GOProud returns to CPAC …

posted at 10:01 am on February 20, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

Call this a rapprochement and a step in the right direction, but …. it’s not quite a return, either. CPAC and the gay-conservative group GOProud buried the hatchet from the last couple of years, when the American Conservative Union board rejected the group as a sponsor of CPAC. They’re still not going to be a sponsor at CPAC 2014, but at least the ACU and CPAC are rolling out a welcome mat:

The annual debate over CPAC’s participants and focus reflects the broader, ongoing dialogue over growing the conservative movement and the Republican Party without compromising core principles. Gay rights are a major part of that debate, as conservative groups remain firmly opposed to gay marriage despite polls showing increasing and majority support.

The dispute with GOProud dates back to 2011, when a number of socially conservative groups, including the Heritage Foundation and the Family Research Council, objected to the group’s involvement and declined to participate. Insults were traded between GOProud leaders and ACU board members, culminating in the group’s exclusion.

Two former GOProud summer interns, Ross Hemminger and Matt Bechstein, took over last summer and sought to repair the bitterly frayed relationship. Under a compromise reached last week, they will attend the March 6-8 gathering as guests, without sponsorship or a booth. GOProud sees the lower-profile role as an important first step.

“We really just want to be part of the conservative movement,” said Hemminger, a veteran of the losing Senate campaigns by Scott Brown and Gabriel Gomez in Massachusetts. “We want to establish a fruitful and respectful relationship.”

Dan Schneider, executive director of the ACU, praised the GOProud directors for their “new vision” of promoting conservative principles from gun rights to opposition to abortion.

GOProud announced that it would attend on its website:

In the article we sit down with Beth Reinhard to discuss some of the latest happenings at GOProud, including some recent leadership transitions, the midterm elections, and yes, our plans for attending CPAC 2014!

As always, with your help GOProud will continue building bridges within the Republican Party that foster inclusion, and reinforce freedom for everyone.

The issue at the 2010 and 2011 CPAC conferences wasn’t about attendance, though, but sponsorship. That began in December 2009 when the group was first added to the roster of sponsors. A year later, even with their role reduced to “participating organization,” their presence touched off a boycott. After Sarah Palin defended their presence at CPAC 2011, which prompted a demand from one conservative group for her to “clarify” her position on social issues. Shortly afterward, CPAC dumped GOProud for the rhetoric that resulted from the avalanche of criticism, and that’s where things stood until this week.

However, there was never a ban on attendance for GOProud members — only a resolve not to include the group as a sponsor or “participating organization,” which would have allowed them a booth in the exhibitor hall. Individual members were always allowed to attend as such, although with the hostile rhetoric, it wasn’t a big surprise to see a lack of enthusiasm for doing so. This new rapprochement still leaves GOProud off the list of participating organizations — for now — but at least allows for cooler heads and saner rhetoric at present. Perhaps that will create a more friendly atmosphere, which hopefully will result in unity along the vast majority of conservative principles shared by all sides.

It’s not a new status, but perhaps a long-overdue fresh start. We need fiscal conservatives and small-government activists to unite in 2014, and that is what CPAC is supposed to facilitate, rather than division and disunity.

Addendum: Just for full disclosure, Townhall is one of the sponsors for CPAC 2014.


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Another take on the CPAC thing here.

Along with Barron’s tolerance.

GOProud calling their deal with CPAC a ” compromise” is like the Germans calling the Treaty of Versailles a ” compromise”

— Chris Barron (@ChrisRBarron) February 19, 2014

The_Livewire on February 20, 2014 at 12:08 PM

What you are trying to do, JetBoy, is limit religious freedom and expression to where the government decides to put it and to the people who the government decides to allow to practice it. You don’t believe religious freedom and liberty exist outside a church or for anyone but the clergy.

northdallasthirty on February 20, 2014 at 11:58 AM

Very Soviet…isn’t it?

Of course this is exactly the conflict between the Official Chinese Catholic Church and the Vatican.

It’s an old story…In her long history the Church has seen many Neros.

workingclass artist on February 20, 2014 at 12:09 PM

atlashrugg on February 20, 2014 at 12:07 PM

Panther’s back…!

22044 on February 20, 2014 at 12:10 PM

I wish GOProud would abandon the GOP for a warm welcome from libertarians and libertarian minded folks on the right.

It’s clear from some of the far right comments here, the SoCons (masquerading as conservatives) have no desire to be players in national politics in the future. Good. I’m tired of thuggish “gov’t decreed” moralistic governance, whether from the left or right.

If the right could get its act together, it would tell the SoCons to go pound sand. Then again, they’re called the stupid party for a reason.

atlashrugg on February 20, 2014 at 12:07 PM

Gay marriage isn’t a libertarian principle unless you consider licensing private relationships as a “small government” principle.
Gay marriage is a leftist position that grows government and is used as a bludgeon against private entities and individuals.

I have a real problem with so-called libertarians bagging on other parties using the force of government when they have no problem with BIG GOVERNMENT when it reinforces their SOCIAL AGENDA…

melle1228 on February 20, 2014 at 12:14 PM

A priest acting within The Church being forced to go against doctrine is not the same as a business owner, of a business that has nothing to do with any religion or church, denying services based on his/her personal religious faith.

At least try and be intellectually honest.

Now…either back up your claims of gay posters here, or I’m through. I eagerly await your supporting proof of your accusations.

JetBoy on February 20, 2014 at 11:44 AM

You don’t know what religious freedom is. Or freedom of association. Or property for that matter. It’s not restricted to clergy cloistered in the walls of their church. It’s about anyone being able to practice the tenets of their religion in their lives and in civil society. Private institutions in civil society and in the market shouldn’t be forced to be defacto arms of the federal bureaucracy and tools of enacting government social policy.

And you’ve made all your previous claims that the SSM mafia wouldn’t be able to infringe religious liberty a very hollow claim.

gwelf on February 20, 2014 at 12:15 PM

I’m not “shreiking” at all…You made a rather outrageous claim, as usual, and once again…when asked to back it up, you can’t do it. It’s what I expected, so no surprise there.

