Open thread: U.S. vs. Canada in Olympic hockey semifinal

posted at 11:21 am on February 21, 2014 by Allahpundit

Noon ET on NBC Sports, or you can watch the livestream online by logging in via your cable-provider username and password. For hockey fans, it’s a rematch of the scintillating 2010 gold-medal game between two evergreen powerhouses. For the other 97 percent of us, it’s a magical brew of nationalism and revenge for not one but two overtime heartbreaks. According to Gallup, 93 percent of Americans rate Canada favorably; if they beat the U.S. again, that number could sink to the high 80s. Stakes are high.

The winner gets Sweden, which survived the Scandinavian version of U.S./Canada in the other semifinal, for the gold on Sunday. The U.S. has made it to the finals twice in the past 30 years but hasn’t won it all since Miracle on Ice. While we wait, enjoy this dissection of possible shenanigans in the judging for last night’s women’s figure skating finals. Experts seem shocked that a Russian skater, on Russian ice, somehow outpointed Yuna Kim and Carolina Kostner, the favorites. Could there be … corruption at Sochi?

Update: Here’s the livestream.


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Good luck US. Whatever you do, do it with honor.

hawkdriver on February 21, 2014 at 11:23 AM

TWO TEAMS ENTER! ONE TEAM LEAVES!

ABreitbart on February 21, 2014 at 11:23 AM

Avenge the women!

thebrokenrattle on February 21, 2014 at 11:24 AM

According to Gallup, 93 percent of Americans rate Canada favorably; if they beat the U.S. again, that number could sink to the high 80s. Stakes are high.

Okay, but how many Americans know Dave Rywall?

hawkdriver on February 21, 2014 at 11:24 AM

Today is Ignore Canada Day

matd on February 21, 2014 at 11:24 AM

I’m refuse to care until Atlanta gets a new hockey team–and one that doesn’t totally suck.

EricW on February 21, 2014 at 11:25 AM

Said Russian figure skater fell down a couple times. The US Skater never fell. The So. Korea Skater had a minor mis-step, but hey what does a guy like me know about judging figure skating?

One would think not falling down would be y’know, kinda important, but I suppose if one does it with finesse….

dogsoldier on February 21, 2014 at 11:26 AM

Avenge the women!

thebrokenrattle on February 21, 2014 at 11:24 AM

Beat the judges?

dogsoldier on February 21, 2014 at 11:27 AM

@ EricW

y’all had two chances. it’s seattle’s turn next!

ABreitbart on February 21, 2014 at 11:28 AM

USA USA USA

cmsinaz on February 21, 2014 at 11:28 AM

We still love you Canopfor :)

cmsinaz on February 21, 2014 at 11:31 AM

dogsoldier on February 21, 2014 at 11:26 AM

I sure don’t recall the Russian falling at all.
Wish I’d recorded it, but surely on youtube by now.

How many here remember past judging ‘during the cold war’ (as DH called it) ?
This is simply weak sauce, in comparison.

pambi on February 21, 2014 at 11:32 AM

Brush up on Canadian history:

http://i.imgur.com/sjIpW7A.jpg

Canadians are still ticked about the US nabbing Gretzky :)

JetBoy on February 21, 2014 at 11:34 AM

If we had conditioned getting Keystone approved based on who wins this game, I could root for Canada today.

Alas, such is not to be.

Therefore, GO USA!! Rip the Canucks apart!!!!

Bitter Clinger on February 21, 2014 at 11:35 AM

Loser keeps Bieber.

Flange on February 21, 2014 at 11:35 AM

Where’s Canada (i.e. canopfor)?

22044 on February 21, 2014 at 11:36 AM

Hey, the Russians are really good at fixing elections, as we all know. The Ukranians could tell you that, if further proof is needed.

MTF on February 21, 2014 at 11:37 AM

hawkdriver on February 21, 2014 at 11:24 AM

LOLOLOL

pambi on February 21, 2014 at 11:38 AM

Lower keeps Bieber and winner gets Malin Ackerman.

MTF on February 21, 2014 at 11:39 AM

Loser gets Bieber and the winner gets Malin Ackerman. Those are fair stakes.

MTF on February 21, 2014 at 11:40 AM

Avenge the women!

thebrokenrattle on February 21, 2014 at 11:24 AM

Kirk: Khaaaannnn!Caaannnn!

Kirk: Canadian bastard! You killed my Gold medal!

Kirk: I’ve never trusted Canadians, and I never will. I could never forgive them for killing our Gold medal.

WisRich on February 21, 2014 at 11:40 AM

I think the better bet between Harper and Obama (aside from KeystoneXL decision) would be that loser has to wear Don Cherry’s wardrobe for a week.

