Coming soon to New York: Mandatory state-run parenting classes?

posted at 4:01 pm on February 21, 2014 by Allahpundit

Via Ace. “Not only would parents have to attend” if they want their kid to pass sixth grade, notes Walter Olson at Cato, “but for good measure the bill would require employers to bestow a paid day off each year for employees who are parents to do so.” Sounds good to some New Yorkers, as you’re about to see.

Here’s the bill, which you can read in 30 seconds. The state would put together workshops on 12 different subjects with parents required to attend four, one of which must be a workshop on sexual abuse. That’s the bill’s saving grace potentially; even Democrats who might otherwise balk at forcing parents to take state instruction on caring for their kids (are there any Democrats like that left?) will think twice before opposing a law that seeks to prevent child abuse. And for the ones who won’t balk, this makes for a nice foothold for future expansions of state oversight into largely private matters. Bloomberg’s much-mocked Big Gulp ban operated the same way. It was a small inconvenience in practice, but the principle is significant. That’s why it was worth his time.

Interesting tidbit about the chief sponsor, Ruben Diaz Sr.: He is indeed a Democrat but he’s also (somewhat notoriously in a very blue city) a Pentecostal minister and social conservative. He’s pro-life and voted against legalizing gay marriage more than once as a state senator. If anyone can build some bipartisan support for this in the legislature, he might be the guy.

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This should go hand in hand with Parent led Teacher evaluation workshops…right?

CitizenEgg on February 21, 2014 at 4:04 PM

I don’t know how my wife and I raised two fine sons without the states help.

NOMOBO on February 21, 2014 at 4:05 PM

It just keeps getting worse…

PatriotRider on February 21, 2014 at 4:06 PM

What could go wrong?

acyl72 on February 21, 2014 at 4:06 PM

Don’t you know it takes a village to raise a child??

Deano1952 on February 21, 2014 at 4:08 PM

Democrats who might otherwise balk at forcing parents to take state

Since when do Democrats balk at forcing anyone to do anything?

Puhleez

Vero Beach Florida on February 21, 2014 at 4:08 PM

Hey, maybe the state can make people get a license before having children at all.

Bitter Clinger on February 21, 2014 at 4:09 PM

Well, the First Lady DID tell us we’re a bunch of Knuckleheads.

ToddPA on February 21, 2014 at 4:09 PM

Interesting tidbit about the chief sponsor, Ruben Diaz Sr.: He is indeed a Democrat but he’s also (somewhat notoriously in a very blue city) a Pentecostal minister and social conservative. He’s pro-life and voted against legalizing gay marriage more than once as a state senator. If anyone can build some bipartisan support for this in the legislature, he might be the guy.

That’s nice for his positions, but in regards to the bill, here’s a few questions: what’s the curriculum? Is it pass-fail, or do you ‘pass’ simply by showing up? Are divorced parents (including those with absolutely no custody rights) required to attend?

Stoic Patriot on February 21, 2014 at 4:09 PM

one of which must be a workshop on sexual abuse.

Yeah…because someone who is going to diddle some little kid just won’t do that if the nice lady teaching the class points out how mean a thing that is?

These people have the mentality of not-too-bright demented children.

sharrukin on February 21, 2014 at 4:09 PM

I don’t know how my wife and I raised two fine sons without the states help.

NOMOBO on February 21, 2014 at 4:05 PM

And what makes the state experts at parenting anyway?

They specialize in nannying.

Bitter Clinger on February 21, 2014 at 4:10 PM

It is a fundamental right to be a parent free from the hindrance of the state. This pukes all over that right. Of course for those in the GOP who support expanding state marriage, and thinks that the state licensing something makes you more free- this should be great for them.

melle1228 on February 21, 2014 at 4:13 PM

Stupid State, stupid politicians and a stupid law. One in a continuing series.

