GOProud returns to CPAC …

posted at 10:01 am on February 20, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

Call this a rapprochement and a step in the right direction, but …. it’s not quite a return, either. CPAC and the gay-conservative group GOProud buried the hatchet from the last couple of years, when the American Conservative Union board rejected the group as a sponsor of CPAC. They’re still not going to be a sponsor at CPAC 2014, but at least the ACU and CPAC are rolling out a welcome mat:

The annual debate over CPAC’s participants and focus reflects the broader, ongoing dialogue over growing the conservative movement and the Republican Party without compromising core principles. Gay rights are a major part of that debate, as conservative groups remain firmly opposed to gay marriage despite polls showing increasing and majority support.

The dispute with GOProud dates back to 2011, when a number of socially conservative groups, including the Heritage Foundation and the Family Research Council, objected to the group’s involvement and declined to participate. Insults were traded between GOProud leaders and ACU board members, culminating in the group’s exclusion.

Two former GOProud summer interns, Ross Hemminger and Matt Bechstein, took over last summer and sought to repair the bitterly frayed relationship. Under a compromise reached last week, they will attend the March 6-8 gathering as guests, without sponsorship or a booth. GOProud sees the lower-profile role as an important first step.

“We really just want to be part of the conservative movement,” said Hemminger, a veteran of the losing Senate campaigns by Scott Brown and Gabriel Gomez in Massachusetts. “We want to establish a fruitful and respectful relationship.”

Dan Schneider, executive director of the ACU, praised the GOProud directors for their “new vision” of promoting conservative principles from gun rights to opposition to abortion.

GOProud announced that it would attend on its website:

In the article we sit down with Beth Reinhard to discuss some of the latest happenings at GOProud, including some recent leadership transitions, the midterm elections, and yes, our plans for attending CPAC 2014!

As always, with your help GOProud will continue building bridges within the Republican Party that foster inclusion, and reinforce freedom for everyone.

The issue at the 2010 and 2011 CPAC conferences wasn’t about attendance, though, but sponsorship. That began in December 2009 when the group was first added to the roster of sponsors. A year later, even with their role reduced to “participating organization,” their presence touched off a boycott. After Sarah Palin defended their presence at CPAC 2011, which prompted a demand from one conservative group for her to “clarify” her position on social issues. Shortly afterward, CPAC dumped GOProud for the rhetoric that resulted from the avalanche of criticism, and that’s where things stood until this week.

However, there was never a ban on attendance for GOProud members — only a resolve not to include the group as a sponsor or “participating organization,” which would have allowed them a booth in the exhibitor hall. Individual members were always allowed to attend as such, although with the hostile rhetoric, it wasn’t a big surprise to see a lack of enthusiasm for doing so. This new rapprochement still leaves GOProud off the list of participating organizations — for now — but at least allows for cooler heads and saner rhetoric at present. Perhaps that will create a more friendly atmosphere, which hopefully will result in unity along the vast majority of conservative principles shared by all sides.

It’s not a new status, but perhaps a long-overdue fresh start. We need fiscal conservatives and small-government activists to unite in 2014, and that is what CPAC is supposed to facilitate, rather than division and disunity.

Addendum: Just for full disclosure, Townhall is one of the sponsors for CPAC 2014.

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Wonderful…

OmahaConservative on February 20, 2014 at 10:02 AM

Ah, too bad libdie quit earlier this morning!

Lanceman on February 20, 2014 at 10:04 AM

GOProud continues to push identity & class politics, which cannot be reconciled with conservative principles.

Let them attend as guests like anyone else. Nothing further.

22044 on February 20, 2014 at 10:04 AM

Ah, too bad libdie quit earlier this morning!

Lanceman on February 20, 2014 at 10:04 AM

Where?
Probably not for long.

22044 on February 20, 2014 at 10:05 AM

Ah, too bad libdie quit earlier this morning!

Lanceman on February 20, 2014 at 10:04 AM

Quit what?

OmahaConservative on February 20, 2014 at 10:05 AM

Yeah because the two idiots that supported McAuliffe in Virginia don’t run it anymore. If the new leaders are “conservative” only time will tell.

melle1228 on February 20, 2014 at 10:08 AM

Where?
Probably not for long.

22044 on February 20, 2014 at 10:05 AM

Quit what?

OmahaConservative on February 20, 2014 at 10:05 AM

Iibfree flounced out in the first page of comments on the Obamacare question thread, but not without a petulant rant.

Jeff Weimer on February 20, 2014 at 10:12 AM

The annual debate over CPAC’s participants and focus reflects the broader, ongoing dialogue over growing the conservative movement and the Republican Party without compromising core principles.

This is pretty funny, considering at least the last two or three GOP nominees for president were leftist. That is not compromising the party’s core principles, but allowing conservative gays to sponsor a conservative event is…

Federati on February 20, 2014 at 10:15 AM

Iibfree flounced out in the first page of comments on the Obamacare question thread, but not without a petulant rant.

Jeff Weimer on February 20, 2014 at 10:12 AM

It was tragic.

I’m still welling up, just thinking about it.

bigmacdaddy on February 20, 2014 at 10:16 AM

Ah, too bad libdie quit earlier this morning!

Lanceman on February 20, 2014 at 10:04 AM

Quit what?

OmahaConservative on February 20, 2014 at 10:05 AM

…ejaculating?

KOOLAID2 on February 20, 2014 at 10:17 AM

Jeff Weimer on February 20, 2014 at 10:12 AM

Ahhh, thanks Jeff. I’ll go look for it…

OmahaConservative on February 20, 2014 at 10:17 AM

GOProud continues to push identity & class politics, which cannot be reconciled with conservative principles.

Let them attend as guests like anyone else. Nothing further.

22044 on February 20, 2014 at 10:04 AM

And why are the words “proud” and “pride” so often included in the names of gay/lesbian (i.e. those based on homosexual behavior) groups? I could see military groups, those who serve others, serve the poor, I don’t know. But because of the way you have sex? Proud? Prideful? Really?

