GOProud returns to CPAC …

posted at 10:01 am on February 20, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

Call this a rapprochement and a step in the right direction, but …. it’s not quite a return, either. CPAC and the gay-conservative group GOProud buried the hatchet from the last couple of years, when the American Conservative Union board rejected the group as a sponsor of CPAC. They’re still not going to be a sponsor at CPAC 2014, but at least the ACU and CPAC are rolling out a welcome mat:

The annual debate over CPAC’s participants and focus reflects the broader, ongoing dialogue over growing the conservative movement and the Republican Party without compromising core principles. Gay rights are a major part of that debate, as conservative groups remain firmly opposed to gay marriage despite polls showing increasing and majority support.

The dispute with GOProud dates back to 2011, when a number of socially conservative groups, including the Heritage Foundation and the Family Research Council, objected to the group’s involvement and declined to participate. Insults were traded between GOProud leaders and ACU board members, culminating in the group’s exclusion.

Two former GOProud summer interns, Ross Hemminger and Matt Bechstein, took over last summer and sought to repair the bitterly frayed relationship. Under a compromise reached last week, they will attend the March 6-8 gathering as guests, without sponsorship or a booth. GOProud sees the lower-profile role as an important first step.

“We really just want to be part of the conservative movement,” said Hemminger, a veteran of the losing Senate campaigns by Scott Brown and Gabriel Gomez in Massachusetts. “We want to establish a fruitful and respectful relationship.”

Dan Schneider, executive director of the ACU, praised the GOProud directors for their “new vision” of promoting conservative principles from gun rights to opposition to abortion.

GOProud announced that it would attend on its website:

In the article we sit down with Beth Reinhard to discuss some of the latest happenings at GOProud, including some recent leadership transitions, the midterm elections, and yes, our plans for attending CPAC 2014!

As always, with your help GOProud will continue building bridges within the Republican Party that foster inclusion, and reinforce freedom for everyone.

The issue at the 2010 and 2011 CPAC conferences wasn’t about attendance, though, but sponsorship. That began in December 2009 when the group was first added to the roster of sponsors. A year later, even with their role reduced to “participating organization,” their presence touched off a boycott. After Sarah Palin defended their presence at CPAC 2011, which prompted a demand from one conservative group for her to “clarify” her position on social issues. Shortly afterward, CPAC dumped GOProud for the rhetoric that resulted from the avalanche of criticism, and that’s where things stood until this week.

However, there was never a ban on attendance for GOProud members — only a resolve not to include the group as a sponsor or “participating organization,” which would have allowed them a booth in the exhibitor hall. Individual members were always allowed to attend as such, although with the hostile rhetoric, it wasn’t a big surprise to see a lack of enthusiasm for doing so. This new rapprochement still leaves GOProud off the list of participating organizations — for now — but at least allows for cooler heads and saner rhetoric at present. Perhaps that will create a more friendly atmosphere, which hopefully will result in unity along the vast majority of conservative principles shared by all sides.

It’s not a new status, but perhaps a long-overdue fresh start. We need fiscal conservatives and small-government activists to unite in 2014, and that is what CPAC is supposed to facilitate, rather than division and disunity.

Addendum: Just for full disclosure, Townhall is one of the sponsors for CPAC 2014.


Related Posts:

Breaking on Hot Air

Blowback

Note from Hot Air management: This section is for comments from Hot Air's community of registered readers. Please don't assume that Hot Air management agrees with or otherwise endorses any particular comment just because we let it stand. A reminder: Anyone who fails to comply with our terms of use may lose their posting privilege.

Trackbacks/Pings

Trackback URL

Comments

Comment pages: 1 2 3 4

ok then not tyrannical with a capital T either. small t tyrannical. i thought you meant small tyrannical? did you mean like actual tyranny? i think citizens bringing a lawsuit to the courts is not tyranny. if the prime minister just sorta declared the church of england was going to be forced to perform gay weddings now, and the state was going to enforce that gay couples were not being turned away, that would be closer to Tyranny right? i thought with the “artist” in the handle you might just have a flair for the dramatic. but yah i still think those guys are lame.

brushingmyhair on February 22, 2014 at 10:46 AM

melle1228 on February 22, 2014 at 8:32 AM

Thx melle.

