Coming soon to New York: Mandatory state-run parenting classes?

posted at 4:01 pm on February 21, 2014 by Allahpundit

Via Ace. “Not only would parents have to attend” if they want their kid to pass sixth grade, notes Walter Olson at Cato, “but for good measure the bill would require employers to bestow a paid day off each year for employees who are parents to do so.” Sounds good to some New Yorkers, as you’re about to see.

Here’s the bill, which you can read in 30 seconds. The state would put together workshops on 12 different subjects with parents required to attend four, one of which must be a workshop on sexual abuse. That’s the bill’s saving grace potentially; even Democrats who might otherwise balk at forcing parents to take state instruction on caring for their kids (are there any Democrats like that left?) will think twice before opposing a law that seeks to prevent child abuse. And for the ones who won’t balk, this makes for a nice foothold for future expansions of state oversight into largely private matters. Bloomberg’s much-mocked Big Gulp ban operated the same way. It was a small inconvenience in practice, but the principle is significant. That’s why it was worth his time.

Interesting tidbit about the chief sponsor, Ruben Diaz Sr.: He is indeed a Democrat but he’s also (somewhat notoriously in a very blue city) a Pentecostal minister and social conservative. He’s pro-life and voted against legalizing gay marriage more than once as a state senator. If anyone can build some bipartisan support for this in the legislature, he might be the guy.

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Same here with the homeschooling…and the lots of kids (six)…Good for you on both!

Enjoy your beer and weekend!

xNavigator on February 21, 2014 at 6:19 PM

Kids changed and saved my life! If I was not so old, I would dump the current wife (nah, why make her happy) and start a new batch.

HonestLib on February 21, 2014 at 6:36 PM

Spanking = Beating.

Bishop on February 21, 2014 at 6:19 PM

No, when my father went for his belt, I knew it was time to haul ass. Sometimes he caught me, sometimes he didn’t.

The only one of my childhood friends that didn’t get a whipping every now and then because his father was cowed by the mother is a member of the Coffee party and of course, Third Way. His wife is a reproduction of his over-bearing mother. Fortunately, no kids were begotten.

Lanceman on February 21, 2014 at 6:38 PM

Great idea! And while we’re at it, we can force people to attend classes in how to live peacefully with your neighbors, how to treat your wife or husband, why you shouldn’t lie or steal. And we could call it…

Church?

Socratease on February 21, 2014 at 6:45 PM

On step from a test to determine eligibility to have children and forced sterilization if you fail.

jalegend on February 21, 2014 at 6:46 PM

You represented that Kansas bill in such a way that suggested it was right-wing “folk” (read Bible thumpers) wanted this bill.

Happy Nomad on February 21, 2014 at 5:13 PM

You busted the vebaluce,He didn’t know it was a dem pushing that bill.You nailed him,he went to Google and came back with that lame reply.Bravo.

docflash on February 21, 2014 at 6:54 PM

“People who are truly offended by it are probably the ones that need it the most.”

Racist

FrankT on February 21, 2014 at 6:57 PM

progressive in charge when ww2 broke out in europe.
progressive in charge now.
gonna be real ugly.
and the next admin will get the blame if it all breaks down over there and we have to step into it.
yay.

dmacleo on February 21, 2014 at 7:25 PM

CRAP wrong tab, sorry disregard that last post

dmacleo on February 21, 2014 at 7:25 PM

Kinda strange from a party who wants to destroy the family to seek demand everyone take parenting lessons.

I can imagine the loopy 40 plus year old teachers statists who never had children that’ll be running these classes.

A sign above the class door will read; “Don’t complain. Planned Parenthood could have saved you from this inconvenience.”

StubbornGreenBurros on February 21, 2014 at 7:42 PM

Some mandatory caning would go a lot farther toward turning out decent young adults.

bluesdoc70 on February 21, 2014 at 7:47 PM

I had my fanny warmed by my sainted father many times and I also remember my toughest teachers that I hated at the time but later adored them along with my dad. It’s just part of the process of growing up for some of us. Military boot camps were made to back off the tough stuff and then the military realized they needed tough men; shall I say Seals, Rangers, Delta Force and not all of them qualify, something like 15% make it through. I’ve met many of these men and it truly is a pleasure to shake the hand of these men. I am so proud of them.

mixplix on February 21, 2014 at 8:35 PM

…so my parents…abused me…when I got spanked?…can I dig them up so the State can spank them?