LashRambo on February 20, 2014 at 10:18 AM

Eh, this whole think is so stupid.

GOProud should be allowed to participate.

gwelf on February 20, 2014 at 10:19 AM

libby will be…back in 10 minutes.

22044 on February 20, 2014 at 10:19 AM

libby will be…back in 10 minutes.

22044 on February 20, 2014 at 10:19 AM

Ha ha ha

gwelf on February 20, 2014 at 10:20 AM

And why are the words “proud” and “pride” so often included in the names of gay/lesbian (i.e. those based on homosexual behavior) groups? I could see military groups, those who serve others, serve the poor, I don’t know. But because of the way you have sex? Proud? Prideful? Really?

LashRambo on February 20, 2014 at 10:18 AM

Excellent points, and well said.

22044 on February 20, 2014 at 10:20 AM

libby will be…back in 10 minutes.

22044 on February 20, 2014 at 10:19 AM

It promised it would be gone until at least the end of the semester.

Is it too early in the day to celebrate?

bigmacdaddy on February 20, 2014 at 10:20 AM

It’s all about CPAC appeasing the groups they get the most interest from…the same organizations that moved to boycott CPAC if GOProud were invited as sponsors again. The reason for their boycott? Having gays at the conservative conference. That’s it.

It’s an embarrassment to all conservatives that CPAC capitulated to those groups.

JetBoy on February 20, 2014 at 10:22 AM

It promised it would be gone until at least the end of the semester.

Is it too early in the day to celebrate?

bigmacdaddy on February 20, 2014 at 10:20 AM

Heh – go for it!

I hope his “Mom” shows up somewhere. She’s hilarious!

22044 on February 20, 2014 at 10:24 AM

It’s an embarrassment to all conservatives that CPAC capitulated to those groups.

JetBoy on February 20, 2014 at 10:22 AM

You know what else is an embarrassment? Grover Norquist’s continuing association with Suhail Khan. But you’ll never hear that mentioned in a HotAir post. Or a Townhall.com article.

gryphon202 on February 20, 2014 at 10:24 AM

Good news for everyone – I say welcome back.

jake-the-goose on February 20, 2014 at 10:26 AM

I hope his “Mom” shows up somewhere. She’s hilarious!

22044 on February 20, 2014 at 10:24 AM

I saw that. Exceptionally well-played.

bigmacdaddy on February 20, 2014 at 10:26 AM

The cause of liberty is far greater than stressing about who sleeps with whom.

307wolverine on February 20, 2014 at 10:27 AM

It’s all about CPAC appeasing the groups they get the most interest from…the same organizations that moved to boycott CPAC if GOProud were invited as sponsors again. The reason for their boycott? Having gays at the conservative conference. That’s it.

It’s an embarrassment to all conservatives that CPAC capitulated to those groups.

JetBoy on February 20, 2014 at 10:22 AM

Or it could have been the caustic leadership of Silvia and Barron. I mean that couldn’t be it at all..? Two idiots that supported McAuliffe over a conservative.

melle1228 on February 20, 2014 at 10:27 AM

It is good to see that people aligned on fundamental conservative principles have actually negotiated and litigated their personal differences.

Building a winning coalition requires some type of compromise from all participants. Everyone, and I mean everyone needs to remember that.

We do, and will continue to have, personal differences with other party members. Whether they are cultural, social or based on some other individual nuance, that diversity of opinion only makes us stronger as a group. But we should agree to disagree and focus where we can build a common understanding.

We pride ourselves on having factual, substantive discussions and philosophical exchanges. Continuing that tradition will only bring good results.

Marcus Traianus on February 20, 2014 at 10:29 AM

You know what else is an embarrassment? Grover Norquist’s continuing association with Suhail Khan. But you’ll never hear that mentioned in a HotAir post. Or a Townhall.com article.

gryphon202 on February 20, 2014 at 10:24 AM

What you also don’t hear is our resident gay marriage supporters calling out GOProud’s former leaders who supported McAuliffe.

melle1228 on February 20, 2014 at 10:29 AM

libby will be…back in 10 minutes.

22044 on February 20, 2014 at 10:19 AM

His Mom is making him clean his room.

307wolverine on February 20, 2014 at 10:30 AM

You know what else is an embarrassment? Grover Norquist’s continuing association with Suhail Khan. But you’ll never hear that mentioned in a HotAir post. Or a Townhall.com article.
gryphon202 on February 20, 2014 at 10:24 AM

What is that about?

bluegill on February 20, 2014 at 10:30 AM

…the new…normal!

KOOLAID2 on February 20, 2014 at 10:31 AM

All eyes on them and they don’t have to pay anything! Sweet deal.

Cindy Munford on February 20, 2014 at 10:31 AM

Silvia

* La Salvia

melle1228 on February 20, 2014 at 10:32 AM

You know what else is an embarrassment? Grover Norquist’s continuing association with Suhail Khan. But you’ll never hear that mentioned in a HotAir post. Or a Townhall.com article.
gryphon202 on February 20, 2014 at 10:24 AM

What is that about?

bluegill on February 20, 2014 at 10:30 AM

Suhail Khan has Muslim Brotherhood connections, and sits on the board of the American Conservative Union of which Grover Norquist is the chairman. Norquist, in turn, married a Muslim woman who, to my knowledge, has yet to publicly renounce jihad.

gryphon202 on February 20, 2014 at 10:34 AM

And why are the words “proud” and “pride” so often included in the names of gay/lesbian…

LashRambo on February 20, 2014 at 10:18 AM

Words have multiple meanings. You’re thinking of the most common definition: being satisfied at accomplishing something. Obviously your sexual orientation is not an accomplishment. Although they may be referring to the accomplishment of destroying traditional values, I think they just have a high opinion of themselves, as though being gay is especially good.