Honestly, I see many issues with SSM and I am not in favor of it at this time.
I also have been in an 11+ year relationship and do not have the need to get married…so it doesn’t quite matter to me. Probably why I don’t get to passionate or involved in these threads.
I am not a member of any group/organization nor do I hang out in the gay community. Just trying to live my life. I catch grief from both sides…but that’s okay..

working class artist did a good job laying out the real concerns I have with the SSM debate. They are very real concerns and like it or not-they need to be addressed.
And yes, a real conversation needs to be had but these threads usually descend into something else..as witnessed a zillion times.

bazil9 on February 22, 2014 at 10:38 AM

Dialogue is very important….even when things get a little heated as they do on many issues discussed here at hot gas.

One of the advantages to discourse threads such as these is that because we are writing our discussion we can choose to follow a topic discussion over a lengthy period of time as issues develop.

It’s important that people can choose freely to engage in expressing their ideas,opinions,concerns etc.

How else would we learn from each other?

workingclass artist on February 22, 2014 at 11:06 AM

ok then not tyrannical with a capital T either. small t tyrannical. i thought you meant small tyrannical? did you mean like actual tyranny? i think citizens bringing a lawsuit to the courts is not tyranny. if the prime minister just sorta declared the church of england was going to be forced to perform gay weddings now, and the state was going to enforce that gay couples were not being turned away, that would be closer to Tyranny right? i thought with the “artist” in the handle you might just have a flair for the dramatic. but yah i still think those guys are lame.

brushingmyhair on February 22, 2014 at 10:46 AM

I was pointing out the tyrannical motivation behind the law suit. Using the power of the state to force the citizenry to overturn the religious protections in the law. The Gay couple in this lawsuit demand preferential treatment because their rights supersede the rights of others.

Well….Isn’t that a bit prejudicial

Maybe you should try and diversify your acquaintances of artists?

There’s a lot of artists who are pretty low key…but you can always tell us by the shoes which are usually covered with the evidence of our advocation.

workingclass artist on February 22, 2014 at 11:18 AM

they are forcing the issue yah. petulant. i don’t think they’ll win though. you think they’ll win?

brushingmyhair on February 22, 2014 at 12:21 PM

I don’t know what a victocrat is and my autospeller doesn’t like it. Is it made up? is it like victory and democrat merged together?

brushingmyhair on February 22, 2014 at 10:12 AM

It is slang for someone who uses “victimhood” as a political ideology..

melle1228 on February 22, 2014 at 1:17 PM

they are forcing the issue yah. petulant. i don’t think they’ll win though. you think they’ll win?

brushingmyhair on February 22, 2014 at 12:21 PM

Maybe it’ll get tied up for a very long time in court…The Brits are good at that especially when one party to the suit is the government.

Dickens was harsh critic of the legal system of his time…Don’t know how much has changed since then but his books are great reads anyway.

One law professor’s take on Dicken’s and the British Legal System…

“Dickens had already made great sport of the English legal system in his account of the lawsuit for breach of promise to marry, “Bardell v. Pickwick,” in his 1837 novel THE PICKWICK PAPERS. In BLEAK HOUSE, he focused on the historic division between law and chancery in the English judicial system, and took aim at the tempting target of the chancery courts. They had long been infamous as synonymous with legal delay – but Dickens’s deadly satire made Chancery a byword for all that was wrong with English law. Indeed, without giving away the novel’s climax, I can say that it sweeps away, with brutal finality, any shred of hope that the Chancery courts could produce any kind of justice at all. (On Dickens’s usefulness as a source for the writing of legal history, see Holdsworth.)…

BLEAK HOUSE is masterly in its acidulous portrayal of these vultures of the law, but it is even more brilliant in its anatomization of a psychological ailment, which I call “litigation fever.” Litigation fever besets anyone enmeshed in a protracted litigation of any kind; it causes the past and future to drop away, leaving only the case as the total of the sufferer’s moral, mental, and psychological universe. Three characters in BLEAK HOUSE – Mr. Gridley, the “man from Shropshire,” Miss Flite, and Richard Carstone –suffer from various forms of litigation fever, all described by Dickens with painful and exact detail yet also with authorial compassion. This aspect of the novel, which goes beyond the cliches of [*316] lawyer-hatred to open a new and nightmarish world for the novelist, would justify BLEAK HOUSE as essential reading if nothing else did. Indeed, Mr. Vholes would have no real power over his client if Richard Carstone were not suffering from litigation fever feeding his wild fancies about the likely outcome of “Jarndyce and Jarndyce.”

http://www.gvpt.umd.edu/lpbr/subpages/reviews/dickens0408.htm

workingclass artist on February 22, 2014 at 1:31 PM

At least there are no more Debtor’s Prisons…Yet.

workingclass artist on February 22, 2014 at 1:32 PM

It’s important that people can choose freely to engage in expressing their ideas,opinions,concerns etc.