KOOLAID2 on February 21, 2014 at 9:31 PM

Great idea! And while we’re at it, we can force people to attend classes in how to live peacefully with your neighbors, how to treat your wife or husband, why you shouldn’t lie or steal. And we could call it…

Church?

Socratease on February 21, 2014 at 6:45 PM

Amen.

AesopFan on February 21, 2014 at 10:37 PM

So, adult women will have one of two choices – have the baby and go to class or abort. This will only increase the number of abortions in the state and hurt the poor the most.

Talk about a war on women. They just called them stupid to raise a child on their own.f

djaymick on February 22, 2014 at 12:23 AM

So. We should all take parenting classes because…fishing licenses! There are so many bad parents out there, and fishing licenses keep people from being bad fisher–uh,…persons! So…right! You know?

Mollyzin on February 22, 2014 at 8:56 AM

Classes on how to raise a good Marxist!

Viator on February 22, 2014 at 9:22 AM

Good idea, and then they should require that couples and/or single-moms apply for and receive a “Birthing Permit” prior to conception.
Of course, to protect the safety of society, each applicant will have to pass a background check to ensure they are not criminals, or have serious anti-social problems.

Another Drew on February 22, 2014 at 9:42 AM

Those who are astute enough to understand that this ilk have long range plans, can only relate to the moment when Jocelyn Elders ( in her silly admiral suit) got fired for foolishly admitting the true agenda of the left. We want to teach your children to mas____bate (pleasure yourself) before you parents can tell them it’s wrong.
Still the GOP won’t touch the very successful culture weapons they have successfully destroyed our society and used to take us down.

Don L on February 22, 2014 at 9:51 AM

How about a required class on the states constitutional boundaries and limits of government?

Fiscal responsibility?

That parental responsibility starts in the womb?

Welfare and EBT fraud and the penalties?

I could go own. But this is how the thought reeducation camps got started.

This is nothing but a massive overreach by government and anyone voting for it will rue the day they did.

New York is pretty close to being lost. It’s run by wanna-be dictators and oligarchs who believe the government is theirs to do with what they wish.

It is also largely occupied by people who quite obviously want to be ruled.

Marcus Traianus on February 22, 2014 at 9:56 AM

Sure, parents should be forced to do things against their wills when they keep voting for communists to run their lives, why not?

redguy on February 22, 2014 at 9:59 AM

Utopia!!!!!

Pegcity on February 22, 2014 at 10:59 AM

Are we living in a movie?

From Live Free or Die Hard – Matt Farrell: “if one thing gets taken out, the system will recover, but if all of them go down, the system crashes!”

It certainly appears that the progressives are attempting to “take out” the system of law so that only an all-powerful government bureaucracy makes the rules.

pilsener on February 22, 2014 at 11:30 AM

Just watched the video again for chuckles, and why would anyone take advice from a carp (yellow bass for red necks) in ponytails about fishing?

HonestLib on February 22, 2014 at 11:46 AM

I remember getting spanked by my neighbors parents.

Boy have things changed, and not for the better.

Pegcity on February 22, 2014 at 11:49 AM

Requires persons in parental relation with a child of elementary school age to attend parent support programs; completion of four workshops one of which shall be related to physical, emotional and sexual abuse of children, shall be a requirement for the child’s advancement to seventh grade.

This is why we need Marriage Equality Now so that I can marry my kids and be partners instead of parents. C’mon gheys, help us out here.

Nutstuyu on February 22, 2014 at 12:48 PM

Coming soon to New York: Mandatory state-run parenting classes?

On the surface, a good idea. But in the end something just effective as pre-marriage counseling in preventing divorce.

In the end, people in general just plain suck and government certainly aren’t the ones to change human behavior no matter what the Liberals think.

Dr. ZhivBlago on February 22, 2014 at 1:36 PM

On the surface, a good idea. But in the end something just effective as pre-marriage counseling in preventing divorce.

In the end, people in general just plain suck and government certainly aren’t the ones to change human behavior no matter what the Liberals think.

Dr. ZhivBlago on February 22, 2014 at 1:36 PM

Not one qualified to give out awards, but you should get the common sense award of the day. I might change Liberals to folks in general, but that would be splitting hairs, so to speak.

HonestLib on February 22, 2014 at 1:42 PM

This (government taking over child up bringing) seems to be a global trend. Scotland just enacted a law that EVERY child born in the country at time of birth will be assigned an “advocate” selected by the government. This “advocate” will track the child from (for now) birth to age 18. He/she will conduct inspections of homes and report to the government on “conditions” that the child lives under. A bad report for any reason could be a nightmare for parents. Two things about this:
A little man with a mustache in 1939 Germany said to the effect of “Give me the children and I will control the world”.
In my humble opinion such “advocates” should be met at the front door with a baseball bat. (Metaphorically speaking of course snark)
Can anyone expect any less from the communist mayor or NY, the White House?