Thanks for showing yourself to be full of it. Cheers! – JetBoy on February 20, 2014 at 12:04 PM

Our gay friend ND30 who lives in San Francisco with his partner usually does go overboard in his statements. And, I will vouch for you in that you don’t sheik and call people who disagree with you a homophobe. Others, I am sure, will vouch that you don’t either. However, I firmly disagreed with your position yesterday.

SC.Charlie on February 20, 2014 at 12:15 PM

My goodness, JetBoy, it certainly seems that you’ve forgotten what you asked in the first place.

So please…find just one comment over the years from any gay poster here that backs up your inane, ridiculous accusation. Snap it up!
JetBoy on February 20, 2014 at 11:04 AM

Which I did, and to which you responded:

Libfree is gay…and a pedo? That’s news to me. If this is true, I wouldn’t post the comment, but I’d appreciate a link to one or two.

Libfree aside, I’m not interested in anything you have to say until you back up your repetitive claims a little with some comments made by gay posters, as I asked you.

Your pals under that bridge are waiting…

JetBoy on February 20, 2014 at 11:35 AM

So your criteria of just one and any gay poster were both clearly met.

Then you decided to start arbitrarily declaring that libfree didn’t count, that you didn’t mean one, etc. etc.

So when you’re provided evidence that contradicts your assertions, you change the requirements and then start screaming at the other person to give you something else.

That clearly shows, JetBoy, that you are not acting objectively or in good faith. It would be simple for you to state, “You’re right, libfreeordie, DBear, and others HAVE shoved their sexual activities in peoples’ faces and that was wrong,” but you are so incapable of criticizing other gay people or acknowledging that other people whose opinions you don’t like are right that you have to weasel out of it.

northdallasthirty on February 20, 2014 at 12:15 PM

Gay marriage isn’t a libertarian principle unless you consider licensing private relationships as a “small government” principle.
Gay marriage is a leftist position that grows government and is used as a bludgeon against private entities and individuals.

I have a real problem with so-called libertarians bagging on other parties using the force of government when they have no problem with BIG GOVERNMENT when it reinforces their SOCIAL AGENDA…

melle1228 on February 20, 2014 at 12:14 PM

Exactly.

I consider myself a libertarian and I’ve never understood the libertarian support for state sanctioned SSM.

It’s the only time I’ve ever seen other libertarians argue that a private institution that existed before and exists outside the state as being dependent on the state for it’s “dignity”, functioning, legitimacy, etc.

gwelf on February 20, 2014 at 12:17 PM

Another take on the CPAC thing here.

Along with Barron’s tolerance.

GOProud calling their deal with CPAC a ” compromise” is like the Germans calling the Treaty of Versailles a ” compromise”

— Chris Barron (@ChrisRBarron) February 19, 2014

The_Livewire on February 20, 2014 at 12:08 PM

Barron isn’t with GOProud anymore…not since last April. Neither is LaSilvia. Whatever his personal opinions are, they aren’t those of GOProud.

It’s plainly evident tho that, after two years as sponsors of CPAC, they were uninvited based on the threats of boycotts by blatantly anti-gay groups, who put up a fit about gays being invited…simply because they’re gay. No other excuse was given…not disagreement with leadership, or with the orgs platform…just that they’re gay, and apparently have no place amongst the “real conservatives”.

It’s sad that anyone could agree with that sentiment. It really is.

JetBoy on February 20, 2014 at 12:17 PM

It’s the only time I’ve ever seen other libertarians argue that a private institution that existed before and exists outside the state as being dependent on the state for it’s “dignity”, functioning, legitimacy, etc.

gwelf on February 20, 2014 at 12:17 PM

I have yet to find a SSM supporting libertarian who can tell me what other state licensing mechanism has made anyone more free.

melle1228 on February 20, 2014 at 12:19 PM

I have yet to find a SSM supporting libertarian who can tell me what other state licensing mechanism has made anyone more free.

melle1228 on February 20, 2014 at 12:19 PM

That’s a good one too.

gwelf on February 20, 2014 at 12:20 PM

So your criteria of just one and any gay poster were both clearly met.

Then you decided to start arbitrarily declaring that libfree didn’t count, that you didn’t mean one, etc. etc.

NO, it wasn’t. You still haven’t linked to one comment of libfree’s that supported or backed up your claim that he’s had zoom-zoom with young boys.

But like all your other baseless accusations, you can show not one iota of an example of any of them.

So when you’re provided evidence that contradicts your assertions, you change the requirements and then start screaming at the other person to give you something else.

What evidence? You’ve provided nothing!

That clearly shows, JetBoy, that you are not acting objectively or in good faith. It would be simple for you to state, “You’re right, libfreeordie, DBear, and others HAVE shoved their sexual activities in peoples’ faces and that was wrong,” but you are so incapable of criticizing other gay people or acknowledging that other people whose opinions you don’t like are right that you have to weasel out of it.

northdallasthirty on February 20, 2014 at 12:15 PM

If you cannot show one comment by one gay poster here to back your claims, then you’re nothing but a liar.

But I already know that.

JetBoy on February 20, 2014 at 12:21 PM

Barron isn’t with GOProud anymore…not since last April. Neither is LaSilvia. Whatever his personal opinions are, they aren’t those of GOProud.

My, that’s quite different than reality.

It’s plainly evident tho that, after two years as sponsors of CPAC, they were uninvited based on the threats of boycotts by blatantly anti-gay groups, who put up a fit about gays being invited…simply because they’re gay. No other excuse was given…not disagreement with leadership, or with the orgs platform…just that they’re gay, and apparently have no place amongst the “real conservatives”.

Yes, it’s not as if GOProud did anything wrong, which was why they desperately tried to apologize for what they did and said.

It’s sad that anyone could agree with that sentiment. It really is.

JetBoy on February 20, 2014 at 12:17 PM

Yes, JetBoy, we know: gays=good, anyone who doesn’t give gays what they want=homophobic bigot.

You seem quite mentally incapable of looking past anyone’s sexual orientation and judging them based on character instead of minority status. Why is that?

northdallasthirty on February 20, 2014 at 12:26 PM

If you cannot show one comment by one gay poster here to back your claims, then you’re nothing but a liar.

But I already know that.

JetBoy on February 20, 2014 at 12:21 PM

And that’s the point, JetBoy; you’re a bigot.

You have clearly stated that anyone who criticizes gays in any way, shape, or form is a liar.