Fenris on February 20, 2014 at 10:34 AM

Well, now we know that ACU and CPAC aren’t conservative.

There are a few litmus tests for conservatives. The primary one is right to life. Very close behind are moral standards.

People that celebrate/brag about their deviant sexual behavior are not conservative. People who embrace and/or approve of such people are not conservative.

A rose by any other name is still a rose. Something else that calls itself a rose does not become a rose.

These people are the enemies of America, even more so than leftists.

platypus on February 20, 2014 at 10:35 AM

All eyes on them and they don’t have to pay anything! Sweet deal.

Cindy Munford on February 20, 2014 at 10:31 AM

Everyone has their 5 minutes, or 10

jake-the-goose on February 20, 2014 at 10:35 AM

platypus on February 20, 2014 at 10:35 AM

They are reinviting Christie.. That should tell you all you need to know about CPAC..

melle1228 on February 20, 2014 at 10:36 AM

They are reinviting Christie.. That should tell you all you need to know about CPAC..

melle1228 on February 20, 2014 at 10:36 AM

The Muslim Brotherhood ACU owes Christie a big debt after Christie’s appointment of Suhail Mohammed to a NJ Superior Court judgeship.

gryphon202 on February 20, 2014 at 10:37 AM

GOProud shouldn’t bother. CPAC is always full of homophobes. Better to work and communicate with reasonable right-wing people elsewhere.

DisneyFan on February 20, 2014 at 10:38 AM

GOProud shouldn’t bother. CPAC is always full of homophobes. Better to work and communicate with reasonable right-wing people elsewhere.

DisneyFan on February 20, 2014 at 10:38 AM

CPAC is full of Islamophiles, too. I find that to be the much bigger scandal.

gryphon202 on February 20, 2014 at 10:40 AM

GOProud shouldn’t bother. CPAC is always full of homophobes.

DisneyFan on February 20, 2014 at 10:38 AM

Society is full of homophobes – still have to engage it.

jake-the-goose on February 20, 2014 at 10:40 AM

GOProud shouldn’t bother. CPAC is always full of homophobes. Better to work and communicate with reasonable right-wing people elsewhere.

DisneyFan on February 20, 2014 at 10:38 AM

Yeah because making huge generalizations about people you don’t know is “reasonable.” You would blend right into your idea of what CPAC is.

melle1228 on February 20, 2014 at 10:41 AM

Or it could have been the caustic leadership of Silvia and Barron. I mean that couldn’t be it at all..? Two idiots that supported McAuliffe over a conservative.

melle1228 on February 20, 2014 at 10:27 AM

Neither Barron nor Silvia are with GOProud anymore. So that notion flies out the window.

And the groups that proposed a boycott of CPAC did so long before that. Again, the reason was simple: “We don’t want gays at CPAC”. If you can find some other reason for those groups to want GOProud excluded, I’d absolutely love to see it.

Bottom line, if the ACU had a spine, they’d have reiterated that its they who should decide who is allowed to be a sponsor and who isn’t. Yet, they crumbled when a few large anti-gay groups put up a hissy fit about gays being invited…based solely on their being…gay.

JetBoy on February 20, 2014 at 10:42 AM

They are reinviting Christie.. That should tell you all you need to know about CPAC..

melle1228 on February 20, 2014 at 10:36 AM

True enough. But at least Christie’s demographic is more than 3%. With all the fawning and supplication people are doing to this one little group, you’d think a third of the country was deviant.

Other than a third just being leftists. :)

platypus on February 20, 2014 at 10:42 AM

GOProud continues to push identity & class politics, which cannot be reconciled with conservative principles.
Let them attend as guests like anyone else. Nothing further.
22044 on February 20, 2014 at 10:04 AM

I am sick of there being separate special “black” groups and “gay” groups and “Latino” groups, etc. This approach and the group identity politics are not compatible with conservative principles, as you say.

Would anyone be bothered if there are conservative activists who are gay (as opposed to “gay identity activists” who see their sexual orientation group membership as their defining characteristic) involved at the conference? Maybe a few, but I doubt the vast majority here would even give it a second thought. I wish we could stop promoting the idea that it is good to first define yourself as a member of an ethnic or sexual orientation group. Conservatives, especially, should not fall into the group identity politics trap!

bluegill on February 20, 2014 at 10:43 AM

Neither Barron nor Silvia are with GOProud anymore. So that notion flies out the window.

And the groups that proposed a boycott of CPAC did so long before that. Again, the reason was simple: “We don’t want gays at CPAC”. If you can find some other reason for those groups to want GOProud excluded, I’d absolutely love to see it.

Bottom line, if the ACU had a spine, they’d have reiterated that its they who should decide who is allowed to be a sponsor and who isn’t. Yet, they crumbled when a few large anti-gay groups put up a hissy fit about gays being invited…based solely on their being…gay.

JetBoy on February 20, 2014 at 10:42 AM

My point was that maybe the reason there was an issue the last few years had less to do with the group’s homosexual tendencies and more to do with the groups leadership. Barron and LaSalvia were whiny, demanding bi+ches in public. I can’t even imagine how they are behind the scenes. Maybe the reason this year is different because the leadership.

melle1228 on February 20, 2014 at 10:43 AM

“GOProud” is also a cringe-worthy, corny, ridiculous name.

bluegill on February 20, 2014 at 10:45 AM

People that celebrate/brag about their deviant sexual behavior are not conservative. People who embrace and/or approve of such people are not conservative.

A rose by any other name is still a rose. Something else that calls itself a rose does not become a rose.

These people are the enemies of America, even more so than leftists.

platypus on February 20, 2014 at 10:35 AM

LOL! Oh how I’ve missed your comedy routine.

Well, today I learned that I am now an “enemy of America” because I’m a gay dude who won’t stay in the closet. Jeebus, does this mean I should take down my American flag at my home, and raise a rainbow flag while stomping around on the starts and stripes?

