Video: ObamaCare enrollee can’t get doctor to see her

posted at 3:21 pm on February 20, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

CBS affiliates bring us two updates on the ongoing disaster of Covered California, the ObamaCare exchange in the Golden State that has begun to look a lot more like Uncovered Californians. In Sacramento, Nick Janes reports on the plight of Katherine Cadman, who eagerly signed up for an insurance policy through the state’s exchange — and then tried to use it to see a doctor. Doctors, however, are not anxious to see customers from ObamaCare plans, thanks to the lousy reimbursement rates:

One viewer said she did months of research before picking the plan that Blue Cross recommended. But it’s still been a nightmare.

Katherine Cadman says her emails and calls aren’t getting anywhere. She says she signed up for an Anthem Blue Cross Plan, but doctors keep refusing to see her.

“It’s just not right,” she said. “It does make you feel like you’re a second-class citizen.”

Chris and Tammy Dunn told us the same exact thing about their experience trying to find a doctor to fix Chris’ back. He says an in-network doctor turned him down.

“I haven’t slept in four months,” said Chris.

When we again reached out to Anthem again for answers on Wednesday and they issued the following statement:

“Our records indicate that this doctor has a contract with Anthem Blue Cross to treat our Covered CA members, and we will reach out to him to determine what the issue is.”

The doctor apparently was on the plan … emphasis on the past tense. The providers in question decided not to provide service under the reduced reimbursement rates that Anthem’s ObamaCare-compliant plan delivers. That’s his choice; doctors don’t have to accept insurance plans, after all, especially if the reimbursement doesn’t cover his or her costs to provide services. That, however, leaves Covered California consumers asking this question:

“What are we left with as far as being Covered California subscribers?” Cadman asked. “The bottom of the barrel?”

When payments get cut to bottom-of-barrel rates, what do consumers expect to happen?

In the San Francisco area, they’re discovering that the doctors that will accept them work in areas they’d rather not visit:

California’s health care exchange promised potential customers they would have enough physicians to choose from. But some new enrollees, including an Alameda County woman, are discovering that their doctor choices are extremely limited.

Julia Turner is surprised that she even has to search for a doctor. When she signed up for a policy through Covered California late last year, her long-time physician was listed as participating in her Blue Shield plan. It turned out; however, that he is not accepting patients with her Blue Shield policy, purchased on the Covered California exchange.

When Turner called around to find someone else to treat her, she got more frustration. “The only doctors accepting new patients are urgent care clinics,” Turner told KPIX 5 ConsumerWatch.

None of the doctors are located in the city in which she lives. Instead, Turner said, “They are in areas of East Oakland that have a lot of violence.”

Only one doctor on the Blue Shield list for Turner’s plan in her area was both board-certified and accepting new adult patients … out of 41 listed. KPIX got Blue Shield to add her existing doctor into the network, but Turner isn’t happy with the outcome:

“This is not what we were promised. I see those (Covered California) commercials now and I want to scream,” Turner said.

Yes. You were promised a free lunch, and expected that to be realistic. The laws of supply and demand, and cost and pricing, do not get wished away or legislated out of existence.


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Which most doctors will also not accept. Not unless the government is going to start creating government doctors. There will always, ALWAYS be plenty of patients who will pay cash. The best doctors will fill their patient rosters with these people as much a possible. People who can’t pay cash will get the Oakland treatment.

HotAirian on February 20, 2014 at 4:01 PM

A few months ago my daughter tried to get an appointment with the doctor she’s had for over 10 years. Because the doctor no longer accepted the insurance she’s had for 10 years she told them she would pay with cash.

She was told that due to Obamacare regulations, they were no longer permitted to accept cash payments.

Flora Duh on February 20, 2014 at 4:11 PM

Next stop ? Legislation to force doctors into slave labor.

jawkneemusic on February 20, 2014 at 3:38 PM

We keep hearing that that worked for Cuba.

KW64 on February 20, 2014 at 4:12 PM

HotAirian on February 20, 2014 at 4:10 PM

If you care to attempt to refute the facts cited, enjoy.

Constantine on February 20, 2014 at 4:12 PM

You think you’re kidding? This will be Russia with med school ‘grads’ trading the ‘education’ cost for a 10 year indenture to work in the Volgograd ghetto.
Lanceman on February 20, 2014 at 4:03 PM

And how many of those will be affirmative action appointments who will be passed through and graduated regardless of actual knowledge and skills absorbed? Ya thems gonna be some mighty fine doctors coming out those gubmint run med skooooos.
can’t wait for that first visit with the doctor – “I’s is smart, I got me a treee-ohhh, now you just lay back while I be surginizin yo brain…”

dentarthurdent on February 20, 2014 at 4:12 PM

But….she has insurance, subsidized and almost free. Wasn’t that the intent? Who said you automatically got a doctor with it?

