Quotes of the day

posted at 10:41 pm on February 19, 2014 by Allahpundit

An anti-gay marriage proposal that roiled Kansas politics is dead, the chairman of a state Senate committee assigned to review it said Tuesday.

But the declaration from Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Jeff King didn’t appear likely to end the debate over providing legal protections for people and organizations refusing for religious reasons to provide goods and services to gay and lesbian couples. King, an Independence Republican, said he’ll still have hearings on whether Kansas needs to enact religious liberty protections in case the federal courts strike down the state’s gay-marriage ban…

Supporters said their intent was to prevent florists, bakers and photographers from being punished for refusing to participate in same-sex weddings, keep churches from having to provide space or clergy for such ceremonies and keep religiously affiliated adoption agencies from being forced to place children with gay couples. Critics said the bill was much broader than advertised and would encourage discrimination against gays and lesbians.

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Christians backing this bill are essentially arguing for homosexual Jim Crow laws.

Evangelical pastor Andy Stanley leads North Point Ministries, the second largest church in the U.S. He told me he finds it “offensive that Christians would leverage faith to support the Kansas law.” He said, “Serving people we don’t see eye to eye with is the essence of Christianity. Jesus died for a world with which he didn’t see eye to eye. If a bakery doesn’t want to sell its products to a gay couple, it’s their business. Literally. But leave Jesus out of it.”

Christians serve unrepentant murderers through prison ministry. So why can’t they provide a service for a same-sex marriage?

Some claim it’s because marriage is so sacred. But double standards abound. Christian bakers don’t interrogate wedding clients to make sure their behavior comports with the Bible. If they did, they’d be out of business. Stanley said, “Jesus taught that if a person is divorced and gets remarried, it’s adultery. So if (Christians) don’t have a problem doing business with people getting remarried, why refuse to do business with gays and lesbians.”

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In New Mexico, a photographer’s business ran afoul of the law for not wanting to take the pictures at a gay wedding ceremony. In most of these cases, the defendants made clear they’d gladly provide goods and services to gay individuals and gay couples. But because of their Christian faith, they did not think in good conscience they should provide goods and services for a gay marriage.

Andy Stanley says, “If a bakery doesn’t want to sell its products to a gay couple, it’s their business.” Actually, gay rights activists have made it the state’s business. They cannot refuse to cooperate without losing their businesses. Is Andy Stanley so out of touch with the world that he does not realize this is happening? Or does he think it is okay that Christians can, in violation of their conscious, provide goods and services to a ceremony they think is sinful?

And do Christians not have the right to petition their government to stop this?…

By the way, Jesus would most certainly turn water to wine for a gay person or a straight person if it led them toward salvation. But Jesus would not provide goods and services for a gay marriage and if you think so, you’re a rather silly person.

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[T]he Kansas bill and similar bills that protect liberty are about preventing the kind of coercion that happened under Jim Crow. They protect what should be already protected: basic civil liberties such as freedom of association, freedom of contract, and freedom of religion.

Jim Crow and segregation did the exact opposite. Those wicked regimes legally coerced people to keep them separated, to prevent them from associating or contracting. Yet today, we see liberals of various stripes saying the law should coerce people into associating and contracting…

If a central argument of the LGBT movement has been the freedom to live how one chooses sexually, shouldn’t government respect the freedom of citizens to live how they choose in the marketplace? Indeed, respecting religious liberty for all those in the marketplace is particularly important. After all, as first lady Michelle Obama put it: “Our faith journey isn’t just about showing up on Sunday for a good sermon and good music and a good meal. It’s about what we do Monday through Saturday as well.”…

[B]eing a wedding photographer is not simply being “a vendor,” but utilizing God-given talents to tell the story of a particular couple and their relationship. Likewise, many of these professionals understand their obligation to witness to the truth differently – celebrating a same-sex relationship as a marriage affirms that relationship. It is understandable why some religious believers would not want the government coercing them into doing that. The government shouldn’t enshrine Powers’s theology into law and then coerce those who have a different understanding of what their faith requires…

Protecting religious liberty and the rights of conscience does not infringe on anyone’s sexual freedoms. Americans are free to live and love how they choose, but they should not use government to penalize those who think and act differently.