It’s a convenient little way of ensuring that you never have to review, consider, or respond to any evidence provided: you simply state that someone is “nothing but a liar” and thus disregard everything said.

Moreover, I find it completely hilarious. You are so desperate to save face that you’re actually trying to spin for and protect libfreeordie and DBear because they share your sexual orientation.

Then you turn around and demand that conservatives denounce other conservatives.

northdallasthirty on February 20, 2014 at 12:30 PM

northdallasthirty on February 20, 2014 at 12:26 PM

And still…nothing. Keep deflecting, ignoring, and not providing one simple comment from one gay poster, like I’ve asked half a dozen times now.

I’ll address you again when you do, or when you admit you cannot. I return you to your incessant babbling of lies.

At least I’m not “depraved” enough to post nekkid pics of myself online like some people.

JetBoy on February 20, 2014 at 12:31 PM

atlashrugg on February 20, 2014 at 12:07 PM

Moby.

whatcat on February 20, 2014 at 12:31 PM

And still…nothing. Keep deflecting, ignoring, and not providing one simple comment from one gay poster, like I’ve asked half a dozen times now.

Actually, you’ve been given several. You simply don’t seem capable of evaluating them objectively or contradicting other gays and lesbians.

I’ll address you again when you do, or when you admit you cannot. I return you to your incessant babbling of lies.

Yawn. Petulant spoiled brat gets all petulant and stompy-footed.

At least I’m not “depraved” enough to post nekkid pics of myself online like some people.

JetBoy on February 20, 2014 at 12:31 PM

Oh, so you think online pics are depraved? Well, then, why should CPAC invite an organization like GOProud that was owned and operated by people who, by your standards, are “depraved”?

And also, since you think nakedness is “depraved”, why should conservatives associate with groups whose entire “pride” celebrations rotate around depravity?

Now run screaming away as someone else exposes you as a pathetic hypocrite who can’t live by or follow his own standards.

northdallasthirty on February 20, 2014 at 12:44 PM

GOProud shouldn’t bother. CPAC is always full of homophobes.

DisneyFan

Disneyfan? You must be a pedophile then.

If the right could get its act together, it would tell the SoCons to go pound sand.

atlashrugg

Hypocrite much, lol?

xblade on February 20, 2014 at 12:52 PM

Oh, so you think online pics are depraved? Well, then, why should CPAC invite an organization like GOProud that was owned and operated by people who, by your standards, are “depraved”?

At least he kept his pants on.

Deflect, deflect, deflect.

Still nothing to back up your claims. Come on…tempus fugits.

JetBoy on February 20, 2014 at 12:52 PM

At least he kept his pants on.

How do you know when a liberal is losing?

The goalposts start moving.

Deflect, deflect, deflect.

How do you know when a liberal is cornered and desperate?

They start doing more projecting than a 24-screen multiplex.

Still nothing to back up your claims. Come on…tempus fugits.

JetBoy on February 20, 2014 at 12:52 PM

See above. When evidence has been presented, you move the goalposts and start accusing people of homophobia.

We get it. You think you’re always right because of your sexual orientation. For conservatives, that’s an incomprehensible concept.

northdallasthirty on February 20, 2014 at 12:59 PM

atlashrugg

“I hope your tiny brain shrugs” — Ayn Rand from the grave.

Schadenfreude on February 20, 2014 at 1:12 PM

When evidence has been presented, you move the goalposts and start accusing people of homophobia.

We get it. You think you’re always right because of your sexual orientation. For conservatives, that’s an incomprehensible concept.

northdallasthirty on February 20, 2014 at 12:59 PM

I tell ya, your comedy does brighten up my day and makes me laugh…so you’re not a total loss.

Moving the goalposts? You haven’t even gotten past the line of scrimmage…or even hiked the ball! You haven’t posted one…not one…example of a comment I asked for. Not. One.

JetBoy on February 20, 2014 at 1:31 PM

Let me ask a question. Is it possible to separate the issue of same sex marriage and all the angst that comes with that topic from folks that are gay. I ask in an honest and open way. What about gays that do not have any sex? If a gay man who loves another gay man, and has a celibate life style, are they bad folks in some conservative eyes. Not trolling or making the exception the rule.

Is the issue of gays with some conservatives only about same sex marriage? Being a non-believer, I am not up on the biblical viewpoints, but my thinking is any sex outside of marriage is the same sin….fornication. Or is gay sex outside of marriage different from straight sex outside of marriage?

HonestLib on February 20, 2014 at 1:31 PM

Is the issue of gays with some conservatives only about same sex marriage? Being a non-believer, I am not up on the biblical viewpoints, but my thinking is any sex outside of marriage is the same sin….fornication. Or is gay sex outside of marriage different from straight sex outside of marriage?

HonestLib on February 20, 2014 at 1:31 PM

Finally…That is the same point I’ve been making around here for years. It’s not that homosexual sex is any worse a sin than any sexual relations outside of marriage…either premarital or extramarital.

JetBoy on February 20, 2014 at 1:38 PM

HonestLib on February 20, 2014 at 1:31 PM

The issue at hand here for conservatives is an identity-politics activist group trying to crash CPAC. That is, individuals can engage in whatever sexual activities in private and still be a full participating members of CPAC.

I know that didn’t address your questions (which were respectfully posed, by the way), just clarifying the topic that is the bone of contention here.

whatcat on February 20, 2014 at 1:44 PM

Yah northdallas30 hasn’t posted one example of libfreeordie bragging about having sex w/underage boys and then keeps pretending he has. Sorta serious allegation to toss out there if you don’t have specific examples.

brushingmyhair on February 20, 2014 at 1:44 PM

Let me ask a question. Is it possible to separate the issue of same sex marriage and all the angst that comes with that topic from folks that are gay. I ask in an honest and open way. What about gays that do not have any sex? If a gay man who loves another gay man, and has a celibate life style, are they bad folks in some conservative eyes. Not trolling or making the exception the rule.

Is the issue of gays with some conservatives only about same sex marriage? Being a non-believer, I am not up on the biblical viewpoints, but my thinking is any sex outside of marriage is the same sin….fornication. Or is gay sex outside of marriage different from straight sex outside of marriage?