If you didn’t have a doctor you can’t have a doctor!

hip shot on February 20, 2014 at 4:13 PM

CBS’s broadcast license is about to be cancelled…

PatriotRider on February 20, 2014 at 3:45 PM

When the FCC takes over all we will read and hear are good little story’s.

docflash on February 20, 2014 at 4:13 PM

The old saying; You get what you pay for, is on par with, You get what you vote for! Embrace the Suckage Fools!!!!

D-fusit on February 20, 2014 at 4:13 PM

Good post, PatriotRider!
Don’t you wish we could have been a fly on the wall when turncoat Roberts did his nasty deed.
Why?
Getting in touch with his liberal side?
The Dems had something on him?
Bribed?
Not only did he side with Obama, but his activist side rewrote the legislation to make it work.
He let the states off the hook with the Medicaid mandate, but not us.
Same with Obama, he let the businesses off the hook with their mandate, but not us.
Something fishy we’ll never know.
& to think he could have spared us, the little people, of so much grief with 1 stroke of the pen.
Why should he? When there’s so much gold to be had.
His name will live in infamy.

Belle on February 20, 2014 at 4:13 PM

But all the people complaining very likely voted twice for Obama. So these stories make me laugh at the fools. Yet, they would vote to re-elect him tomorrow. So tell me why we should feel sorry for people who worship Communist Democrats?

BillCarson on February 20, 2014 at 3:45 PM

We shouldn’t and I don’t.

We now have crap insurance we cant afford (State of Geoegia) and I blame and hold responsible each and every one of these people, personally and individually, and always will. Their being sadly stupid no longer works for me as an excuse for them. At all.

It’s a wonder I can still talk to my liberal friends.

Alana on February 20, 2014 at 4:14 PM

She was told that due to Obamacare regulations, they were no longer permitted to accept cash payments.

Flora Duh on February 20, 2014 at 4:11 PM

To my knowledge, that is not true. (What the office told her, not what she said) It may be that they don’t want to go to the trouble. You have to be very careful if you are not fully a cash office–especially if you take medicare–medicare will accuse you of FRAUD if you charge someone less than a medicare patient. Therefore most offices that do take cash peg the discount to a low level medicare visit–so they don’t get in trouble. Some offices think it’s just to big a hassle and risk.
The offices that are pure cash only or conceirge are not concerned about that issue.

Doc Holliday on February 20, 2014 at 4:16 PM

If only someone had told us this would happen …

Lance Corvette on February 20, 2014 at 4:17 PM

She was told that due to Obamacare regulations, they were no longer permitted to accept cash payments.

Flora Duh on February 20, 2014 at 4:11 PM

Wow, just wow.

antipc on February 20, 2014 at 4:17 PM

Lanceman on February 20, 2014 at 4:03 PM

And how many of those will be affirmative action appointments who will be passed through and graduated regardless of actual knowledge and skills absorbed? Ya thems gonna be some mighty fine doctors coming out those gubmint run med skooooos.
can’t wait for that first visit with the doctor – “I’s is smart, I got me a treee-ohhh, now you just lay back while I be surginizin yo brain…”

dentarthurdent on February 20, 2014 at 4:12 PM

Again. There’s no joke here. Once government decides mandates what is/isn’t malpractice.

Lanceman on February 20, 2014 at 4:18 PM

We obviously need Obamacare doctors to treat Obamacare patients. They could wear the Obama logo on their lab coats instead of a swastika.

KF Peters on February 20, 2014 at 4:19 PM

She was told that due to Obamacare regulations, they were no longer permitted to accept cash payments.

Flora Duh on February 20, 2014 at 4:11 PM

That’s odd. I have surgey scheduled next Wednesday. Since the cost was less than my new ObamaFAIL deductible I was able to negotiate the operation with my surgeon FOR CASH ONLY.

HotAirian on February 20, 2014 at 4:20 PM

“What are we left with as far as being Covered California subscribers?” Cadman asked. “The bottom of the barrel?”

Well if you liberal morons weren’t so askeered of guns you could try the John Q Public approach.

antipc on February 20, 2014 at 4:20 PM

If you care to attempt to refute the facts cited, enjoy.

Constantine on February 20, 2014 at 4:12 PM

I just did.

HotAirian on February 20, 2014 at 4:22 PM

Again. There’s no joke here. Once government decides mandates what is/isn’t malpractice.

Lanceman on February 20, 2014 at 4:18 PM

Anything to do 0scare has to be dark humor – no way around that.
We have to laugh, cuz otherwise…..

dentarthurdent on February 20, 2014 at 4:22 PM

She was told that due to Obamacare regulations, they were no longer permitted to accept cash payments.

Flora Duh on February 20, 2014 at 4:11 PM

That’s odd. I have surgey scheduled next Wednesday. Since the cost was less than my new ObamaFAIL deductible I was able to negotiate the operation with my surgeon FOR CASH ONLY.

HotAirian on February 20, 2014 at 4:20 PM

See my post at 4:15

Doc Holliday on February 20, 2014 at 4:23 PM

The Dems had something on him?
Bribed?