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It seems pretty clear to me: [under Kansas's bill,] any individual could refuse to provide employment to someone related to any living arrangement they disapprove of. That’s a massive category that could easily mean de facto publicly legislated discrimination against the tiny gay minority. That Anderson does not even consider the concerns of those of us worried by this vague, open-ended law or is in any way interested in the dignity or equality of gay citizens in Kansas (citizens who are currently denied any protection from discrimination in employment, and denied the right to any stable, lawful relationship as well) reveals the blind spot that so many on the far right have.

And he doesn’t explain why such a law should not also include marriages or relationships that are not gay and which nonetheless violate some aspect of religious conscience – like marriages that involved previously divorced people or those that violate some religious strictures against inter-faith marriage. If you’re really defending religious liberty and not just attacking gays, you’d think the law would be a lot broader in its targets.

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The key point, I think, is that whether the state should compel someone to violate his conscience or protect him in his exercise of it cannot turn on the contents of that conscience. As I argued recently in NR, the Religious Freedom Restoration Act seems to me to get this right. It doesn’t make the protection of conscience an absolute principle. It allows the individual conscience to be overridden when it’s the least restrictive means of serving a compelling governmental interest. The inquiry can’t turn, though, on the government’s judgment of a theological question. In the case of the HHS mandate, for example — where, as it happens, Powers has done a fine job of making the case for religious liberty — the argument for coercing the Little Sisters of the Poor can’t be that their theological scruples about contraception are simply incorrect understandings of Christianity. Plenty of Christians believe that they are incorrect. But it’s not the place of the government to make and enforce that call. In my view, a conscientious Christian could certainly take Powers’s view about what florists and caterers should do. But that doesn’t mean that a conscientious Christian who reaches a different conclusion should be forced to act contrary to it.

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In my opinion, the GREATEST country song of ALL TIME:

Roger Miller: Chug a Lug

ConstantineXI on February 19, 2014 at 11:04 PM

[T]he Kansas bill and similar bills that protect liberty are about preventing the kind of coercion that happened under Jim Crow. They protect what should be already protected: basic civil liberties such as freedom of association, freedom of contract, and freedom of religion.

Jim Crow and segregation did the exact opposite. Those wicked regimes legally coerced people to keep them separated, to prevent them from associating or contracting. Yet today, we see liberals of various stripes saying the law should coerce people into associating and contracting

Well, the Supreme Court did essentially decide that government could do that in the O-Care decision, so from their POV, there’s a precedent and it’s all good.

The phrases “slippery slope” and “camel’s nose under the tent flap” don’t just apply to anti-gun laws.

clear ether

eon

eon on February 19, 2014 at 11:05 PM

We have learned and grown….

What an experience…..

Electrongod on February 19, 2014 at 10:54 PM

I’m sure you have. My mom used to say…if it doesn’t kill you, it’ll make you stronger.

CoffeeLover on February 19, 2014 at 11:05 PM

Grand Funk Choo-Choo – Inside Looking Out

Newtie and the Beauty on February 19, 2014 at 11:02 PM

Midnight train to Georgia

KCB on February 19, 2014 at 11:04 PM

KCB on February 19, 2014 at 11:05 PM

This just fries my ass…

OmahaConservative on February 19, 2014 at 11:06 PM

Midnight train to Georgia

KCB on February 19, 2014 at 11:07 PM

KCB on February 19, 2014 at 11:04 PM

Love me Gladys and the Pips!

The Band – The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down

Newtie and the Beauty on February 19, 2014 at 11:07 PM

And what SHOULD be our State Song of the Commonwealth of Kentucky

ConstantineXI on February 19, 2014 at 11:07 PM

I think I need that surgery. Got a bum knee I have never had looked at. I love cockers and all spaniels. Best dog I had was a springer…

OmahaConservative on February 19, 2014 at 11:03 PM

I’m not sure you’d fit on the vet table….

Doc Holliday on February 19, 2014 at 11:08 PM

Surprised you weren’t here. Woulda figured you game for that. ; )

Bmore on February 19, 2014 at 11:03 PM

I was there for two comments in the front.

One to register my displeasure for W. and Laura posing with BiteMe’s wife and the second to piss off LittleRickey404.

