Quotes of the day

posted at 8:01 pm on February 23, 2014 by Allahpundit

“This is a major defeat,” said a senior Kremlin adviser, adding that the events of the last 24 hours bitterly remind Russian officials of the 2004 Orange Revolution, when Mr. Yanukovych saw his fraud-tainted election victory overturned after massive street protests brought a pro-western government to power.

“We made the same mistakes again” this time, said the Kremlin adviser, who spoke on condition of anonymity. “For us, the conclusion is that the West succeeded in engineering a coup d’état.”

Just what Russia’s reaction to this apparent setback would be wasn’t immediately clear. Western officials seemed to be going out of their way not to provoke Moscow. Some Kremlin aides in recent weeks had suggested Moscow could intervene to protect pro-Russian regions if Ukraine were to slide into civil war, but there is been no indication of high-level Kremlin support for such a move.

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Fraternal assistance — This is a Soviet expression, once used to justify the Soviet invasions of Prague in 1968 and Afghanistan in 1979. “Fraternal assistance” was intended to prevent Soviet puppet states from being overthrown, whether violently or peacefully. In December, Russian President Vladimir Putin called Ukraine a “fraternal” country, hinting that he sees it as a puppet state. This week, a senior Russian parliamentarian declared that he and his colleagues are “prepared to give all the necessary assistance should the fraternal Ukrainian people ask for it.” This may well be the cue for pro-Russian organizations inside Ukraine to ask for intervention.

Anti-terrorist operation — This is a Putin-era expression, used to justify the Russian invasion of Chechnya in 1999. An “anti-terrorist operation,” in this particular context, means that anything is permitted: The term granted Russian soldiers carte blanche to destroy Grozny, the Chechen capital. This is why so many reacted with horror earlier this week when the Ukrainian defense ministry warned that the army “might be used in anti-terrorist operations on the territory of Ukraine.”

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While many in Kiev are celebrating today, the situation in some other parts of the country still appear tense. For an example, look toward Crimea. The video below shows a small anti-government group being violently harassed after trying to honor those who died in the Maidan protests – they’re shouted down, called “fascists,” and eventually beaten before police step in. As the Guardian’s Shaun Walker, who tweeted the video, explains, it looks “extremely ominous.”…

Volodymyr Konstantinov, the speaker of Crimea’s parliament, recently told lawmakers that the region may well secede if Ukraine’s tensions begin to pull it apart. The parliament has also suggested that the region’s constitution be amended to list Russia as the “guarantor” of Crimea’s autonomy.

The situation is complicated by the fact that many Russians view Crimea as part of Russia: one recent poll found that 56 percent of Russians view Crimea as a Russian territory – a far larger percentage than the number who viewed Chechnya, inside Russian federation borders, as part of Russia (39 percent).

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Since the collapse of Communism in 1991, the US and its European allies have seen keeping Ukraine independent of Russia as a key result of victory in the Cold War…

Bill Clinton famously declared that keeping Crimea in Ukraine and away from Russia was in America’s national interest…

But what complicates matters and makes them so dangerous now is that the most militant pro-Western protesters are violently anti-Russian…

If political and economic chaos leads to civil war in the country lying between Nato and Russia, Yugoslavia’s break-up would seem like a vicarage tea party.

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The course of the protest has very much been influenced by the presence of a rival project, based in Moscow, called the Eurasian Union. This is an international commercial and political union that does not yet exist but that is to come into being in January 2015. The Eurasian Union, unlike the European Union, is not based on the principles of the equality and democracy of member states, the rule of law, or human rights.

On the contrary, it is a hierarchical organization, which by its nature seems unlikely to admit any members that are democracies with the rule of law and human rights. Any democracy within the Eurasian Union would pose a threat to Putin’s rule in Russia. Putin wants Ukraine in his Eurasian Union, which means that Ukraine must be authoritarian, which means that the Maidan must be crushed…

The protests in the Maidan, we are told again and again by Russian propaganda and by the Kremlin’s friends in Ukraine, mean the return of National Socialism to Europe. The Russian foreign minister, in Munich, lectured the Germans about their support of people who salute Hitler. The Russian media continually make the claim that the Ukrainians who protest are Nazis. Naturally, it is important to be attentive to the far right in Ukrainian politics and history. It is still a serious presence today, although less important than the far right in France, Austria, or the Netherlands. Yet it is the Ukrainian regime rather than its opponents that resorts to anti-Semitism, instructing its riot police that the opposition is led by Jews. In other words, the Ukrainian government is telling itself that its opponents are Jews and us that its opponents are Nazis.