You’re funny.

JetBoy on February 20, 2014 at 10:45 AM

Or it could have been the caustic leadership of Silvia and Barron. I mean that couldn’t be it at all..? Two idiots that supported McAuliffe over a conservative.

melle1228 on February 20, 2014 at 10:27 AM

There is a point where a politician’s homophobia will become such an issue that gays will not support them. No one really wants to be a Jew for Hitler. I voted for Rick Santorum’s opponent in the Senate race, and I would do it again.

Yet, I will agree supporting McAuliffe was a mistake. Refusing to endorse Cuccinelli was the only valid alternative to supporting him, if you want to be a team player. I would have endorsed Cuccinelli.

thuja on February 20, 2014 at 10:46 AM

jake-the-goose on February 20, 2014 at 10:35 AM

Minutes? It seems like years…..decades. I’m so sick of the “What about me!??” mentality.

Cindy Munford on February 20, 2014 at 10:49 AM

My point was that maybe the reason there was an issue the last few years had less to do with the group’s homosexual tendencies and more to do with the groups leadership.

“Homosexual tendencies”? Really?

Barron and LaSalvia were whiny, demanding bi+ches in public. I can’t even imagine how they are behind the scenes. Maybe the reason this year is different because the leadership.

melle1228 on February 20, 2014 at 10:43 AM

Nothing is different this year, Melle. GOProud is still denied sponsorship. They’re only allowed as “guests”. Again, neither Barron nor Silvia are with the organization…so if it was them that were the reasons for certain groups to boycott CPAC, what’s the excuse this time?

JetBoy on February 20, 2014 at 10:50 AM

LOL! Oh how I’ve missed your comedy routine.

Well, today I learned that I am now an “enemy of America” because I’m a gay dude who won’t stay in the closet. Jeebus, does this mean I should take down my American flag at my home, and raise a rainbow flag while stomping around on the starts and stripes?

You’re funny.

JetBoy on February 20, 2014 at 10:45 AM

What’s funny is that he’s probably as sexually deviant as the gays he so despises.

Federati on February 20, 2014 at 10:50 AM

the reason was simple: “We don’t want gays at CPAC”. If you can find some other reason for those groups to want GOProud excluded, I’d absolutely love to see it.

JetBoy on February 20, 2014 at 10:42 AM

That reason is more than enough. Deviants are not conservatives, even though they may do some things in a conservative manner or talk a good game on blogs.

The end of this discussion should have been Lawrence v Texas, which is the ultimate protection. But no, instead it’s being used as a springboard or a starting point.

Y’all can have your CPAC bullpucky hoedown. But it ain’t conservative. It should change its name to LPAC or APAC (libertarian or anarchy).

platypus on February 20, 2014 at 10:51 AM

And also, Melle…I’ve never seen anything from the boycotting groups that stated the reason as being GOProud leadership. If you know womething I don’t, please enlighten me.

JetBoy on February 20, 2014 at 10:52 AM

I’m so sick of the “What about me!??” mentality.

Cindy Munford on February 20, 2014 at 10:49 AM

You’re not kidding – imagine the Thread that subject would create.

jake-the-goose on February 20, 2014 at 10:52 AM

I always find the amount of emotion generated by this topic amusing. I have worked side by side, supervised, and been subordinate to gays during my Navy career. It’s no big deal. Since I adopt a live-and-let-live attitude, there was no need for the anger/emotion. We could talk about other things, like: food, sports, cars, etc…. All I ask from gays is the same thing I ask from heteroes… just be discreet. I’m not the least bit interested in your love life, and you’re probably not interested in mine.

307wolverine on February 20, 2014 at 10:53 AM

*womething….I meant something.

JetBoy on February 20, 2014 at 10:53 AM

Yes, we had to ground libfreeordie. We are removing his computer privileges until he gets his grades back up.

Don’t worry, he’ll be back.

libfreesMom on February 20, 2014 at 10:48 AM

From the 8:01 thread

22044 on February 20, 2014 at 10:53 AM

There is a point where a politician’s homophobia will become such an issue that gays will not support them. No one really wants to be a Jew for Hitler. I voted for Rick Santorum’s opponent in the Senate race, and I would do it again.

Yet, I will agree supporting McAuliffe was a mistake. Refusing to endorse Cuccinelli was the only valid alternative to supporting him, if you want to be a team player. I would have endorsed Cuccinelli.

thuja on February 20, 2014 at 10:46 AM </blockquote

Cuccinelli's support was the only problem with Barron and LaSilvia's leadership. It was just the culmination. Two people who would support someone like McAuliffe because of ONE issue has no place at a "CONSERVATIVE" convention.

As I said to Jet, both of them were demanding and whiny in public. I can't even imagine how they deal with people behind the scenes. Not everyone has a problem with GOProud because they are "gay."

CPAC Welcomes Obama and McAuliffe Supporters

Posted by V the K at 6:00 pm – February 19, 2014.
Filed under: CPAC2013

GOProud has been welcomed back to CPAC this year, as has Governor Chris Christie. So, will there be any actual conservatives at CPAC 2014?

Update: Chris Barron, the former GOProud leadership who endorsed corrupt Clinton crony Terry McAuliffe in the VA Gorvernor’s race has not been a part of the COProud leadership for a while. Also, he pitched a snit about GOProud making amends with CPAC.

And then he resigned.

Chris Christie remains unacceptably liberal.
http://www.gaypatriot.net/2014/02/19/cpac-welcomes-obama-and-mcauliffe-supporters/#more-65641

melle1228 on February 20, 2014 at 10:53 AM

Suhail Khan has Muslim Brotherhood connections, and sits on the board of the American Conservative Union of which Grover Norquist is the chairman. Norquist, in turn, married a Muslim woman who, to my knowledge, has yet to publicly renounce jihad.
gryphon202 on February 20, 2014 at 10:34 AM

Very interesting. I had forgotten about that. Totally agree with you on this.