CitizenEgg on February 21, 2014 at 11:41 AM

loser keeps Bieber and winner gets Malin Ackerman.

MTF on February 21, 2014 at 11:39 AM

Dang, beat me to it:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/olympics-fourth-place-medal/team-usa-vs–canada-hockey-game-inspires–loser-keeps-bieber–billboard—photo-190901911.html

rbj on February 21, 2014 at 11:42 AM

Loser keeps Bieber.
Flange on February 21, 2014 at 11:35 AM

I’ll up you 1. Loser keeps Bieber and Ft Lauderdale snowbirds. Them snowbirds don’t tip and can’t drive.

Brock Robamney on February 21, 2014 at 11:43 AM

Loser keeps Bieber.

Flange on February 21, 2014 at 11:35 AM

Actually today should be double or nothing. Considering that US women lost to Canada yesterday, if USA loses, we keep Bieber, but if the USA wins, not only does Canada take back Bieber, but they also have to take Miley

ConservativePartyNow on February 21, 2014 at 11:43 AM

Every Olympics I realize how awesome hockey is, but then I don’t watch it again for another 4 years. This makes no sense.

Ugly on February 21, 2014 at 11:44 AM

I’ll up you 1. Loser keeps Bieber and Ft Lauderdale snowbirds. Them snowbirds don’t tip and can’t drive.

Brock Robamney on February 21, 2014 at 11:43 AM

What’s the difference between a canuck and a canoe?

VegasRick on February 21, 2014 at 11:46 AM

USA will win, 30-28, with a game winning safety.

TXUS on February 21, 2014 at 11:47 AM

@ Ugly

nhl network dude. or nbcsports — college games on fri. nites.

where u at? just a matter of finding a local team to follow.

/hockey fan for 30+ yrs.

ABreitbart on February 21, 2014 at 11:48 AM

@ TXUS

29-28 — a rogue via cdn rules!

ABreitbart on February 21, 2014 at 11:48 AM

USA will win, 30-28, with a game winning safety.

TXUS on February 21, 2014 at 11:47 AM

I think we win it by a rouge.

VegasRick on February 21, 2014 at 11:49 AM

Come on USA.

USA! USA! USA! USA!

portlandon on February 21, 2014 at 11:50 AM

According to Gallup, 93 percent of Americans rate Canada favorably; if they beat the U.S. again, that number could sink to the high 80s. Stakes are high.

This is why I love AP’s writing.

LancerDL on February 21, 2014 at 11:51 AM

Noon ET on NBC Sports, or you can watch the livestream online by logging in via your cable-provider username and password.

NBC is a free broadcast network…why do I need to have a cable provider to watch their livestream?

changer1701 on February 21, 2014 at 11:55 AM

The U.S. clamoring for revenge in hockey is like the Kansas City Chiefs clamoring for revenge in the Super Bowl.

One cannot demand revenge for something that can’t happen.

Look, go back to the NFL and the NBA and leave the hockey to the people who know how to play it.

ExUrbanKevin on February 21, 2014 at 11:56 AM

pambi on February 21, 2014 at 11:32 AM

http://larrybrownsports.com/olympics/ashley-wagner-rips-olympic-judges-accountable/220380/comment-page-1

More specifically, Wagner felt that the Russian skaters were given preferential treatment. Russia’s Adelina Sotnivoka won gold and Julia Lipnitskaia finished fifth after falling in each of her programs.

dogsoldier on February 21, 2014 at 11:56 AM

It was so cute to watch you guys get excited about beating the Russians in 1980, a feat that Team Canada had been doing since the early 70′s. It’s like watching the worst student in the class get excited about a C-…

ExUrbanKevin on February 21, 2014 at 11:57 AM

Said Russian figure skater fell down a couple times. The US Skater never fell. The So. Korea Skater had a minor mis-step, but hey what does a guy like me know about judging figure skating?

One would think not falling down would be y’know, kinda important, but I suppose if one does it with finesse….

dogsoldier on February 21, 2014 at 11:26 AM

The non-winning Russian (Yulia) fell, but the winning Russian (Adelina) did not. The problem is that they were both significantly overscored. Horrible judging.

DisneyFan on February 21, 2014 at 11:57 AM

What’s the difference between a canuck and a canoe?

VegasRick on February 21, 2014 at 11:46 AM

A Canoe will Tip.

