Rick Perry 2016?

posted at 2:41 pm on February 20, 2014 by Allahpundit

Of all the electoral maneuvers lately — Huckabee heading to Iowa, Santorum huddling with advisors, Allen West refusing to rule anything out, and even Joe Scarborough visiting New Hampshire — this is the most interesting.

Is there room for Perry this time, though?

Perry, a potential 2016 presidential candidate, will be in Des Moines and Davenport on Feb. 27 and Feb. 28.

He will be sitting down with business leaders to discuss a wide range of issues, according to Bob Haus, an adviser in the state.

He also will be taping an episode of “Iowa Press,” Iowa Public Television’s weekly public affairs program, Haus said.

Perry intends to discuss his efforts with Americans for Economic Freedom, a group he formed last year that is aimed at promoting state policies that lead to economic expansion and job creation.

He jumped in last time because the field sorely needed a credible conservative alternative to Romney. Didn’t work out. He might jump in this time because the field sorely needs a credible conservative alternative to … Rand Paul? Ted Cruz? Rubio? At least one of those guys is definitely running, and maybe more than one. If none of them are sufficiently socially conservative for you, Santorum and maybe even Huckabee will probably end up running too. The argument for Perry, I suppose, is that he’s the only one potential tea-party champion with executive experience, but I can’t believe that’ll put him over the top when it didn’t help him last time. (Yeah, Romney had a few years of experience as a governor too but he ran on his business record, not his stewardship of Massachusetts.) Besides, Paul, Rubio, and Cruz have all been in the thick of major policy debates over the past year. If you’re looking for a candidate to vindicate your principles, why look past those three to a guy who’s retiring as governor after flaming out in 2012?

Maybe he’s banking on the Republican “next in line” effect to propel him. In theory, as the 2012 runner-up, Santorum’s the “next in line,” but no one seriously thinks he’s going to be the nominee. Paul Ryan would become “next in line” if he runs, but most people think he won’t. Perry could be calculating that he’s well positioned to fill that vacuum; he’s the next full-spectrum conservative candidate in line, at least. And there is, I guess, a way for him to cobble together a coalition among righties who are disaffected with their other options. Some may find Rand Paul’s libertarian leanings suspicious, especially on social issues; others may rule out Rubio for carrying too much water on amnesty, even though Perry himself is moderate on immigration. Others may want a social con as nominee but not someone whose chief political identity is as a social conservative a la Santorum or Huckabee. If Cruz runs, though, I think he’d cannibalize most of Perry’s support, Perry’s executive pedigree notwithstanding. Which, maybe, explains Perry’s presence in Iowa now. No reason not to keep his options open just in case Cruz decides not to run. Which, I think, is what he’ll end up deciding.


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I suspect its for the same reason’s I’ve given for lamenting this before.

As a Texan, we get to effectively watch Iowa, New Hampshire, Delaware, Florida, etc pick the nominee. By the time the Texas primary rolls around, the people we may have wanted have been drummed out of the process by less conservative states/donors, and our choices are thinned to the point of there being, well, no choices, really.

It’s infuriating, frankly.

Midas on February 20, 2014 at 3:35 PM

considering we are the 2nd most populous state and have tons of political money its beyond infuriating. i dont know why the state party leadership doesnt join up w/ some of the other big states and force a change to process.

chasdal on February 20, 2014 at 3:43 PM

In terms of energizing the base – you want to talk about the closest thing to 100% conservative turnout we’ve ever seen…

Cruz/Palin ’16

Midas on February 20, 2014 at 3:43 PM

Who do the amnesty purists support?

Ted Cruz I guess.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Sen. Cruz came out with a more nuanced view of immigration in a general election lol

terryannonline on February 20, 2014 at 3:44 PM

First and foremost, I really, really…REALLY beleive that we need a state governor. So that gives us, Walker, Jindal, and Perry. I think only Jindal and Perry are viable. Walker, as much as I love the dude, has not been on the national scene/spotlight to the extent that he would need to be to be a viable canidate. What exposure Walker did get nationaly was the war with the unions, which will go batsh!t crazy if he runs.
I actually think Jindal would be the better of the two. As much as I like Perry, I think he has come very close to “Palinizing” himself in 2012, I think his performance was that bad in 2012. I don’t like admitting that. I have heard that the reason for his poor performance was back pain, if so, I hope those issue are resolved. He will need to get some MAJOR debate coaching, and if he is planning on running, he should start NOW!
This really is all a mute point anyway. The establishment GOP are going to give Romeny a third crack at Presidentcy. Kill me now.

JimmyGee on February 20, 2014 at 3:44 PM

CableDude on February 20, 2014 at 3:42 PM

Just like everybody else, you will loose the note.

cozmo on February 20, 2014 at 3:44 PM

Yep, too early.

I would add that Perry makes true believers and Palin worshipers heads explode too.

cozmo on February 20, 2014 at 3:35 PM

Let him run. Whose head’s exploding? He won’t be the nominee.

ddrintn on February 20, 2014 at 3:45 PM

Under the radar – Mike Pence.

celtic warrior on February 20, 2014 at 2:51 PM

Right on!

