Video: Detroit home invasion doesn’t go as planned

posted at 4:01 pm on February 20, 2014 by Allahpundit

To cleanse the palate, via the IJR and Reason, a case study in why Detroit PD Chief James Craig wants the locals to own guns.

Then again, I suppose if we banned the Second Amendment, these young punks wouldn’t have had a gun in the first place. Right?


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BlaxPac on February 21, 2014 at 5:03 PM

My dad used to talk about his grandpa having a 10 gauge shotgun. My dad lived with the grandparents for awhile when he was a kid, up in central Maine – would have been 1930s – depression era.
He said whenever a deer or moose would wander into the yard, grandpa would stick that 10 ga “blunderbuss” out the kitchen window, and kablammm – and “we’re eatin’ meat this month…”

Dad said grandpa also once wanted to get a rat that was hanging around, so he sat out on the front porch with that 10 ga – AND a jug of his homemade raisin mash moonshine – by the time the rat showed up he was plastered enough that the 10 ga busted his glasses and face when he fired it – face bleeding, cussing up a storm – but they never saw the rat again….

dentarthurdent on February 21, 2014 at 5:19 PM

…with .410 I would load it with straight slugs to get the most with it.

BlaxPac on February 21, 2014 at 5:13 PM

I don’t know man.

With an auto loading .410 there are just so many options for a close quarters defensive weapon.

Look at the opposition. These ain’t experienced combat troops.

First two, buck, then maybe a dragons breath to put the fear of me in any ambulatory survivors. Then go with slugs to pick them off as they run away…if you feel the need to.

cozmo on February 21, 2014 at 5:22 PM

Now my next purchases is to get 2 rifles, one in .22LR…

BlaxPac on February 21, 2014 at 5:25 PM

dentarthurdent on February 21, 2014 at 5:19 PM

LOL, i always wanted a .10 Gauge Roadblocker, but that was more a “vanity” purchase than anything else.

Fired one a LONG time ago: absolutely a BEAST to light off…fun, especially with 3″ Magnum loads (you should SEE what cinder blocks look like afterwards). But the cost for those damn things, even if i was reloading was….pricey.

BlaxPac on February 21, 2014 at 5:31 PM

BlaxPac on February 21, 2014 at 5:13 PM
cozmo on February 21, 2014 at 5:22 PM

I’ve got my Mossberg 12 ga loaded (magazine and sling) with alternating #6 and 00 buck – first up is the $6 – which should not penetrate drywall – but that’s the round that gets racked first – for the warning sound that they had better get the he11 out of my house. If the racking sound doesn’t get them running, they get to feel the #6 followed with 00 buck.

dentarthurdent on February 21, 2014 at 5:37 PM

I don’t know man.

With an auto loading .410 there are just so many options for a close quarters defensive weapon.

Look at the opposition. These ain’t experienced combat troops.

True, but the effective range for .410 be it slugs or shot (OOO to #4) isn’t any better than say a 12 or 20…or most decent pistol rounds…short of using the 9mm.

First two, buck, then maybe a dragons breath to put the fear of me in any ambulatory survivors. Then go with slugs to pick them off as they run away…if you feel the need to.

cozmo on February 21, 2014 at 5:22 PM

LOL, if they’re ambulatory, then you may want to consider more range time. :o)

BlaxPac on February 21, 2014 at 5:42 PM

Now my next purchases is to get 2 rifles, one in .22LR…

BlaxPac on February 21, 2014 at 5:25 PM

Highly recommend the Ruger 10/22. I don’t think you’ll find another .22 rifle with more available options and accessories, and a dam good reputation.
I bought a purple wood laminate stock model for my wife – and she absolutely loves it. With the basic scope I added, she’s consistently right on target at 100 yards.
I have a Marlin – which I bought cuz it’s cheap and I had a Marlin bolt-action .22 in high school. I can hit the target very well at 100 yards with a basic scope, but the Marlin doesn’t have attachment holes in the top for a rail, like the Ruger has, just old fashioned clamp grooves, so the scope won’t stay put when I shoot; and the magazine is a bit tougher to get in and out than with the Ruger.
So I actually like my wife’s Ruger better.

dentarthurdent on February 21, 2014 at 5:45 PM

dentarthurdent on February 21, 2014 at 5:37 PM

LOL…Man after my own dark heart!

Don’t care WHAT language you speak, EVERYONE understand “Pump Action” speak.

BlaxPac on February 21, 2014 at 5:45 PM

Don’t care WHAT language you speak, EVERYONE understand “Pump Action” speak.

BlaxPac on February 21, 2014 at 5:45 PM

You betcha!!!
Even the dumbest criminal destined to win a Darwin Award likely knows what that sound is – and means.

dentarthurdent on February 21, 2014 at 5:49 PM

dentarthurdent on February 21, 2014 at 5:45 PM

Yeah, it’s gonna be a Ruger 10/22; including all the accessories & goodies that Santa will be help me get, it’s a GREAT investment cost-wise, not to mention FUN as hell to shoot.