ToddPA on February 21, 2014 at 11:58 AM

It was so cute to watch you guys get excited about beating the Russians in 1980, a feat that Team Canada had been doing since the early 70′s. It’s like watching the worst student in the class get excited about a C-…

ExUrbanKevin on February 21, 2014 at 11:57 AM

So it’s like the Canadian Navy?

portlandon on February 21, 2014 at 11:58 AM

@ExUrbanKevin

To this point in the tournament, the US has been playing the hockey better than any other team. Even the Swedes. But they play the games for a reason. Best of luck, eh?

dAnconia_Copper on February 21, 2014 at 11:58 AM

We beat the Soviet professionals with a bunch of students. It’s more like the kid in class who’s years younger, getting the highest score.

dAnconia_Copper on February 21, 2014 at 11:59 AM

More specifically, Wagner felt that the Russian skaters were given preferential treatment. Russia’s Adelina Sotnivoka won gold and Julia Lipnitskaia finished fifth after falling in each of her programs.

dogsoldier on February 21, 2014 at 11:56 AM

That’s a bit ironic, coming from Wagner.

bigmacdaddy on February 21, 2014 at 12:02 PM

Okay, but how many Americans know Dave Rywall?

hawkdriver on February 21, 2014 at 11:24 AM

.
D Rywall plays hookey, not hockey…

O CANADA… Our home and native land…
.
BTW, I’m in the middle of a tornado watch so hockey is pre-empted by continuous weather broadcasting…

ExpressoBold on February 21, 2014 at 12:02 PM

“Drive them before you, and enjoy the lamentations of their women!”

Akzed on February 21, 2014 at 12:03 PM

I’ll up you 1. Loser keeps Bieber and Ft Lauderdale snowbirds. Them snowbirds don’t tip and can’t drive.

Brock Robamney on February 21, 2014 at 11:43 AM

No matter what, you ain’t sending them back up here to NY. They’re your problem now. :P

JetBoy on February 21, 2014 at 12:03 PM

We still love you Canopfor :)

cmsinaz on February 21, 2014 at 11:31 AM

cmsinaz: Yes I Know, but hopefully we Canucks Kick-Ass:)
(sarc)

canopfor on February 21, 2014 at 12:03 PM

Every Olympics I realize how awesome hockey is, but then I don’t watch it again for another 4 years. This makes no sense.

Ugly on February 21, 2014 at 11:44 AM

ditto

Publius_jr on February 21, 2014 at 12:04 PM

DisneyFan on February 21, 2014 at 11:57 AM

I am incorrect. (shocking admission I admit.) I did read she stumbled or had awkward moments during her routine. The US Skater scored behind even the Russian Skater that DID fall down.

dogsoldier on February 21, 2014 at 12:05 PM

Every Olympics I realize how awesome hockey is, but then I don’t watch it again for another 4 years. This makes no sense.

Ugly on February 21, 2014 at 11:44 AM

ditto

Publius_jr on February 21, 2014 at 12:04 PM

The NCAA hockey tournament in March/April is really good hockey if you’re not really into the NHL.

Flange on February 21, 2014 at 12:06 PM

canopfor on February 21, 2014 at 12:03 PM

Hope y’all kick ass, too. In the Bronze Medal Game.

TXUS on February 21, 2014 at 12:07 PM

It was so cute to watch you guys get excited about beating the Russians in 1980, a feat that Team Canada had been doing since the early 70′s. It’s like watching the worst student in the class get excited about a C-… ExUrbanKevin on February 21, 2014 at 11:57 AM

And we could take Nova Scotia tomorrow morning.

Akzed on February 21, 2014 at 12:07 PM

As a Ducks fan and Kings hater, I’m in the odd position of rooting against two of my favorite players, Getzlaf and Perry, and for a King’s heavy US team.

That said….

USA USA USA!

peski on February 21, 2014 at 12:08 PM

It was so cute to watch you guys get excited about beating the Russians in 1980, a feat that Team Canada had been doing since the early 70′s. It’s like watching the worst student in the class get excited about a C-… ExUrbanKevin on February 21, 2014 at 11:57 AM

And we could take Nova Scotia tomorrow morning.

Akzed on February 21, 2014 at 12:07 PM

Awe, let them revel in the benefits of living on an iceberg. It’s all they have.

peski on February 21, 2014 at 12:09 PM

Every Olympics I realize how awesome hockey is, but then I don’t watch it again for another 4 years. This makes no sense.

Ugly on February 21, 2014 at 11:44 AM

ditto

Publius_jr on February 21, 2014 at 12:04 PM

HD TV has made me a fan. The game is awesome.

peski on February 21, 2014 at 12:10 PM

A reminder: Canada has a Prime Minister who’s ditching gun control, balancing the budget and preserving religious freedom.

USA has Obama.

