Quotes of the day

posted at 10:41 pm on February 19, 2014 by Allahpundit

An anti-gay marriage proposal that roiled Kansas politics is dead, the chairman of a state Senate committee assigned to review it said Tuesday.

But the declaration from Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Jeff King didn’t appear likely to end the debate over providing legal protections for people and organizations refusing for religious reasons to provide goods and services to gay and lesbian couples. King, an Independence Republican, said he’ll still have hearings on whether Kansas needs to enact religious liberty protections in case the federal courts strike down the state’s gay-marriage ban…

Supporters said their intent was to prevent florists, bakers and photographers from being punished for refusing to participate in same-sex weddings, keep churches from having to provide space or clergy for such ceremonies and keep religiously affiliated adoption agencies from being forced to place children with gay couples. Critics said the bill was much broader than advertised and would encourage discrimination against gays and lesbians.

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Christians backing this bill are essentially arguing for homosexual Jim Crow laws.

Evangelical pastor Andy Stanley leads North Point Ministries, the second largest church in the U.S. He told me he finds it “offensive that Christians would leverage faith to support the Kansas law.” He said, “Serving people we don’t see eye to eye with is the essence of Christianity. Jesus died for a world with which he didn’t see eye to eye. If a bakery doesn’t want to sell its products to a gay couple, it’s their business. Literally. But leave Jesus out of it.”

Christians serve unrepentant murderers through prison ministry. So why can’t they provide a service for a same-sex marriage?

Some claim it’s because marriage is so sacred. But double standards abound. Christian bakers don’t interrogate wedding clients to make sure their behavior comports with the Bible. If they did, they’d be out of business. Stanley said, “Jesus taught that if a person is divorced and gets remarried, it’s adultery. So if (Christians) don’t have a problem doing business with people getting remarried, why refuse to do business with gays and lesbians.”

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In New Mexico, a photographer’s business ran afoul of the law for not wanting to take the pictures at a gay wedding ceremony. In most of these cases, the defendants made clear they’d gladly provide goods and services to gay individuals and gay couples. But because of their Christian faith, they did not think in good conscience they should provide goods and services for a gay marriage.

Andy Stanley says, “If a bakery doesn’t want to sell its products to a gay couple, it’s their business.” Actually, gay rights activists have made it the state’s business. They cannot refuse to cooperate without losing their businesses. Is Andy Stanley so out of touch with the world that he does not realize this is happening? Or does he think it is okay that Christians can, in violation of their conscious, provide goods and services to a ceremony they think is sinful?

And do Christians not have the right to petition their government to stop this?…

By the way, Jesus would most certainly turn water to wine for a gay person or a straight person if it led them toward salvation. But Jesus would not provide goods and services for a gay marriage and if you think so, you’re a rather silly person.

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[T]he Kansas bill and similar bills that protect liberty are about preventing the kind of coercion that happened under Jim Crow. They protect what should be already protected: basic civil liberties such as freedom of association, freedom of contract, and freedom of religion.

Jim Crow and segregation did the exact opposite. Those wicked regimes legally coerced people to keep them separated, to prevent them from associating or contracting. Yet today, we see liberals of various stripes saying the law should coerce people into associating and contracting…

If a central argument of the LGBT movement has been the freedom to live how one chooses sexually, shouldn’t government respect the freedom of citizens to live how they choose in the marketplace? Indeed, respecting religious liberty for all those in the marketplace is particularly important. After all, as first lady Michelle Obama put it: “Our faith journey isn’t just about showing up on Sunday for a good sermon and good music and a good meal. It’s about what we do Monday through Saturday as well.”…

[B]eing a wedding photographer is not simply being “a vendor,” but utilizing God-given talents to tell the story of a particular couple and their relationship. Likewise, many of these professionals understand their obligation to witness to the truth differently – celebrating a same-sex relationship as a marriage affirms that relationship. It is understandable why some religious believers would not want the government coercing them into doing that. The government shouldn’t enshrine Powers’s theology into law and then coerce those who have a different understanding of what their faith requires…

Protecting religious liberty and the rights of conscience does not infringe on anyone’s sexual freedoms. Americans are free to live and love how they choose, but they should not use government to penalize those who think and act differently.