HonestLib on February 20, 2014 at 1:31 PM

I believe I speak for most HotAirians – we are generally not interested in anyone’s sex lives, gay or straight.
Like whatcat said, we believe in individual rights, dignity, & responsibility – not finding our identities in our race, sexual orientation, or sex lives.
So we oppose groups or advocates who propose a different framework.

You ask fair questions. Thank you.

22044 on February 20, 2014 at 2:04 PM

So we oppose groups or advocates who propose a different framework.

I should add: and want to pass and enforce laws that build that framework at the expense of personal freedoms/rights.

22044 on February 20, 2014 at 2:09 PM

It’s not that homosexual sex is any worse a sin than any sexual relations outside of marriage…either premarital or extramarital.

JetBoy on February 20, 2014 at 1:38 PM

Which is the only thing preventing me from condemning homosexuals to hell. I don’t think God’s gonna let me stand there and say “But he was gay! At least I only slept with broads! And I didn’t have anal sex with them!”

God or not, I don’t think I’ll escape that. However, I don’t go around shoving my ‘conquests’ or methods of operation in the face of the public-at-large, nor do I feel any sense of ‘pride’ for being deviant.

Lanceman on February 20, 2014 at 2:11 PM

The people here who post the anti-gay remarks should consider that the Democratic Party wants you to be the face of the Republican Party. Is it really worth giving the Democrats the satisfaction of seeing Republican bigots? I suppose that they would fantasize anti-gay bigotry anyway, but still.

thuja on February 20, 2014 at 2:15 PM

22044 on February 20, 2014 at 2:04 PM

Yup.

whatcat on February 20, 2014 at 2:18 PM

And another thing, Jetboy. You’re being juuust a tad disingenuous asking for a link to a gay poster bragging about having sex with children.

There is no gay person here that one, would admit to it, two, would post such a statement (this ain’t NAMBLA and they know it).

And lest we consider for a microsecond that Ed, Allah or the rest of the Hee Haw gang would allow a comment such as you ask for to exist on this site any longer than it takes them to see it. And I assure you, the poster would be immediately banned and I suspect a statement of disgust by Ed like no one’s seen before.

Lanceman on February 20, 2014 at 2:18 PM

The people here who post the anti-gay remarks should consider that the Democratic Party wants you to be the face of the Republican Party. Is it really worth giving the Democrats the satisfaction of seeing Republican bigots? I suppose that they would fantasize anti-gay bigotry anyway, but still.

thuja on February 20, 2014 at 2:15 PM

So you want us to shut up so Democrats and the gay and lesbian community stop lying about us, even when you admit that they’ll lie about us anyway.

Since you only condemn us and not the liars, what seems obvious is that you support and endorse lies if they help get you what you want.

northdallasthirty on February 20, 2014 at 2:19 PM

The people here who post the anti-gay remarks should consider that the Democratic Party wants you to be the face of the Republican Party. Is it really worth giving the Democrats the satisfaction of seeing Republican bigots? I suppose that they would fantasize anti-gay bigotry anyway, but still.

thuja on February 20, 2014 at 2:15 PM

Also disingenuous.

As long as the media, Hollywood and ‘education’ are what they are, the Republicans will be whatever they want them to be.

As someone who works with many slack-jawed democrat voters, I assure you their level of bigotry and gay hate makes ME a bit uncomfortable.

And that ain’t easy to do.

Lanceman on February 20, 2014 at 2:21 PM

Let me ask a question. Is it possible to separate the issue of same sex marriage and all the angst that comes with that topic from folks that are gay.

HonestLib on February 20, 2014 at 1:31 PM

Of course.

But the gay and lesbian community, the Obama Party, and all supporters of gay-sex marriage do not want that to happen; they want it made clear that if you do not push gay-sex marriage you are a homophobe and a bigot who should be punished.

Now, let us turn that around: would you state that liberals who scream that if you don’t support gay-sex marriage that you hate all gay people — which would include Barack Obama, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, the so-called “Human Rights Campaign”, and the erstwhile leaders of GOProud — are operating disingenuously?

If so, why do you think they are so desperate to use a logical fallacy to brand all conservatives as bigots?

northdallasthirty on February 20, 2014 at 2:22 PM

And how many gays, or straights, for that matter, believe Tim Hardaway is a Republican?

Lanceman on February 20, 2014 at 2:24 PM

Yah northdallas30 hasn’t posted one example of libfreeordie bragging about having sex w/underage boys and then keeps pretending he has. Sorta serious allegation to toss out there if you don’t have specific examples.

brushingmyhair on February 20, 2014 at 1:44 PM

Funny, it didn’t stop libfreeordie or other gay-sex marriage supporters here from claiming all Catholics are pedophiles, or that Mitt Romney was a murderer who cheated on his taxes, etc etc.

Alinsky rules only fly when people are under the delusion that you are whining about the behavior of others out of some objective adherence to principles. When people know you’re a liberal f*ck who has no morals, it no longer works.

northdallasthirty on February 20, 2014 at 2:26 PM

As someone who works with many slack-jawed democrat voters, I assure you their level of bigotry and gay hate makes ME a bit uncomfortable.

And that ain’t easy to do.

Lanceman on February 20, 2014 at 2:21 PM

I grew up in a “severely” leftist family. They always said the right PC things in mixed company, and in public, but when they got home; they let the racism etc. fly.

I always knew that Dems are considered ‘tolerant’ because most of them hide their real selves. Me, I am who I am on these boards in person, and in life.

melle1228 on February 20, 2014 at 2:27 PM

Finally…That is the same point I’ve been making around here for years. It’s not that homosexual sex is any worse a sin than any sexual relations outside of marriage…either premarital or extramarital.

JetBoy on February 20, 2014 at 1:38 PM

You have it backwards, JetBoy. If I don’t condemn your sin, then wouldn’t it be wrong to condemn adulterers and fornicators? You want your own sin condoned. That’s the bottom line for you, and anyone who refuses to condone your sin is a “bigoted homophobe.”

So, I guess I’m a bigoted homophobe and fornicaphobe and adulterophobe, because I refuse to condone any sexual sin. That makes me a “hater” too, by your standards.

You’re filled with love though, for everyone, right?