My other rifle selection may also either a Ruger Mini-14/30 or a non-Chinese made SKS. Haven’t decided until i add up costs for the accessorize kits.

BlaxPac on February 21, 2014 at 5:57 PM

BlaxPac on February 21, 2014 at 5:57 PM

Depending on what state you’re in, the Mini-14/30 could be a good choice because it’s the same caliber, and really not that much different from those evil “assault rifles” – but doesn’t have all the scary assault rifle features to make it “illegal”. And Ruger is a good American company, makes a good product, and they aren’t based in an anti-gun state.

My wife has gone almost total Ruger – 10/22, LCP, and Bearcat – she just seems to have fallen in love with the Ruger line.

dentarthurdent on February 21, 2014 at 6:04 PM

Depending on what state you’re in, the Mini-14/30 could be a good choice because it’s the same caliber, and really not that much different from those evil “assault rifles” – but doesn’t have all the scary assault rifle features to make it “illegal”. And Ruger is a good American company, makes a good product, and they aren’t based in an anti-gun state.

My wife has gone almost total Ruger – 10/22, LCP, and Bearcat – she just seems to have fallen in love with the Ruger line.

dentarthurdent on February 21, 2014 at 6:04 PM

Well that’s the rub; I’m in the northeast, so you got those types that will catch the vapors if you’re toting a full-size battle rifle, but I wanted something with a battle rifle ready round.

The 7.62×39 isn’t a bad round either the ballistics can be qibbled over as compared to the 5.56, including costs per round.

I liked the Ruger line for the 14/30 because the cost for it plus the accessories isn’t as costly as say getting a AR15 clone….if costs Werner a factor I would go with a full weight battle rifle like a Galil
With a conversion kit to change the caliber, but man the costs….

Consider how popular the AK series is in the U.S., the SKS clones, like from YUGOSLAVIA and that it should be compatible with AK magazines, etc makes it a good alternate also.

BlaxPac on February 21, 2014 at 6:55 PM

I’m a petite woman w/ little hands, and I own a S&W .38 Sp and a Ruger 380 LCP.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 21, 2014 at 7:34 PM

I’m a petite woman w/ little hands, and I own a S&W .38 Sp and a Ruger 380 LCP.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 21, 2014 at 7:34 PM

Both good choices, ALT, the .380 as a “purse” weapon, especially formal wear is a good choice…in casual clothes the .38 is a all around steadfast round.

BlaxPac on February 21, 2014 at 7:50 PM

Uh, guys……the Night Hawk Custom? Anyone think it’s worth that much money?

ImmigrantsWife on February 21, 2014 at 9:45 PM

Uh, guys……the Night Hawk Custom? Anyone think it’s worth that much money?

ImmigrantsWife on February 21, 2014 at 9:45 PM

It truly is a “personal choice” decision, IW…gun choices can’t rely on just the price point, especially if you’re buying for personal defense.

We’re you willing to spend at least $650 or more for a gun alone? Because your ancillary costs will bring it up even further after all is said and done…

BlaxPac on February 21, 2014 at 10:08 PM

What do you consider your budget to be?

BlaxPac on February 21, 2014 at 10:52 PM

We’re S&W and Ruger pistol fans here too ALT. We also shoot them skeets and sporting clays. Beretta shotguns all around!

graywaiter on February 21, 2014 at 11:13 PM

Uh, guys……the Night Hawk Custom? Anyone think it’s worth that much money?

ImmigrantsWife on February 21, 2014 at 9:45 PM

Probably wouldn’t be any more accurate or reliable than a lot of pistols that are much cheaper.
But they sure look and feel nice.
If money’s no object…

justltl on February 21, 2014 at 11:38 PM

Great thread by the way.

justltl on February 21, 2014 at 11:39 PM

The gun threads on HA always get some good responses…!

BlaxPac on February 21, 2014 at 11:50 PM

My other rifle selection may also either a Ruger Mini-14/30 or a non-Chinese made SKS. Haven’t decided until i add up costs for the accessorize kits.

BlaxPac on February 21, 2014 at 5:57 PM

For the cost of the Mini-14/30 you could buy a VEPR in 7.62×39.

roy_batty on February 22, 2014 at 10:36 AM

In case anyone hasn’t heard, Sig is offering a buy-one-get-one-free deal with their 1911s (the free one is in .22) through the end of April.

Image: http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/sig-1911-deal.jpg

rogerb on February 21, 2014 at 1:47 PM

Thanks for posting that. I’ve been thinking about getting a Spartan; and that’s a good reason to buy sooner rather than later.