Johnnyreb on February 21, 2014 at 4:13 PM

God Bless Texas

workingclass artist on February 21, 2014 at 4:14 PM

God help us. Who says the State knows what is best for a child or their parents? Is it a stretch to think some sort of agenda might be pushed at some time? Just asking…

major dad on February 21, 2014 at 4:16 PM

Well, they wanted him. This is just an appetizer. I anticipate watching the next few years in NYC with horrified fascination.

butch on February 21, 2014 at 4:16 PM

Provides that the topic of one such workshop shall be related to the physical, emotional and sexual abuse of children. Requires the completion of four workshops prior to the child’s graduation from sixth grade and shall be a requirement for advancement to the seventh grade.

Additional questions:

- Does this apply to homeschooled / private schooled children?
- If parents refuse to complete the course, are children going to be eternally held back / punished simply because their parents refuse to cooperate?

Stoic Patriot on February 21, 2014 at 4:17 PM

The state would put together workshops on 12 different subjects with parents required to attend four, one of which must be a workshop on sexual abuse.

The homework for that class is going to be hell on the kids. I hear they have Kevin Jennings creating the curriculum. He’s going to make sure he gets all the different types of secual abuse in, so parents can give their kids the full experience.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on February 21, 2014 at 4:19 PM

Eewww-topia.

trigon on February 21, 2014 at 4:22 PM

Requires persons in parental relation with a child of elementary school age to attend parent support programs; completion of four workshops one of which shall be related to physical, emotional and sexual abuse of children, shall be a requirement for the child’s advancement to seventh grade.

You really can read the bill in 30 seconds.

Too vague.
too much scope for who knows what kind of content
who knows who will be teaching
who knows how they’re going to define abuse
to whom does it apply? Stoic Patriot mentioned
homeschool/private school

Will cost money.

Expands government.

It will do nothing to prevent abuse.

INC on February 21, 2014 at 4:24 PM

What does anyone else expect from the Nanny state? Par for the course as far as I can tell. These are just stepping stones to a bigger agenda. Give it 5 to 10 years and then parents will be required to send their kids to alternate sex experience camps. In the name of tolerance of course. Not to worry though. NAMBLA will win a no-bid government contract to run the camps and they’re already experts at this sort of thing.

HotAirian on February 21, 2014 at 4:24 PM

Kill them in the womb though, right New York?

portlandon on February 21, 2014 at 4:24 PM

Parenting classes soon to include lessons on the dangers of guns in the home, signing up for Obamacare, signing up for food stamps etc.

El_Terrible on February 21, 2014 at 4:25 PM

The state would put together workshops on 12 different subjects

By the same jackholes who manage a school system which is lucky to graduate 50% of its students from high school, and half of those can barely read.

Bishop on February 21, 2014 at 4:27 PM

Next week’s parenting lesson, how Republicans want to poison your children and our planet.

El_Terrible on February 21, 2014 at 4:27 PM

This confuses me.

1) We make a law stating you MUST do X.

Ok I’m good so far. We have lots of laws like this.

2) We clarify, if you do not, we will punish… your CHILDREN and not you.

What the [expletive deleted] are you thinking?

I guess I missed that day when I learned America was founded on the “Rule of Law”. What part of the rule of law is guilt by association/relationship a punishable crime?

Lets say my dad lets someone die due to negligence and is found at fault (knock on wood that this never happens).

What is MY liability here for being related to my father? DO my cousins have any liability? How many generations does liability for crime spread within the family tree before it’s dissolved; now that we’re deliberately punishing children for their parents actions as a legal policy?

Sorry kid, we don’t like your parents and what they did or didn’t do, so you can never graduate High School, or go to college, or get a good job.

THAT sounds like a plan for a healthy society to someone?
Can I recommend immediate psychiatric help?

gekkobear on February 21, 2014 at 4:27 PM

If parents refuse to complete the course, are children going to be eternally held back / punished simply because their parents refuse to cooperate?

Stoic Patriot on February 21, 2014 at 4:17 PM

Isn’t visiting the sins of the parents unto the next generation a bit too ‘Old Testament’ for NYC?

Mordaukar on February 21, 2014 at 4:27 PM

Kids don’t get held back for not being able to read, but if these parents don’t show up to government propaganda sessions, the kids will be held back!