Lanceman on February 19, 2014 at 11:08 PM

KCB on February 19, 2014 at 11:04 PM

Schweet. ; )

Bmore on February 19, 2014 at 11:08 PM

OmahaConservative on February 19, 2014 at 11:06 PM

Saw that earlier. BS!

KCB on February 19, 2014 at 11:08 PM

If a gay couple gets “married”, they’ve told Jesus “we know better than you how to live our lives.”
Will Jesus bake the cake for them when they’ve told Him to take a long walk off a short pier?

22044 on February 19, 2014 at 11:08 PM

Copperhead Road

ConstantineXI on February 19, 2014 at 10:52 PM

There’s a line dance to it, too. :-)

Fallon on February 19, 2014 at 11:08 PM

I’ve given up on this and hope that God looks upon it as giving Caesar what is Caesar’s. It’s a stretch but this is going to happen no matter what.

Cindy Munford on February 19, 2014 at 11:09 PM

Hi Cindy.

KCB on February 19, 2014 at 11:09 PM

You probably would be expelled from school if you told that one today.

Glad I grew up in the 1980′s.

ConstantineXI on February 19, 2014 at 10:48 PM

…they’d put us in jail!…or take us away from our parents!

KOOLAID2 on February 19, 2014 at 11:09 PM

No way. He was a carpenter, not a baker.

kcewa on February 19, 2014 at 11:01 PM

And fantastic caterer and vintner…

viking01 on February 19, 2014 at 11:09 PM

Bill Monroe: Southern Flavor

ConstantineXI on February 19, 2014 at 11:09 PM

ConstantineXI on February 19, 2014 at 11:07 PM

Flatt and Scruggs – Foggy Mountain Breakdown

Newtie and the Beauty on February 19, 2014 at 11:09 PM

Cindy Munford on February 19, 2014 at 11:09 PM

Maybe… Whose asking…

oscarwilde on February 19, 2014 at 11:10 PM

Copperhead Road

ConstantineXI on February 19, 2014 at 10:52 PM

One of the greatest songs ever…

Doc Holliday on February 19, 2014 at 10:56 PM

Ballad of Thunder Road (Steve Earle wrote Copperhead Road as a sequel to this song)

kcewa on February 19, 2014 at 11:10 PM

when I was a little one, we had a neighbor with a black cocker spaniel…it was taught to hold a cig in it’s mouth and it would walk down the street like that.

Of course, today, they’d probably call Animal Control on her owner!

Great dogs.

CoffeeLover on February 19, 2014 at 11:10 PM

One does not need to be born gay. One could just as easily be born celibate.

Lanceman on February 19, 2014 at 11:10 PM

The Kansas bill was a bad one, but let’s keep that conversation going.

OK, no more on-topic comments from me!

22044 on February 19, 2014 at 11:10 PM

OmahaConservative on February 19, 2014 at 11:03 PM

I’m not sure you’d fit on the vet table….

Doc Holliday on February 19, 2014 at 11:08 PM

If they can fit Candy Crowley on the tilt table us smaller earthlings probably can.

viking01 on February 19, 2014 at 11:10 PM

CoffeeLover on February 19, 2014 at 11:10 PM

Shepherds were notorious for noshin’ on one’s stash :o

Newtie and the Beauty on February 19, 2014 at 11:10 PM

And fantastic caterer and vintner…

viking01 on February 19, 2014 at 11:09 PM

Quiet the Doctor as well…

oscarwilde on February 19, 2014 at 11:11 PM

Night, all!!! I couldn’t sleep…

ladyingray on February 19, 2014 at 11:11 PM

Love Train

KCB on February 19, 2014 at 11:11 PM

Two pages of chit chat already? Can’t you people stay on topic!!!!

Murphy9 on February 19, 2014 at 11:12 PM

Kentucky – The Everly Brothers

kcewa on February 19, 2014 at 11:12 PM

KCB on February 19, 2014 at 11:11 PM

Well Done, Ken! I love this version!

Newtie and the Beauty on February 19, 2014 at 11:13 PM

Nevermind all this hogwash! Where is HillAREwe??

And Pickles! Where the hell has my girl Pickles been hiding???