JannyMae on February 20, 2014 at 2:28 PM

So you want us to shut up so Democrats and the gay and lesbian community stop lying about us, even when you admit that they’ll lie about us anyway.
northdallasthirty on February 20, 2014 at 2:19 PM

Don’t say anything against Obama either or MSNBC will say you are racist.

whatcat on February 20, 2014 at 2:28 PM

I tell ya, your comedy does brighten up my day and makes me laugh…so you’re not a total loss.

Moving the goalposts? You haven’t even gotten past the line of scrimmage…or even hiked the ball! You haven’t posted one…not one…example of a comment I asked for. Not. One.

JetBoy on February 20, 2014 at 1:31 PM

Yawn.

RULE 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions. (Pretty crude, rude and mean, huh? They want to create anger and fear.)

The secret is, JetBoy, we know you’re a liberal f*ck with no morals who will do nothing but attack. Hence you will say and do anything to get what you want because you really have no objective principles or values outside your own selfish desires and gratifications.

northdallasthirty on February 20, 2014 at 2:31 PM

Barron isn’t with GOProud anymore…
JetBoy on February 20, 2014 at 12:17 PM

If he resigned last April, why did he tender his resignation yesterday?

Maddie on February 20, 2014 at 2:33 PM

I grew up in a “severely” leftist family. They always said the right PC things in mixed company, and in public, but when they got home; they let the racism etc. fly.

I always knew that Dems are considered ‘tolerant’ because most of them hide their real selves. Me, I am who I am on these boards in person, and in life.

melle1228 on February 20, 2014 at 2:27 PM

Indeed, when Dems attack they have no qualms about making it a homosexual or racist slam.

whatcat on February 20, 2014 at 2:34 PM

I grew up in a “severely” leftist family. They always said the right PC things in mixed company, and in public, but when they got home; they let the racism etc. fly.

melle1228 on February 20, 2014 at 2:27 PM

I’m actually referring to encounters in mixed company. I’ve used the N-word plenty of times. Hell, I’ve had BLACK helpers call me that word.

But standing around with a bunch of white guys and one uses the word in a loud fashion, I cringe and look for a subtle way to get away from them. Jesus Christ, I don’t mind the word but is it absolutely necessary that they purposely appear hateful? I get disgusted just as I would if a woman starts using cringeworthy bathroom humor.

Or if I’m around a gay friend and they insist on saying “Oh, stop! I’m just a faggot!” in a loud voice. Yes, there have been numerous instances where that’s happened. It’s time to leave at that point.

Lanceman on February 20, 2014 at 2:36 PM

Lanceman on February 20, 2014 at 2:36 PM

Yeah I agree. My in laws were really big on the N word. When we had children, my husband and I forbid them from saying it around them. I can honestly say that I have never used it, and never said faggot either. That doesn’t mean I don’t make off color jokes at times. LOL– ANd I have been known to use cringeworthy bathroom humor. :)

melle1228 on February 20, 2014 at 2:42 PM

NO, it wasn’t. You still haven’t linked to one comment of libfree’s that supported or backed up your claim that he’s had zoom-zoom with young boys.

JetBoy on February 20, 2014 at 12:21 PM

The rest of us have this memorized by now.

Maddie on February 20, 2014 at 2:43 PM

Yah northdallas30 hasn’t posted one example of libfreeordie bragging about having sex w/underage boys and then keeps pretending he has. Sorta serious allegation to toss out there if you don’t have specific examples.

brushingmyhair on February 20, 2014 at 1:44 PM

Check the HA Archives.

Jetboy always ran away when the subject of Romanticizing Pederasty within the Gay Community came up.

As in TWINK!

Jetboy and a slew of Tolerance enthusiasts are always flummoxed by the mention of Twinks in these threads cause Concerned Heteronormatives aren’t supposed to bring that up.

But I suppose that’s Heteronormative Privilege or something…

workingclass artist on February 20, 2014 at 2:44 PM

The rest of us have this memorized by now.

Maddie on February 20, 2014 at 2:43 PM

yikes
c’est tout

22044 on February 20, 2014 at 2:45 PM

GOProud is representative of a community that is willing to use the courts to destroy religious freedom. They are not conservative.

Rose on February 20, 2014 at 2:45 PM

Finally…That is the same point I’ve been making around here for years. It’s not that homosexual sex is any worse a sin than any sexual relations outside of marriage…either premarital or extramarital.

JetBoy on February 20, 2014 at 1:38 PM

So, people are now agitating for premarital marriage? Or extramarital marriage?

Because what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home is none of our business, but it BECOMES our business when we are on the receiving end of a “gay rights” lawsuit.

Maddie on February 20, 2014 at 2:56 PM

Which is the only thing preventing me from condemning homosexuals to hell. I don’t think God’s gonna let me stand there and say “But he was gay! At least I only slept with broads! And I didn’t have anal sex with them!”

God or not, I don’t think I’ll escape that. However, I don’t go around shoving my ‘conquests’ or methods of operation in the face of the public-at-large, nor do I feel any sense of ‘pride’ for being deviant.

Lanceman on February 20, 2014 at 2:11 PM

It’s really no one’s place to condemn anyone to hell for anything…there’s only one who can do that.

Let me reiterate…I in no way support any of the large, Leftist liberal militant gay organizations out there. Trust me…I get in A LOT of arguments with other gays over politics. And it gets really ugly sometimes. My friends get a kick out of it tho.

Not a single one of my stances or beliefs is the result of blind following of anyone’s dogma. That includes my religious faith as a Roman Catholic, my conservative stance on most issues both fiscal and social (save for gay marriage), my pro-life stance, everything. There was a small bout of temporary insanity where I actually believe Charlie Crist had a shred of dignity left in him…but that’s another story.

Now…who’s shoving their “conquests” and/or “methods of operation” in relation to gays? It’s usually heteros who are so stuck on gay sex…not the gays. You judge all gays by the morons of the Folsom Street Fair? That’s like judging all Christians by Westboro Baptist and the Phelps freaks. I asked this of ND30 the lying troll all day…show a post by any gay poster here where anything close to “shoving in the face” or “sexual conquests” were on display. And still…nothing.

I don’t like it either…gay or straight. I don’t attend Pride parades…I’ve only been to two of them, one in Wash DC were I came out, and one in NYC where I work still today. I don’t fly a rainbow flag, but an American flag. I don’t fight Christianity, I’m at mass every Sunday. I prefer rock music to techno, sports to knitting…if you ever met me, you’d never know I’m gay.