El_Terrible on February 21, 2014 at 4:29 PM

The country’s in the very best of hands…

sadatoni on February 21, 2014 at 4:29 PM

That pajama boy they interviewed toward the end was particularly annoying.

DEATH TO PAJAMA BOYS

WhatSlushfund on February 21, 2014 at 4:31 PM

It’s high time liberalrules demanded that conservatives stay out of our bedrooms.

gwelf on February 21, 2014 at 4:31 PM

Do these kids get granted amnesty? I thought punishing kids for acts of the parents was a no no.

El_Terrible on February 21, 2014 at 4:31 PM

So…………

Parents bail on parent-teacher conferences to the point that a stupid cow in Detroit got it so that Wayne County offered up gift cards to Target and other retailers if they merely showed up. And these types of parents are going to a NannyFest? The very parents (mostly birth mammas I’m guessing) who would most benefit are least likely to attend. If they get a paid day off of work, they will not be wasting it sitting around an elementary school.

Sorry all this law would do is criminalize not turning over your precious snowflake to the state collective. Next up, re-education days in “tolerance” for those Jesus Freaks who insist on home schooling. Equality days to teach heterosexual couples on the beauty that comes from same-sex relationships. And “peace out” days for non pot-smokers.

Happy Nomad on February 21, 2014 at 4:31 PM

Why are liberals so eager to be told what to do?

Donald Draper on February 21, 2014 at 4:31 PM

They can’t vote, maybe they need help raising their kids. I mean, a sandanista socialist with a confused wife. You want these morons raising children on their own? They need directions to tie their shoes.
You get what you pay for.

HillC Liver Spot on February 21, 2014 at 4:32 PM

Why are liberals so eager to be told what to do?

Donald Draper on February 21, 2014 at 4:31 PM

Because if it were not for double standards, liberals would have no standards at all. These rules are for the common folk, not the left wing radicals that push them on society. They are enlightened enough that they are automatically exempt from what they demand society do to others.

Happy Nomad on February 21, 2014 at 4:33 PM

Yeah, like NY doesn’t have enough problems getting students to attend school. Now they are going to try and get parents to attend ‘classes’ in how to raise your kids…FU!!!!

It also looks as though this is the second time this bill has been sent to committee:

Actions

Jan 8, 2014: REFERRED TO EDUCATION
Jan 9, 2013: REFERRED TO EDUCATION

Maybe NY legislators should just worry about the general welfare and leave the parenting to the parents. They have a hard enough time with the former.

Patriot Vet on February 21, 2014 at 4:33 PM

Bunch of retarted idiots.

Murphy9 on February 21, 2014 at 4:34 PM

When they call you up to ask why you didn’t make your scheduled training session simply tell them it was a Common Core type of thing: You FELT like you had attended, therefore you did.

Bishop on February 21, 2014 at 4:36 PM

No one knows good parenting like a good nanny state. All hail The People’s Socialist Republic of Amerika!

ghostwalker1 on February 21, 2014 at 4:38 PM

the bill would require employers to bestow a paid day off each year

Does anybody work in this fvckin’ country anymore?!?

Lanceman on February 21, 2014 at 4:39 PM

Unneeded by Andy Cuomo.

vityas on February 21, 2014 at 4:40 PM

Counting my lucky stars that I don’t live in this increasingly stupid state.

Good Lt on February 21, 2014 at 4:40 PM

shoot meant to hit preview to make sure the link showed right.
they covered these classes in prison in that episode

dmacleo on February 21, 2014 at 4:41 PM

Meanwhile in Kanasas…some folks feel the state doesn’t allow them to hit kids hard enough.
They feel it should be ok to bruise.
How about they’re the only one that have to take this NY class?

verbaluce on February 21, 2014 at 4:42 PM

Obviously they need parenting classes because the human species got it wrong thousands of years ago and the species died out…

Oh, wait…

ajacksonian on February 21, 2014 at 4:42 PM

Resist. Refuse. Defy.