Pence/Haley 2016

Ted Cruz, Attorney General and Justice on the SCOTUS when the corpse Ginsberg finally is confirmed expired.

KirknBurker on February 20, 2014 at 3:45 PM

Let him run. Whose head’s exploding?

ddrintn on February 20, 2014 at 3:45 PM

Yours for one. You have been ranting over this since the headline thread.

Though, we did get a page of respite here.

cozmo on February 20, 2014 at 3:47 PM

Ted Cruz, Attorney General and Justice on the SCOTUS when the corpse Ginsberg finally is confirmed expired.

KirknBurker on February 20, 2014 at 3:45 PM

i bet Ted would prefer that to president. and he’d be much more effective in that role.

chasdal on February 20, 2014 at 3:48 PM

Texas has one of the weakest governorships around.

terryannonline on February 20, 2014 at 3:30 PM

Yeah, apparently the Lt. Governor is the strong hand in Texas. Hey, who was Lt. Gov. for Bush?

cptacek on February 20, 2014 at 3:48 PM

His executive stewardship lead to economic success in TX. He has some appeal to hispanic voters there and perhaps could extend that elsewhere. As a governor he does not have to explain a million “strategic” votes in congress. I do not see any automatic disqualifiers for him. He might need a John Bolton in his cabinet to improve his foreign policy credentials.

KW64 on February 20, 2014 at 3:48 PM

If they aren’t Mexican what are they and it really doesn’t matter who they are anyone can come in through our border. It must be secured. Nobody wants to admit it but the sudden reappearance of old diseases and also things like bedbugs are due to the open border.

crankyoldlady on February 20, 2014 at 3:34 PM

Here’s a map

http://todaycolombia.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/STRATFOR-Mexican-drug-cartels-map.jpg

Data link:

http://www.lb7.uscourts.gov/documents/10-16341.pdf

As to Bedbugs…Don’t discount the EPA and their War on effective Pesticides.

workingclass artist on February 20, 2014 at 3:48 PM

Yet we love you, and ALyT, any way.

cozmo on February 20, 2014 at 3:41 PM

I’m VERY lovable – Twerp on the other hand…..

gophergirl on February 20, 2014 at 3:49 PM

Here’s my problem with Perry.
It’s his clumsy rhetorical skills. Sure, his infamous oops “senior moment” can be chalked up to his back problems affecting his performance. But other things cannot be written off so easily. Like his calling Social Security a “Ponzi scheme.” That might be true, but it’s simply too unrefined or unsubtle for the typical voter. Perry would be a deer in the headlights for the general election. Now Cruz, who may have the same basic view of Social Security, would have the ability to present his words about that in a more attractive way, not to scare people, but to comfort, and inspire even. Go with Cruz.

anotherJoe on February 20, 2014 at 3:49 PM

Who do the amnesty purists support?
Ted Cruz I guess.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Sen. Cruz came out with a more nuanced view of immigration in a general election lol
terryannonline on February 20, 2014 at 3:44 PM

Well, see, he’s from Texas and he’s not going to go through a 20 member Hispanic family and separate the illegals from the legals and remove them by force. It’s just not going to happen.

Marcus on February 20, 2014 at 3:51 PM

I’ll be baking special “Hot Gas” cookies in his honor.

Cookie?

famous amos on February 20, 2014 at 3:42 PM

HA!

workingclass artist on February 20, 2014 at 3:52 PM

I don’t like admitting that. I have heard that the reason for his poor performance was back pain, if so, I hope those issue are resolved.

Probably because of pain pills after the back surgery, not because of the back pain.

cptacek on February 20, 2014 at 3:52 PM

The 2016 race will be a bloodbath of the GOP eating itself.

D-fusit on February 20, 2014 at 2:43 PM

No it won’t. It’ll be pretty much like 2011-2012: endless discussions of polls and “electability” and then when the primaries hit there’ll be a little knot of conservative candidates — none of whom will light any particularly blazing fire under the base — to split the conservative vote while the GOPe and their fans coalesce around whatever favorite they pick. That favorite will hobble along with ~20% of the vote just as Romney did on his way to the nomination.

ddrintn on February 20, 2014 at 3:52 PM

Well, see, he’s from Texas and he’s not going to go through a 20 member Hispanic family and separate the illegals from the legals and remove them by force. It’s just not going to happen.

Marcus on February 20, 2014 at 3:51 PM

Yep.

terryannonline on February 20, 2014 at 3:54 PM

Yours for one. You have been ranting over this since the headline thread.

Though, we did get a page of respite here.

cozmo on February 20, 2014 at 3:47 PM

Mine didn’t explode. I merely mention that Perry was on the Klown Kar in 2011-2012 and the PerryKrishnas have to (predictably) trot out Palin again. For dozens of comments. Your head exploded, nutball.

ddrintn on February 20, 2014 at 3:55 PM

great, i would be happy if he ran again. i’m interested to hear what he has to say.