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It seems pretty clear to me: [under Kansas's bill,] any individual could refuse to provide employment to someone related to any living arrangement they disapprove of. That’s a massive category that could easily mean de facto publicly legislated discrimination against the tiny gay minority. That Anderson does not even consider the concerns of those of us worried by this vague, open-ended law or is in any way interested in the dignity or equality of gay citizens in Kansas (citizens who are currently denied any protection from discrimination in employment, and denied the right to any stable, lawful relationship as well) reveals the blind spot that so many on the far right have.

And he doesn’t explain why such a law should not also include marriages or relationships that are not gay and which nonetheless violate some aspect of religious conscience – like marriages that involved previously divorced people or those that violate some religious strictures against inter-faith marriage. If you’re really defending religious liberty and not just attacking gays, you’d think the law would be a lot broader in its targets.

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The key point, I think, is that whether the state should compel someone to violate his conscience or protect him in his exercise of it cannot turn on the contents of that conscience. As I argued recently in NR, the Religious Freedom Restoration Act seems to me to get this right. It doesn’t make the protection of conscience an absolute principle. It allows the individual conscience to be overridden when it’s the least restrictive means of serving a compelling governmental interest. The inquiry can’t turn, though, on the government’s judgment of a theological question. In the case of the HHS mandate, for example — where, as it happens, Powers has done a fine job of making the case for religious liberty — the argument for coercing the Little Sisters of the Poor can’t be that their theological scruples about contraception are simply incorrect understandings of Christianity. Plenty of Christians believe that they are incorrect. But it’s not the place of the government to make and enforce that call. In my view, a conscientious Christian could certainly take Powers’s view about what florists and caterers should do. But that doesn’t mean that a conscientious Christian who reaches a different conclusion should be forced to act contrary to it.

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Hump Day Bishop!!!!!

KCB on February 19, 2014 at 10:40 PM

Hello?

KCB on February 19, 2014 at 10:42 PM

nice…

Doc Holliday on February 19, 2014 at 10:42 PM

?

kcewa on February 19, 2014 at 10:42 PM

greetings!

Doc Holliday on February 19, 2014 at 10:42 PM

Alrighty then.

KCB on February 19, 2014 at 10:42 PM

its too bad we don’t have the basic freedom of association in this once great nation.

Murphy9 on February 19, 2014 at 10:42 PM

Evening all

Hi Ken (waving)

CoffeeLover on February 19, 2014 at 10:43 PM

People! Cool! Hi CL!

KCB on February 19, 2014 at 10:43 PM

Great! A QUEER thread!

Lanceman on February 19, 2014 at 10:43 PM

Hi Doc. U working or home tonight?

CoffeeLover on February 19, 2014 at 10:43 PM

Queer meaning unusual, of course.

Lanceman on February 19, 2014 at 10:43 PM

Hate free thread. Haters.

kcewa on February 19, 2014 at 10:44 PM

Lanceman on February 19, 2014 at 10:43 PM

LOL…hi lanceman….that made me spittle my coffee :)

CoffeeLover on February 19, 2014 at 10:44 PM

Jetboy, please stay the hell out tonight. We want libdie!

Lanceman on February 19, 2014 at 10:44 PM

hi lanceman….
CoffeeLover on February 19, 2014 at 10:44 PM

Wish I was…:)

Lanceman on February 19, 2014 at 10:45 PM

…it’s not normal…too be normal…anymore!

KOOLAID2 on February 19, 2014 at 10:45 PM

CoffeeLover on February 19, 2014 at 10:44 PM

[passing CL a sham-wow ;-) ]

Newtie and the Beauty on February 19, 2014 at 10:46 PM

Will Heterosexuals EVER get equal rights that the gay and LGBT “communities” have now?