FlameWarrior on February 21, 2014 at 4:42 PM

The prerequisite is completion of a gun safety class

jake49 on February 21, 2014 at 4:43 PM

Meanwhile in Kanasas…some folks feel the state doesn’t allow them to hit kids hard enough.
They feel it should be ok to bruise.
How about they’re the only one that have to take this NY class?

verbaluce on February 21, 2014 at 4:42 PM

Ask the Kansas Democrat that is pushing that law about whether the idea has merit.

Happy Nomad on February 21, 2014 at 4:45 PM

They feel it should be ok to bruise.
How about they’re the only one that have to take this NY class?

verbaluce on February 21, 2014 at 4:42 PM

Heh. If your father had ‘bruised’ you, you wouldn’t be in here talking stupid shit. Wonder how the greatest generation survived and thrived without your girly-man insight.

Lanceman on February 21, 2014 at 4:45 PM

How about mandatory classes before having sex?

ConstantineXI on February 21, 2014 at 4:45 PM

Meanwhile in Kanasas…some folks feel the state doesn’t allow them to hit kids hard enough.
They feel it should be ok to bruise.

verbaluce on February 21, 2014 at 4:42 PM

It would have done you a world of good. … It still might.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on February 21, 2014 at 4:46 PM

We can punish children for their parents not showing up to a seminar.

But heaven forbid we punish the kids for their parents illegally showing up over the border.

byepartisan on February 21, 2014 at 4:46 PM

How about mandatory classes before having sex?

ConstantineXI on February 21, 2014 at 4:45 PM

Because kindergarteners, who can get condoms in many schools, wouldn’t get much out of a mandatory class that includes nap time.

Happy Nomad on February 21, 2014 at 4:49 PM

Meanwhile in Kanasas…some folks feel the state doesn’t allow them to hit kids hard enough.
They feel it should be ok to bruise.
verbaluce on February 21, 2014 at 4:42 PM
It would have done you a world of good. … It still might.
ThePrimordialOrderedPair on February 21, 2014 at 4:46 PM

I can think of one case where it might have. If Barry had had his ass busted a few times he might have had the narcissism beaten out of him.

ConstantineXI on February 21, 2014 at 4:49 PM

How about they’re the only one that have to take this NY class?

verbaluce on February 21, 2014 at 4:42 PM

How about you stop trying to force your personal morality on others!

sharrukin on February 21, 2014 at 4:49 PM

“People who are truly offended by it are probably the ones that need it the most.”

Classic. Like “if you object to being called a racist, you probably are one.” The infinite mindgames of the Left to force you into an untenable existence.

rrpjr on February 21, 2014 at 4:50 PM

You liked them when they destroyed America’s health care delivery system;

You’ll love them when they tell you how to raise your kid.

Cicero43 on February 21, 2014 at 4:51 PM

Meanwhile in Kanasas…some folks feel the state doesn’t allow them to hit kids hard enough.
They feel it should be ok to bruise.
How about they’re the only one that have to take this NY class?

verbaluce on February 21, 2014 at 4:42 PM

Ask the Kansas Democrat that is pushing that law about whether the idea has merit.

Happy Nomad on February 21, 2014 at 4:45 PM

No party has a monopoly on stupid.

verbaluce on February 21, 2014 at 4:51 PM

Don’t you know anything? It takes a Village to raise children.

DDay on February 21, 2014 at 4:53 PM

It would have done you a world of good. … It still might.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on February 21, 2014 at 4:46 PM

This explains a lot.

verbaluce on February 21, 2014 at 4:54 PM

No party has a monopoly on stupid.

verbaluce on February 21, 2014 at 4:51 PM

Weak.
You and I both figured it to be Republican.
And you and I were both chagrined at the same time.

Lanceman on February 21, 2014 at 4:54 PM

That pajama boy they interviewed toward the end was particularly annoying.

DEATH TO PAJAMA BOYS

WhatSlushfund on February 21, 2014 at 4:31 PM

I know it’s bad form to quote my own post, but I had a further thought: We were having a discussion not too long ago on Jihad Watch about Osama bin Laden targets at shooting ranges.

Some enterprising person should start printing Pajama Boy targets. I bet they’d sell a lot.