But…I refuse to hide it. I don’t wear shirts with pink triangles on them…I don’t have a “lambda” bumper sticker, I don’t een bring it up unless the topic of discussion goes there. And there are a lot more like me than you know. There are a lot of doosh-bags too, as there are in any group of people.

Don’t condemn a whole group because of the actions of the loudest and stoopidest amongst them.

JetBoy on February 20, 2014 at 2:57 PM

Yah northdallas30 hasn’t posted one example of libfreeordie bragging about having sex w/underage boys and then keeps pretending he has. Sorta serious allegation to toss out there if you don’t have specific examples.

brushingmyhair on February 20, 2014 at 1:44 PM

Check the HA Archives.

Jetboy always ran away when the subject of Romanticizing Pederasty within the Gay Community came up.

As in TWINK!

Jetboy and a slew of Tolerance enthusiasts are always flummoxed by the mention of Twinks in these threads cause Concerned Heteronormatives aren’t supposed to bring that up.

But I suppose that’s Heteronormative Privilege or something…

workingclass artist on February 20, 2014 at 2:44 PM

LOL!!!

The ol’ “go look it up yourself” defense. From page one of the liberal playbook.

Well, more baseless accusations. Come on…socks are for your feet.

JetBoy on February 20, 2014 at 3:01 PM

But the gay and lesbian community, the Obama Party, and all supporters of gay-sex marriage do not want that to happen; they want it made clear that if you do not push gay-sex marriage you are a homophobe and a bigot who should be punished.

Now, let us turn that around: would you state that liberals who scream that if you don’t support gay-sex marriage that you hate all gay people — which would include Barack Obama, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, the so-called “Human Rights Campaign”, and the erstwhile leaders of GOProud — are operating disingenuously?

If so, why do you think they are so desperate to use a logical fallacy to brand all conservatives as bigots?
- northdallasthirty on February 20, 2014 at 2:22 PM

ND30 you are gay and a member of the gay and lesbian community. You live in San Francisco with your same-sex partner. Do you deny this? What is it with your bullying of JetBoy today. All you are doing is trolling in my humble opinion.

SC.Charlie on February 20, 2014 at 3:02 PM

What is it with your bullying of JetBoy today. All you are doing is trolling in my humble opinion.

SC.Charlie on February 20, 2014 at 3:02 PM

Today? lol..

bazil9 on February 20, 2014 at 3:05 PM

c’est tout

22044 on February 20, 2014 at 2:45 PM

Look, I don’t mind talk of sexual deviancy, but using French?

THAT, my good man, is beyond the pale….

Maddie on February 20, 2014 at 3:07 PM

Don’t condemn a whole group because of the actions of the loudest and stoopidest amongst them.

JetBoy on February 20, 2014 at 2:57 PM
+++++++++

bazil9 on February 20, 2014 at 3:08 PM

Look, I don’t mind talk of sexual deviancy, but using French?

THAT, my good man, is beyond the pale….

Maddie on February 20, 2014 at 3:07 PM

Heh!

22044 on February 20, 2014 at 3:10 PM

It’s really no one’s place to condemn anyone to hell for anything…there’s only one who can do that.

Which is why I do not. However, I can tell you to shut the fvck up about it already.

There was a small bout of temporary insanity where I actually believe Charlie Crist had a shred of dignity left in him…but that’s another story.

Was not insanity. I voted for him as many times as you did. I was quite proud that he was able to garner 42% against incumbent Pumpkinhead.

Now…who’s shoving their “conquests” and/or “methods of operation” in relation to gays?

We don’t have ‘straight pride’ threads here. And if we had even one, I’d give serious thought as to what I thought this place was.

Don’t condemn a whole group because of the actions of the loudest and stoopidest amongst them.

It’s quite easy to condemn blacks by-and-large because they continually elect the loudest, stupidest or most corrupt from among them. And if they’re caught being loud/stupid/corrupt, they double down and re-elect them.

Apologies to intelligent blacks. But, as among homosexual conservatives, you are a minority amongst your people. It’s not genetic, it just is at this point in time.

JetBoy on February 20, 2014 at 2:57 PM

Lanceman on February 20, 2014 at 3:11 PM

Sorry. That last post got messed up. The last portion should read:

Don’t condemn a whole group because of the actions of the loudest and stoopidest amongst them.

JetBoy on February 20, 2014 at 2:57 PM

It’s quite easy to condemn blacks by-and-large because they continually elect the loudest, stupidest or most corrupt from among them. And if they’re caught being loud/stupid/corrupt, they double down and re-elect them.

Apologies to intelligent blacks. But, as among homosexual conservatives, you are a minority amongst your people. It’s not genetic, it just is at this point in time.

Lanceman on February 20, 2014 at 3:14 PM

Today? lol. – bazil9 on February 20, 2014 at 3:05 PM

ND30′s doing it all the time to someone and not disclosing the fact that he is gay. How can anyone take him seriously? We need leaders in the conservative gay movement, ND30 is not one.

SC.Charlie on February 20, 2014 at 3:19 PM

ND30′s doing it all the time to someone and not disclosing the fact that he is gay. How can anyone take him seriously? We need leaders in the conservative gay movement, ND30 is not one.

SC.Charlie on February 20, 2014 at 3:19 PM

I think most of us are aware that ND30 is gay, and has a gay partner. I know I was, and I didn’t come with this batch of newbies, but the last batch.

melle1228 on February 20, 2014 at 3:22 PM

Apologies to intelligent blacks. But, as among homosexual conservatives, you are a minority amongst your people. It’s not genetic, it just is at this point in time. – Lanceman on February 20, 2014 at 3:14 PM

Lanceman, do you release that nearly 30 percent of individuals who identify as gay vote Republican? That is a far higher percentage of African-Americans who vote Republican.

SC.Charlie on February 20, 2014 at 3:26 PM

melle1228 on February 20, 2014 at 3:22 PM

You have participated on many gay related threads for some time..perhaps that is why you know. Where he can usually be found. Only reason I know.

bazil9 on February 20, 2014 at 3:29 PM

I think most of us are aware that ND30 is gay, and has a gay partner. I know I was, and I didn’t come with this batch of newbies, but the last batch. – melle1228 on February 20, 2014 at 3:22 PM

I am just making it known to the newest batch of HotAirians. ND30 conveniently refuses to disclose this fact these days.