How else would we learn from each other?

workingclass artist on February 22, 2014 at 11:06 AM

I couldn’t agree more.

bazil9 on February 22, 2014 at 1:42 PM

so a sniveling victocrat would be christians claiming religious persecution because gays want to marry each other. got it. did you make up that word?

brushingmyhair on February 22, 2014 at 1:43 PM

thanks WCA for the Dickens stuff. I forget sometimes how weird british law can be.

brushingmyhair on February 22, 2014 at 1:59 PM

so a sniveling victocrat would be christians claiming religious persecution because gays want to marry each other. got it. did you make up that word?

brushingmyhair on February 22, 2014 at 1:43 PM

Wanting to pick and choose your customer base and freely associate with who you want to = small government/free market

Making someone bake you a cake under government force/begging the government for a license for your relationship = Large government

See the difference..

melle1228 on February 22, 2014 at 2:02 PM

Wanting to pick and choose your customer base and freely associate with who you want to = small government/free market

Making someone bake you a cake under government force/begging the government for a license for your relationship = Large government

See the difference..

melle1228 on February 22, 2014 at 2:02 PM

nicely done!

workingclass artist on February 22, 2014 at 2:04 PM

bazil9 on February 22, 2014 at 10:38 AM

I am off the bent that the state has done more to ruin traditional marriage than help it. I think it would benefit everyone to get the state out of marriage, and let people enter private contracts with whomever they want. The state knows if they actively break up families and support single parenthood; they retain more power than from nuclear families.

melle1228 on February 22, 2014 at 2:04 PM

i agree if a baker doesn’t want to bake a gay wedding cake because of sincerely held religious beliefs then the baker shouldn’t have to. if a wedding photographer doesn’t want to photograph a gay wedding because of sincerely held religious beliefs, i agree the photographer shouldn’t be forced to. that doesn’t work so good with your forward slash though. the government already gives out marriage licenses. that’s not bigger government or large government, thats just how it is, there isn’t a change.

brushingmyhair on February 22, 2014 at 2:15 PM

I am off the bent that the state has done more to ruin traditional marriage than help it. I think it would benefit everyone to get the state out of marriage, and let people enter private contracts with whomever they want. The state knows if they actively break up families and support single parenthood; they retain more power than from nuclear families.

melle1228 on February 22, 2014 at 2:04 PM

I focus a lot of my attention on many other issues…my focus hasn’t been here.

I’m interested in your opinion/take-expand on this post.
It isn’t always so much that what someone believes but why they believe it-that peaks my interest.

let people enter private contracts with whomever they want.

I can agree with this.

bazil9 on February 22, 2014 at 2:30 PM

I am off the bent that the state has done more to ruin traditional marriage than help it. I think it would benefit everyone to get the state out of marriage, and let people enter private contracts with whomever they want. The state knows if they actively break up families and support single parenthood; they retain more power than from nuclear families.

melle1228 on February 22, 2014 at 2:04 PM

Catholics can marry in a civil service.

After that they have some choices.

1. Have a Catholic Marriage within the church after agreeing to some prerequisites outlined by the Church.

2. Get the civil marriage blessed by a Catholic Priest. This affirms informally church sanction of the marriage if the civil marriage meets specific criteria. This matters later if an annulment is sought by either party.

3. Not get the civil marriage blessed by a priest…and perhaps take the matter up in the confessional?

4. Join another denomination either within the larger Catholic Church (Some choose an Eastern Denomination) or join any number of protestant denominations?

5. Adopt another philosophy?

My point being that the civil and the religious in the eyes of the church are separate as Marriage is a sacrament within the Church but is also recognized as a civil licensing matter under the jurisdiction of state laws.