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A real democracy in Ukraine is an existential threat to the entire system that Vladimir Putin has built since 2000. Ironically because Putin is right – most Russians regard Ukraine as a kin state, or not really a different state at all. They are used to stepping in tandem; so if something changes in Ukraine, why not in Russia too? And now the dominoes might fall in the other direction. Other Maidans might appear in other neighbouring states – maybe first in Moldova where the Russia-backed Communist Party was hoping to return to power in elections due in November…

So the new government in Ukraine, however it’s made up, will be given the briefest of ritualistic honeymoons before Russia uses every instrument at its disposal to try to make it fail. Unfortunately, Russia holds most of the economic cards. Ukraine’s coffers are almost empty, and the old guard is busy looting what is left. It has less than $18bn (£10.9bn) in hard currency reserves, its currency is dropping and immediate debt-repayment needs are more than $10bn…

And if the West is serious about an alternative deal, Ukraine needs a lot of money fast. Fortunately, the West would no longer be throwing it down the black hole created by the old regime. Instead the money would support the kind of kamikaze leader Ukraine has never had in the past. Politicians were reluctant to make difficult choices and lose elections, because they’d never get back into power. Now Russia and the old regime will back any populist who promises to keep government subsidies flowing; but an honest kamikaze might just win the long-term credit and at least write his place in the history books.

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To restate this dilemma in somewhat different terms, Ukrainian society is unable to produce a strong and united government that could limit the influence of foreign interests and lobbies that the Ukrainian state and people would follow a consistent course toward either Moscow or Brussels, much less find some kind of effective pathway in between. Meanwhile, given the inability of internal forces to set a firm course, Russia lacks the resources and the West lacks the will to attach Ukraine firmly and irrevocably to either camp. Thus we see what we see: a succession of failed governments as the country flounders and slithers in the mist…

Moscow cannot do the job without forcibly suppressing the western half of Ukraine. Such a war would be the most dangerous crisis in Europe since 1945 and one wonders whether the Putin government could survive a catastrophically expensive war and the ensuing isolation. Unless the intervention was lightening fast and the opposition was quickly suppressed, the cost of the war and the cost of pacifying and developing Ukraine in the aftermath would almost certainly wreck the Russian economy.

On the other hand, Putin would have grave difficulties surviving the loss of all Ukraine. The example of a popular revolution against a Moscow-leaning government is horrifying and destabilizing enough. Hatches are being battened down from Kaliningrad to Vladivostok as the FSB (ex-KGB) does its best to prevent any kind of contagion. The consequence of a united Ukraine joining the West would be infinitely worse. Putin’s dream of a Eurasian Union would suffer an irrevocable and decisive defeat. The loss of Crimea would infuriate Russian nationalists beyond endurance, and Putin would look helpless and weak in a political culture that worships only strength and success.

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So why did Russia back off? The swaggering bombast of recent days has vanished. It sent to the talks one of the few figures in Russian public life likely to be acceptable to the protesters and the West—the human-rights ombudsman Vladimir Lukin. He came as a witness, not as a participant to the deal reached on Friday; Russia says through diplomatic channels that though it is not a party to that agreement, it will not sabotage it. The Kremlin seems to have stood down its separatists in Crimea, a stronghold of Russian interests (and home to a large Russian naval base). Does it prize Ukrainian territorial integrity more than the chance to meddle?

One explanation is that Mr Putin, not for the first time, misread the situation. The Orange Revolution of 2004-5 was sparked by Mr Yanukovych’s election-rigging—enthusiastically supported and advised by Russia. Perhaps the Kremlin had been fooled by its own propaganda, in which the protesters were merely a unrepresentative bunch of Western-financed anarchists and fascists. Perhaps it was worried by the prospect of chaos in its largest European neighbour. In the event of collapse or upheaval, refugees would be heading north as well as west…

But what will Russia do now? Most likely it will sit on the sidelines for a while. It can leave the West to try to manage the deal it has brokered. It will take years before Ukraine’s economy and public administration are strong enough to withstand Kremlin mischief. That gives plenty of time.