I am disappointed that this gets practically no coverage on the site. And didn’t Robert Spencer used to be a contributor here?

bluegill on February 20, 2014 at 10:53 AM

Nothing is different this year, Melle. GOProud is still denied sponsorship. They’re only allowed as “guests”. Again, neither Barron nor Silvia are with the organization…so if it was them that were the reasons for certain groups to boycott CPAC, what’s the excuse this time?

JetBoy on February 20, 2014 at 10:50 AM
</blockquote

Maybe because people don't believe they are conservative. Gay Patriot had a blog stating that. I highly doubt that the bloggers at the Gay Patriot site are stating that because they are "homophobic."

melle1228 on February 20, 2014 at 10:55 AM

I am disappointed that this gets practically no coverage on the site. And didn’t Robert Spencer used to be a contributor here?

bluegill on February 20, 2014 at 10:53 AM

Robert Spencer’s “Blogging the Qu’ran” series can be found in its entirety on his site at jihadwatch.org

Which reminds me, there was a little dustup not that long ago concerning Spencer and a “People’s Choice” blogger award that John Hawkins of RightWingNews was administrating.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/03/the-grovers-choice-award-jihad-watch-wins-cpac-award-barred-from-receiving-it

gryphon202 on February 20, 2014 at 10:55 AM

I don’t get it, what is there to be proud about? Sodomy?

Cleombrotus on February 20, 2014 at 10:56 AM

Maybe because people don’t believe they are conservative. Gay Patriot had a blog stating that. I highly doubt that the bloggers at the Gay Patriot site are stating that because they are “homophobic.”

melle1228 on February 20, 2014 at 10:55 AM

Again, that was not a reason stated for the original boycott proposal by certain groups. Point is, the threatened boycott of CPAC was based solely on allowing a gay organization at the conference.

Stop making excuses for them…unless you have any actual evidence to support your “guesses”.

JetBoy on February 20, 2014 at 10:58 AM

What’s funny is that he’s probably as sexually deviant as the gays he so despises.

Federati on February 20, 2014 at 10:50 AM

Not sure what you’re trying to say here but whether I am or am not is something you’ll never know because I have enough class to keep my private activities private. Unlike the hypocritical deviants who tell people to stay out of their bedrooms but they either leave their bedroom doors wide open or they do bedroom activities outside the bedroom.

And demand to be approved by those they despise. Well, why don’t you just go somewhere else and satisfy yourself without my approval?

platypus on February 20, 2014 at 11:00 AM

They are reinviting Christie.. That should tell you all you need to know about CPAC..

melle1228 on February 20, 2014 at 10:36 AM

But he’s lost 100 lbs. and he looks just fabulous!

*snicker*

workingclass artist on February 20, 2014 at 11:00 AM

Oh joy. Identity politics. And here I thought those with conservative principles were above that. Good job cpac.

nobar on February 20, 2014 at 11:01 AM

jake-the-goose on February 20, 2014 at 10:52 AM

It would be a goody. The hosts should try it. I would personally be part of the “leave me alone” contingent.

Cindy Munford on February 20, 2014 at 11:02 AM

The rising tide against GOProud appears to have had an effect. In a recent interview on the FrumForum, Al Cardenas, the incoming head of the American Conservative Union, the group responsible for CPAC, stated that “it’s going to be difficult to continue the relationship” with GOProud. From the FrumForum:

Cardenas, who was selected yesterday to replace outgoing chairman David Keene, told FrumForum that he disapproved of GOProud’s response to the furor.

“I have been disappointed with their website and their quotes in the media, taunting organizations that are respected in our movement and part of our movement, and that’s not acceptable. And that puts them in a difficult light in terms of how I view things,” said Cardenas

Cardenas made it clear, however, that the issues with GOProud were not limited to reaction and personal attacks, but ideology as well. Cardenas stated that he will prioritize the “true friends” of the ACU. From the FrumForum:

Asked about whether he values a big tent approach to conservatism, Cardenas said that he did – but that his vision applied principally to reaching out to different minorities and ethnic groups.

“There are not enough African-Americans, Hispanics and other minorities here. That diversity is critical – you don’t need to change your value system to attract more diversity into the movement… [but] I’m not going to – for the sake of being inclusive – change the principles that have made the movement what it is,” said Cardenas.

“David [Keene] invited these folks [GOProud] in an effort to be inclusive… Having friends of ours leaving… presents difficulties to me,” he said. “There’s always going to be some tension, [but] there should never be any tension between time-tested values.”

Asked if someone who supported gay marriage could be a conservative, Cardenas replied, “Not a Ronald Reagan conservative… I will say this: we adopted a resolution unanimously at ACU advocating traditional marriage between a man and a woman, so that answers how we feel on the issue.”

Cardenas says that his priorities as the new ACU chairman will be focused on “making sure that our true friends never leave the table.”

Yeah Jet, because it had NOTHING to do with GOProud’s leadership..
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2011/02/11/cpac-sides-with-social-conservatives-in-goproud/176293

melle1228 on February 20, 2014 at 11:03 AM

Not sure what you’re trying to say here but whether I am or am not is something you’ll never know because I have enough class to keep my private activities private.

platypus on February 20, 2014 at 11:00 AM

Ahh, that’s it. Well then, you must be able to find a ton of comments from me here wherein I describe my sexual encounters in all it’s deviant glory. And all the other gay posters here…maybe they have a bunch of comments that detail all kinds of sexual depravity.

So please…find just one comment over the years from any gay poster here that backs up your inane, ridiculous accusation. Snap it up!

JetBoy on February 20, 2014 at 11:04 AM

What if GOProud was disallowed sponsorship because of the anti-gay leanings of certain of the ACU board’s Islamic members?