Lanceman on February 19, 2014 at 11:13 PM

The greatest country song of all time:

♫ Where?, Where?
Were you last night?
Why did you leave
me here all alone?

I searched the world over
and thought I found true love…

You met another
and Pfffft you was gone. ♫

viking01 on February 19, 2014 at 11:13 PM

Johnny Cash Cocaine Blues

ConstantineXI on February 19, 2014 at 11:13 PM

Kirsten doesn’t believe in the free exercise of religious belief. She believes in complete control of one’s beliefs by the state. Sad.

Rose on February 19, 2014 at 11:13 PM

You ever notice how the gilled one always hooks up well with the nutters?

Bmore on February 19, 2014 at 11:13 PM

ladyingray on February 19, 2014 at 11:11 PM

Niters and sleep well, Lady!

Newtie and the Beauty on February 19, 2014 at 11:13 PM

OmahaConservative on February 19, 2014 at 11:03 PM

I’m not sure you’d fit on the vet table….

Doc Holliday on February 19, 2014 at 11:08 PM

If they can fit Candy Crowley on the tilt table us smaller earthlings probably can.

viking01 on February 19, 2014 at 11:10 PM

I’m much smaller than the blob. I am 6ft and weigh 200 lbs…

OmahaConservative on February 19, 2014 at 11:14 PM

He hung out with Zaccheus.

Lanceman on February 19, 2014 at 10:59 PM

He was his guest and talked with him. Afterwards Zaccheus truly repented of his sin:

“Behold, Lord, half of my possessions I will give to the poor, and if I have defrauded anyone of anything, I will give back four times as much.”

He never helped Zaccheus defraud anything not did He ever passively sit back and watch Zaccheus defraud people.

INC on February 19, 2014 at 11:14 PM

Grandpa Joe: Old Rattler

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c7orOSa2Ms

libfreesMom on February 19, 2014 at 11:14 PM

Nevermind all this hogwash! Where is HillAREwe??

And Pickles! Where the hell has my girl Pickles been hiding???

Lanceman on February 19, 2014 at 11:13 PM

If you’re here I guess the Killary loving pajama boy may show up.
Watch this 3 page QOTD become 10.

22044 on February 19, 2014 at 11:14 PM

Check this out. One of my favorites.

KCB on February 19, 2014 at 11:14 PM

oscarwilde on February 19, 2014 at 11:10 PM

Just someone who likes Vettes and musicians. We will let it go at that.

Cindy Munford on February 19, 2014 at 11:15 PM

KCB on February 19, 2014 at 11:09 PM

Hey, Ken, how have you been?

Cindy Munford on February 19, 2014 at 11:15 PM

Lanceman on February 19, 2014 at 11:13 PM

Did you ever figure out whether pickles was is a female or male?

Bmore on February 19, 2014 at 11:16 PM

Kentucky – The Everly Brothers

kcewa on February 19, 2014 at 11:12 PM

And it’s true…

ConstantineXI on February 19, 2014 at 11:16 PM

Is GG here?

Sorry, but thanks to the Gophers for throwing the Illini a bone

22044 on February 19, 2014 at 11:16 PM

oscarwilde on February 19, 2014 at 11:10 PM

Cindy Munford on February 19, 2014 at 11:15 PM

Lolz!

Bmore on February 19, 2014 at 11:16 PM

The GREATEST rendition of a State Song EVER…

AB Happy Chandler

Who was the Commissioner of Baseball who broke the color barrier by allowing Jackie Robinson to play, FYI…

ConstantineXI on February 19, 2014 at 11:17 PM

You ever notice how the gilled one always hooks up well with the nutters?

Bmore on February 19, 2014 at 11:13 PM

…veteran ones…AND… the new nutters!

KOOLAID2 on February 19, 2014 at 11:17 PM

Cindy Munford on February 19, 2014 at 11:15 PM

Not to shabby! You?

KCB on February 19, 2014 at 11:17 PM

too….

KCB on February 19, 2014 at 11:17 PM

Is hagfish here to correct the rude buffoons?

OmahaConservative on February 19, 2014 at 11:18 PM

You ever notice how the gilled one always hooks up well with the nutters?

Bmore on February 19, 2014 at 11:13 PM

AND n00bs. AND Lourdes.