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The geopolitical issue here is not whether Ukraine joins Europe or Russia. It is whether Ukraine becomes increasingly integrated into the political and economic community of Europe, as well as having a very close relationship with Russia. It is also whether the EU will stand up for basic European values on its own front doorstep, as it failed to do in Bosnia 20 years ago.

It is now clear that the EU miscalculated by delivering an us-or-them ultimatum last autumn, without offering Ukraine desperately needed ready cash or the clear and certain prospect of EU membership. As the Ukraine expert Andrew Wilson notes, the EU took a baguette to a knife fight. In recent weeks, it has done better. The deal signed Friday was a real success for the personal diplomacy of the German, Polish and French foreign ministers, and the argreement to release Yulia Tymoshenko was another positive sign. But does a Europe weakened by the Eurozone crisis have the strategic imagination and resolve for the long term?

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Despite the blunders of the European Union — which courted Kiev without seeming to realize that Russia might make a counteroffer — Putin is struggling to win a battle for influence in a country that both the Romanovs and the Soviets dominated with ease.

And the struggle is particularly telling given that the Great Recession exposed the E.U. as a spectacularly misgoverned institution, whose follies consigned many of its member states to economic disarray. Yet even that record hasn’t persuaded the majority of Ukrainians to warm to Moscow’s embrace instead. It takes much more than mere misgovernment to make the European project less attractive than Putin’s authoritarian alternative…

The lesson in both [Ukraine and Venezuela] is not that late-modern liberal civilization necessarily deserves uncontested dominance.

But 25 years after the Cold War, from Kiev to Caracas, there is still no plausible alternative.

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RATSO!

OmahaConservative on February 23, 2014 at 8:06 PM

SASHA!

annoyinglittletwerp on February 23, 2014 at 8:07 PM

KITTEN!

OmahaConservative on February 23, 2014 at 8:09 PM

It is posts such as this one that I wish coldwarrior were here to weigh in.

Has Condi Rice offered any thought? Her expertise was the former Soviet Union.

onlineanalyst on February 23, 2014 at 8:11 PM

Al Yankovic ✔ @alyankovic
Follow

Thank you all for your letters of condolence, but no, I was not just ousted as President of Ukraine. Some other guy.
11:49 AM – 22 Feb 2014

davidk on February 23, 2014 at 8:12 PM

BAT! RAVEN!

ladyingray on February 23, 2014 at 8:12 PM

Calling all Rude Buffoons!!

(For Hawk & Doc—Hagfish called us that for going off-topic and posting music vids)

OmahaConservative on February 23, 2014 at 8:12 PM

“For us, the conclusion is that the West succeeded in engineering a coup d’état.”

Obama to take personal credit in 5 .. 4 .. 3 …

ShainS on February 23, 2014 at 8:13 PM

onlineanalyst on February 23, 2014 at 8:11 PM

Yeah, I would love to see his thoughts on this…

OmahaConservative on February 23, 2014 at 8:13 PM

APPLEHEADS!

Lanceman on February 23, 2014 at 8:13 PM

davidk on February 23, 2014 at 8:12 PM

Heh…

OmahaConservative on February 23, 2014 at 8:14 PM

Serious times.

Ukraine. Venezuela. And other plces that the MSM has kept from us.

Godspeed, freedom fighters.

davidk on February 23, 2014 at 8:14 PM

The Disqus Danger
Comrades, sorry to wander all Prog Off on you all, but I wanted to publish a warning about a serious issue in the blogosphere that could be a danger in two ways.
Disqus is a commenting system being propagated throughout the blogosphere, and while it’s not used here I wished to point out some its main problems just in case its use may be under consideration.
The system’s main advantage (and danger) is that it’s being spread across the web to most websites – providing it with virtual corner on the market in discussions on the web. One login lets you comment almost everywhere, but this ubiquitousness comes at a price.
These are just some of its “issues”:
1). Stalker ‘followers’
Disqus lets you follow friends and like-minded people, and they can follow you. But this function has a ‘dark side’ in that Trolls can also follow and harass you everywhere you go. Other systems like twitter have addressed this problem and let you block said trolls, but Disqus has so far refused to do so.
This function lets trolls stalk and harass you since this function gives them access to everything you do.

Example: there is a particularly egregious troll that stalks 100 – 200 – 300 people at time and simply trolls them at every turn. The only recourse to those being stalked it to try and create a new ID until such time the troll adds that new id to its stalking list.
And while numerous people have requested that they be allowed to block stalkers, disqus has yet to do so.