Now ask yourself, who would a Conservative support?

ExUrbanKevin on February 21, 2014 at 12:14 PM

In 1825 six drunk Canadians got in a fight while ice fishing. The heel came off of Lord Stanley’s boot during the melee, and hockey was born.

Akzed on February 21, 2014 at 12:15 PM

U.S. men’s hockey rematch
Game at 12 p.m. ET streaming at cbc.ca/olympics

http://olympics.cbc.ca/blogs/author/mike-brophy/article/things-watch-for-canada-men-hockey-rematch.html

canopfor on February 21, 2014 at 12:15 PM

canopfor on February 21, 2014 at 12:03 PM

Hope y’all kick ass, too. In the Bronze Medal Game.

TXUS on February 21, 2014 at 12:07 PM

TXUS: Lol,.:)

canopfor on February 21, 2014 at 12:16 PM

“Say, are there any good Canadian restaurants around here?”

Akzed on February 21, 2014 at 12:16 PM

For you H/A Crew members in Harms Way:
=======================================

Severe weather in central, eastern US, Feb. 20-21, 2014
2m
Tornado warning issued for Putnam County, Fla., until 12:45 pm ET – @NWSJacksonville
see original on twitter.com

canopfor on February 21, 2014 at 12:19 PM

Canopfor :)

cmsinaz on February 21, 2014 at 12:20 PM

“Say, are there any good Canadian restaurants around here?”

Akzed on February 21, 2014 at 12:16 PM

Akzed:

Try the lower ship deck level, adjacent to the Troll Tracking
War Room!
(sarc)

canopfor on February 21, 2014 at 12:21 PM

D*mmitts:

You are posting comments too quickly. Slow down.

canopfor on February 21, 2014 at 12:22 PM

Loser keeps Bieber.

Flange on February 21, 2014 at 11:35 AM

Awesome idea.

ConstantineXI on February 21, 2014 at 12:22 PM

Goalie Jonathan Quick makes early save for the US as men’s hockey semifinal against Canada gets underway – @CBCOlympics

https://twitter.com/CBCOlympics/status/436912676313120768/photo/1

canopfor on February 21, 2014 at 12:23 PM

D*mmitts:

You are posting comments too quickly. Slow down.

canopfor on February 21, 2014 at 12:22 PM

A Canadian…being quick? Is there such a thing?

;)

JetBoy on February 21, 2014 at 12:25 PM

canopfor on February 21, 2014 at 12:21 PM

Today we’re practically rivals!

Aaaahhh!

Akzed on February 21, 2014 at 12:25 PM

Hope y’all kick ass, too. In the Bronze Medal Game.

TXUS on February 21, 2014 at 12:07 PM

Heh, but in the interest of sportsmanship we’ll give them 60 minutes to try to take the gold away from us first.

antipc on February 21, 2014 at 12:26 PM

For you H/A Peeps in Harms Way:

2m
New tornado watches issued for rest of eastern North Carolina until 7 pm ET – @weatherchannel

https://twitter.com/weatherchannel/status/436913139536658433

canopfor on February 21, 2014 at 12:26 PM

canopfor on February 21, 2014 at 12:22 PM

A Canadian…being quick? Is there such a thing?

;)

JetBoy on February 21, 2014 at 12:25 PM

JetBoy: Bieber,..haha!:)

canopfor on February 21, 2014 at 12:27 PM

canopfor on February 21, 2014 at 12:21 PM

Today we’re practically rivals!

Aaaahhh!

Akzed on February 21, 2014 at 12:25 PM

Akzed:Tru dats:)

canopfor on February 21, 2014 at 12:28 PM

Let’s see, here in America we have real football (not that wussy Euro thing), baseball, and basketball.

In Canada they have lots of snow and ice, and this sport called “Hock-e-eh?” that is sort of soccer on ice.

ConstantineXI on February 21, 2014 at 12:37 PM

USA USA USA!

gophergirl on February 21, 2014 at 12:39 PM

Why didn’t we have a thread yesterday when the women were playing?

cat_owner on February 21, 2014 at 12:41 PM

Why didn’t we have a thread yesterday when the women were playing?

cat_owner on February 21, 2014 at 12:41 PM

Because yesterday the women were playing. :-P

/sexist

bigmacdaddy on February 21, 2014 at 12:46 PM

One of my coworkers is from Calgary and the snooty politeness after the game four years ago was unbearable.

USA! USA! USA! USA!

alchemist19 on February 21, 2014 at 12:53 PM

Here is a interesting fact about Finland and Sweden ; Between the
so called second crusade ( a euphemism for a Swedish colonization mission ) by Swedens strong man Birger Jarl in 1249, and to the Finnish War in 1808 – 1809, Finland was a part of Sweden. Then it
belonged to Russia between 1809 to 1917.