Belle on February 20, 2014 at 4:13 PM

Blackmailed somehow. His kids or someone illegally adopted some foreign children.

But here. Try this:

“Give me a break! This is the biggest fairytale of all time!”
“A couple of years ago, this guy’d be gettin’ us coffee!”
“They played the race card on me! And we now know they intended to do it all along!”

Fast-forward to 2012.

“We need to keep this country moving forward and the only way to do it is to re-elect Barack Obama!”

WHO said all that?

Lanceman on February 20, 2014 at 4:24 PM

I would call this schadenfreude, if it weren’t for the impending employer mandate, after which I’ll probably be in the same boat as these poor slobs in California. I would hope that the employer mandate gets postponed forever, but then Obummer will bail out the insurance companies & that will hit me in my taxpaying pocketbook, too. I can’t win.

KS Rex on February 20, 2014 at 4:30 PM

You linked MSNBC as a “news” source? Why? Even the President of the network admits they are a political cheerleading outfit.

“We’re not the place for that [news],” said Phil Griffin, the channel’s president, in reference to covering breaking events as CNN does. “Our brand is not that.”

HotAirian on February 20, 2014 at 4:10 PM

He’s like my idiot lib brother – just ignore him.

Ward Cleaver on February 20, 2014 at 4:34 PM

Looks like only backsides are being covered.

Annar on February 20, 2014 at 3:54 PM

thread winner!

Sachiko on February 20, 2014 at 4:34 PM

So a person invests hours of study and toil to get his degree in medicine. Spends thousands of dollars getting that degree. Goes through a grueling residency. Then just supposed to take essentially becoming an employee of the Federal government? Why because a bunch of slimy, snake oil salesmen get elected by a bunch of morons and pass a law or tax in an underhanded way that tries to force them to take patients. From a program that doesn’t work where they might get paid pennies on the dollar so they opt out? Who could have seen that coming? Oh yeah, we did. We warned you over and over. Cruz did and he was ridiculed. The Tea Party did and was mocked. Since this woman “eagerly” signed up for Ocare its safe to assume she liked it and since shes in California she probably voted for Obama…both elections. I find myself not giving two cents about her inability to get a doctor to see her. Embrace the suck honey.

neyney on February 20, 2014 at 4:37 PM

Own it Democrats!

Nice job there, Barry.

GoodAg77 on February 20, 2014 at 4:41 PM

Constantine, we need your help on something, please.
 

“So that’s why the individual mandate’s important,” Obama explained in a speech on Aug. 15, 2011.
 
“Because the basic theory is, look, everybody here at some point or another is going to need medical care, and you can’t be a free-rider on everybody else,” said Obama. “You can’t not have health insurance, then go to the emergency room, and each of us, who’ve done the responsible thing and have health insurance, suddenly we now have to pay the premiums for you. That’s not fair. So, if you can afford it, you should get health insurance just like you get car insurance.”
 
http://abcnews.go.com/m/blogEntry?id=14952502&sid=77&cid=77

 
From healthcare dot gov:
 

The fee increases every year. In 2015 it’s 2% of income or $325 per person. In 2016 and later years it’s 2.5% of income or $695 per person. After that it is adjusted for inflation.
 
https://www.healthcare.gov/what-if-someone-doesnt-have-health-coverage-in-2014/

 
Median household income per census dot gov is $53K, and 2.5% of that equals $1325 (thirteen hundred and twenty five dollars).
 
$1325 won’t cover even minor medical procedures, but hospitals will still be required by law to provide care regardless of insurance coverage or ability to pay.
 
Can you explain how Obamacare does anything to change the free rider problem?
 
Give us specifics, please. Thanks in advance.

rogerb on February 20, 2014 at 4:44 PM

We need a sundial in here! Stat!

Lanceman on February 20, 2014 at 4:47 PM

So a person invests hours of study and toil to get his degree in medicine. Spends thousands of dollars getting that degree. Goes through a grueling residency. Then just supposed to take essentially becoming an employee of the Federal government?
neyney on February 20, 2014 at 4:37 PM

Actually – some will, not necessarily the best, and definitely not all. But some, perhaps even many will, especially if the government offers ROTC type scholarships for people to go into medicine – which is something they actually already do.
I had a roommate in college (USAFA) who double-majored in biology and chemistry and got a DoD scholarship to go straight to med school. last time I saw him, around our 15 or 20 year reunion, he was a full bird Colonel doctor (with extra incentive pay).
Also, the government creates special labor categories for doctors, lawyers, and several other specialty type career fields.
Doctors in DoD, and likely other agencies like the HHS / CDC are not on the regular civil service pay scale.
I’m not saying this is good for the entire country and our entire healthcare industry (definitely NOT), just that this is something that already happens on a limited scale.

dentarthurdent on February 20, 2014 at 4:52 PM

… eagerly signed up …

LOL. Suck it, witch.

ANYONE who helps obama destroy America is an enemy of OUR country and deserves to suffer.

Pork-Chop on February 20, 2014 at 4:54 PM

If you care to attempt to refute the facts cited, enjoy.