On top of which, they implemented a band-aide solution that doesn’t really solve the problem.

Aside from the annoyance factor, the larger issue would be the security vulnerability issue – if someone can hack into their system and do that, what else can they do in regard to identity theft?
2). Dashboard issues
A dashboard lets you see all of your conversations at once – if it works, which is doesn’t. so if you tend to wander around, you will miss responses to you posts.

On many a leftist site, many responses don’t get passed back to the dashboard of some unexplained reason and thus it can look like you have no response to a comment from a socialist, when in fact it was there.

3). Username Changing
Unlike many other sites, Disqus allows one to change your username at any time. In the case of many of the trolls, they will harass until people get wind of their actions and ignore them, at which point they will change their name to something else. it’s very difficult to avoid ‘feeding the trolls’ when they do this.

4). Impersonations
Disqus lets people blatantly impersonate other users – they have some boilerplate against it, but beyond this they turn a blind eye to this kind of abuse.
Certain trolls have a habit of impersonating those with whom they disagree and post spurious comments and abuse to discredit their opponents.
5). Disqus refuses to address these glaring issues.
One could allow that they perhaps needed time to do something about these problems, but after a long while it should be evident that they either don’t care, or they want these problems to be present.

In fact, you will find it hard to discuss these issue on the Disqus system since it automatically delets posts that mention its issues.
So why do I bring all of these problems to light?
Simply because Disqus seems to be taking over most of the blogosphere, and if they have these kind of issues now, what will happen when they have a corner on the market?

There are competing comment systems out there, but Disqus seems to be winning everyone over. Therefore it’s imperative that people know its problems before it too late.
http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/the-disqus-danger-t12640.html

Comrade Sterpin on February 23, 2014 at 8:14 PM

SASHA!

annoyinglittletwerp on February 23, 2014 at 8:07 PM

Sorry for going off the reservation so soon, but I was giving some thought to you Aspie O C and wondered if you had ever considered taking the test to work for the postal service? Attention to detail is critical in sorting zip codes and addresses. The pay and benefits are excellent for those in more rural areas.

onlineanalyst on February 23, 2014 at 8:16 PM

We will never have Disqus here, comrade.

We tried FB comments in the headlines. Long gone.

Lanceman on February 23, 2014 at 8:16 PM

We will never have Disqus here, comrade.

We tried FB comments in the headlines. Long gone.

Lanceman on February 23, 2014 at 8:16 PM

I had forgotten all about that little disaster of an idea…

OmahaConservative on February 23, 2014 at 8:19 PM

“We made the same mistakes again” this time, said the Kremlin adviser, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

What is it called when you do the same thing and expect different results?

Never fear. Soros’ sockpuppet obama will get it right this time.

(I typed soros so, “Hi, NSA.”)

davidk on February 23, 2014 at 8:19 PM

Jimmy Johnson is unstoppable.

wolly4321 on February 23, 2014 at 8:20 PM

Well then, let the buffoonery begin…
for the fish…
You talk too much

Doc Holliday on February 23, 2014 at 8:21 PM

Doc Holliday on February 23, 2014 at 8:21 PM

Great tune, Doc…

OmahaConservative on February 23, 2014 at 8:23 PM

wolly4321 on February 23, 2014 at 8:20 PM

Except when he butted heads with Jerry Jones.

cozmo on February 23, 2014 at 8:23 PM

Fraternal assistance — This is a Soviet expression, once used to justify the Soviet invasions of Prague in 1968 and Afghanistan in 1979. “Fraternal assistance” was intended to prevent Soviet puppet states from being overthrown, whether violently or peacefully. In December, Russian President Vladimir Putin called Ukraine a “fraternal” country, hinting that he sees it as a puppet state.

I remember when Russian tanks rolled into Poland. People in the USoA were fearful that Russia would try to invade America.

It didn’t happen, and everybody went about there business.

I just wished Reagan was President now. Or Palin.

davidk on February 23, 2014 at 8:24 PM

Pharaoh the Dog-eater certainly doesn’t want this happening in Ukraine….

….the Serfs might oppose his coronation (with Benedict Roberts kissing his “throne”) before 2016 here.

viking01 on February 23, 2014 at 8:24 PM

We had the hagfish and that insufferable Bradky here this morning.

Lanceman on February 23, 2014 at 8:26 PM

Lanceman on February 23, 2014 at 8:26 PM

Does Bradky have a sock?