If Gays for example, want to get married in a civil ceremony in NY and they are Catholic…Expecting a ceremony in St. Patrick’s Cathedral aint’ gonna happen since said couple don’t meet the requisite criteria. They are like many Catholic couples who don’t meet conditions in that criteria…Some of these couples will never be able to or will refuse to meet certain conditions within the criteria. That’s just the way it is.

Expecting the Catholic Church to deny or alter Natural Law is delusional.

It won’t happen.

workingclass artist on February 22, 2014 at 2:31 PM

Wanting to pick and choose your customer base and freely associate with who you want to = small government/free market

Making someone bake you a cake under government force/begging the government for a license for your relationship = Large government

See the difference..

melle1228 on February 22, 2014 at 2:02 PM

WHOOP- there it is!! Real simple.

bazil9 on February 22, 2014 at 2:34 PM

thanks WCA for the Dickens stuff. I forget sometimes how weird british law can be.

brushingmyhair on February 22, 2014 at 1:59 PM

It’s weird as is a lot of European Law.

We have our problems but I’m glad to be an American.

workingclass artist on February 22, 2014 at 2:36 PM

I’m interested in your opinion/take-expand on this post.
It isn’t always so much that what someone believes but why they believe it-that peaks my interest.

Working in family law, I have seen how much the state gets into the private business of people. Marriage has become one of the only contracts that someone can violate like adultery, and not have any penalties. There is really no reason for the state to sanction a private relationship.

The state used to encourage people to get married and stay married, but with the advent of welfare and no-fault divorce– Liberals especially, have found that they have more power if they destroy or never create intact families.

I think that marriage should go back to being a private contract that you can penalize the other person for breaking. Maybe then some people will take it seriously again.

melle1228 on February 22, 2014 at 2:45 PM

people talk about getting the government entirely out of the marriage business. seems like it’s a stance that came about only after some states decided to recognize same sex marriage. was this a fringe idea in conservative/religious circles before same sex marriage acceptance started picking up steam? just curious.

brushingmyhair on February 22, 2014 at 2:45 PM

About Catholic Marriage criteria…Ed’s got a post up in the green room about the Vatican’s consistory on the family…Divorce is one matter that will be discussed…

http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2014/02/21/vatican-trying-to-reset-expectations-at-consistory-on-the-family/

workingclass artist on February 22, 2014 at 2:46 PM

Working in family law, I have seen how much the state gets into the private business of people. Marriage has become one of the only contracts that someone can violate like adultery, and not have any penalties. There is really no reason for the state to sanction a private relationship.

The state used to encourage people to get married and stay married, but with the advent of welfare and no-fault divorce– Liberals especially, have found that they have more power if they destroy or never create intact families.

I think that marriage should go back to being a private contract that you can penalize the other person for breaking. Maybe then some people will take it seriously again.

melle1228 on February 22, 2014 at 2:45 PM

“In what could only be called the ultimate revenge, a betrayed wife sued her husband’s mistress for alienation of affection and was awarded $9 million….”

http://www.examiner.com/article/betrayed-wife-sues-her-husband-s-mistress-for-9-million-and-wins-you-can-too-part-1

or

“A wealthy Manhattan woman says a tanning salon employee she married duped her out of $700,000, telling her he needed the money to pay off gambling debts.
In reality, Steven Lalicata’s “gambling debt” was a girlfriend in New Jersey who liked to be showered with jewelry and presents, according to court papers.
Now burned bride Candice Feinberg Lalicata, 39, is suing her sneaky spouse, his girlfriend and the friends who allegedly helped con her for $10 million…”

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/husband-spends-wife-700-000-mistress-suit-article-1.1562449#ixzz2u59z3ygz

: )

workingclass artist on February 22, 2014 at 2:50 PM

workingclass artist on February 22, 2014 at 2:50 PM

LOL– I think those law suits are really cool, although most states have repealed alienation of affection laws. I think only 8 states allow them now.

melle1228 on February 22, 2014 at 2:52 PM

people talk about getting the government entirely out of the marriage business. seems like it’s a stance that came about only after some states decided to recognize same sex marriage. was this a fringe idea in conservative/religious circles before same sex marriage acceptance started picking up steam? just curious.

brushingmyhair on February 22, 2014 at 2:45 PM

No

melle1228 on February 22, 2014 at 2:52 PM

people talk about getting the government entirely out of the marriage business. seems like it’s a stance that came about only after some states decided to recognize same sex marriage. was this a fringe idea in conservative/religious circles before same sex marriage acceptance started picking up steam? just curious.

brushingmyhair on February 22, 2014 at 2:45 PM

I remember people talking about this before Reagan ushered in No Fault Divorce…That was a while ago.

workingclass artist on February 22, 2014 at 2:53 PM

Working in family law, I have seen how much the state gets into the private business of people.