Constantine on February 20, 2014 at 4:12 PM

You’re appealing to facts? While citing a woman who claimed that Wisconsin didn’t have a budget deficit, and that W had never done an interview with the New York Times?

The Schaef on February 20, 2014 at 4:56 PM

And she’d still vote for him because he wants to help people and save the planet.

RobertMN on February 20, 2014 at 4:59 PM

Bend over and grab dem ankles, baby. Embrace the suck.

307wolverine on February 20, 2014 at 5:01 PM

Good one, Robert!
Ha, & she’d still vote for him because of free contraceptives for all the daughters, or something like that.

Belle on February 20, 2014 at 5:03 PM

What’s the republican plan?

liberalrules on February 20, 2014 at 5:08 PM

Stalin had a similar problem with farmers.

Left Coast Right Mind on February 20, 2014 at 5:08 PM

But, but, war on women… if you like your doctor… let me be clear… job locked… income inequality… to find out what is in it.

Knives78 on February 20, 2014 at 5:11 PM

rogerb on February 20, 2014 at 4:44 PM

This is the second thread in which you’ve asked for information about this “free rider” issue, diverting from the topic. Obviously you have access to a computer; do you not have the ability to research this yourself?

Constantine on February 20, 2014 at 5:11 PM

What’s the republican plan?

liberalrules on February 20, 2014 at 5:08 PM

You’ve been told ad nauseum. You didn’t listen then, doubtful you’ll listen now.

Lanceman on February 20, 2014 at 5:12 PM

What’s the republican plan?

liberalrules on February 20, 2014 at 5:08 PM

Pro-choice healthcare.

antipc on February 20, 2014 at 5:15 PM

Can you explain how Obamacare does anything to change the free rider problem?
 
Give us specifics, please. Thanks in advance.
 
rogerb on February 20, 2014 at 4:44 PM

 
This is the second thread in which you’ve asked for information about this “free rider” issue, diverting from the topic. Obviously you have access to a computer; do you not have the ability to research this yourself?
 
Constantine on February 20, 2014 at 5:11 PM

 
That’s why I’m asking for a supporter’s help. The information is not out there. One would almost be led to believe Obamacare doesn’t address it at all.
 
Do you have any information counter to that, or do you agree?

rogerb on February 20, 2014 at 5:15 PM

What’s the republican plan?

1. For people to die and die quickly.
2. Take away contraception.
3. Throw grandma off the cliff.
4. Old ideas… You know like high standards of living.
5. Did I mention people dying?

Knives78 on February 20, 2014 at 5:16 PM

You’ve been told ad nauseum. You didn’t listen then, doubtful you’ll listen now.

Lanceman on February 20, 2014 at 5:12 PM

Republican party once upon a time had control of both houses and did nothing.

liberalrules on February 20, 2014 at 5:17 PM

That’s his choice; doctors don’t have to accept insurance plans, after all, especially if the reimbursement doesn’t cover his or her costs to provide services.

Not yet they don’t. Obama still has a few years left in office…..

bettercallputin on February 20, 2014 at 5:17 PM

When my California doctor refuses to see me, I simply call 9-1-1.

I tell the dispatcher who answers that I want 9-1-1 to come to my doctor’s office and make him see me.

Oh, sure, they usually give me some line about that’s not what 9-1-1 is for and that if I keep calling they’ll arrest me, but, as a lifelong progressive, I know none of that’s true.

9-1-1 is there for exactly this kind of problem. Or for when your wife’s zipper gets stuck. Or if she refuses to hook you up with her sisters in the event your own zipper is unstuck.

So, my advice to Katherine Cadman, the Dunns, and Julia Turner (“Julia” — so appropriately named), my advice to them is to pick up that phone and dial 9-1-1 right now.

And don’t take no for an answer. Only by demanding 9-1-1′s intervention against uncooperative doctors can we ever hope to go forward.

(The above is offered only as political satire, so nobody actually call 9-1-1 for anything this patently idiotic.)

FlameWarrior on February 20, 2014 at 5:18 PM

I thought the Republican plan was to sleep across the isle, pass amnesty, continually raise the debt ceiling, keep the middle east wars going, praise the NSA spying, never question the King on his abuse of power, raise taxes, but call them fees & have photo ops with Pelosi, Schumer & Reid.
This is funny; here in SC we’re getting alot of commercials from Ms Lindsey, saying what a great conservative he is.

Belle on February 20, 2014 at 5:18 PM

Republican party once upon a time had control of both houses and did nothing.

liberalrules on February 20, 2014 at 5:17 PM

You should understand, Chioma. Just like when they tried to do something about Fannie & Freddie, they called then racist. And of course they never had super-majorities.

Lanceman on February 20, 2014 at 5:19 PM

Republican party once upon a time had control of both houses and did nothing.

liberalrules on February 20, 2014 at 5:17 PM

and yet deductibles and co-pays were reasonable, premiums were lower and more people were insured. Care to explain why that is?