I doubt it.

ConstantineXI on February 19, 2014 at 10:46 PM

KOOLAID2 on February 19, 2014 at 10:45 PM

yep we’ve become the “alternative lifestyle” UGH

CoffeeLover on February 19, 2014 at 10:46 PM

Jetboy, please stay the hell out tonight. We want libdie!

Lanceman on February 19, 2014 at 10:44 PM

libfreeorgan….is busy!…living the dream !

KOOLAID2 on February 19, 2014 at 10:46 PM

Hi Doc. U working or home tonight?

CoffeeLover on February 19, 2014 at 10:43 PM

Just walk in the door…dragging. Day 4 of 5. Im getting my backside kicked.

Doc Holliday on February 19, 2014 at 10:47 PM

I’m old enough to remember the day when a customer making a scene earned the bum’s rush and not a phone call from da preznit…

viking01 on February 19, 2014 at 10:47 PM

Hump a dame…

Then complain….

Hump a guy?

Then make everyone bow to your every needs…

Hell…

Get the Feds involved..

And the courts….

Electrongod on February 19, 2014 at 10:47 PM

Doc Holliday on February 19, 2014 at 10:47 PM

[looking for Hump Day Truss...]

Newtie and the Beauty on February 19, 2014 at 10:47 PM

……..Aaaaaaaaand llahpundit is BACK to “Topic A” for “Gays” tonight…..as I believe I predicted a couple of nights ago…..

williamg on February 19, 2014 at 10:47 PM

…it’s not normal…too be normal…anymore!

KOOLAID2 on February 19, 2014 at 10:45 PM

Correct.

When I was a kid… Elementary school joke: “What’s the difference between a dead dog in the road and a dead f@@?”

Answer: “There were skidmarks in front of the dead dog”

You probably would be expelled from school if you told that one today.

Glad I grew up in the 1980′s.

ConstantineXI on February 19, 2014 at 10:48 PM

Doc Holliday on February 19, 2014 at 10:47 PM

Chillax, Doc…

OmahaConservative on February 19, 2014 at 10:48 PM

Hump a dame…

Then complain….

Electrongod on February 19, 2014 at 10:47 PM

About what?

kcewa on February 19, 2014 at 10:48 PM

Electrongod on February 19, 2014 at 10:47 PM

The left learned a long time ago to use the courts to get their agenda enacted–never mind what the Constitution says.

Newtie and the Beauty on February 19, 2014 at 10:48 PM

Newtie and the Beauty on February 19, 2014 at 10:46 PM

thanks friend and btw….Michael McDonald…love that voice

Electrongod on February 19, 2014 at 10:47 PM

Hey EG…(waving)

CoffeeLover on February 19, 2014 at 10:48 PM

Hi Newtie!

Doc Holliday on February 19, 2014 at 10:48 PM

Hey rude buffoons. Good to see y’all…

OmahaConservative on February 19, 2014 at 10:49 PM

Doobie Brothers – Long Train Running

Newtie and the Beauty on February 19, 2014 at 10:45 PM

Train, Train.

KCB on February 19, 2014 at 10:50 PM

KOOLAID2 on February 19, 2014 at 10:46 PM

Was it you or B. More that invented the word ‘hagfish’?

Lanceman on February 19, 2014 at 10:50 PM

Wolly likes beaver.

wolly4321 on February 19, 2014 at 10:50 PM

Newtie and the Beauty on February 19, 2014 at 10:48 PM

Exactly….

Electrongod on February 19, 2014 at 10:50 PM

Wolly likes beaver.

wolly4321 on February 19, 2014 at 10:50 PM

*snickers*
So does the ratster…

OmahaConservative on February 19, 2014 at 10:51 PM

CoffeeLover on February 19, 2014 at 10:48 PM

Luv ya….

Electrongod on February 19, 2014 at 10:51 PM

OmahaConservative on February 19, 2014 at 10:49 PM

Is it still warm enough to get out on the porch?