Ah, that would explain your vast knowledge I usually observe from your posts.
I worked for the state…I was a child abuse investigator right outta college…it was my first experience into how the state injects itself into the private business of people/families. I was very turned off..even appalled by the level of power the Govt had.
It was my 1st dose of reality at a young age…lets just say my views were not appreciated. But the experience opened my eyes..quite the lesson..for many many reasons.

Marriage has become one of the only contracts that someone can violate like adultery, and not have any penalties. There is really no reason for the state to sanction a private relationship.

The state used to encourage people to get married and stay married, but with the advent of welfare and no-fault divorce– Liberals especially, have found that they have more power if they destroy or never create intact families.

I think that marriage should go back to being a private contract that you can penalize the other person for breaking. Maybe then some people will take it seriously again.

melle1228 on February 22, 2014 at 2:45 PM

I worked among much of what you described. I am in agreement with much of what you stated. Thx for the reply.

bazil9 on February 22, 2014 at 2:56 PM

LOL– I think those law suits are really cool, although most states have repealed alienation of affection laws. I think only 8 states allow them now.

melle1228 on February 22, 2014 at 2:52 PM

It’s interesting that those that seek to shut up the moral critics…usually seek to strengthen the states capacity to enforce their secular authority on morality.

In uberliberal and stylish NY we have this…

“New York state Sen. Ruben Diaz Jr. introduced a bill that would require parents of elementary school children to attend a minimum of four parent support classes. If parents don’t go, 6th graders won’t move onto 7th grade…”

Read more: http://www.myfoxny.com/story/24782201/ny-lawmaker-parents-should-take-parenting-classes#ixzz2u5BmN3hm

I’m pretty certain that NY’s idea of mandatory sex ed would be different than the Catholic idea of sex ed.

Could be a boon for parochial school…or home schooling couldn’t it?

workingclass artist on February 22, 2014 at 2:59 PM

bazil9 on February 22, 2014 at 2:56 PM

Yeah the more I work with the justice system and the state; the more I recoil from it..

It’s interesting that those that seek to shut up the moral critics…usually seek to strengthen the states capacity to enforce their secular authority on morality
workingclass artist on February 22, 2014 at 2:59 PM

Of course, because it isn’t about removing morality. It is just about pushing their morality instead of someone else’s.

melle1228 on February 22, 2014 at 3:00 PM

The state used to encourage people to get married and stay married, but with the advent of welfare and no-fault divorce– Liberals especially, have found that they have more power if they destroy or never create intact families.

I think that marriage should go back to being a private contract that you can penalize the other person for breaking. Maybe then some people will take it seriously again.

melle1228 on February 22, 2014 at 2:45 PM

I think this explains the redefinition of gender with regards to young children.

Watching that battle play out in Europe…and play itself out here in some states.

It’s chaos.

workingclass artist on February 22, 2014 at 3:07 PM

Of course, because it isn’t about removing morality. It is just about pushing their morality instead of someone else’s.

melle1228 on February 22, 2014 at 3:00 PM

Yep.

Gotta undermine those institutions that support families though…and then split allegiance within the family…start with the kids…Make em’ choose between their Natural parents or the Parental State.

workingclass artist on February 22, 2014 at 3:10 PM

I think this explains the redefinition of gender with regards to young children.

Watching that battle play out in Europe…and play itself out here in some states.

It’s chaos.

workingclass artist on February 22, 2014 at 3:07 PM

I know that is why Camilla LaPaglia the liberal lesbian has impressed me so much lately. She has come out and stated that gender fluidity is crap and that men are being screwed up in todays’ feministic society. I wondered why? Then I found out her and her partner are raising a son. Gender and the gender restructuring changes when you are a raising a boy.

melle1228 on February 22, 2014 at 3:14 PM

wth is ‘gender fluidity’?

bazil9 on February 22, 2014 at 3:16 PM

Brushing hairs…you gay?

bazil9 on February 22, 2014 at 3:17 PM

wth is ‘gender fluidity’?

bazil9 on February 22, 2014 at 3:16 PM

LOL– Its the new thing that says gender is a “societal” construct and you can change your gender at will. There are actually parents who try to raise their children “gender neutral.”

melle1228 on February 22, 2014 at 3:23 PM

melle1228 on February 22, 2014 at 3:23 PM

I think I need a few BC powders. lol
wtf is going on in this country??????? My God…I miss the good ol days.
Things are definitely out of control.
That post about the child transgender bathroom in Maine made my head pop…In addition to others.