Did you ever figure out whether pickles was is a female or male?

Bmore on February 19, 2014 at 11:16 PM

She claims to be a man. Which is highly dubious.

Lanceman on February 19, 2014 at 11:19 PM

Kirsten doesn’t believe in the free exercise of religious belief. She believes in complete control of one’s beliefs by the state. Sad.

Rose on February 19, 2014 at 11:13 PM

She is one mixed-up woman. She needs her discernment meter to be fully reset by God’s Word.

INC on February 19, 2014 at 11:19 PM

Did you ever figure out whether pickles was is a female or male?

Bmore on February 19, 2014 at 11:16 PM

I say female.

KCB on February 19, 2014 at 11:19 PM

Is GG here?

22044 on February 19, 2014 at 11:16 PM

GlueGill?

Lanceman on February 19, 2014 at 11:20 PM

Did you ever figure out whether pickles was is a female or male?

Bmore on February 19, 2014 at 11:16 PM

Pat.

viking01 on February 19, 2014 at 11:21 PM

Lanceman on February 19, 2014 at 11:20 PM

Mullet?

Newtie and the Beauty on February 19, 2014 at 11:21 PM

Kirsten doesn’t believe in the free exercise of religious belief. She believes in complete control of one’s beliefs by the state. Sad.

Rose on February 19, 2014 at 11:13 PM

she doesn’t believe in the free exercise of anything..
tonight on BOs show I think it was she said
‘if I had my way we would all be driving Prius’s’
she neglected to say where we would get all that power from..
the up side would be in towing….no watts no ride…

going2mars on February 19, 2014 at 11:21 PM

Is GG here?

22044 on February 19, 2014 at 11:16 PM

GlueGill?

Lanceman on February 19, 2014 at 11:20 PM

gophergirl. I’ve missed her too.

viking01 on February 19, 2014 at 11:22 PM

Coolest jam you haven’t heard.

KCB on February 19, 2014 at 11:22 PM

In the businesses I have owned and/or managed, I always asserted the right to refuse service to anyone, and posted a notice to that effect prominently.

When I did refuse service, I never gave a reason, and instructed all employees to do likewise when confronted with any situation that fit our guidelines.

For instance, one of my newspapers had a strict policy on classified advertising which I helped develop. We did not accept ads for “help wanted” that were really just selling directories of companies that supposedly hire people to work at home, stuffing envelopes or assembling products, etc. Unless the person/firm placing the ad had a job opening to fill, the ad could only be accepted under “Miscellenous for Sale.” Similarly, no personal ads with cryptic messages or mentioning names were accepted.

My people were instructed to only answer with “We decline to accept this ad at this time.” If the customer asked why, we just repeated the same line, never giving a specific reason. Some would get frustrated, but they all gave up eventually after hearing the same line enough.

We had the right to refuse service. Giving a reason only asks for trouble.

Adjoran on February 19, 2014 at 11:22 PM

Kentucky – The Everly Brothers

kcewa on February 19, 2014 at 11:12 PM

And it’s true…

ConstantineXI on February 19, 2014 at 11:16 PM

Never been there but the music is good so it must be nice!

The Everly Brothers – “Bowling Green”

kcewa on February 19, 2014 at 11:23 PM

KCB on February 19, 2014 at 11:17 PM

All in all pretty good. One of my worst days at work yesterday but that’s life.

Cindy Munford on February 19, 2014 at 11:23 PM

I love gophergirl…
She is a doll…

OmahaConservative on February 19, 2014 at 11:23 PM

Is hagfish here to correct the rude buffoons?

OmahaConservative on February 19, 2014 at 11:18 PM

…she knows when to lurk!…she goes for the hook at certain times…and the bread ball’s have to be rolled or rubbed with the smell of… ‘amnesty’….saw her in the headlines earlier…

KOOLAID2 on February 19, 2014 at 11:24 PM

gophergirl. I’ve missed her too.

viking01 on February 19, 2014 at 11:22 PM

yes

22044 on February 19, 2014 at 11:25 PM

All in all pretty good. One of my worst days at work yesterday but that’s life.

Cindy Munford on February 19, 2014 at 11:23 PM

Spring is coming and daylight savings! I need solar power.