/FoodForThought

gryphon202 on February 20, 2014 at 11:05 AM

Which reminds me, there was a little dustup not that long ago concerning Spencer and a “People’s Choice” blogger award that John Hawkins of RightWingNews was administrating.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/03/the-grovers-choice-award-jihad-watch-wins-cpac-award-barred-from-receiving-it

gryphon202 on February 20, 2014 at 10:55 AM

Wow, I need to go back to reading more blogs, including those that you mentioned. I miss out on a lot in primarily just visiting this one.

Sadly, HotAir has totally dropped the ball when it comes to covering the threat of jihad.

Why does Norquist have so much influence? As people here know, he is also totally pro-illegal alien amnesty.

bluegill on February 20, 2014 at 11:05 AM

Yeah Jet, because it had NOTHING to do with GOProud’s leadership..
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2011/02/11/cpac-sides-with-social-conservatives-in-goproud/176293

melle1228 on February 20, 2014 at 11:03 AM

MediaMatters? David Frum?

What…nothing on DailyKos or DemocraticUnderground?

JetBoy on February 20, 2014 at 11:07 AM

Why does Norquist have so much influence? As people here know, he is also totally pro-illegal alien amnesty.

bluegill on February 20, 2014 at 11:05 AM

Norquist has made a big show of ineffectual tax protests and making congressweasels sign non-binding pledges not to raise taxes. He knows how to tell the little people what they want to hear.

gryphon202 on February 20, 2014 at 11:10 AM

MediaMatters? David Frum?

What…nothing on DailyKos or DemocraticUnderground?

JetBoy on February 20, 2014 at 11:07 AM

Figured a leftist publication would be considered less bias to gay issues.

Furthermore, it doesn’t change the fact that GOProud were actively and publically attacking other conservative organizations, and then acting all ferclemped when the same groups didn’t want anything to do with them.

You can’t have it both ways. A ‘big tent” meanes ALSO getting along with Conservatives that you automatically deem homophobic.

melle1228 on February 20, 2014 at 11:13 AM

Well, today I learned that I am now an “enemy of America” because I’m a gay dude who won’t stay in the closet. Jeebus, does this mean I should take down my American flag at my home, and raise a rainbow flag while stomping around on the starts and stripes?
You’re funny.
JetBoy on February 20, 2014 at 10:45 AM

Well, JetBoy, yesterday we learned that you believe religious freedom and liberty are limited only to the clergy and that everyone else has to be forced to do whatever you want because you’re gay.

So yeah, I don’t know why you bother flying the American flag, because your loyalty is clearly to gay-sex bigots and not to Americans.

northdallasthirty on February 20, 2014 at 11:13 AM

Well, JetBoy, yesterday we learned that you believe religious freedom and liberty are limited only to the clergy and that everyone else has to be forced to do whatever you want because you’re gay.

So yeah, I don’t know why you bother flying the American flag, because your loyalty is clearly to gay-sex bigots and not to Americans.

northdallasthirty on February 20, 2014 at 11:13 AM

My favorite plaything is back!

I have faith that, even those with whom I vehemently disagree with on some topics, people will know you’re a liar and have about a zero credibility rating. Unless you can can show everyone where I said what you accuse me of, then stay under the bridge with the other trolls.

JetBoy on February 20, 2014 at 11:21 AM

I don’t get it, what is there to be proud about? Sodomy?
Cleombrotus on February 20, 2014 at 10:56 AM

Next up – CPAC honors “GOPNAMBLA” and “GOProudFeet”, the shoe fetish community.

whatcat on February 20, 2014 at 11:22 AM

So please…find just one comment over the years from any gay poster here that backs up your inane, ridiculous accusation. Snap it up!
JetBoy on February 20, 2014 at 11:04 AM

Do you REALLY want us to quote the numerous times libfreeordie bragged about having sex with underage boys?

Here’s a lesson for you, JetBoy: had you spent more of your time screaming at your fellow gay-sex bigots, then you might have more credibility in criticizing conservatives. But since all you do is criticize conservatives and support pedophiles like libfreeordie, you can reap the results.

northdallasthirty on February 20, 2014 at 11:27 AM

northdallasthirty on February 20, 2014 at 11:13 AM

You Rock Dude!

workingclass artist on February 20, 2014 at 11:28 AM

You can’t have it both ways. A ‘big tent” meanes ALSO getting along with Conservatives that you automatically deem homophobic.

melle1228 on February 20, 2014 at 11:13 AM

Who called them “homophobic”?

So only certain conservative groups are allowed to criticize other conservative groups? And who says which groups can, and which groups needs to shut up and tow the line? Since CPAC is a conference of the ACU, then the ACU should decide…not a bunch of groups that are anti-gay to being with putting up a hissy fit about a gay group as a fellow sponsor…based ONLY ON THE FACT THAT THEY ARE GAY. You’ve shown nothing to the contrary, Melle. You can throw out guesses and ideas but bottom line, GOProud was excluded, and still is, because it’s a gay org. Nothing more, nothing less.

You know I love ya…and I say all this not to bash you with. Even tho you sully up my computer screen with Lefty liberal websites :P

JetBoy on February 20, 2014 at 11:29 AM

You Rock Dude!
workingclass artist on February 20, 2014 at 11:28 AM

I agree. At first I thought he/she was overly harsh, but now I see that what they’re saying is right on.

bluegill on February 20, 2014 at 11:32 AM

I agree. At first I thought he/she was overly harsh, but now I see that what they’re saying is right on.

bluegill on February 20, 2014 at 11:32 AM

ND30 makes solid conservative arguments.

workingclass artist on February 20, 2014 at 11:33 AM

Do you REALLY want us to quote the numerous times libfreeordie bragged about having sex with underage boys?

Here’s a lesson for you, JetBoy: had you spent more of your time screaming at your fellow gay-sex bigots, then you might have more credibility in criticizing conservatives. But since all you do is criticize conservatives and support pedophiles like libfreeordie, you can reap the results.

northdallasthirty on February 20, 2014 at 11:27 AM

Libfree is gay…and a pedo? That’s news to me. If this is true, I wouldn’t post the comment, but I’d appreciate a link to one or two.