WhatSlushfund on February 21, 2014 at 4:55 PM

DEATH TO PAJAMA BOYS

WhatSlushfund on February 21, 2014 at 4:31 PM

I need to steal that as a sock next OR.

Lanceman on February 21, 2014 at 4:56 PM

That Kansas democrat lady wants you to bruise your kids!
You’re racist for questioning her, Verbalucce.

HillC Liver Spot on February 21, 2014 at 4:57 PM

“All your base [children] are belong to us”

mjbrooks3 on February 21, 2014 at 4:57 PM

They feel it should be ok to bruise.
How about they’re the only one that have to take this NY class?

verbaluce on February 21, 2014 at 4:42 PM

Heh. If your father had ‘bruised’ you, you wouldn’t be in here talking stupid shit. Wonder how the greatest generation survived and thrived without your girly-man insight.

Lanceman on February 21, 2014 at 4:45 PM

Lanceman, I think you’re missing a big point. Verbaluce is clearly a member of the pajama boy generation. Weak feckless creatures who are almost androgynous “males” who put grooming ahead of almost everything else.

Verbaluce doesn’t understand such concepts as family protector and instilling ones values in the next generation. Verbaluce will dutifully put on his onesie, brew a cup of tea, and hold an Obamacare sign-up slumber party because Obama told him to. Instead of providing for a family, Verbaluce will sponge off his parents until well into the time when young males have traditionally left the nest in all respects. Verbaluce is a clear example of societal blight. Sadly, Verbaluce is not patient zero. There are many such examples of well-groomed whimps who are decidedly boys not men.

Happy Nomad on February 21, 2014 at 5:01 PM

So if we like our children, can we keep our children?

byepartisan on February 21, 2014 at 5:06 PM

The veil which masks their nanny statism becomes thinner still.

anuts on February 21, 2014 at 5:07 PM

Good parenting begins in the womb. I hardly think New York is the state to talk about what’s best for children.

SubjectVerb on February 21, 2014 at 5:10 PM

No party has a monopoly on stupid.

verbaluce on February 21, 2014 at 4:51 PM

Hey, you were the one who drew that Kansas bill into the discussion. You represented that Kansas bill in such a way that suggested it was right-wing “folk” (read Bible thumpers) wanted this bill.

To come back with such a stupid response is typical of your posts. Reminds me of the idiots at Groupon who said that Alexander Hamilton was one of the greatest American Presidents. When confronted with the truth- they only said that we’ll have to agree to disagree. No party has a monopoly on stupid that was never the point.

Happy Nomad on February 21, 2014 at 5:13 PM

If your father had ‘bruised’ you, you wouldn’t be in here talking stupid shit. Wonder how the greatest generation survived and thrived without your girly-man insight.

Lanceman on February 21, 2014 at 4:45 PM

Only a pus$y of a man beats a kid, tough guy.

verbaluce on February 21, 2014 at 5:13 PM

Happy Nomad on February 21, 2014 at 5:01 PM

Ha…you are working hard today.

verbaluce on February 21, 2014 at 5:15 PM

We should take this opportunity to fence off NYC to keep the plague from spreading. Anyone jumping the fences would be treated as the Mexicans treat people crossing THEIR southern border illegally…..shot in the head first, no questions later.

Diluculo on February 21, 2014 at 5:16 PM

I’m thinking even more people are going to be moving out of NY State.

kjatexas on February 21, 2014 at 5:17 PM

I’m glad there is a government program that will help us keep children’s fingers out of light sockets

Brock Robamney on February 21, 2014 at 5:19 PM

You represented that Kansas bill in such a way that suggested it was right-wing “folk” (read Bible thumpers) wanted this bill.

Happy Nomad on February 21, 2014 at 5:13 PM

What are you talking about, seriously?
Can we t least stick to stuff I actually did say?

verbaluce on February 21, 2014 at 5:19 PM

Hey, maybe the state can make people get a license before having children at all.

Bitter Clinger on February 21, 2014 at 4:09 PM

Exactly what I was thinking. How Orwellian! Listen to the people on the street unable to conceive of how Big Brother legitimizing your parenting is a threat to your fundamental freedoms!