Sachiko on February 20, 2014 at 3:55 PM

Mine didn’t explode. I merely mention that Perry was on the Klown Kar in 2011-2012 and the PerryKrishnas have to (predictably) trot out Palin again. For dozens of comments. Your head exploded, nutball.

ddrintn on February 20, 2014 at 3:55 PM

What does this mean? I like Palin. I also like Perry. Heck, Palin likes Perry…

cptacek on February 20, 2014 at 3:55 PM

Here’s my problem with Perry.
It’s his clumsy rhetorical skills. Sure, his infamous oops “senior moment” can be chalked up to his back problems affecting his performance. But other things cannot be written off so easily. Like his calling Social Security a “Ponzi scheme.” That might be true, but it’s simply too unrefined or unsubtle for the typical voter. Perry would be a deer in the headlights for the general election. Now Cruz, who may have the same basic view of Social Security, would have the ability to present his words about that in a more attractive way, not to scare people, but to comfort, and inspire even. Go with Cruz.

anotherJoe on February 20, 2014 at 3:49 PM

I think he’ll run a different campaign if he runs…directly to voters. He’s always been a good retail politician. Most voters like him when they meet him.

workingclass artist on February 20, 2014 at 3:57 PM

Who do the amnesty purists support? When pinned down they all say that there has to be a way to allow illegals to work towards being citizens through some program or another. Every one of them. So who’s the champ who’s going to seal the borders, round them up, and send em packing??

Marcus on February 20, 2014 at 3:42 PM

No one says that. Mass deportation of 11 million people would be possible, but the political optics would be horrific. Everyone in politics knows that.

The closest was Mitt Romney with shutting down the job magnet with e-verify, and then most of the illegals would leave of their own accord.

But purist “conservatives” didn’t want to vote for that because they didn’t trust him. Oh, well.

fadetogray on February 20, 2014 at 3:58 PM

The 2016 race will be a bloodbath of the GOP eating itself.

D-fusit on February 20, 2014 at 2:43 PM

The REAL question about the 2016 election will be which candidate will the media pick for us to run with this time?

CableDude on February 20, 2014 at 3:58 PM

PerryKrishnas have to (predictably) trot out Palin again.
ddrintn on February 20, 2014 at 3:55 PM

I haven’t heard that term in months. It feels like the good ol’ days

gophergirl on February 20, 2014 at 3:58 PM

ddrintn on February 20, 2014 at 3:55 PM

Yes dear, you stick with that.

cozmo on February 20, 2014 at 3:59 PM

But other things cannot be written off so easily. Like his calling Social Security a “Ponzi scheme.”

anotherJoe on February 20, 2014 at 3:49 PM

No, Perry was absolutely right about that. He probably could have expressed it in a more subtle way, sure. But the fact is that the bar was raised impossibly high for Perry just as it was for Palin in 2008. Romney could make any goof and it was dismissed; everything Perry said was going to be analyzed microscopically. A lot of that was due to the hype and to his supporters’ hosannas when he jumped late into the race.

ddrintn on February 20, 2014 at 3:59 PM

I believe the back surgery and pain medications explain many of the debate problems, including “Heartless”. Also, he had less debating experience than he should have as he did not need to debate very oftem in the races for Governor.

Rubio – After that horrible immigration bill? He then proceeded to directly contradict what he said on immigration during his campaign. I do not trust him now. He sounds great on a variety of topics but I do not know what he truly believes.

Cruz – A warrior and I would vote for him. But I know Perry’s platform so I prefer him.

Paul – Like him but he may be too much of a mix on issues to go all the way.

Perry – You can talk about his debating errors, but go watch some of his speeches at APAC or elsewhere. No one that I know of, other than him, has pledged to make Washington as inconsequential as possible in our lives. That is exactly what I want and I’ll support him till he withdraws or loses the nomination. Oh, google Perry and ovarian cancer about the young lady he befriended if you want to see how good a man he is.

theo22 on February 20, 2014 at 4:00 PM

PerryKrishnas have to (predictably) trot out Palin again.
ddrintn on February 20, 2014 at 3:55 PM

I haven’t heard that term in months. It feels like the good ol’ days

gophergirl on February 20, 2014 at 3:58 PM

There hasn’t been much occasion for it.

ddrintn on February 20, 2014 at 4:00 PM

ddrintn on February 20, 2014 at 3:55 PM

Yes dear, you stick with that.

cozmo on February 20, 2014 at 3:59 PM

You bet, buttercup.

ddrintn on February 20, 2014 at 4:01 PM

gophergirl on February 20, 2014 at 3:58 PM

Heck, I hadn’t heard from drintintin since the primaries.

Then him and idiotdesign both showed up in a Perry thread this morning.

Perry is like a dog whistle to them.

cozmo on February 20, 2014 at 4:01 PM

My vote in a heartbeat!

He’d be dogged/vilified by the press (whatz new?)
He’d be hated by the progs (whatz new?)
He’d give the crooks in D.C. a fight for their political lives (That’s whatz new!)

Hello, Ronald Reagan. **__**

avagreen on February 20, 2014 at 3:01 PM

Perry on the same political level with Reagan?