Swedish Patriot on February 21, 2014 at 12:57 PM

Let’s see, here in America we have real football (not that wussy Euro thing), baseball, and basketball.

In Canada they have lots of snow and ice, and this sport called “Hock-e-eh?” that is sort of soccer on ice.

ConstantineXI on February 21, 2014 at 12:37 PM

NBA stars think of themselves as heroes, and hockey players who think our soldiers are heroes.

Hockey FTW.

ExUrbanKevin on February 21, 2014 at 12:57 PM

*********************** BOOM **************************************!!

canopfor on February 21, 2014 at 12:58 PM

2014 Sochi Olympics
3m
Canada scores 1st to go up 1-0 on US in men’s hockey semifinal match – @USATODAYsports
end of alert

canopfor on February 21, 2014 at 1:03 PM

Let’s see, here in America we have real football (not that wussy Euro thing), baseball, and basketball.

ConstantineXI on February 21, 2014 at 12:37 PM

The Canucks claim to have invented basketball.

antipc on February 21, 2014 at 1:03 PM

Choke.

1-0 Canucks.

USA team chokes again.

Oh well, we did win the gold in ice dancing so there’s that.

Bishop on February 21, 2014 at 1:06 PM

Bishop on February 21, 2014 at 1:06 PM

It’s only temporary.

Olympic goals F/A

USA; 20-5

Canada 13 14-3

antipc on February 21, 2014 at 1:16 PM

That was a nasty!!

canopfor on February 21, 2014 at 1:19 PM

The non-winning Russian (Yulia) fell, but the winning Russian (Adelina) did not. The problem is that they were both significantly overscored. Horrible judging.

DisneyFan on February 21, 2014 at 11:57 AM

The winning Russian (Adelina) did a lot more jumps than the Korean silver medalist, so she probably deserved a higher score. IMHO, the Italian bronze medalist also did many difficult jumps, much more gracefully, and probably should have won gold. But I’m not an expert on figure skating.

Steve Z on February 21, 2014 at 1:26 PM

The winning Russian (Adelina) did a lot more jumps than the Korean silver medalist, so she probably deserved a higher score. IMHO, the Italian bronze medalist also did many difficult jumps, much more gracefully, and probably should have won gold. But I’m not an expert on figure skating.

Steve Z on February 21, 2014 at 1:26 PM

Unfortunately, the bulk of the points come from landing jumps cleanly…graceful or not. And once you land a jump cleanly, you can fall without it really impacting the score too much.

I’m not an expert on figure skating either; I just stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

bigmacdaddy on February 21, 2014 at 1:31 PM

GO SWE GO on sunday!
:-)

ABreitbart on February 21, 2014 at 2:10 PM

USA Loses.

portlandon on February 21, 2014 at 2:11 PM

As a Canadian and a Calgarian, I am, of course, FAR too polite to gloat.

Much. :D

ExUrbanKevin on February 21, 2014 at 2:16 PM

Ah shit.

Jaibones on February 21, 2014 at 2:16 PM

I’m sorry for your loss.

he-he

HugoDrax on February 21, 2014 at 2:19 PM

Both goalies played very well – and the US team was unbelievable in their willingness to sacrifice the body / block shots to help Quick out.

I think the downfall was that the US didn’t forecheck / crash the zone as well as Canada did. It was another very good game.

Athos on February 21, 2014 at 2:19 PM

*Dallas Stars fan shakes her head*

Benn, Benn, Benn .. why today, you stinker !
:-(

pambi on February 21, 2014 at 2:20 PM

Sucky olympics for hockey

neyney on February 21, 2014 at 2:22 PM

Expected. When does the US basketball or soccer team play Canada?

El_Terrible on February 21, 2014 at 2:24 PM

Canada wins 1-0…????
.
..

….
Looks like Canada owns men’s Olympic hockey as well as the women’s game…

Now, if Sweden wins, I dunno what to tell ya.

ExpressoBold on February 21, 2014 at 2:27 PM

What did I say a few comments back.

CHOKE.

Bring back the college players, they gave us the Miracle.

Bishop on February 21, 2014 at 2:32 PM

Earlier this week, Obama tried to gluam onto the popularity of the US Hockey teams. His propaganda agency, ABC news, put out word of his bet with the Prime Minister of Canada. Of course, he jinxed both mens’s and women’s teams with his ‘magic’ touch.

olesparkie on February 21, 2014 at 2:32 PM

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