CoffeeLover on February 19, 2014 at 10:51 PM

Doc Holliday on February 19, 2014 at 10:48 PM

Howdy! Howdy! Howdy!

Newtie and the Beauty on February 19, 2014 at 10:52 PM

OmahaConservative on February 19, 2014 at 10:49 PM

Buffoons-R-Us.
Heh.

Doc Holliday on February 19, 2014 at 10:52 PM

Copperhead Road

ConstantineXI on February 19, 2014 at 10:52 PM

Is it still warm enough to get out on the porch?

CoffeeLover on February 19, 2014 at 10:51 PM

Yep, darlin’
45 right now but rain, snow and sleet is a’coming at midnight…

OmahaConservative on February 19, 2014 at 10:52 PM

It’s gotta be Bush’s fault.

wolly4321 on February 19, 2014 at 10:52 PM

Scouting sure has taken an enrollment hit since the “Scoutmaster’s Pet”, “Bats Left”, “San Fransicko Treat” and “Interior Decoration” merit badges were introduced.

viking01 on February 19, 2014 at 10:52 PM

Buffoons-R-Us.
Heh.

Doc Holliday on February 19, 2014 at 10:52 PM

LOLZ!

OmahaConservative on February 19, 2014 at 10:53 PM

Electrongod on February 19, 2014 at 10:51 PM

right back at ya EG. Hope you and you daughter are doing well.

CoffeeLover on February 19, 2014 at 10:53 PM

Is it still warm enough to get out on the porch?

CoffeeLover on February 19, 2014 at 10:51 PM

It’s 43 in Omaha.

Lanceman on February 19, 2014 at 10:54 PM

CoffeeLover on February 19, 2014 at 10:53 PM

We have learned and grown….

What an experience…..

Electrongod on February 19, 2014 at 10:54 PM

right back at ya EG. Hope you and you daughter are doing well.

CoffeeLover on February 19, 2014 at 10:53 PM

Me too EG.

KCB on February 19, 2014 at 10:54 PM

It’s 43 in Omaha.

Lanceman on February 19, 2014 at 10:54 PM

45 according to my Oregon Scientific thermometer…

OmahaConservative on February 19, 2014 at 10:54 PM

thanks friend and btw….Michael McDonald…love that voice

CoffeeLover on February 19, 2014 at 10:48 PM

Michael McDonald – I Keep Forgetting ;-)

Newtie and the Beauty on February 19, 2014 at 10:54 PM

My dog had to have ACL surgery and a meniscal repair. I didn’t know a dog HAD and ACL. Little guy cried all night(which is why I am dragging…)

Doc Holliday on February 19, 2014 at 10:54 PM

OmahaConservative on February 19, 2014 at 10:52 PM

Well, dang already!!!! Hurry up Spring.

CoffeeLover on February 19, 2014 at 10:54 PM

…g a y…has totally changed in the dictionary…from 30 years ago…has the word q u e e r…replaced it!…it used to be sort of a ‘happy’… festive experience or aura… or something.

KOOLAID2 on February 19, 2014 at 10:55 PM

KCB on February 19, 2014 at 10:54 PM

How are ya doin’?

Electrongod on February 19, 2014 at 10:55 PM

Doc Holliday on February 19, 2014 at 10:54 PM

Sorry to read that Doc. Hate when kids and animals are hurt. Hope he heals quickly. What kind is he?

CoffeeLover on February 19, 2014 at 10:55 PM

Electrongod on February 19, 2014 at 10:54 PM

Hey, bro…

OmahaConservative on February 19, 2014 at 10:55 PM

Copperhead Road

ConstantineXI on February 19, 2014 at 10:52 PM

One of the greatest songs ever…

Doc Holliday on February 19, 2014 at 10:56 PM

45 according to my Oregon Scientific thermometer…

OmahaConservative on February 19, 2014 at 10:54 PM

I put Omaha in my Yahoo weather when you started showing up every night. 43 is official at the airport.