Uh, No, I don’t think so!

shubalstearns on February 20, 2014 at 4:02 PM

Perry is like a dog whistle to them.

cozmo on February 20, 2014 at 4:01 PM

Nutball, I asked you or anyone else to find a hateful comment of mine toward Perry. Still can’t do it, snookums?

ddrintn on February 20, 2014 at 4:03 PM

The REAL question about the 2016 election will be which candidate will the media pick for us to run with this time?

CableDude on February 20, 2014 at 3:58 PM

Yep.

ddrintn on February 20, 2014 at 4:03 PM

I don’t think the media will ever let Perry live down his “uh…” moment from the debates. They played it over and over in ’12 and they are sure to do it again if he runs in ’16.

shubalstearns on February 20, 2014 at 4:06 PM

Heck, I hadn’t heard from drintintin since the primaries.

cozmo on February 20, 2014 at 4:01 PM

What’s wrong, pops? Senile?

ddrintn on February 20, 2014 at 4:06 PM

Dated Nov. 2013

“Calls to overhaul the nation’s immigration laws will fade away as soon as Mexico jump-starts its economy, Texas Gov. Rick Perry predicted Wednesday.

Perry, speaking to reporters at the Republican Governors Association’s annual conference in Arizona, ridiculed Democratic efforts to pass a comprehensive immigration reform bill without first enhancing security along the Texas-Mexico border.

But Perry said the debate over immigration reform – and perhaps the heated political battles over border security – could end up being pointless thanks to Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto.

Nieto is working to overhaul his country’s energy laws in order to lure greater investment from outside oil and gas companies, thereby boosting job creation. Energy production in Mexico has been state-run for 75 years.

“I think immigration reform is going to be very passé,” Perry said. “It’s going to be part of the past. And one of the reasons is that is that when Mexico liberalizes the energy policy down there and the Mexicans who are here illegally go home… and as a matter of fact there might be a lot of folks who maybe are U.S. citizens going to Mexico looking for jobs in the energy industry.”

“And (at) that particular point in time,” he added, “this whole discussion about immigration reform, I think it goes away for one thing. And the idea about border security may shift from the United States and Mexico border, down to the Guatemala-Mexican border.”

Asked how long such a scenario might take to unfold, Perry said it “depends on how fast the Congress in Mexico works.”

But he said President Pena Nieto “is very committed to improving the economic lot in Mexico.”

CNN

“Mexico’s Congress voted Thursday to open the country’s moribund state-run oil industry to foreign and domestic investors, casting aside nationalist opposition to approve the most dramatic energy reform in seven decades.” – Dec. 2013

workingclass artist on February 20, 2014 at 3:20 PM

In other words, it’ll go away if we just leave everything to Mexico. You gotta be kidding me. Actually, it does sound like something Republicans will eat up.

Dongemaharu on February 20, 2014 at 4:09 PM

I believe the back surgery and pain medications explain many of the debate problems, including “Heartless”. Also, he had less debating experience than he should have as he did not need to debate very oftem in the races for Governor.

Rubio – After that horrible immigration bill? He then proceeded to directly contradict what he said on immigration during his campaign. I do not trust him now. He sounds great on a variety of topics but I do not know what he truly believes.

Cruz – A warrior and I would vote for him. But I know Perry’s platform so I prefer him.

Paul – Like him but he may be too much of a mix on issues to go all the way.

Perry – You can talk about his debating errors, but go watch some of his speeches at APAC or elsewhere. No one that I know of, other than him, has pledged to make Washington as inconsequential as possible in our lives. That is exactly what I want and I’ll support him till he withdraws or loses the nomination. Oh, google Perry and ovarian cancer about the young lady he befriended if you want to see how good a man he is.

theo22 on February 20, 2014 at 4:00 PM

One thing Perry did was standup to the legislature on the budget…And when the US Credit Ranking was downgraded Texas was upgraded.

2009

““The ratings continue to reflect our opinion of the state’s large and steadily diversifying economy, which despite the recession continues to perform better than the nation in terms of both economic activity and employment,” S&P credit analyst Horacio Aldrete-Sanchez said. “Furthermore, we expect that the Texas economy will recover earlier and at a faster rate than most other states given its continued population growth and relatively low cost of doing business, which we expect will contribute to gradual employment gains in 2010, particularly in the health, education and services sectors.”

S&P’s decision was based on Texas’ 2010-11 biennial budget, the state’s strong Rainy Day Fund, and Texas’ low tax-supported debt burden. The higher rating means Texas will pay lower interest on money it borrows, saving of millions of taxpayer dollars.

“In light of the economic downturn affecting the nation, this session we continued to make wise choices, such as cutting taxes on 40,000 small businesses and maintaining a multi-billion dollar balance in our Rainy Day Fund that have helped our state sustain its overall economic strength,” Gov. Perry said. “These prudent and fiscally conservative decisions continue to pay off for our taxpayers.”