OmahaConservative on February 23, 2014 at 8:26 PM

Volodymyr Konstantinov, the speaker of Crimea’s parliament, recently told lawmakers that the region may well secede if Ukraine’s tensions begin to pull it apart. The parliament has also suggested that the region’s constitution be amended to list Russia as the “guarantor” of Crimea’s autonomy.

The situation is complicated by the fact that many Russians view Crimea as part of Russia: one recent poll found that 56 percent of Russians view Crimea as a Russian territory – a far larger percentage than the number who viewed Chechnya, inside Russian federation borders, as part of Russia (39 percent).

What do the people want? Can we get an uncensored answer?

davidk on February 23, 2014 at 8:26 PM

Lanceman on February 23, 2014 at 8:26 PM

Talk about insufferable, what about lourdes?

Has she been around lately?

cozmo on February 23, 2014 at 8:27 PM

cozmo on February 23, 2014 at 8:27 PM

Haven’t seen her, must be adjusting her meds…

OmahaConservative on February 23, 2014 at 8:28 PM

It is posts such as this one that I wish coldwarrior were here to weigh in.

Has Condi Rice offered any thought? Her expertise was the former Soviet Union.

onlineanalyst on February 23, 2014 at 8:11 PM

Yep, it would be nice to here from coldwarrior and Condi’s opinion.
By the way,
Honestlib
Hawkdriver
dmacleo
dogsoldier
thanks for the input on today’s open thread.

Learn something new everyday here.

31giddyup on February 23, 2014 at 8:28 PM

Talk about insufferable, what about lourdes?

Has she been around lately?

cozmo on February 23, 2014 at 8:27 PM

Yeah, in the daytime threads usually. But the good thing about her and Bradky is they don’t hang around every day. Nor do they go gulch where they ain’t wanted.

Lanceman on February 23, 2014 at 8:28 PM

onlineanalyst on February 23, 2014 at 8:16 PM

I can’t drive.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 23, 2014 at 8:29 PM

Volodymyr Konstantinov, the speaker of Crimea’s parliament, recently told lawmakers that the region may well secede if Ukraine’s tensions begin to pull it apart. The parliament has also suggested that the region’s constitution be amended to list Russia as the “guarantor” of Crimea’s autonomy.

The situation is complicated by the fact that many Russians view Crimea as part of Russia: one recent poll found that 56 percent of Russians view Crimea as a Russian territory – a far larger percentage than the number who viewed Chechnya, inside Russian federation borders, as part of Russia (39 percent).

davidk on February 23, 2014 at 8:29 PM

I can’t drive.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 23, 2014 at 8:29 PM

Why not?

OmahaConservative on February 23, 2014 at 8:30 PM

Lanceman on February 23, 2014 at 8:28 PM

Heck, with my short attention span I forget about it.

Except I want to spank whatever noob that was who linked it.

Does hagfish still stink up the Gulch?

cozmo on February 23, 2014 at 8:31 PM

Except I want to spank whatever noob that was who linked it.

Does hagfish still stink up the Gulch?

cozmo on February 23, 2014 at 8:31 PM

KOOLAID or B.More would be able to answer that. I’ve never commented there. Except when it was on the daily feed. Page 6 or something.

Lanceman on February 23, 2014 at 8:33 PM

onlineanalyst on February 23, 2014 at 8:16 PM

I can’t drive.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 23, 2014 at 8:29 PM

Aren’t there positions where driving is not required?

onlineanalyst on February 23, 2014 at 8:34 PM

Does hagfish still stink up the Gulch?

cozmo on February 23, 2014 at 8:31 PM

She was there a few days ago crappin’ all over the place…

OmahaConservative on February 23, 2014 at 8:34 PM

cozmo <3 lourdes

Murphy9 on February 23, 2014 at 8:34 PM

OmahaConservative on February 23, 2014 at 8:30 PM

I have poor coordination on my right side.
Vehicles are VERY right-handed.
*No court-order involved-I just decided it was safer for me and others that way.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 23, 2014 at 8:34 PM

I can’t drive.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 23, 2014 at 8:29 PM

Why not?

OmahaConservative on February 23, 2014 at 8:30 PM

Her Lamborghini idles at 135 MPH in third gear.

viking01 on February 23, 2014 at 8:35 PM

Aren’t there positions where driving is not required?

onlineanalyst on February 23, 2014 at 8:34 PM

Man, you’ve got a dirty mind…..