I can definitely understand the alarm going on. A lot of sh$t going down. As a parent..can’t imagine.

I don’t even recognize my country anymore and I am 40.

I have a nephew(2 1/2 )and another on the way. I guess as he enters school age, I am in for some shock. ‘Gender fluidity’ ain’t going on here..and won’t be.

bazil9 on February 22, 2014 at 3:35 PM

I know that is why Camilla LaPaglia the liberal lesbian has impressed me so much lately. She has come out and stated that gender fluidity is crap and that men are being screwed up in todays’ feministic society. I wondered why? Then I found out her and her partner are raising a son. Gender and the gender restructuring changes when you are a raising a boy.

melle1228 on February 22, 2014 at 3:14 PM

Haven’t always agreed with her but she’s a thoughtful and fearless critic…and can write a wicked essay or two.

The gender thingy has spun into sheer lunacy.

The Other McCain keeps up with it on occasion…kinda like a train wreck…But legislation is being devised about this weird chit and these laws effect education policy and the culture at large.

Being a parent often changes a person’s perspective…The personal investment and the consequences of decisions and policies takes on a broader meaning.

On a visceral level the future is no longer imagined or self-centered, but eating the dinner you made for them and as kids do asking questions that make the parent think…bigger….and that doesn’t end until the parent ends.

workingclass artist on February 22, 2014 at 3:36 PM

bazil9 on February 22, 2014 at 3:35 PM

LOL– I know, I feel like I am old at 40 too. I recently saw a dating website “what’s your price.” The women get paid by the men to date them. When did that change from being an “escort” to a “date?”

And I live in Tennessee (from Illinois). I know we might behind the times, but at least my 6 year old daughter won’t have to go into the bathroom with a boy anytime soon.

melle1228 on February 22, 2014 at 3:38 PM

wth is ‘gender fluidity’?

bazil9 on February 22, 2014 at 3:16 PM

LOL– Its the new thing that says gender is a “societal” construct and you can change your gender at will. There are actually parents who try to raise their children “gender neutral.”

melle1228 on February 22, 2014 at 3:23 PM

Oh it gets weirder…

There’s a flap in activist feminists circles cause the Trans-gender females don’t understand why the lesbians won’t date them…especially while they are transitioning (Still have their natural equipment) and it’s getting pretty ugly…The lesbians are split cause some are more orthodox and insist on maintaining traditional female identity (centered on their natural equipment)

The transitioning/transitioned are screaming natural privilege…the lesbians are screaming Hijack by men pretending to be women…

That’s where some of those 56 gender terms FB announced using came from.

Like I said…Train wreck

workingclass artist on February 22, 2014 at 3:46 PM

bazil9 on February 22, 2014 at 3:35 PM

LOL– I know, I feel like I am old at 40 too. I recently saw a dating website “what’s your price.” The women get paid by the men to date them. When did that change from being an “escort” to a “date?”

And I live in Tennessee (from Illinois). I know we might behind the times, but at least my 6 year old daughter won’t have to go into the bathroom with a boy anytime soon.

melle1228 on February 22, 2014 at 3:38 PM

Might be sooner than you think…

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/02/14/california-transgender-law-allows-male-high-schooler-to-make-girls-softball/

workingclass artist on February 22, 2014 at 3:49 PM

I have a nephew(2 1/2 )and another on the way. I guess as he enters school age, I am in for some shock. ‘Gender fluidity’ ain’t going on here..and won’t be.

bazil9 on February 22, 2014 at 3:35 PM

Put my kid in Catholic School.

Better education…and social insulation from a slew of progressive madness.