“Texas debt has always been well-received in the bond market, but for Texas to receive a rating upgrade in today’s challenging economic environment while other states are being downgraded, speaks to the high quality of the state’s financial stewardship as well as the positive long-term outlook for the Texas economy,” Bob Kline, executive director of the Texas Bond Review Board said…”

http://governor.state.tx.us/news/press-release/13441/

2013

S&P Raises Texas to Highest AAA Credit Rating

“Gov. Rick Perry today released the following statement in response to Standard & Poor’s upgrading Texas’ credit rating:

“S&P’s decision to raise Texas’ credit rating to AAA is no accident, but further proof that the Texas model of conservative fiscal discipline is a key element of our strong economy, and a stark contrast to the out-of-control spending and rising debt ceilings of Washington, D.C. In Texas, we adhere to the powerful combination of keeping taxes low and government spending in check, ensuring Texas remains the best place in the country to live, work, raise a family and build a business.”

Perry’s been a legislator and an elected administrator (Agr. Commissioner) before he was elected to executive positions of Lt. Governor and Governor.

workingclass artist on February 20, 2014 at 4:10 PM

I don’t think the media will ever let Perry live down his “uh…” moment from the debates. They played it over and over in ’12 and they are sure to do it again if he runs in ’16.

shubalstearns on February 20, 2014 at 4:06 PM

Yep, but think of how many of those types of moments they glossed over for Obama when he was campaigning in the 57 states.

CableDude on February 20, 2014 at 4:10 PM

I haven’t heard that term in months. It feels like the good ol’ days

gophergirl on February 20, 2014 at 3:58 PM

On that note. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBwuBu1CFVA

MontanaMmmm on February 20, 2014 at 4:11 PM

ddrintn on February 20, 2014 at 4:06 PM

Mostly you don’t write anything worth remembering.

cozmo on February 20, 2014 at 4:11 PM

I don’t think the media will ever let Perry live down his “uh…” moment from the debates. They played it over and over in ’12 and they are sure to do it again if he runs in ’16.

shubalstearns on February 20, 2014 at 4:06 PM

True enough.

But if he runs…he’ll go directly to the voters and the local media wherever he’s campaigning.

workingclass artist on February 20, 2014 at 4:11 PM

Better bring a few index cards to the debate this time.

pastorjim67 on February 20, 2014 at 4:11 PM

There are THREE things I don’t like about Perry for President – but I can only ever seem to remember TWO of them.

;)

Mordaukar on February 20, 2014 at 4:12 PM

Better bring a few index cards to the debate this time.

pastorjim67 on February 20, 2014 at 4:11 PM

I think Perry would’ve done a lot better had he gotten into the race earlier in 2011 and gotten some sort of footing. I think he would’ve been a vastly better candidate than Romney in the general election campaign as well.

ddrintn on February 20, 2014 at 4:13 PM

I wouldn’t be surprised if Sen. Cruz came out with a more nuanced view of immigration in a general election lol

terryannonline on February 20, 2014 at 3:44 PM

Once again, for the very obtuse, the English-speakers – immigration reform is NOT amnesty.

Schadenfreude on February 20, 2014 at 4:13 PM

I don’t think the media will ever let Perry live down his “uh…” moment from the debates. They played it over and over in ’12 and they are sure to do it again if he runs in ’16.

shubalstearns on February 20, 2014 at 4:06 PM

Yep, but think of how many of those types of moments they glossed over for Obama when he was campaigning in the 57 states.

CableDude on February 20, 2014 at 4:10 PM

True. But you and I both know the liberal media will never give any republican the same treatment.

shubalstearns on February 20, 2014 at 4:16 PM

Mostly you don’t write anything worth remembering.

cozmo on February 20, 2014 at 4:11 PM

And you think you do?

ddrintn on February 20, 2014 at 4:18 PM

Yeah the answer is no. We’ve already litigated Mr. Perry as a candidate. We don’t need the distraction.

ANd if the so-called “Bridgegate” does not finish Christie as a candidate, signing New Jersey’s latest anti-Second Amendment proposal will.

Marcus Traianus on February 20, 2014 at 4:19 PM

In other words, it’ll go away if we just leave everything to Mexico. You gotta be kidding me. Actually, it does sound like something Republicans will eat up.

Dongemaharu on February 20, 2014 at 4:09 PM

Most of these illegals don’t want to be citizens…they want to earn money.

If the Mexican economy improves they’d rather go home and earn it…and there’s a great future for all those college educated dreamers to rebuild the mother country.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the Mexican Government offers incentives to them to return.

Pemex infrastructure is falling apart…Roads are falling apart through neglect…manufacturing needs upgrading

Mexico is poised for an economic Boom…and those US states and companies that jump on board will make beaucoup money especially in manufacturing

workingclass artist on February 20, 2014 at 4:20 PM

ddrintn on February 20, 2014 at 4:18 PM

Of course not. But I don’t think up gems like Klown Kar when referring to Perry either.

cozmo on February 20, 2014 at 4:22 PM

<blockquot
I don’t think the media will ever let Perry live down his “uh…” moment from the debates. They played it over and over in ’12 and they are sure to do it again if he runs in ’16.

shubalstearns on February 20, 2014 at 4:06 PM

True enough.