(ducks and runs)

viking01 on February 23, 2014 at 8:35 PM

OT: Is this true, Piers?

LOLOL I sure hope so!!!

ladyingray on February 23, 2014 at 8:35 PM

onlineanalyst on February 23, 2014 at 8:34 PM

im sire there are.
Anyway-I’m back in stationery, so I continue to be employed by Wally…for now anyway.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 23, 2014 at 8:36 PM

You DUMDUM!

Lanceman on February 23, 2014 at 8:38 PM

Aren’t there positions where driving is not required?

onlineanalyst on February 23, 2014 at 8:34 PM

Man, you’ve got a dirty mind…..

(ducks and runs)

viking01 on February 23, 2014 at 8:35 PM

Only in a Karma(n) (Ghia) Sutra…

Twerp: What about working in a library, where precision in cataloguing is critical?

onlineanalyst on February 23, 2014 at 8:38 PM

OmahaConservative on February 23, 2014 at 8:12 PM

“Rude Buffoon”…shows up here..as BluegrassRN (scroll down 1/3 maybe)
causing trouble on a nursing blog…
hmm..??

http://allnurses.com/nursing-and-spirituality/religion-culture-nursing-517282-page3.html

“… …does not contribute positively in any way, shape, and form to a discussion. I don’t think environment matters; if it’s rude in a face-to-face discussion, it’s rude on the internet. If the intent of the forum is simply to be rude buffoons who try to one-up each other in witty and unhelpful comments… …”

anything in that ring a bell??…from 11/22 2010

going2mars on February 23, 2014 at 8:40 PM

ohh and goodevening all…hope your all well..

to go completely off topic

the re-start of the Daytona 500
is about to begin…on FOX…live

going2mars on February 23, 2014 at 8:41 PM

Murphy9 on February 23, 2014 at 8:34 PM

smootchie smootchie.

If only I could find the clip of Jack Soo going mooshie mooshie mooshie from that episode of Barney Miller.

cozmo on February 23, 2014 at 8:42 PM

going2mars on February 23, 2014 at 8:40 PM

Yep. It sure sounds like our very own Hagfish, doesn’t it? Didn’t know she was a nurse…

OmahaConservative on February 23, 2014 at 8:43 PM

Yep. It sure sounds like our very own Hagfish, doesn’t it? Didn’t know she was a nurse…

OmahaConservative on February 23, 2014 at 8:43 PM

Too bad Jack Nicholson didn’t choke the living sh!t out of it…

Lanceman on February 23, 2014 at 8:45 PM

Does Bradky have a sock?

OmahaConservative on February 23, 2014 at 8:26 PM

…I think it uses it…as a condom…for its hand!

KOOLAID2 on February 23, 2014 at 8:45 PM

and yes the race will be re-rained out in about an hour…
more rain is coming ..
so its go go go time in Daytona…
this will be a rain shortened race…get to the front now..!!

going2mars on February 23, 2014 at 8:46 PM

OT: Is this true, Piers?

LOLOL I sure hope so!!!

ladyingray on February 23, 2014 at 8:35 PM

Let’s put this in context. A local talk radio host here in DC has more listeners than Piers has viewers. True or not, this is going to be the outcome soon.

Happy Nomad on February 23, 2014 at 8:47 PM

onlineanalyst on February 23, 2014 at 8:38 PM

Only decent Karman Ghia ever

cozmo on February 23, 2014 at 8:47 PM

Does Bradky have a sock?

OmahaConservative on February 23, 2014 at 8:26 PM

…I think it uses it…as a condom…for its hand!

KOOLAID2 on February 23, 2014 at 8:45 PM

I can’t imagine why he’d need one. He’s been here from practically day 1. And I think he was at Captain’s Quarters.

Lanceman on February 23, 2014 at 8:47 PM

It makes the day to see all those statues of the vile fanatic Vladimir Lenin pulled down. Let’s hope we see a repeat of that in Moscow one of these days, there are still too many images of him around!

Oh, and long live a free, democratic Ukraine!

Dr.B on February 23, 2014 at 8:48 PM

this will be a rain shortened race…get to the front now..!!

going2mars on February 23, 2014 at 8:46 PM

I don’t get it. It ain’t rained here all day. Not one drap. Pretended it wanted to, but nothing.