SC.Charlie on February 20, 2014 at 3:30 PM

SC.Charlie on February 20, 2014 at 3:19 PM

ND30-He isn’t my cup of tea.

I don’t always see eye to eye with Jet but at least he is willing to
try and have a rational debate on the issues.

bazil9 on February 20, 2014 at 3:31 PM

Lanceman, do you release that nearly 30 percent of individuals who identify as gay vote Republican? That is a far higher percentage of African-Americans who vote Republican.

SC.Charlie on February 20, 2014 at 3:26 PM

Get out! Still, 29% is a severe minority. And regarding the blacks, most vote ‘rat because the ‘rats put them in a dependency cycle.

Lanceman on February 20, 2014 at 3:31 PM

And lest we forget, the ol’ Lanceman is the ONLY person here who likes libdie.

Lanceman on February 20, 2014 at 3:32 PM

You have participated on many gay related threads for some time..perhaps that is why you know. Where he can usually be found. Only reason I know. – bazil9 on February 20, 2014 at 3:29 PM

ND30 only appears on gay threads to my knowledge. I appear on threads that cover a full range of conservative topics.

SC.Charlie on February 20, 2014 at 3:33 PM

SC.Charlie on February 20, 2014 at 3:33 PM

My observation as well Charlie.

bazil9 on February 20, 2014 at 3:35 PM

ND30-He isn’t my cup of tea.

I don’t always see eye to eye with Jet but at least he is willing to
try and have a rational debate on the issues. – bazil9 on February 20, 2014 at 3:31 PM

I agree with all of what you have written above.

SC.Charlie on February 20, 2014 at 3:36 PM

I believe I speak for most HotAirians – we are generally not interested in anyone’s sex lives, gay or straight.
Like whatcat said, we believe in individual rights, dignity, & responsibility – not finding our identities in our race, sexual orientation, or sex lives.
So we oppose groups or advocates who propose a different framework.

You ask fair questions. Thank you.

22044 on February 20, 2014 at 2:04 PM

I now understand and see the blind spot I have/had when reading conservative posts about the subject. Totally understand and respect that viewpoint.

HonestLib on February 20, 2014 at 3:40 PM

ND30 only appears on gay threads to my knowledge. I appear on threads that cover a full range of conservative topics.

SC.Charlie on February 20, 2014 at 3:33 PM

Hmmm.
His credibility would improve if he posted on other threads.
If he cares about that.

22044 on February 20, 2014 at 3:42 PM

And lest we forget, the ol’ Lanceman is the ONLY person here who likes libdie.

Lanceman on February 20, 2014 at 3:32 PM

You appear to be southern and I mean that in a good way.

HonestLib on February 20, 2014 at 3:42 PM

You appear to be southern and I mean that in a good way.

HonestLib on February 20, 2014 at 3:42 PM

Ain’t gonna git no more south than me. I live in America’s penis.

Lanceman on February 20, 2014 at 3:45 PM

You appear to be southern and I mean that in a good way.

HonestLib on February 20, 2014 at 3:42 PM

Ain’t gonna git no more south than me. I live in America’s wang.

(It appears the medical term for that is forbidden.)

Lanceman on February 20, 2014 at 3:46 PM

You have participated on many gay related threads for some time..perhaps that is why you know. Where he can usually be found. Only reason I know.

bazil9 on February 20, 2014 at 3:29 PM

True..

I don’t always see eye to eye with Jet but at least he is willing to
try and have a rational debate on the issues.

bazil9 on February 20, 2014 at 3:31 PM

I agree as well. I know we go back and forth, but to my knowledge Jet has never gotten personal.

melle1228 on February 20, 2014 at 3:46 PM

Hmmm.
His credibility would improve if he posted on other threads.
If he cares about that. – 22044 on February 20, 2014 at 3:42 PM

Apparently he doesn’t have much interest any other subject than “The Gay Subject”.

SC.Charlie on February 20, 2014 at 3:47 PM

I live in America’s wang.

lmao…
We be wangers.

bazil9 on February 20, 2014 at 3:48 PM

melle1228 on February 20, 2014 at 3:46 PM

You’re not to bad yourself melle. You’re one I don’t scroll past. ;)

bazil9 on February 20, 2014 at 3:51 PM

Ain’t gonna git no more south than me. I live in America’s wang.

(It appears the medical term for that is forbidden.) – Lanceman on February 20, 2014 at 3:46 PM

I was born in Charleston way back in 1951, before the Yankees re-invaded the “Holy City” back in the 1980s. I have a slight Charleston accent.

SC.Charlie on February 20, 2014 at 3:52 PM

So much pointless ugliness…

bmmg39 on February 20, 2014 at 3:53 PM

You’re not to bad yourself melle. You’re one I don’t scroll past. ;)

bazil9 on February 20, 2014 at 3:51 PM

Aww shucks.. I like you too.. :)

melle1228 on February 20, 2014 at 3:58 PM

that comment was not of libfree bragging about having sex with underage boys. it was him stating he had an affair with an older guy and then his opinion on the age of consent, which is 16 is some states. i don’t get it.

brushingmyhair on February 20, 2014 at 4:06 PM

Don’t you have to brush your hair?

Lanceman on February 20, 2014 at 4:10 PM

i am brushing my hair AND commenting. it’s not too hard.

brushingmyhair on February 20, 2014 at 4:14 PM

Hmmm.
His credibility would improve if he posted on other threads.
If he cares about that.

22044 on February 20, 2014 at 3:42 PM

Not really.

If the best argument you can come up with is, “You’re not credible because I think you only post on gay threads,” there’s really no rational argument that can be made; you just don’t like me.

Which brings us to this:

ND30′s doing it all the time to someone and not disclosing the fact that he is gay. How can anyone take him seriously? We need leaders in the conservative gay movement, ND30 is not one.

SC.Charlie on February 20, 2014 at 3:19 PM

You don’t want leaders, SC.Charlie. You want enablers.

northdallasthirty on February 20, 2014 at 4:15 PM

It appears that civility has returned to the thread. Thank goodness.