But if he runs…he’ll go directly to the voters and the local media wherever he’s campaigning.

workingclass artist on February 20, 2014 at 4:11 PM

I was for Perry last time. He would have been a much better candidate than Romney. I hope he runs again. I just think that they have this caricature of Perry they intend to destroy him with.
Maybe it won matter.

shubalstearns on February 20, 2014 at 4:22 PM

Of course not. But I don’t think up gems like Klown Kar when referring to Perry either.

cozmo on February 20, 2014 at 4:22 PM

Well, you’ll remember that one, wontcha pops?

ddrintn on February 20, 2014 at 4:22 PM

Yeah the answer is no. We’ve already litigated Mr. Perry as a candidate. We don’t need the distraction.

ANd if the so-called “Bridgegate” does not finish Christie as a candidate, signing New Jersey’s latest anti-Second Amendment proposal will.

Marcus Traianus on February 20, 2014 at 4:19 PM

Reagan?

McCain?

Romney?

Because only one national run is allowed or something…

*Blech*

workingclass artist on February 20, 2014 at 4:24 PM

ddrintn on February 20, 2014 at 4:22 PM

Probably not. Not much you nutballs write is worth remembering more than a few hours.

cozmo on February 20, 2014 at 4:24 PM

<blockquot
I don’t think the media will ever let Perry live down his “uh…” moment from the debates. They played it over and over in ’12 and they are sure to do it again if he runs in ’16.

shubalstearns on February 20, 2014 at 4:06 PM

True enough.

But if he runs…he’ll go directly to the voters and the local media wherever he’s campaigning.

workingclass artist on February 20, 2014 at 4:11 PM

I was for Perry last time. He would have been a much better candidate than Romney. I hope he runs again. I just think that they have this caricature of Perry they intend to destroy him with.
Maybe it won matter.

shubalstearns on February 20, 2014 at 4:22 PM

Sorry. Experiencing technical difficulties!

shubalstearns on February 20, 2014 at 4:25 PM

workingclass artist on February 20, 2014 at 4:24 PM

Well, two of those cases would have been a blessing.

cozmo on February 20, 2014 at 4:25 PM

I was for Perry last time. He would have been a much better candidate than Romney.

Yes, he would have.

I hope he runs again. I just think that they have this caricature of Perry they intend to destroy him with.
Maybe it won matter.

shubalstearns on February 20, 2014 at 4:22 PM

No, it won’t matter. The GOPe would rather burn the party down to the ground rather than allow any candidate that the TP approves of to run in 2016. I really think the only answer is a root-and-branch reform (for lack of a better term) of the GOP, or else a national Conservative Party.

ddrintn on February 20, 2014 at 4:26 PM

My vote in a heartbeat!

He’d be dogged/vilified by the press (whatz new?)
He’d be hated by the progs (whatz new?)
He’d give the crooks in D.C. a fight for their political lives (That’s whatz new!)

Hello, Ronald Reagan. **__**

avagreen on February 20, 2014 at 3:01 PM

Perry on the same political level with Reagan?

Uh, No, I don’t think so!

shubalstearns on February 20, 2014 at 4:02 PM

Ronald Reagan, the good Irish man that he was, could tell people to “Go to hell, and have them looking forward to the trip!”
Not many politicans can pull that off. He was one-of-a-kind.

JimmyGee on February 20, 2014 at 4:26 PM

Why do republicans allow states won by democrats in the last election, to decide who the party nominee will be?
Seems self-defeating.

lonestar1 on February 20, 2014 at 4:26 PM

shubalstearns on February 20, 2014 at 4:25 PM

Gig Em’

workingclass artist on February 20, 2014 at 4:27 PM

Probably not. Not much you nutballs write is worth remembering more than a few hours.

cozmo on February 20, 2014 at 4:24 PM

Which is a few hours’ worth more memorability than you can muster, buttercup.

ddrintn on February 20, 2014 at 4:28 PM

lonestar1 on February 20, 2014 at 4:26 PM

Small population, cheap media and tradition. But mostly wimpyness.

cozmo on February 20, 2014 at 4:29 PM

workingclass artist on February 20, 2014 at 4:24 PM

Well, two of those cases would have been a blessing.

cozmo on February 20, 2014 at 4:25 PM

True.

I was just responding to the No Soup for You guy…

I’d actually like to see a debate between Christie & Perry on the difference between NJ and TX in their economies.

workingclass artist on February 20, 2014 at 4:29 PM

ddrintn on February 20, 2014 at 4:28 PM

Yes sweetums. But I did keep you distracted from your usual bile.

cozmo on February 20, 2014 at 4:30 PM

My vote in a heartbeat!

He’d be dogged/vilified by the press (whatz new?)
He’d be hated by the progs (whatz new?)
He’d give the crooks in D.C. a fight for their political lives (That’s whatz new!)

Hello, Ronald Reagan. **__**

avagreen on February 20, 2014 at 3:01 PM

Take note, folks. this isn’t “idolatry”. That’s stuff only “nutballs” do. Eh, pops?

ddrintn on February 20, 2014 at 4:31 PM

workingclass artist on February 20, 2014 at 4:29 PM

Not me. Perry wouldn’t do well. What Christie couldn’t show with an agenda, he would drown with bluster. Though in fairness, Perry mostly didn’t rock the Texas boat.

cozmo on February 20, 2014 at 4:31 PM

What was the question again? Perry. Be a heII of a lot better than the current POTUS, hands down. I’m still with Cruz.