Lost in Jersey on February 20, 2014 at 5:20 PM

liberalrules: respectfully disagree. When the republicrats had both houses, they did plenty! They spent like drunken sailors.

Belle on February 20, 2014 at 5:21 PM

Come on, say it in unison: HEALTHCARE FOR EVERYONE!!!!!

Sniff.

Axeman on February 20, 2014 at 5:22 PM

What’s the republican plan?

liberalrules on February 20, 2014 at 5:08 PM

Why did or do republicans need a plan? We had a system with which 85% of American were satisfied. Should have left it aone.

ncc770 on February 20, 2014 at 5:23 PM

$1325 won’t cover even minor medical procedures, but hospitals will still be required by law to provide care regardless of insurance coverage or ability to pay.

Can you explain how Obamacare does anything to change the free rider problem?

Give us specifics, please. Thanks in advance.

rogerb on February 20, 2014 at 4:44 PM

Based solely on the information provided by you, Obamacare changes the free rider problem by asking the uninsured to pay $1,325 instead of nothing. Does that penalty go toward covering unreimbursed hospital costs? I hope so.

Constantine on February 20, 2014 at 5:23 PM

Why did or do republicans need a plan? We had a system with which 85% of American were satisfied. Should have left it aone.

ncc770 on February 20, 2014 at 5:23 PM

I’m not even sure seasoned politicians will sell the idea that the status quo was good.

Terrible idea.

FAIL

liberalrules on February 20, 2014 at 5:25 PM

What’s the republican plan?

liberalrules on February 20, 2014 at 5:08 PM

For one thing, republicans were left out of the process when this terrible law was being past or should I say shoved through…even when most of the American public disapproved of it. And now you ask what is their plan. Then answer me this…why did your d’rats pass a law that they didn’t read…looks to me like they didn’t have a plan either, they were just following their marching orders from the one. You need to open your eyes and mind and understand what is going on and not repeat their talking points and drinking their kool-aid.

One_If_By_Land on February 20, 2014 at 5:27 PM

liberalrules on February 20, 2014 at 5:17 PM

and yet deductibles and co-pays were reasonable, premiums were lower and more people were insured. Care to explain why that is?

Lost in Jersey on February 20, 2014 at 5:20 PM

What a coincidence, Lost. Chioma here lives in Jersey as well.

Lanceman on February 20, 2014 at 5:27 PM

You won is now cali

jake49 on February 20, 2014 at 5:28 PM

Why does there always need to be a government plan?

That’s the problem with lefties, they need government involvement in everything.

Bishop on February 20, 2014 at 5:29 PM

That’s his choice; doctors don’t have to accept insurance plans

Not yet, but I’m sure dems would love another mandate forcing doctors to accept any patient with Obamacare insurance.

Wigglesworth on February 20, 2014 at 5:29 PM

I’m not even sure seasoned politicians will sell the idea that the status quo was good.

Terrible idea.

FAIL

Yeah we you are right we should stick with “progress” that is obamacare which is worst.

Thats ok I know you and people like you will rectify everything once you elect Hillary in 2016.

Knives78 on February 20, 2014 at 5:29 PM

I’m not even sure seasoned politicians will sell the idea that the status quo was good.

liberalrules on February 20, 2014 at 5:25 PM

Because as we all know, politicians are the foremost authority on the healthcare and health insurance industries.

Lost in Jersey on February 20, 2014 at 5:29 PM

liberalrules on February 20, 2014 at 5:17 PM

And I see you’ve gotten a little better at grammar and spelling, Chioma. Keep da faif, dawg. Cuz God don’t make no junk.

Lanceman on February 20, 2014 at 5:29 PM

Did she vote for the big 0?
Did she vote for the Dems who control her part of Kalifornia?
If yes – suck it up moron – you asked for it.

dentarthurdent on February 20, 2014 at 3:38 PM

This sooo much.

buckichick1 on February 20, 2014 at 5:30 PM

Voted for Barack Obama? Now F’ed?

Schadenfreude, baby. Pure schadenfreude.

chuckh on February 20, 2014 at 5:32 PM

What a coincidence, Lost. Chioma here lives in Jersey as well.

Lanceman on February 20, 2014 at 5:27 PM

No shortage of his kind in Jersey. It’s one of the main reasons I’m glad I left.

Lost in Jersey on February 20, 2014 at 5:33 PM

What’s the republican plan?

liberalrules on February 20, 2014 at 5:08 PM

To not totally screw up health care.

I can get behind that!

Axeman on February 20, 2014 at 5:35 PM

No shortage of his her kind in Jersey. It’s one of the main reasons I’m glad I left.

Lost in Jersey on February 20, 2014 at 5:33 PM

She’s about as smart as a bag of hammers. She knows talking points she’s previously heard, nothing more.

Lanceman on February 20, 2014 at 5:35 PM

That’s because the intent of the law was to destroy the private health care system.