It’s worth the money…imho…

Let me be the parent on that score…kept things simple.

workingclass artist on February 22, 2014 at 3:53 PM

workingclass artist on February 22, 2014 at 3:46 PM

lmao…cause its all I can do.
I personally would never date one. Call me orthodox. ;)
I do not appreciate being lumped in with them and could care a less.

Funny..y’all know more about this stuff then me.

I suppose…since I don’t participate in any thing or run in those circles..I have little interest. I don’t think of it as my identity.
I forget I am gay most the time..just livin my life with good friends,family and my other half.
I have deep concerns about what is going on in my country..what these people tantrum/whine over bores me. I have bigger fish to fry.

bazil9 on February 22, 2014 at 4:00 PM

bazil9 on February 22, 2014 at 3:35 PM

Put my kid in Catholic School.

Better education…and social insulation from a slew of progressive madness.

It’s worth the money…imho…

Let me be the parent on that score…kept things simple.

workingclass artist on February 22, 2014 at 3:53 PM

If they were my children and I could afford it- I would choose private school. As the aunt..I have put in my 2 cents…
However, my sister was a teacher and has different idea’s. We have already squabbled over it. We will see what happens.

bazil9 on February 22, 2014 at 4:05 PM

bazil9 on February 22, 2014 at 4:00 PM

LOL– That is because in this day and age just being gay is becoming boringly normal. :)

workingclass artist on February 22, 2014 at 3:46 PM

I never understood how Chaz Bono’s lesbian partner could stay with him/her while he was transitioning. I am just confused about this whole gender thing.

melle1228 on February 22, 2014 at 4:05 PM

lmao…cause its all I can do.
I personally would never date one. Call me orthodox. ;)
I do not appreciate being lumped in with them and could care a less.

Funny..y’all know more about this stuff then me.

I suppose…since I don’t participate in any thing or run in those circles..I have little interest. I don’t think of it as my identity.
I forget I am gay most the time..just livin my life with good friends,family and my other half.
I have deep concerns about what is going on in my country..what these people tantrum/whine over bores me. I have bigger fish to fry.

bazil9 on February 22, 2014 at 4:00 PM

Well…Most artists (I use that term in the traditional sense) follow culture on occasion because we comment on it in one way or another…in the work.

Same with poets…mucisians…writers…etc. The medium is just the vehicle of the commentary.

The work reflects the culture in response to the culture…but the really really good stuff always transcends the culture it was produced in and becomes Timeless.

As the Chinese say…We are living in interesting times…

workingclass artist on February 22, 2014 at 4:10 PM

I am just confused about this whole gender thing.

melle1228 on February 22, 2014 at 4:05 PM

So am I! Believe it or not.

That is because in this day and age just being gay is becoming boringly normal. :)

lol…I guess so.

bazil9 on February 22, 2014 at 4:11 PM

workingclass artist on February 22, 2014 at 4:10 PM

I have little time and am bombarded by news/topics/issues to digest daily.
I choose whats important for me to read and stay up on.
My concerns aren’t about the LGBT issues. Oddly enough.
I’m actually damn tired of it.
This is the 1st thread in a long time I even participated in. (gay wise).
I was mildly interested in what was up with GoProud…
melle gave me the info I found to be on point.

bazil9 on February 22, 2014 at 4:19 PM

If they were my children and I could afford it- I would choose private school. As the aunt..I have put in my 2 cents…
However, my sister was a teacher and has different idea’s. We have already squabbled over it. We will see what happens.

bazil9 on February 22, 2014 at 4:05 PM

Approach her with the idea of teaching autonomy…Ya can’t get much of that in public school.

Example: When my daughter went for 9th grade at a local catholic high school, her geography teacher built his own tough course…the kids loved it. They only had one test during the year and one project they worked on all year. The grade split between the two.

The project was to create a geographic land with flora and fauna and culture developing from it’s formation to a precise date of discovery by outsiders. It was very detailed and captured their imaginations…and it was hard work because they had to map it and make artifacts as well as research it using physical science as well as write about it anthropologically and archaeologically.

Their Exam was to map Earth in 3D. Countries,Capitals,States,Geographic formations,Oceans and major waterways. All the kids passed because he was a thorough and engaging teacher.

Exams were celebrated by a pizza party blowout in class. Great school and great principal.

She was there on scholarship and transferred to a Magnet school in 10th grade.

She was in Catholic school from K-9th and K-8th wasn’t as expensive as you think…Most denominational parochial schools will work with parents and many have donors.