Lanceman on February 23, 2014 at 8:48 PM

cozmo on February 23, 2014 at 8:42 PM

I could never work with someone who made such dreadful coffee.:)

Murphy9 on February 23, 2014 at 8:49 PM

he re-start of the Daytona 500 is about to begin…on FOX…live going2mars on February 23, 2014 at 8:41 PM

Huh?

It ended hours ago. Jimmy won. Did a bunch of burnouts.

wolly4321 on February 23, 2014 at 8:49 PM

I’ve never commented there. Except when it was on the daily feed. Page 6 or something.

Lanceman on February 23, 2014 at 8:33 PM

…well now that you said that… ‘it’s’ sure to come again!…in more ways than one!
…and Lanceman… you can say Hi!…we just hang out…we have good beer!

KOOLAID2 on February 23, 2014 at 8:50 PM

It ended hours ago. Jimmy won. Did a bunch of burnouts.

wolly4321 on February 23, 2014 at 8:49 PM

No, you were watching a recap of the top 10 finishes in NASTYCAR.

Lanceman on February 23, 2014 at 8:50 PM

Didn’t they also have tornado warnings in Daytona?

ladyingray on February 23, 2014 at 8:50 PM

…well now that you said that… ‘it’s’ sure to come again!…in more ways than one!
…and Lanceman… you can say Hi!…we just hang out…we have good beer!

KOOLAID2 on February 23, 2014 at 8:50 PM

I read it. I lurk.

Lanceman on February 23, 2014 at 8:51 PM

Lanceman on February 23, 2014 at 8:48 PM

you must be well south of the speed way..
they got hammered for hours..
its headed your way too..

http://www.intellicast.com/Local/WxMap.aspx?location=USFL0106

going2mars on February 23, 2014 at 8:53 PM

going2mars on February 23, 2014 at 8:53 PM

The bad cell passed a tad north of me. Tornadic crap in Geneva towards Mims.

Lanceman on February 23, 2014 at 8:53 PM

wolly4321 on February 23, 2014 at 8:49 PM

that was the 2013 race…
they play old races during rain delays…

todays race…just went green flag..!!

going2mars on February 23, 2014 at 8:54 PM

I’m about 32 miles southeast of the speedway as the hagfish flies.

Lanceman on February 23, 2014 at 8:55 PM

Southwest, not southeast.

Lanceman on February 23, 2014 at 8:57 PM

Deland…Deltona…got it,,,
and yes its gonna rain for you soon,,,

going2mars on February 23, 2014 at 8:59 PM

OK. Time for Walking Dead. Cannot afford t have HillAbeans coming in here and distracting me this week.

Lanceman on February 23, 2014 at 9:00 PM

o, you were watching a recap of the top 10 finishes in NASTYCAR. Lanceman on February 23, 2014 at 8:50 PM

Holy crap! that was wierd. I dozed off and woke up uo what I thought was the end.

wolly4321 on February 23, 2014 at 9:00 PM

if your a NHRA fan…the finals from Phoenix
just started on ESPN2…

going2mars on February 23, 2014 at 9:02 PM

wolly4321 on February 23, 2014 at 9:00 PM

cool…now you can see it end a different way
all in the same day,,, a 2fer

going2mars on February 23, 2014 at 9:03 PM

“This is a major defeat,” said a senior Kremlin adviser, adding that the events of the last 24 hours bitterly remind Russian officials of the 2004 Orange Revolution, when Mr. Yanukovych saw his fraud-tainted election victory overturned after massive street protests brought a pro-western government to power.

This should be a clue to OBAMA. The same thing could happen here if he keeps executive ordering his way around our constitution.

TX-96 on February 23, 2014 at 9:09 PM

Holy crap! that was wierd. I dozed off and woke up uo what I thought was the end.

wolly4321 on February 23, 2014 at 9:00 PM

lol

kcewa on February 23, 2014 at 9:10 PM

http://www.ijreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Reagan-Photobomb.jpg

davidk on February 23, 2014 at 8:58 PM

FYI — Error 1011, Access Denied (The owner of this website (www.ijreview.com) does not allow hotlinking to that resource).

[I've never seen that before ...]

ShainS on February 23, 2014 at 9:11 PM

happy 70th Birthday Johnny Winter

Johnny Winter Johnny B. Goode 1984

kcewa on February 23, 2014 at 9:13 PM

[I've never seen that before ...]