Now it’s true that the existing system needs to be destroyed, and every single person involved in the outrageous acts of the last 30 years, which I allege ought to be felonies under The Sherman and Clayton Acts (and yes, I freely acknowledge that the industry “lobbied”, otherwise knowing as bribed, Congress into exempting them), should be sitting in pound-you-in-the-ass Federal Prison and the entirety of their personal and corporate fortunes should be forfeit as proceeds of a felonious criminal scheme.

However, that is not the land we live in legislatively today.

Back in 2009 I made the bald prediction that what ACA was going to do (after reading the entire bill, which most people did not) was destroy what was left of private health care in the United States. It could do nothing other than that because it protected, in statute, the outrageous asset-stripping schemes that our health system had embodied, it protected acts that in virtually any other line of business would be felonies and it ensconced in statute, backed by government force, the demand that you personally fund that crap to and in fact beyond the limit of your ability to pay.

It thus had to either destroy the health care industry, the economy or both.

Well, it’s going to be both unless it’s stopped folks.

We, the people, must demand that it be stopped, but not just stopped alone, because the system that it was layered on top of was already destined to destroy this nation economically.

Instead, we must demand full application of The Sherman and Clayton Acts upon all facets of the health care system, including all aspects that cross national boundaries.

In other words if you charge someone $30,000 a dose for a drug you bought for $100 a couple hundred miles away, and manage to extract that because it’s a felony for an ordinary person to go buy and bring back for resale said $100 drug, you go to pound-you-in-the-ass federal prison and every nickel you own in assets, corporately and personally, is forfeit.

That stops this crap immediately and at the same time drops the cost of medical care in this country by up to 80% overnight. It ends all Federal and State budget problems overnight. It eliminates the need for expensive “health insurance”, reducing the need for everyone to mere catastrophic coverage which costs a few hundred dollars a year instead of thousands, as care for even really nasty and chronic conditions can be bought for cash.

And for those who are truly destitute, it makes true charity care not only an option but one that will bear fruit and result in them receiving a reasonable amount of care paid for by voluntary acts of those doing the giving.

We solve this or we’re economically destroyed as a nation folks.

It’s that simple.

Murphy9 on February 20, 2014 at 5:36 PM

I’m not even sure seasoned politicians will sell the idea that the status quo was good.
Terrible idea.
FAIL

liberalrules on February 20, 2014 at 5:25 PM

“Seasoned politicians” don’t give a dam about what’s best – only what enhances their own job security.
The “status quo” that we had was better than this clusterfark, so just repealing 0scare and going back to what we used to have would be a significant improvement.
Sometimes, when you figure out you made a wrong turn, the best option is to go back to where you started – and start over.
You FAIL.

dentarthurdent on February 20, 2014 at 5:37 PM

Man, you guys just love your Obamacare horror stories!

It remains to be seen whether this one will turn out like all the others.

Rachel Maddow on February 20, 2014 at 3:57 PM

Yeah, linking to MS-LSD will help your case!

F-

Del Dolemonte on February 20, 2014 at 5:39 PM

I guess they thought people would be happy to have an insurance card in their wallet and would never actually try to use the phony Obamascam insurance.

forest on February 20, 2014 at 5:40 PM

HotAirian on February 20, 2014 at 4:10 PM

If you care to attempt to refute my facts cited, enjoy.

Rachel Maddow on February 20, 2014 at 4:12 PM

Fixed.

Credible facts, please.

F-

Del Dolemonte on February 20, 2014 at 5:41 PM

Let’s do some math.

My families current deductible $2500
Obama care deductible $6000 just for me. When we cannot afford our employer plan, come summer when rates go up, I will likely have to drop.

Since I will not submit to Obamacare I will not be covered, so penalty for me. If I get sick I become a free rider right.

Get to work lib’s.

MontanaMmmm on February 20, 2014 at 5:42 PM

$1325 won’t cover even minor medical procedures, but hospitals will still be required by law to provide care regardless of insurance coverage or ability to pay.
 
Can you explain how Obamacare does anything to change the free rider problem?
 
Give us specifics, please. Thanks in advance.
 
rogerb on February 20, 2014 at 4:44 PM

 
Based solely on the information provided by you, Obamacare changes the free rider problem by asking the uninsured to pay $1,325 instead of nothing. Does that penalty go toward covering unreimbursed hospital costs? I hope so.
 
Constantine on February 20, 2014 at 5:23 PM

 
Based solely?
 
You hope so?
 
I figured you’d only support it after researching and learning about the pros and cons, so I assumed you’d know what you were talking about. That’s what most of us did, and that’s why I asked you. I assumed you, like us, were informed about the legislation you support or oppose.
 
Thanks for trying, I guess.
 
Do you know of anyone who does know anything about the law other than the “yay free stuff!” aspect?

rogerb on February 20, 2014 at 5:43 PM

What’s the republican plan?

liberalrules on February 20, 2014 at 5:08 PM

What’s your IQ? After all, O’bama lost the college graduate vote in 2012, while increasing his already-record share of the high school dropout vote to 80%.