Sulaco on February 22, 2014 at 2:09 PM

Scotland just enacted a law that EVERY child born in the country at time of birth will be assigned an “advocate” selected by the government. This “advocate” will track the child from (for now) birth to age 18.

Sulaco on February 22, 2014 at 2:09 PM

Such a gorgeous country… now down the tubes.

petefrt on February 22, 2014 at 6:05 PM

There is parenting problem and the government helped facilitate it. Now they’re going to fix it? Typical.

iceman1960 on February 22, 2014 at 7:20 PM

More freedoms stolen by the nanny state. Keep your hands off me and my kids! So it begins, the re-education camps!

searcher on February 22, 2014 at 9:05 PM

License and registration please:

For your CHILDREN.

TX-96 on February 23, 2014 at 7:18 AM

“…even Democrats who might otherwise balk at forcing parents to take state instruction on caring for their kids (are there any Democrats like that left?) will think twice before opposing a law that seeks to prevent child abuse.”

Sure. In the same way they “might have balked” at anti-2A measures.

Idk what NY’s abuse rates look like, but this would piss me off and I seriously doubt a class is going to deter a real abuser.

Recon5 on February 23, 2014 at 11:25 AM

50% of births were paid for by Medicaid last year. Responsible parenting?

New York government is dealing with all kinds of parents and that is what drives this kind of legislation. As courts have said you can’t can’t can’t in schools, there is less and less controlling legal authority and it leads to this kind of thing.

Fleuries on February 23, 2014 at 3:05 PM

I don’t think even the Commies do this.

Axion on February 23, 2014 at 8:56 PM

Interesting tidbit about the chief sponsor, Ruben Diaz Sr.: He is indeed a Democrat but he’s also (somewhat notoriously in a very blue city) a Pentecostal minister and social conservative. He’s pro-life and voted against legalizing gay marriage more than once as a state senator. If anyone can build some bipartisan support for this in the legislature, he might be the guy.

In that city, it wouldn’t take much to get a coalition for anything that transfers power to the state.

This guy is a more soc than con. His conservative credential is that he is against abortion and same sex marriage. He doesnt seem to have any issues with top down decision making. He just wants to control the top

Díaz expressed anger at Governor Eliot Spitzer after Spitzer reversed course and abandoned his plan to allow illegal immigrants to obtain New York driver’s licenses. Díaz said he had been betrayed by Spitzer.

I call this one a Soc-Top, because he replaces the promise of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, with life, obedience, and happiness defined by the State

entagor on February 23, 2014 at 9:08 PM

Good, its about time NY lying liberals get a taste of big government rhetoric, lol… Heck they will probably love it since new yorkers or the most uninformed when it comes to politics and have the most liberal politicians who’ve been caught lying, cheating or cronyism and they make em a celebrity, lol. Face it, new yorkers are just dumb. And ya can’t fix stupid, lol…

soapyjeans on February 24, 2014 at 12:31 AM

Ha! And then the state will send some kid with an associate degree who doesn’t have children yet to explain it all.

This will never pass.

magicbeans on February 24, 2014 at 9:44 AM

The East is red.

kjatexas on February 24, 2014 at 10:12 AM

Let’s look down the Sondheim road of unintended consequences: parents must attend, so they must “participate.” They must not be disruptive to the class, because there’s no way this is going to be done on an individual parent basis. The instructor will decide what is disruptive behavior, which by extension will include disruptive speech. Speech that disagrees with the state-given positions on proper parenting or government role in that parenting will be deemed “disruptive.” Said parents will not “pass” the class and will not be recorded (yes, recorded) as having taken the class.

How can this happen? Right here in Minnesota we were registering our daughter for kindergarten. We received a summary sheet of information about address and so forth. The family unit has been given an identification number. Each parent has been given an identification number. The school district has given me, a parent not attending their schools, an id number. Any questions about how this can be effected in your town? Will I have to report to the school if my husband dies? What if I get remarried? I strongly resent parent tracking. It is none of their business what the kids’ living arrangements are so long as they are legal and within their boundaries. Think of the data columns your parent number can end up in. Think what happens when those names are cross-referenced with voter rolls.

winoceros on February 25, 2014 at 11:11 AM

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