LancerDL on February 21, 2014 at 5:23 PM

Wow. I have no idea how my wife and I raise two great adult children without this.

Oh wait, I do know! We worked hard, read books, talked to older parents (including, of course, our own parents) and went to church. It’s amazing what you can do when you don’t sit around on your fat *ss watching reality TV.

And to the idiot who said “those who are most offended are the ones who need it the most”: I’ll match up my parenting skills and my kids against your skills and your kids any day, bro’. Any day.

lovesthesun on February 21, 2014 at 5:24 PM

Only a pus$y of a man beats a kid, tough guy.

verbaluce on February 21, 2014 at 5:13 PM

Yep. All those pussy men that won the Second World War. And the ones that didn’t get it that needed it ended up as drags on society.

I needed it and I got it. And I’m a better man for it.

Lanceman on February 21, 2014 at 5:26 PM

…parents would “have to attend” if they want their kid to pass sixth grade”…

Sure, help kids by denying them an education.
/

This will go nowhere…social con Dem or not.

verbaluce on February 21, 2014 at 5:31 PM

Only a pus$y of a man beats a kid, tough guy.

verbaluce on February 21, 2014 at 5:13 PM

Yep. All those pu$$y men that won the Second World War. And the ones that didn’t get it that needed it ended up as drags on society.

I needed it and I got it. And I’m a better man for it.

Lanceman on February 21, 2014 at 5:32 PM

Only a pus$y of a man beats a kid, tough guy.

verbaluce on February 21, 2014 at 5:13 PM

Yep. All those pu$$y men that won the Second World War. And the ones that didn’t get it that needed it ended up as drags on society.

I needed it and I got it. And I’m a better man for it.

Lanceman on February 21, 2014 at 5:32 PM

You are confusing the decent with the not so.
Could be a result of something from your childhood.

verbaluce on February 21, 2014 at 5:39 PM

Does Bill O’Reilly and Sean Hannity know about this? How about the entire FOX News Network?

DDay on February 21, 2014 at 5:39 PM

There’s got to be one semi-conservative lawmaker left in upstate NY right? Have him propose some legislation requiring all legislators to attend 16 hours every session of a “workshop” on The U.S. Constitution, the Federalist Papers, The DoI, etc. before they can vote on anything.

lowandslow on February 21, 2014 at 5:43 PM

You are confusing the decent with the not so.
Could be a result of something from your childhood.

verbaluce on February 21, 2014 at 5:39 PM

Yeah. Sure. I need some fool liberal telling me how life works.

I like you, verbie. But you’ll do exactly as the state tells you. When your chocolate rations are increase from 15 grams to 10, you’ll cheer. Meh. I guess if you can convince yourself of something that’s not so, who am I to tell you otherwise.

Lanceman on February 21, 2014 at 5:45 PM

So they are going to teach parents how to abuse kids in other ways than spanking. It’s bad enough they are teaching 1st graders about sex (I really never knew why some people were boys and some were girls in 1st grade). Then in 5th grade they make sure kids know how to do “it” — ostensibly so they don’t — and then they give them brochures from “Un-Planned Parenthood” in case there is a little problem.

KenInIL on February 21, 2014 at 5:52 PM

This is a stupid idea. On the other hand, when you turn your kids over to the state to be educated by the government, you cede a good chunk of control over your child, as well as influence, in the creation of their character, the content of their education and curriculum, the allowable parameters for their conduct (school makes the rules, not you, while at school), the food they are able to eat, etc., etc.

You shouldn’t send your children to public school if it is important to you to be the primary influence in their lives. There are many great public schools, with great programs and people (despite the raging, irrational hatred of some on the boards here at anything “public” about schools). However, the reality is that you are shunted to the side for a good portion of your children’s waking hours and become a member of an ensemble of characters in their life, There are also many people involved in the public schools who view it as their mission to impart perspectives and principles which would go against those you hold dear.

You have options. Exercise them.

xNavigator on February 21, 2014 at 5:53 PM

Kill them in the womb though, right New York?

portlandon on February 21, 2014 at 4:24 PM

Only if they’re black.