Libfree aside, I’m not interested in anything you have to say until you back up your repetitive claims a little with some comments made by gay posters, as I asked you.

Your pals under that bridge are waiting…

JetBoy on February 20, 2014 at 11:35 AM

I have faith that, even those with whom I vehemently disagree with on some topics, people will know you’re a liar and have about a zero credibility rating. Unless you can can show everyone where I said what you accuse me of, then stay under the bridge with the other trolls.

JetBoy on February 20, 2014 at 11:21 AM

With pleasure.

I stated the following:

Well, JetBoy, yesterday we learned that you believe religious freedom and liberty are limited only to the clergy and that everyone else has to be forced to do whatever you want because you’re gay.

So yeah, I don’t know why you bother flying the American flag, because your loyalty is clearly to gay-sex bigots and not to Americans.

northdallasthirty on February 20, 2014 at 11:13 AM

And present as supporting evidence this direct quote

Forcing a clergy member to violate their faith is nowhere near the same as the particular faith of a baker. Come on.

JetBoy on February 19, 2014 at 11:40 AM

Try harder next time. Perhaps you would be better at logical argument if you started following the rules of it instead of using your typical gay-sex bigot tactics of screaming “homophobe” at anyone who doesn’t agree with you.

northdallasthirty on February 20, 2014 at 11:37 AM

Anything conservative about CPAC or the American Conservative Union is purely coincidental.

CPAC has become a place where nerdy 20 and 30 something RINOs go in hopes of “getting lucky.”

bw222 on February 20, 2014 at 11:41 AM

So only certain conservative groups are allowed to criticize other conservative groups? And who says which groups can, and which groups needs to shut up and tow the line?

JetBoy on February 20, 2014 at 11:29 AM

That would be you, princess.

For example, you have stated that you and your fellow gay-sex bigots should be allowed to criticize conservative groups with impunity, but scream that any criticism of you, your fellow gay-sex bigots, or the gay and lesbian community is “homophobia” and that anyone who does so is “antigay”.

Now isn’t that convenient? You can shoot at everyone else, but no one can shoot back.

northdallasthirty on February 20, 2014 at 11:42 AM

Anything conservative about CPAC or the American Conservative Union is purely coincidental.

CPAC has become a place where nerdy 20 and 30 something RINOs go in hopes of “getting lucky.”

bw222 on February 20, 2014 at 11:41 AM

And each and every last one of the bloggers on Bloggers’ Row(TM) salivates over the latest GOP bombthrowers who have less than no chance in hell of making it as far as a presidential nomination.

gryphon202 on February 20, 2014 at 11:43 AM

Not sure what you’re trying to say here but whether I am or am not is something you’ll never know because I have enough class to keep my private activities private. Unlike the hypocritical deviants who tell people to stay out of their bedrooms but they either leave their bedroom doors wide open or they do bedroom activities outside the bedroom.

And demand to be approved by those they despise. Well, why don’t you just go somewhere else and satisfy yourself without my approval?

platypus on February 20, 2014 at 11:00 AM

Actually, what we were discussing was sexual deviancy, not keeping sexual matters private, but if you read the comments on practically any sex or romance-related Headline or post on this blog, you’ll see dozens of heterosexuals talking about their private lives, which is what happens offline as well, even more so than on the Internet, so why single out homosexuals?

Federati on February 20, 2014 at 11:44 AM

Try harder next time. Perhaps you would be better at logical argument if you started following the rules of it instead of using your typical gay-sex bigot tactics of screaming “homophobe” at anyone who doesn’t agree with you.

northdallasthirty on February 20, 2014 at 11:37 AM

The topic discussed concerned the idea that if this baker should have to go against their religious beliefs in their business, then a Catholic priest should be forced by the state to perform a marriage, through the church itself, that doctrine would oppose. The comment I replied to:

But under your reasoning there would be no problem with the government forcing the Catholic Priest to perform the marrige ceremoney. If a baker can be forced under color of law to participate in a gay wedding then the Priest can be forced to perform the marriage involving a Jew. In each case arbitrary anti-discriminationlaws would trump constitutional guarantees of freedom of religion.

tommyboy on February 19, 2014 at 11:33 AM

A priest acting within The Church being forced to go against doctrine is not the same as a business owner, of a business that has nothing to do with any religion or church, denying services based on his/her personal religious faith.

At least try and be intellectually honest.

Now…either back up your claims of gay posters here, or I’m through. I eagerly await your supporting proof of your accusations.

JetBoy on February 20, 2014 at 11:44 AM

Who called them “homophobic”?

So only certain conservative groups are allowed to criticize other conservative groups? And who says which groups can, and which groups needs to shut up and tow the line? Since CPAC is a conference of the ACU, then the ACU should decide…not a bunch of groups that are anti-gay to being with putting up a hissy fit about a gay group as a fellow sponsor…based ONLY ON THE FACT THAT THEY ARE GAY. You’ve shown nothing to the contrary, Melle. You can throw out guesses and ideas but bottom line, GOProud was excluded, and still is, because it’s a gay org. Nothing more, nothing less.

Okay, “anti-gay” not homophobic. I think that the groups had more problems than just being anti-gay. I think a lot of people don’t think identity politics are conservative, and they probably didn’t like GOProud’s stance on traditional marriage. Who knows their true motivation. That’s my point though. GOProud’s leadership the last few years hasn’t been exactly welcoming to other conservative groups while wanting reciprocation.