SC.Charlie on February 20, 2014 at 4:18 PM

northdallasthirty on February 20, 2014 at 4:15 PM

Hmmm. I like you nd30 – at least for now. So it’s a non sequitur to claim otherwise if I just offer feedback that might be helpful.

22044 on February 20, 2014 at 4:24 PM

I am just making it known to the newest batch of HotAirians. ND30 conveniently refuses to disclose this fact these days.

SC.Charlie on February 20, 2014 at 3:30 PM

Apparently he doesn’t have much interest any other subject than “The Gay Subject”.

SC.Charlie on February 20, 2014 at 3:47 PM

Don’t worry, SC.Charlie.

My comment handle is a hyperlink.

Which takes you to my blog.

Which makes it clear that I am a gay man with a partner living in San Francisco, and have for several years now.

And whose first three posts are, in topic order:

- Second Amendment rights
- Welfare and entitlement abuse
- Medicare fraud

It also links to my Twitter feed, where my profile specifically states as much. It even links to my available email address.

Now, had you, or “22044″, or “bazil9″, or whomever, had just bothered to look at that in the first place, all of your questions would have been answered. You would have seen that I am hardly hiding that I am gay, my relationship status, or my interest in topics other than gayhood.

If you were interested in knowing the answers, that is. But what you were trying to do is rather impaired by those, so you ignore it.

northdallasthirty on February 20, 2014 at 4:26 PM

Big Fabulous Tent!

Murphy9 on February 20, 2014 at 4:28 PM

As always, with your help GOProud will continue building bridges within the Republican Party that foster inclusion, and reinforce freedom for everyone.

From what I’ve read, this is the exact opposite of what they’ve always done.

besser tot als rot on February 20, 2014 at 4:30 PM

So, I guess I’m a bigoted homophobe and fornicaphobe and adulterophobe, because I refuse to condone any sexual sin. That makes me a “hater” too, by your standards.

You’re filled with love though, for everyone, right?

JannyMae on February 20, 2014 at 2:28 PM

You got it! This is what the leftists and the Homos do. They repeatedly use phrases that have ‘Anti’ or ‘Hate’ in them to help move the agenda. Word games is all these people have.

Whenever one of these folks starts throwing the word homophobe around, ask them if they are a pedophilephobe or a crackwhoreaphobe. Conversation kinda dries up in a hurry.

reddevil on February 20, 2014 at 4:30 PM

You judge all gays by the morons of the Folsom Street Fair? That’s like judging all Christians by Westboro Baptist and the Phelps freaks.

JetBoy on February 20, 2014 at 2:57 PM

Not really.

Westboro Baptist is overwhelmingly condemned by the vast majority of Christians and religious believers.

Whereas the Folsom Street Fair has the endorsement of the gay and lesbian community, the Obama Party, and all gay and lesbian groups.

The basic problem is, JetBoy, you don’t have the balls to tell off the gay and lesbian community or to criticize the behavior of gay and lesbian people.

I do, and you resent the hell out of it.

Don’t condemn a whole group because of the actions of the loudest and stoopidest amongst them.

JetBoy on February 20, 2014 at 2:57 PM

Oh, that is precious.

You come in here screaming about how all conservatives are homophobes based on the actions of people you don’t like and demand we denounce them……while demanding the exact opposite for yourself in regard to the gay and lesbian community.

I will only tolerate that when you admit that gays and lesbians are morally and mentally incapable of living up to the same standards as heterosexuals, and that gays and lesbians thus must be given accomodations in behavior that are more suitable for emotionally and intellectually-immature children.

You want to be treated like an adult, JetBoy, you have to act like one. You want the privileges, but not the responsibility.

northdallasthirty on February 20, 2014 at 4:36 PM

LOL!!!

The ol’ “go look it up yourself” defense. From page one of the liberal playbook.

Well, more baseless accusations. Come on…socks are for your feet.

JetBoy on February 20, 2014 at 3:01 PM

Dude…

On countless threads wherein you plead with the rest of us to lighten up and support your agenda you have always refused to answer that.

You are engaged in Identity Politics.

You always have been.

workingclass artist on February 20, 2014 at 4:40 PM

ND30′s doing it all the time to someone and not disclosing the fact that he is gay. How can anyone take him seriously? We need leaders in the conservative gay movement, ND30 is not one.

SC.Charlie on February 20, 2014 at 3:19 PM

I think most of us are aware that ND30 is gay, and has a gay partner. I know I was, and I didn’t come with this batch of newbies, but the last batch.

melle1228 on February 20, 2014 at 3:22 PM

We need leaders in the conservative gay movement

When is Identity Politics conservative?

workingclass artist on February 20, 2014 at 4:45 PM

When is Identity Politics conservative?

workingclass artist on February 20, 2014 at 4:45 PM

When it’s discussed among those who believe it’s possible to be socially liberal and fiscally conservative.

Lanceman on February 20, 2014 at 4:50 PM

When is Identity Politics conservative?

workingclass artist on February 20, 2014 at 4:45 PM

When it’s discussed among those who believe it’s possible to be socially liberal and fiscally conservative.

Lanceman on February 20, 2014 at 4:50 PM

So in other words…

Fascist Light?

workingclass artist on February 20, 2014 at 5:03 PM

When is Identity Politics conservative?

workingclass artist on February 20, 2014 at 4:45 PM

When it’s discussed among those who believe it’s possible to be socially liberal and fiscally conservative.

Lanceman on February 20, 2014 at 4:50 PM

Or maybe Relative Conservatism…or Conservative Relativism…

workingclass artist on February 20, 2014 at 5:04 PM

Whereas the Folsom Street Fair has the endorsement of the gay and lesbian community, the Obama Party, and all gay and lesbian groups.

northdallasthirty on February 20, 2014 at 4:36 PM

Really? I’m curious (and very skeptical) if GOProud endorses the FSF.

Or, which I think is more likely, that ND30 is speaking from his rectum…

JohnGalt23 on February 20, 2014 at 5:23 PM

Or maybe Relative Conservatism…or Conservative Relativism… – workingclass artist on February 20, 2014 at 5:04 PM

All politics is identity politics. In the Federalist Papers the all the writers refer to political factions. With what faction or group of factions do you identify?

SC.Charlie on February 20, 2014 at 5:33 PM

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