And did you know that if you take the ‘h’ out and put a ‘b’ in and rearrange the letters Omaha becomes obama?

Lanceman on February 19, 2014 at 10:56 PM

My dog had to have ACL surgery and a meniscal repair. I didn’t know a dog HAD and ACL. Little guy cried all night(which is why I am dragging…)

Doc Holliday on February 19, 2014 at 10:54 PM

Explain in layman terms please…

OmahaConservative on February 19, 2014 at 10:56 PM

Yes – Long Distance Runaround

Newtie and the Beauty on February 19, 2014 at 10:51 PM

Run around–VH

KCB on February 19, 2014 at 10:56 PM

KOOLAID2 on February 19, 2014 at 10:55 PM

And “q ue er” used to mean odd or unusual.

Newtie and the Beauty on February 19, 2014 at 10:56 PM

The Olympic coverage is almost unwatchable. Just awful.

Fallon on February 19, 2014 at 10:57 PM

Kirsten Powers is totally wrong on this. Jesus would NOT bake a cake for that couple. Jesus would not join in a celebration of someone’s sin. What did he tell the adulteress ? Go now and sin no more!

sadsushi on February 19, 2014 at 10:57 PM

KCB on February 19, 2014 at 10:56 PM

Sweet, Ken!

Newtie and the Beauty on February 19, 2014 at 10:58 PM

The Rippingtons / Wednesday’s Child

kcewa on February 19, 2014 at 10:58 PM

One of the greatest songs ever…

Doc Holliday on February 19, 2014 at 10:56 PM

So is this one.

Readin, Writin, Route 23.

I’ve never lived more than 1/4 mile from US 23. THE MAIN STREET of Eastern Kentucky.

ConstantineXI on February 19, 2014 at 10:58 PM

g a y…has totally changed in the dictionary…from 30 years ago…has the word q u e e r…replaced it!…it used to be sort of a ‘happy’… festive experience or aura… or something.

KOOLAID2 on February 19, 2014 at 10:55 PM

Actually gay used that way goes back to at least the 1930′s. I was surprised when I heard it in a movie. We just didn’t use it that way for a while.

crankyoldlady on February 19, 2014 at 10:58 PM

Explain in layman terms please…

OmahaConservative on February 19, 2014 at 10:56 PM

Doggy knee surgery.

gryphon202 on February 19, 2014 at 10:58 PM

Was it you or B. More that invented the word ‘hagfish’?

Lanceman on February 19, 2014 at 10:50 PM

…I thought it was Bmore or cozmo…I usually use sexual connotations…to keep in character…like blueballs or organs….you know!…stuff you can…play with!

KOOLAID2 on February 19, 2014 at 10:58 PM

…it’s not normal…too be normal…anymore!

KOOLAID2 on February 19, 2014 at 10:45 PM

Well, I’m safe. No one in my family or anywhere else ever accused me of being “normal”.

They counted my liking girls as offensively “patriarchal”, BTW. Considering that they also disliked gays, while insisting that their “cause” (progressivism) “needed their support”, this rather obvious dichotomy in “logic” was my earliest exposure to the progressive ability to hold two or more directly-contradictory positions at the same time, and simultaneously deny that they were, in fact, contradictory.

I registered as a Republican at age 18, in spite of coming from a family of Democrats, on the principle that my mother always said that only a very foolish person gets in bed with anyone weirder than they are.

cheers

eon

eon on February 19, 2014 at 10:58 PM

And did you know that if you take the ‘h’ out and put a ‘b’ in and rearrange the letters Omaha becomes obama?

Lanceman on February 19, 2014 at 10:56 PM

Yes I did, and we had three ACORN offices in North Omaha to give 0bama one electoral vote…

OmahaConservative on February 19, 2014 at 10:59 PM

Jesus would NOT bake a cake for that couple.

sadsushi on February 19, 2014 at 10:57 PM

He hung out with Zaccheus.