CurtZHP on February 21, 2014 at 5:54 PM

Calm down. Let me get this out there as I told Del we home school our kids. Also I agreed with Del that our schools were terrible on purpose. Then I went off the rails a bit….the old PUI (posting under the influence). Even noobs drink and post when they know they should not!

First, as long as we (the wife and I) get to pick and be in charge of our village, I do agree that it does take a village to raise our children….. FYI, we have a lot of young ‘ins.

Second, this is being proposed at the state level…..Federalism and all that. I love NYC and go there all the time, but will not live there as most of my guns are not allowed. Thus, I pick the state I want to live in. This is how the founding fathers envisioned we would be governed. Yes, the states have given the 10th back to the feds in many ways; what can I say….the voters went along all those years.

Third, this is the dumbest idea I have heard the idiot progressives try lately. I know….I know…..us Liberals are to blame for everything. This is the type issue we can band together and fight to squash. But, I don’t live in New York and if that is what they want…then so be it. Don’t bring up The ACA for the 100th time…..I was against the bill and idea behind it from day one.

Attack me for being a liberal and blame me, but I will fight this type of stupid the best I can.

Finally, I am only a third the way through a 30 pack. It is Friday!!!!!

HonestLib on February 21, 2014 at 5:56 PM

If Cuomo wants to chase conservatives and Christians out of the state, this is one way to do it.

Ward Cleaver on February 21, 2014 at 5:56 PM

This is how the founding fathers envisioned we would be governed.

HonestLib on February 21, 2014 at 5:56 PM

Well they did have those pesky amendments written up and those tend to get in the way of just doin’ what ya feel.

sharrukin on February 21, 2014 at 6:02 PM

There’s got to be one semi-conservative lawmaker left in upstate NY right? Have him propose some legislation requiring all legislators to attend 16 hours every session of a “workshop” on The U.S. Constitution, the Federalist Papers, The DoI, etc. before they can vote on anything.

lowandslow on February 21, 2014 at 5:43 PM

Starting the “slow clap” on that! Outstanding idea. Expand it to the US Congress to make it mandatory that all Congresscritters spend the first week of any new session reviewing the Constitution and governing laws. Only then are they certified to vote on proposed legislation.

Happy Nomad on February 21, 2014 at 6:04 PM

1. What would the state do if an illegal alien, undocumented immigrant or whatever they name these law breakers, chooses not to attend. Are they going to punish their child or children. Wouldn’t that be considered racists by their definition.

and

2. How much will this all cost because they would have to have “teachers” that can speak different languages. This would be insane. Unfortuately I live here (but I do plan to get out ASAP) and when I go to vote or use mass transit I always see signs and ads in different languages and I feel like I am the foreigner in my own country. It is truly sad and depressing.

One_If_By_Land on February 21, 2014 at 6:05 PM

Only a pus$y of a man beats a kid, tough guy.

verbaluce on February 21, 2014 at 5:13 PM

ROFL

Spanking = Beating.

Bishop on February 21, 2014 at 6:19 PM

…we home school our kids

…we have a lot of young ‘ins.

…Finally, I am only a third the way through a 30 pack.

HonestLib on February 21, 2014 at 5:56 PM

Same here with the homeschooling…and the lots of kids (six)…Good for you on both!

Enjoy your beer and weekend!

xNavigator on February 21, 2014 at 6:19 PM

Well they did have those pesky amendments written up and those tend to get in the way of just doin’ what ya feel.

sharrukin on February 21, 2014 at 6:02 PM

Understand, and in context of the proposed law in New York, which amendment would be the conflict? If you can, please provide case law and I will read up tomorrow and respond. About, “what ya feel”…..sadly John Roberts disagrees.

HonestLib on February 21, 2014 at 6:27 PM

Only a pus$y of a man beats a kid, tough guy.

verbaluce on February 21, 2014 at 5:13 PM

ROFL

Spanking = Beating.

Bishop on February 21, 2014 at 6:19 PM

After the daily beatings from the wife, I ain’t got the spirit to spank the kids. I kind of like the beatings though.

HonestLib on February 21, 2014 at 6:32 PM

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