KCB on February 19, 2014 at 11:25 PM

Highly Racist Email Forward Found In Scott Walker Investigation Documents

They must be done with the Fat Man. It’s the Cheeseheads turn. (Good joke btw)

kcewa on February 19, 2014 at 11:25 PM

oscarwilde on February 19, 2014 at 11:10 PM

Cindy Munford on February 19, 2014 at 11:15 PM

Lolz!

Bmore on February 19, 2014 at 11:16 PM

One must be careful, their are Lions, Tiger’s and Bears about you know… Were one not to be prudent they might get mauled…

oscarwilde on February 19, 2014 at 11:26 PM

I love gophergirl…
She is a doll…

OmahaConservative on February 19, 2014 at 11:23 PM

Second That!

KCB on February 19, 2014 at 11:26 PM

Evenin’. Tomorrow’s my Monday-so will only be around for a short spell.
Btw: I just bought one of these.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 19, 2014 at 11:27 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on February 19, 2014 at 11:27 PM

Evenin’, ALT!

Newtie and the Beauty on February 19, 2014 at 11:29 PM

KCB on February 19, 2014 at 11:25 PM

Today was 75 degrees and sunny, truly lovely. I didn’t get as much done as I should but as Scarlett says, tomorrow is another day.

Cindy Munford on February 19, 2014 at 11:29 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on February 19, 2014 at 11:27 PM

Wow. That is a cute jacket. Wow. You have good taste.

Tomorrow is my Thursday.

SparkPlug on February 19, 2014 at 11:29 PM

Eagles – I Can’t Tell You Why

Newtie and the Beauty on February 19, 2014 at 11:28 PM

My favorite eagle jam. Timothy Schmidt. Should have let him sing more.

KCB on February 19, 2014 at 11:30 PM

Hey Barb!

KCB on February 19, 2014 at 11:31 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on February 19, 2014 at 11:27 PM

That’s nice. I bought some rubber boots from that site. I usually bug everyone to vote for my basenji rescue folks but I haven’t been around the computer as much lately.

Cindy Munford on February 19, 2014 at 11:31 PM

Highly Racist Email Forward Found In Scott Walker Investigation Documents

They must be done with the Fat Man. It’s the Cheeseheads turn. (Good joke btw)

kcewa on February 19, 2014 at 11:25 PM

That’s it? They’re getting desperate.

22044 on February 19, 2014 at 11:31 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on February 19, 2014 at 11:27 PM

I like it ALT…I love cotton. Nice support of animals to boot. That’s a 2fer :)

(waving at ya)

CoffeeLover on February 19, 2014 at 11:32 PM

Tomorrow is my Friday…thank goodness.

Doc Holliday on February 19, 2014 at 11:32 PM

SparkPlug on February 19, 2014 at 11:29 PM

Ahhh-to have a normal work week

annoyinglittletwerp on February 19, 2014 at 11:33 PM

KCB on February 19, 2014 at 11:30 PM

I agree! One of my favourite songs off “The Long Run,” too ;-)

Newtie and the Beauty on February 19, 2014 at 11:33 PM

Tomorrow is my Friday…thank goodness.

Doc Holliday on February 19, 2014 at 11:32 PM

I hope you enjoy your well deserved weekend…

OmahaConservative on February 19, 2014 at 11:33 PM

Already Gone

KCB on February 19, 2014 at 11:34 PM

Cindy Munford on February 19, 2014 at 11:29 PM

I had a good day. Bought some stainless steel metric bolts 10mm regular thread. Can’t wait to attach something to my table saw with them. That will happen tomorrow.

Prolly won’t be able to sleep from the anticipation.

SparkPlug on February 19, 2014 at 11:34 PM

Hi Cindy!
Hi Ken!
Hi CL!
I probably shouldn’t have bought that hoodie-but it has attitude…and age is an attitude.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 19, 2014 at 11:35 PM

Newtie and the Beauty on February 19, 2014 at 11:35 PM

One of my favs.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 19, 2014 at 11:35 PM

KCB on February 19, 2014 at 11:30 PM

Don Felder was on Fox and Friends with some guys from Styx and Foreigner doing an acoustical cover.

Cindy Munford on February 19, 2014 at 11:35 PM

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