on February 24, 2014 at 5:59 AM

Palestinian right to return to what? Thousands hundreds decades of years of culture and ties to the land? This outweighs any right of return of Jews who have 3000 years of ties to the same place?
Why can’t Jordan, Egypt and Syria take their refugees back instead of calling them “Palstinians”?
oldroy on February 23, 2014 at 9:43 AM

How about Mexico’s right to return? How about the Spaniards right to return? How about Native American’s right to return? How about the Philistines right to return? I can go on and on. But the history shows that Muslims, Christians, and Jews occupied the territory for thousands of years

Brock Robamney on February 24, 2014 at 7:14 AM

I think that Kerry is delusional if he thinks that he can get such a concession.
Blaise on February 23, 2014 at 12:36 PM

He thinks that like his boss, he can just say stuff and it will therefore exist. Has he not a phone and a pen? The trouble is, the Israelis are made of sterner stuff than the pantywaists in the GOP. The Israelis, for example, knew it was important to secure their border and they built the necessary fences and walls to do it. The GOP has been talking about this for decades and haven’t done squat about it. Most important, the Israelis have an attention span longer than a gnat so, [pointing] “Squirrel!” won’t work with them. Jon Carry will look funny yelling, “Squirrel! Squirrel!” over and over. “Squirrel! Squirrel! Beuller? Halp!”

smellthecoffee on February 24, 2014 at 7:49 AM

No sovereign nation can claim a religion for the entire nation. Yeah, I know some do, but it doesn’t make it so. Also claiming Jews as a race is patently absurd. And yet some claim both!
Regardless of what some would assume, this country isn’t a ‘christian’ nation, nor bhudist or any other. Freedom of religion means exactly freedom from religion, also, too.
So, no, I don’t support a theocracy. If I did, I’d move to the Vatican City.

Nape-wa-ste on February 24, 2014 at 2:09 PM

There is a Palestinian state…

…its called Jordan.

1921 C DRUM on February 23, 2014 at 9:47 A

THAT!!!

jimver on February 24, 2014 at 4:52 PM

Get a grip, willya? Better yet, read some books about the Zionist terrorists, like, oh say, Menachem Begin, the original terrorist in that region. Just ask the hundreds of Brit families whose men were murdered by Begin and his merry band of Zionists.
Go ahead, call me “anti-semitic” (palestinians are semitic too), call me a bigot. REAL history, not the one written by those Democrats and the fools who believe them who feel guilty for not spending enough American blood and treasure to rescue the bastids.
~(Ä)~

Karl Magnus on February 23, 2014 at 11:37 AM

You are a disgusting antisemite, no doubt about it. And yeah, cry me a river for poor little occupying British forces during the British Palestinian Mandate :). All I have to say is ‘good job, Menachem Begin’ !!! And btw, were you crying as many rivers when the revolutionary Ameficans killedyour lovely little occupying friends, the Brits over here, some hundreds years ago lol :)

jimver on February 24, 2014 at 5:07 PM