Catholic school teaches children how to be scholars…even if they pursue other fields and they start that process in kindergarten.

My point is that her school was about parental involvement without usurping parental authority…and the teachers were with the exception of one dedicated and brilliant.

Many teach because they can continue their post academic degree path on full scholarship at local catholic universities…so she was taught by scholars pursuing masters or doctorates in all of her courses.

My kid never had to take a TAAS test until 10th grade and when she transferred she was about two years ahead of her peers in math,science and english.

She is still great at maps.

: )

workingclass artist on February 22, 2014 at 4:31 PM

I have little time and am bombarded by news/topics/issues to digest daily.
I choose whats important for me to read and stay up on.
My concerns aren’t about the LGBT issues. Oddly enough.
I’m actually damn tired of it.
This is the 1st thread in a long time I even participated in. (gay wise).
I was mildly interested in what was up with GoProud…
melle gave me the info I found to be on point.

bazil9 on February 22, 2014 at 4:19 PM

I think a lot of us have cultural exhaustion.

A sense of humor is a vital survival skill.

workingclass artist on February 22, 2014 at 4:40 PM

: )

workingclass artist on February 22, 2014 at 4:31 PM
:)
Working on it..and so is my mom.
We would like him in a private Christian school.
$ is very tight tho..
We will see where they are in a couple years.

bazil9 on February 22, 2014 at 4:42 PM

bazil9 on February 22, 2014 at 4:42 PM

If she taught there or at another affiliated school within the denomination or parish he might go for free.

Good Luck

: )

workingclass artist on February 22, 2014 at 4:48 PM

I think a lot of us have cultural exhaustion.

Definitely do. I think it is by design.

A sense of humor is a vital survival skill.

For sure…it is what gets me through! :)

workingclass artist on February 22, 2014 at 4:40 PM

bazil9 on February 22, 2014 at 4:48 PM

I think a lot of us have cultural exhaustion.

A sense of humor is a vital survival skill.

workingclass artist on February 22, 2014 at 4:40 PM

Oh God Yes!

I am thinking of building bunker in the middle of nowhere. :)

melle1228 on February 22, 2014 at 4:48 PM

Most of these schools offer tuition incentive to employees and faculty…and at many these folks aren’t necessarily congregants.

workingclass artist on February 22, 2014 at 4:49 PM

Oh God Yes!

I am thinking of building bunker in the middle of nowhere. :)

melle1228 on February 22, 2014 at 4:48 PM

melle outs herself as a prepper…

; )

workingclass artist on February 22, 2014 at 4:51 PM

Good Luck

: )

workingclass artist on February 22, 2014 at 4:48 PM

Thx man. :) appreciated our convo.

I am thinking of building bunker in the middle of nowhere. :)

melle1228 on February 22, 2014 at 4:48 PM

I’m going with you! lol

bazil9 on February 22, 2014 at 4:52 PM

Gotta run..going to a family bbq.
I’ll catch y’all later.
TC.

bazil9 on February 22, 2014 at 4:52 PM

LOL– Its the new thing that says gender is a “societal” construct and you can change your gender at will. There are actually parents who try to raise their children “gender neutral.”

melle1228 on February 22, 2014 at 3:23 PM

Those are two different concepts. I’m all for raising children in a “gender-neutral” way — as in allowing a daughter to choose whether to play with dolls or with toy trucks (or both), and allowing the same choice for a son. That doesn’t mean I’m denying which reproductive organs either child has; it means that the reproductive organs a human being has affects only reproduction.

bmmg39 on February 23, 2014 at 11:05 AM

Those are two different concepts. I’m all for raising children in a “gender-neutral” way — as in allowing a daughter to choose whether to play with dolls or with toy trucks (or both), and allowing the same choice for a son. That doesn’t mean I’m denying which reproductive organs either child has; it means that the reproductive organs a human being has affects only reproduction.

bmmg39 on February 23, 2014 at 11:05 AM

I know they are two different concepts. The problem is that a lot of “gender neutral” parents will push the opposite gender stereotyping on their child to show how progressive you are. Gender is not a social construct. I could put a doll in my son’s hand a million times when he was a young boy, and he would still radiate towards boy toys and make believe.

melle1228 on February 23, 2014 at 6:38 PM

Comment pages: 1 2 3 4