Bmore on February 20, 2014 at 4:32 PM

ddrintn on February 20, 2014 at 4:26 PM

I was a regular reader here on hotair during the primaries. I was surprised at the number of commenters who did not want Perry. They always said that executive experience trumps legislative experience but they were against Perry?

shubalstearns on February 20, 2014 at 4:32 PM

But I did keep you distracted from your usual bile.

cozmo on February 20, 2014 at 4:30 PM

Of which you can never seem to find any examples, poppy.

ddrintn on February 20, 2014 at 4:33 PM

ddrintn on February 20, 2014 at 4:31 PM

No. its Ava being Ava. Just like you wouldn’t be bothered, except from hagfish, for praising Palin in a Palin thread.

Its you crapping on all non-palins that gets boring.

cozmo on February 20, 2014 at 4:34 PM

ddrintn on February 20, 2014 at 4:33 PM

You have yet to prove yourself worthy.

cozmo on February 20, 2014 at 4:35 PM

Most of these illegals don’t want to be citizens…they want to earn money.

If the Mexican economy improves they’d rather go home and earn it…and there’s a great future for all those college educated dreamers to rebuild the mother country.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the Mexican Government offers incentives to them to return.

Pemex infrastructure is falling apart…Roads are falling apart through neglect…manufacturing needs upgrading

Mexico is poised for an economic Boom…and those US states and companies that jump on board will make beaucoup money especially in manufacturing

workingclass artist on February 20, 2014 at 4:20 PM

Again, his illegal immigration policy would be to abdicate his responsibility to Mexico, based solely on a forecast. I’m close to speechless. Talk about the path of least resistance. So much trust in the Mexican government all of a sudden.

Dongemaharu on February 20, 2014 at 4:41 PM

Yeah the answer is no. We’ve already litigated Mr. Perry as a candidate. We don’t need the distraction.

ANd if the so-called “Bridgegate” does not finish Christie as a candidate, signing New Jersey’s latest anti-Second Amendment proposal will.

Marcus Traianus on February 20, 2014 at 4:19 PM

But… but… THINK of all the QOTD threads that Kristie Kreme will deliver!

/sarc

Myron Falwell on February 20, 2014 at 4:45 PM

If Perry can’t garner 300 comments on HotGas, he’s a loser..:)

idesign on February 20, 2014 at 4:47 PM

ddrintn on February 20, 2014 at 4:33 PM

cozmo on February 20, 2014 at 4:35 PM

Calm down, girls. You’re both pretty.

cptacek on February 20, 2014 at 4:51 PM

idesign on February 20, 2014 at 4:47 PM

That was funny.

Too bad drintintin cannot come back from the edge.

cozmo on February 20, 2014 at 4:51 PM

What was the question again? Perry. Be a heII of a lot better than the current POTUS, hands down. I’m still with Cruz.

Bmore on February 20, 2014 at 4:32 PM

If only the last primary/caucus had to choose between Perry and Cruz…

cptacek on February 20, 2014 at 4:52 PM

Not me. Perry wouldn’t do well. What Christie couldn’t show with an agenda, he would drown with bluster. Though in fairness, Perry mostly didn’t rock the Texas boat.

cozmo on February 20, 2014 at 4:31 PM

Well I for one have had enough of executives rocking economic boats.

Christie is a blowhard…and folks get tired of that.

workingclass artist on February 20, 2014 at 4:53 PM

I wouldn’t be surprised if Sen. Cruz came out with a more nuanced view of immigration in a general election lol

terryannonline on February 20, 2014 at 3:44 PM

Fine. But what’s that got to do with amnesty? And why is it funny?

rrpjr on February 20, 2014 at 4:53 PM

Again, his illegal immigration policy would be to abdicate his responsibility to Mexico, based solely on a forecast. I’m close to speechless. Talk about the path of least resistance. So much trust in the Mexican government all of a sudden.

Dongemaharu on February 20, 2014 at 4:41 PM

Oh Brother.

workingclass artist on February 20, 2014 at 4:55 PM

I was surprised at the number of commenters who did not want Perry. They always said that executive experience trumps legislative experience but they were against Perry?

shubalstearns on February 20, 2014 at 4:32 PM

From what I’ve seen, Perry is a good executive and a fine man, very much like Romney in that sense. I doubt he could win the general.
I think Walker or Pence might have a better shot. I’m not going to let one issue be a litmus test.

butch on February 20, 2014 at 4:55 PM

What was the question again? Perry. Be a heII of a lot better than the current POTUS, hands down. I’m still with Cruz.