You know I love ya…and I say all this not to bash you with. Even tho you sully up my computer screen with Lefty liberal websites :P

JetBoy on February 20, 2014 at 11:29 AM

LOL– You know I love you too. I also love our spirited debates as well.

melle1228 on February 20, 2014 at 11:45 AM

find just one comment over the years from any gay poster here that backs up your inane, ridiculous accusation.
JetBoy on February 20, 2014 at 11:04 AM

Actually, when someone says they are “gay” they’ve said it all re: their sexual activities, since their only option is same-sex sodomy.

whatcat on February 20, 2014 at 11:45 AM

Actually, when someone says they are “gay” they’ve said it all re: their sexual activities, since their only option is same-sex sodomy.

whatcat on February 20, 2014 at 11:45 AM

Oh, brother.

I suppose all heterosexuals have missionary sex, and only for the purposes of reproduction. Yeah…must be. So by your definition, Bill Clinton really didn’t have “sexual relations with that woman…Monica Lewinski” since a hummer couldn’t be considered “sex”.

JetBoy on February 20, 2014 at 11:50 AM

Oh look, another gay thread.

Party on!

Schadenfreude on February 20, 2014 at 11:50 AM

JetBoy on February 20, 2014 at 11:50 AM

Back then the nsa didn’t record all things. NO one knows what Bill and Monica did…just saying…

Schadenfreude on February 20, 2014 at 11:51 AM

JetBoy on February 20, 2014 at 11:44 AM

Ummmm….You got your Jet handed to ya in that thread Jetboy

Then any business owner should e able to discriminate based on anything or any criteria they choose. So you’re all for having race be a factor in where someone sits on a public bus? Or what water fountain or restroom they should use?

Heck, let’s vote on taking the vote away from women. And throw child labor laws out the window. Everyone who runs a business should be able to do what they want. Right?

JetBoy on February 19, 2014 at 11:22 AM

Well, it’s about time the little fascist bigot outed himself as a supporter of government forcing people to do what he wants.

What people need to realize is that JetBoy is gay first and foremost. He doesn’t care about anything other than gay sex and having his gayness legitimized. His only concern in life is that he’s gay, gay, GAY, and that because of that, he should get special treatment.

In other words, he’s a spoiled little brat. The vast majority of gays and lesbians are spoiled little brats with entitlement mentalities who do nothing but take these pathetic little power trips, just like JetBoy is doing, and then throw screaming tantrums claiming that you’re a racist homophobic bigot unless you give them what you want.

This is why Adams said the Constitution would only work for a moral people. If you have a party filled with people like JetBoy who have no morals and who see the government as their means of acting out their envy, jealousy, and spite, the country collapses.

northdallasthirty on February 19, 2014 at 11:41 AM

JetBoy on February 19, 2014 at 11:40 AM

The clergy don’t have more right to religious expression than the laity. The Constitution does not differentiate.

alwaysfiredup on February 19, 2014 at 11:41 AM

workingclass artist on February 20, 2014 at 11:52 AM

JetBoy on February 20, 2014 at 11:44 AM

Seems to me you do think religious freedoms are limited only to the clergy. I don’t know why you protest so much when your own statements are paraphrased accurately. You even said it again:

…denying services based on his/her personal religious faith.

Fenris on February 20, 2014 at 11:55 AM

A priest acting within The Church being forced to go against doctrine is not the same as a business owner, of a business that has nothing to do with any religion or church, denying services based on his/her personal religious faith.

At least try and be intellectually honest.

Now…either back up your claims of gay posters here, or I’m through. I eagerly await your supporting proof of your accusations.

JetBoy on February 20, 2014 at 11:44 AM

Thank you for sharing…that you don’t understand religious freedom very well.
It’s been hard to see where you’ve come from previously. But now I have a better understanding.

22044 on February 20, 2014 at 11:58 AM

A priest acting within The Church being forced to go against doctrine is not the same as a business owner, of a business that has nothing to do with any religion or church, denying services based on his/her personal religious faith.

At least try and be intellectually honest.

Actually, I think this responds to you beautifully — which is why you didn’t answer it the last time.

The clergy don’t have more right to religious expression than the laity. The Constitution does not differentiate.

alwaysfiredup on February 19, 2014 at 11:41 AM

What you are trying to do, JetBoy, is limit religious freedom and expression to where the government decides to put it and to the people who the government decides to allow to practice it. You don’t believe religious freedom and liberty exist outside a church or for anyone but the clergy.

And that is profoundly unconstitutional and anti-American. Totally typical of the gay and lesbian community, and quite demonstrative that gays and lesbians like you are anti-Constitution and anti-American.

Which leads us to this.

Now…either back up your claims of gay posters here, or I’m through. I eagerly await your supporting proof of your accusations.

JetBoy on February 20, 2014 at 11:44 AM

So you think you can shriek for and demand evidence while you constantly shoot off your mouth that everyone who disagrees with you is a homophobe, or that any gay person who disagrees with you is mentally ill, without a scintilla of it.

I only follow rules that others do. You’ve claimed I am mentally ill; back it up or be exposed as an unethical hypocrite and liar.

northdallasthirty on February 20, 2014 at 11:58 AM

So you think you can shriek for and demand evidence while you constantly shoot off your mouth that everyone who disagrees with you is a homophobe, or that any gay person who disagrees with you is mentally ill, without a scintilla of it.

northdallasthirty on February 20, 2014 at 11:58 AM

I’m not “shreiking” at all…You made a rather outrageous claim, as usual, and once again…when asked to back it up, you can’t do it. It’s what I expected, so no surprise there.

Thanks for showing yourself to be full of it. Cheers!

JetBoy on February 20, 2014 at 12:04 PM

I wish GOProud would abandon the GOP for a warm welcome from libertarians and libertarian minded folks on the right.

It’s clear from some of the far right comments here, the SoCons (masquerading as conservatives) have no desire to be players in national politics in the future. Good. I’m tired of thuggish “gov’t decreed” moralistic governance, whether from the left or right.

If the right could get its act together, it would tell the SoCons to go pound sand. Then again, they’re called the stupid party for a reason.

atlashrugg on February 20, 2014 at 12:07 PM

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