Solaratov on February 22, 2014 at 5:25 PM

For the cost of the Mini-14/30 you could buy a VEPR in 7.62×39.

roy_batty on February 22, 2014 at 10:36 AM

If you’re going to carry the weight of a VEPR, why not get it in 7.62X51 (.308win)?

Solaratov on February 22, 2014 at 5:27 PM

For the cost of the Mini-14/30 you could buy a VEPR in 7.62×39.

roy_batty on February 22, 2014 at 10:36 AM

If you’re going to carry the weight of a VEPR, why not get it in 7.62X51 (.308win)?

Solaratov on February 22, 2014 at 5:27 PM

I haven’t really done a lot of research into the VEPR, from what I saw so far, not that bad, costs is a smidge high out the box, but I will keep it on my checklist!

My main point is I would like a full size heavy round like .308, but th AK class round is the next best fallback….like I wrote before, if costs wasn’t so much a factor I’d do a surplus Galil in .308, with a heavy barrel…

The other concern would cover the accessories like accepting a AK magazine and parts….true the Mini 14/30 doesn’t, but some tradeoffs I’m willing to do if the price is good.

BlaxPac on February 22, 2014 at 9:13 PM

It’s funny, I wish we (the right) could be as united about anything else as we are about our fondness for firearms.

V7_Sport on February 23, 2014 at 1:06 AM

If you’re going to carry the weight of a VEPR, why not get it in 7.62X51 (.308win)?

Solaratov on February 22, 2014 at 5:27 PM

Weight is not a bad thing on a rifle .30 cal or otherwise. Most definitely easier to control and this thread was about castle defense rather than bush humping.

The best caliber to have is one you can actually shoot and the .308 has high cost w/ low availability. I was thinking Russian, specifically 7.62×39. If you wanted .308 punch from the VEPR you could go right to the 7.62x54r but I think that might be unsuitable as a home defense round…

7.62×39 (1000 non-corrosive) ~$215 / in stock
7.62×39 (20 / $5.16 @ Walmart!)
7.62x54r (440 corrosive milsurp) ~$90 / in stock
7.62x54r (500 commercial) ~$275 / in stock
.308 (500 commercial) ~$325 / out of stock or delayed

(With the exception of the Walmart price the above info was taken from ammoseek.com.)

roy_batty on February 23, 2014 at 8:20 AM

I haven’t really done a lot of research into the VEPR, from what I saw so far, not that bad, costs is a smidge high out the box, but I will keep it on my checklist!

My main point is I would like a full size heavy round like .308, but th AK class round is the next best fallback….like I wrote before, if costs wasn’t so much a factor I’d do a surplus Galil in .308, with a heavy barrel…

BlaxPac on February 22, 2014 at 9:13 PM

The VEPR is made by Molot. Of all the AK’s out there, it is likely the best overall and Russian made. They are absolutely heavier than the others because they are built off the RPK pattern rather than the AK pattern. Arsenal (Bulgaria) is not far behind for quality and then all the rest, other Russian, Romanian, even some more or less US ones. None are really bad, some just better than others. All go bang when trigger pulled.

The other way to go is a preban Chinese or Hungarian, Hungarian if you can find one. (To really get off the beaten path check out the Czech VZ-2008. Based of the vz58, it might actually be the best ever 7.62×39 ever made. Looks like an AK and shares absolutely nothing in common with it. You can get an entire shooter’s package for $500.) The main attraction for all of these is they shoot 2007 priced ammo, 7.62×39.

roy_batty on February 23, 2014 at 8:41 AM

roy_batty on February 23, 2014 at 8:41 AM

Roy, you gave me some good choices to thumb thru!

I liked the VEPR a LOT; using the heavier PK vs. AK pattern is slick; plus I am safe to assume that it will accept AK and any surplus RPK friends of mine that may own, especially snail drums.

The thing is, I haven’t seen a lot of tactical gear for them like replacement stocks, fore-grips etc like I do for the SKS/AK family; at least not yet, still looking.

A big selling feature for the SKS was that it’s still considered a rifle here in the Northeast, even with tactical kits; that’s a big selling point here with the Tea-and-Cake crowd here. But it still fires a good sized round I can actually afford in large quantities or for reloading (outside of .22, which I find as a pretty good backup too).

Now the one thing I will say, i REFUSE to give any MORE dollars to NORINCO (Chinese) arms companies; I don’t find their quality as robust as others Eastern companies…Hungary, Romania, Czech…top flight makers and they have plenty of experience putting AK’s…Haven’t seen that many American based companies, any recommendations?

BlaxPac on February 23, 2014 at 12:54 PM

BlaxPac on February 23, 2014 at 12:54 PM

I picked up a SKS for ~$200, put a modern tactical stock on it, takes 40 round mags, did a trigger job on it, ad upgraded the sights. Awesome gun!

Murphy9 on February 23, 2014 at 8:00 PM

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