Del Dolemonte on February 20, 2014 at 5:43 PM

(The above is offered only as political satire, so nobody actually call 9-1-1 for anything this patently idiotic.)

FlameWarrior on February 20, 2014 at 5:18 PM

You should have them stop off at a Mickey D’s and pick you up a box of Chicken McNuggets on the way to your doctor’s office.

**The above is offered as a true actual suggestion to anyone actually stupid enough to think it’s a good idea. So if you’re an Obama voter go for it. I’m sure they’ll be happy to hear from you**

Oldnuke on February 20, 2014 at 5:44 PM

rogerb on February 20, 2014 at 4:44 PM

This is the second thread in which you’ve asked for information about this “free rider” issue, diverting from the topic. Obviously you have access to a computer; do you not have the ability to research this yourself?

Rachel Maddow on February 20, 2014 at 5:11 PM

Translated: “I’m too lazy to prove my claims with credible documentation.”

A+

Del Dolemonte on February 20, 2014 at 5:45 PM

This can’t be happening. It’s all conservative lies. It must be. Before he bravely ran away, libfree assured us that there were no problems at all with Obamacare, and that the Dems would run and win on it in November!

A liberal wouldn’t lie to me, would he?

PetecminMd on February 20, 2014 at 5:46 PM

What’s your IQ? After all, O’bama lost the college graduate vote in 2012, while increasing his already-record share of the high school dropout vote to 80%.

Del Dolemonte on February 20, 2014 at 5:43 PM

That’s liberal4life, Del. Go google her twitter feed.

Lanceman on February 20, 2014 at 5:46 PM

Republican party once upon a time had control of both houses and did nothing.

liberalrules on February 20, 2014 at 5:17 PM

Democrat Senate has not passed a budget in 5 years.

You really need a shovel for each hand.

Del Dolemonte on February 20, 2014 at 5:46 PM

I’m not even sure seasoned politicians will sell the idea that the status quo was good.

Terrible idea.

FAIL

liberalrules on February 20, 2014 at 5:25 PM

If you think more government is the solution it’s obvious that you don’t understand the problem.

Oldnuke on February 20, 2014 at 5:49 PM

Translated: “I’m too lazy to prove my claims with credible documentation.”
 
Del Dolemonte on February 20, 2014 at 5:45 PM

 
It’s worse, honestly. It’s religion. It’s absolutely no different from believing a man in the sky is going to take care of you.
 

Does that penalty go toward covering unreimbursed hospital costs? I hope so.
 
Constantine on February 20, 2014 at 5:23 PM

 
That’s not based on data or facts. That’s 100% faith.

rogerb on February 20, 2014 at 5:52 PM

*clears throat*

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOL
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL
HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEH
LMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO

*clears throat*

Oh, I only wish we could use larger fonts.

Midas on February 20, 2014 at 5:52 PM

Just you watch, Barbara Boxer (G &Gov moonbeam) will introduce a law making it illegal to treat people holding the covered California plan.

jake49 on February 20, 2014 at 5:52 PM

FAIL

liberalrules on February 20, 2014 at 5:25 PM

I see. So, SUCCESS is defined as kicking millions of people off their existing plans that had ready access to doctors and medications.

Water flows uphill in your world, doesn’t it?

Left Coast Right Mind on February 20, 2014 at 5:57 PM

Thanks for erasing my reply in process yet again, Hot Air.

Maybe I’ll look up all that data that I had ready to post the next time I get in front of a computer.

Maybe.

The Schaef on February 20, 2014 at 6:00 PM

Water flows uphill in your world, doesn’t it?
 
Left Coast Right Mind on February 20, 2014 at 5:57 PM

 
Asking science questions isn’t fair.

rogerb on February 20, 2014 at 6:00 PM

I figured you’d only support it after researching and learning about the pros and cons, so I assumed you’d know what you were talking about. That’s what most of us did, and that’s why I asked you. I assumed you, like us, were informed about the legislation you support or oppose.

Thanks for trying, I guess.

Do you know of anyone who does know anything about the law other than the “yay free stuff!” aspect?

rogerb on February 20, 2014 at 5:43 PM

The pros: no lifetime caps, not being dropped or denied coverage for pre-existing conditions, premiums for me and my family going down. These are huge, and this is why I support it. The cons I’ve encountered are mostly trumped-up horror stories by conservatives.

I’ve provided another pro argument using information you put out there. Still not happy? You’re not asking questions. You’re passive/aggressively making statements under the guise of (off-topic) inquiries. You don’t like the law, I get it. No need to be obtuse unless you don’t feel confident in stating your position.

Constantine on February 20, 2014 at 6:01 PM

Dear God,

Why are liberals so utterly ignorant and illiterate? Could they not have even two brain cells to rub together in an attempt to think logically and intelligently? Were they sent as a test – or perhaps a punishment – for the rest of us?

It is certainly a question I hope to be able to ask in person someday. A great mystery of the universe, without a doubt.