Bmore on February 20, 2014 at 4:32 PM

Jeb Bush…The GOP hath spoken

workingclass artist on February 20, 2014 at 4:57 PM

I’m a Texan and would rather vote for Cruz thanks. I appreciate Perry but he blows in debates and Cruz is awesome.

neyney on February 20, 2014 at 4:57 PM

Oh Brother.
workingclass artist on February 20, 2014 at 4:55 PM

Really? An immigration platform Obama would even blush at? And nobody here bats an eyelid. Holy cow.

Dongemaharu on February 20, 2014 at 5:03 PM

neyney on February 20, 2014 at 4:57 PM

After the last two terms, the thought of another president with only Senatorial qualifications may make many people a bit queasy. I’m a Cruz fan, but, I’d like to see him get a bit more seasoning.
Same with Rand Paul.

butch on February 20, 2014 at 5:04 PM

Really? An immigration platform Obama would even blush at? And nobody here bats an eyelid. Holy cow.

Dongemaharu on February 20, 2014 at 5:03 PM

You’re new here aren’t you?

workingclass artist on February 20, 2014 at 5:07 PM

From what I’ve seen, Perry is a good executive and a fine man, very much like Romney in that sense. I doubt he could win the general.
I think Walker or Pence might have a better shot. I’m not going to let one issue be a litmus test.

butch on February 20, 2014 at 4:55 PM

I’m all for as many successful conservative governors who want to run.

workingclass artist on February 20, 2014 at 5:09 PM

http://tinyurl.com/kl9b3sg

workingclass artist on February 20, 2014 at 5:27 PM

Perry would have made a good President, but he needs to work on his debating skills. Since he will be retiring in 2014, he might have more time thereafter to become a better debater.

Perry was also harshly criticized for allowing children of illegal immigrants living in Texas to attend college at in-state tuition rates, and Romney tried to move to his right during the primaries by saying that illegal immigrants should “self-deport”.

But Romney ended up losing huge numbers of Hispanic voters in the general election, while Perry probably could have gotten 40% of Hispanic voters (as did GW Bush, twice) and won the Presidency.

Butch is right–there should not be a one-issue litmus test, and maybe a Scott Walker or Mike Pence would have a better shot at winning. If Ted Cruz runs, there is probably not enough room for two Texas candidates in the Republican primary, but is a freshman Senator our best candidate when there are 30 sitting Republican Governors? Then again, Cruz will have the same amount of Senate experience in 2016 as a certain Barack Obama did in 2008.

Steve Z on February 20, 2014 at 5:30 PM

Newt was great in the primary debates…and

Romney won the first debate with Obama…and

I hope that if Perry runs he gets a better team…and no ORCA

workingclass artist on February 20, 2014 at 5:34 PM

Cruz, Paul, or Rubio?

Not one of them has run anything bigger than their Senate office. They haven’t even served a full term in the Senate. They are not remotely qualified. Let them serve a term or two in the Senate, then run for Governor in their home states and prove they can do the job at the state level before asking to be trusted to run the largest operation in the world, the US government.

It takes more than making speeches to be President. Have we learned NOTHING from Obama?

We have a strong bench of experienced leaders. Perry, Walker, Jindal, Daniels, Martinez. Kasich isn’t exactly the darling of the base right now, and Mike Pence and Nikki Haley are still future picks. That’s off the top of my head.

No Senators. They always suck as President. Always.

Adjoran on February 20, 2014 at 5:36 PM

I see the myth of the Hispanic voter is alive and well. Please, for the next person that brings this up had Romney won 70% of the Hispanic vote he would have still lost the election.

Knives78 on February 20, 2014 at 5:37 PM

ddrintn on February 20, 2014 at 4:26 PM

I was a regular reader here on hotair during the primaries. I was surprised at the number of commenters who did not want Perry. They always said that executive experience trumps legislative experience but they were against Perry?

shubalstearns on February 20, 2014 at 4:32 PM

Are you kidding? When Perry jumped in there were two basic camps: the Mittbots and those who were having a wild Perrygasm, like Marcus who was saying that Perry was looking at a 45-state win. Then you had “nutballs” like me who were saying Perry would flame out. Lo and behold, he didn’t make it past SC.

ddrintn on February 20, 2014 at 5:39 PM

Let them serve a term or two in the Senate

Well Paul and Rubio will have served a full term by the time 2016 comes around.

terryannonline on February 20, 2014 at 5:43 PM

Are you kidding? When Perry jumped in there were two basic camps: the Mittbots and those who were having a wild Perrygasm, like Marcus who was saying that Perry was looking at a 45-state win. Then you had “nutballs” like me who were saying Perry would flame out. Lo and behold, he didn’t make it past SC.

ddrintn on February 20, 2014 at 5:39 PM

Sure…Cause nobody was waiting for Palin to decide…right?

workingclass artist on February 20, 2014 at 5:44 PM

Sure…Cause nobody was waiting for Palin to decide…right?

workingclass artist on February 20, 2014 at 5:44 PM

By the time Perry got in it was pretty obvious Palin wouldn’t run.

ddrintn on February 20, 2014 at 5:45 PM

Perry just cleaned Blitzer’s clock on CNN.

wyntre9 on February 20, 2014 at 5:45 PM

Schadenfreude

Bmore on February 20, 2014 at 5:46 PM

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