ShainS on February 23, 2014 at 9:11 PM

I hadn’t either but was just too lazy to comment about it…

OmahaConservative on February 23, 2014 at 9:13 PM

davidk on February 23, 2014 at 9:01 PM
God bless Texas.
Great stats, there, too, thanks.

pambi on February 23, 2014 at 9:13 PM

OK. Time for Walking Dead. Cannot afford t have HillAbeans coming in here and distracting me this week.

Lanceman on February 23, 2014 at 9:00 PM

Commercial time!!!!

ladyingray on February 23, 2014 at 9:16 PM

Calling all Rude Buffoons!!

(For Hawk & Doc—Hagfish called us that for going off-topic and posting music vids)

OmahaConservative on February 23, 2014 at 8:12 PM

That’d make a fine band name.

Midas on February 23, 2014 at 9:16 PM

I hadn’t either but was just too lazy to comment about it…

OmahaConservative on February 23, 2014 at 9:13 PM

Heh.

I’ve got too much time on my hands … ;-)

ShainS on February 23, 2014 at 9:17 PM

That’d make a fine band name.

Midas on February 23, 2014 at 9:16 PM

Yes, it would…

OmahaConservative on February 23, 2014 at 9:19 PM

espreo TV live….
much quieter than last night

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_LFrMcoEm4#t=1829389

going2mars on February 23, 2014 at 9:21 PM

OmahaConservative on February 23, 2014 at 9:19 PM

♫Slip sliding away, slip sliding away♫

viking01 on February 23, 2014 at 9:24 PM

♫Slip sliding away, slip sliding away♫

viking01 on February 23, 2014 at 9:24 PM

LOLZ! Spit beer at my laptop…

OmahaConservative on February 23, 2014 at 9:26 PM

Calling all Rude Buffoons!!

(For Hawk & Doc—Hagfish called us that for going off-topic and posting music vids)

OmahaConservative on February 23, 2014 at 8:12 PM
That’d make a fine band name.

Midas on February 23, 2014 at 9:16 PM

Doesn’t QOTD sorta specialize in Buffoons and Buffoonery?

kcewa on February 23, 2014 at 9:27 PM

Doesn’t QOTD sorta specialize in Buffoons and Buffoonery?

kcewa on February 23, 2014 at 9:27 PM

Yeah, we bring it to an art form here…

OmahaConservative on February 23, 2014 at 9:29 PM

OmahaConservative on February 23, 2014 at 9:29 PM

I know art when I see it, this is that other thing.

cozmo on February 23, 2014 at 9:31 PM

Putin is struggling to win a battle for influence in a country that both the Romanovs and the Soviets dominated with ease.

If you call killing millions easy

kcewa on February 23, 2014 at 9:31 PM

i know this is kinda old news….and i know that barry has always put himself before others (ask the 4 dead in Benghazi)

On August 6, 2011, a U.S. Boeing CH-47D Chinook military helicopter, carrying special operations officers sent to reinforce Army Rangers under fire, was shot down in the Wardak Province, Afghanistan, killing 30 of our soldiers – 22 of whom were part of Navy SEAL Team VI; the team who took down Osama Bin Laden.

Only months before, Vice-President Joe Biden betrayed Navy SEAL Team VI after publically crediting them to the killing of Osama Bin Laden. This put members of the special ops community, and their families, in grave danger.

The shoot down of Extortion 17 resulted in the greatest loss of U.S. military lives in a single incident in the twelve-year war in Afghanistan that began in 2001, and the greatest single loss in the history of the Navy SEALs.

yeah, yeah, GM is alive and bin Laden is Dead. yeah right barry. And i know this wasn’t the first time, always about him. And sometime downright odd…like the massive take down of the CIA station in AFG where barry publicly mourned the loss…but wait, i thought there was a code in the CIA that agents’ deaths were Not spoken of…? oh well, I must be misremembering that part

you got to admit that barry got a s***-ton of free media on that…History channel still plays the docu-dramas about the bin laden raid…a Gold Mine

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/02/congressional-hearing-scheduled-for-30-fallen-heroes-killed-in-shoot-down-of-extortion-17/

r keller on February 23, 2014 at 9:32 PM

GOATS!
I kid.

HillC Liver Spot on February 23, 2014 at 9:33 PM

Johnny WINTER Susie Q

kcewa on February 23, 2014 at 9:35 PM

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