Midas on February 20, 2014 at 6:01 PM

rogerb on February 20, 2014 at 6:00 PM

Not if it’s settled through consensus.

Left Coast Right Mind on February 20, 2014 at 6:03 PM

Here is the deal at least in Northern California as I have seen it. Anthem Blue Cross sent out letters advising Physicians that they would be added to their new Covered California plans unless they sent a written notification opting out. The letter was innocuous and looked like more junk mail, not the usual registered letter we get. So a lot of physicians may be listed as contracted and not know it. Additionally I am being told now that the only way out of that network plan is to drop out of contract with all of the Blue Cross plans, not just the Covered CA plans. Those of us that sent the letter in a year ago are allowed to not be contracted with Covered CA , but still be contracted with the Blues on the rest of their products. The Covered CA plan reimburses at 85% of Medicare, which is to say that it is 15% less than Medicare. So if you opted out you will not be listed as a Covered CA provider for Blue Cross. If you didn’t opt out you will be listed as a contracted provider, but when patients call, more than likely, you will not be scheduling to see them since the reimbursement is so low, but will leave your name on the list of contracted providers so you can keep seeing the other Blue Cross patients that pay better. So either way these people that are now paying large premiums will have only virtual coverage. At this point you are better off, saving the premium dollars in a savings account and paying cash for your healthcare needs. Oh and by the way the contracted rates at the facilities that I have dealt with are way higher than the cash rates, so after paying a premium, you can pay an inflated rate toward your large deductible and then somewhere down the line have your insurance kick in a payment.

DocasaurusRx on February 20, 2014 at 6:08 PM

Wish in these type interviews they would ask who they voted for President in 2012 and would they vote for him again.

Bet they are all Obama voters and, yes, they would vote for him again.

albill on February 20, 2014 at 6:12 PM

The pros: premiums for me and my family going down.

Constantine on February 20, 2014 at 6:01 PM

Did your premium actually go down or are the rest of us paying a large portion of it for you now?

Lost in Jersey on February 20, 2014 at 6:13 PM

There seems to be this blame the system, not the politicians who created the system theme in all of these.

albill on February 20, 2014 at 6:14 PM

The pros: premiums for me and my family going down.

Constantine on February 20, 2014 at 6:01 PM

How’s that new deductable?

antipc on February 20, 2014 at 6:22 PM

What’s the republican plan?

liberalrules on February 20, 2014 at 5:08 PM

Not to screw it up. Almost 90% were satisfied with their health insurance system the last time the R’s had the reigns.

Republican party once upon a time had control of both houses and did nothing.

liberalrules on February 20, 2014 at 5:17 PM

Your party once upon a time had control of both houses and did something. Screwed it up big time! You’re at the top of the class for most likely to drown on their way to starving.

Bmore on February 20, 2014 at 6:22 PM

Did your premium actually go down or are the rest of us paying a large portion of it for you now?

Lost in Jersey on February 20, 2014 at 6:13 PM

Do understand how insurance works? Everybody pays into a pool of money, and people who need the most care end up drawing back more than those who remain healthy. In the process, nobody is driven into poverty by medical costs. Some healthy people may feel like they’re being ripped off; others see it as a small price to pay for living in a compassionate society.

Constantine on February 20, 2014 at 6:23 PM

pay for living in a compassionate society.

Constantine on February 20, 2014 at 6:23 PM

Your compassion would have my family paying

9000 deductible instead of 2500. 35 percent copays instead of 15, 1200 a month instead of 300.

We simply cannot afford it unless you want us living on the streets…Oh wait, that’s all part of your redistribution right.

Take your compassion and shove it.

MontanaMmmm on February 20, 2014 at 6:32 PM

Do understand how insurance works?
Constantine on February 20, 2014 at 6:23 PM

Do YOU understand how insurance works?
There’s these things called deductibles and co-pays that you have to pay when you get actual healthcare services. In addition to the premiums you pay, that deductible and/or co-pay is your out of pocket expense that YOU pay up front before insurance coverage kicks in to pay for actual services rendered.

And Lost in Jersey’s question regarding your premiums is really about the subsidy. Did you get a government subsidy that made your actual premiums go down? If so, THAT piece of it is being paid by us taxpayers – in addition to our higher premiums and higher deductibles.

dentarthurdent on February 20, 2014 at 6:33 PM

pay for living in a compassionate society.
Constantine on February 20, 2014 at 6:23 PM

Take your compassion and shove it.
MontanaMmmm on February 20, 2014 at 6:32 PM

Ya, funny how libtards only have compassion for SOME people.
They’re more than willing to screw over other people.
O
bviously some pigs are more equal, and therefore more deserving of compassion than other pigs….

dentarthurdent on February 20, 2014 at 6:37 PM

In the process, nobody is driven into poverty by medical costs. Constantine on February 20, 2014 at 6:23 PM

But other people ARE being driven into poverty by the new mandated premiums and deductibles – or rather TAXES.
But that’s ok for someone with so much compassion, right?

dentarthurdent on February 20, 2014 at 6:39 PM

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