Lanceman on February 19, 2014 at 10:59 PM

Doggy knee surgery.

gryphon202 on February 19, 2014 at 10:58 PM

Poor Doc puppy…

OmahaConservative on February 19, 2014 at 11:00 PM

thanks friend and btw….Michael McDonald…love that voice

CoffeeLover on February 19, 2014 at 10:48 PM

To the streets.

KCB on February 19, 2014 at 11:00 PM

CoffeeLover on February 19, 2014 at 10:53 PM

We have learned and grown….

What an experience…..

Electrongod on February 19, 2014 at 10:54 PM

Have we? What exactly have we learned?

oscarwilde on February 19, 2014 at 11:00 PM

thanks friend and btw….Michael McDonald…love that voice

CoffeeLover on February 19, 2014 at 10:48 PM

Michael McDonald – I Keep Forgetting ;-)

Newtie and the Beauty on February 19, 2014 at 10:54 PM

Love Michael McDonald. The Doobie Brothers were at their PEAK with him.

ConstantineXI on February 19, 2014 at 11:00 PM

My dog had to have ACL surgery and a meniscal repair. I didn’t know a dog HAD and ACL. Little guy cried all night(which is why I am dragging…)

Doc Holliday on February 19, 2014 at 10:54 PM

get well quick Doc’s dog

kcewa on February 19, 2014 at 11:00 PM

CoffeeLover on February 19, 2014 at 10:55 PM

He’s a brown cocker spaniel. Absolutely great dog.

OC–an ACL is anterior cruciate ligament, it help hold the knee together. The meniscus is the cartilage in the knee that allows for smooth movement.

Doc Holliday on February 19, 2014 at 11:00 PM

Explain in layman terms please…

OmahaConservative on February 19, 2014 at 10:56 PM

Knee joint ligaments ACL on the side and meniscus as a cushion, of sorts, between upper leg and lower leg bones.

viking01 on February 19, 2014 at 11:00 PM

Do you Want a Taco?

gryphon202 on February 19, 2014 at 11:01 PM

Happy 74th Smokey

RickB on February 19, 2014 at 11:01 PM

Jesus would NOT bake a cake for that couple.

sadsushi on February 19, 2014 at 10:57 PM

No way. He was a carpenter, not a baker.

kcewa on February 19, 2014 at 11:01 PM

Lanceman on February 19, 2014 at 10:50 PM

cozmo, I refer to her as the gilled one. Breadball?

Bmore on February 19, 2014 at 11:01 PM

KOOLAID2 on February 19, 2014 at 10:58 PM

OK. I just wanna know because I called Ladyingray that tonight and I’d like to know what one is. Other than your buddy with the gills…

Lanceman on February 19, 2014 at 11:01 PM

Kirsten Powers is totally wrong on this. Jesus would NOT bake a cake for that couple. Jesus would not join in a celebration of someone’s sin. What did he tell the adulteress ? Go now and sin no more!

sadsushi on February 19, 2014 at 10:57 PM

What did he tell the Pharisees? Hmmm, if memory serves me, it was something to the effect of… Who warned you brood of vipers to flee the wrath to come?

oscarwilde on February 19, 2014 at 11:01 PM

My dog had to have ACL surgery and a meniscal repair. I didn’t know a dog HAD and ACL.

Little guy cried all night(which is why I am dragging…)

Doc Holliday on February 19, 2014 at 10:54 PM

I tend to think more highly of dogs than people. Hope your spaniel has a quick and complete recovery!

KCB on February 19, 2014 at 11:02 PM

cozmo, I refer to her as the gilled one. Breadball?

Bmore on February 19, 2014 at 11:01 PM

OK. So it was cozzimo who invented hagfish. I’ll ask when I see him.

Lanceman on February 19, 2014 at 11:03 PM

OC–an ACL is anterior cruciate ligament, it help hold the knee together. The meniscus is the cartilage in the knee that allows for smooth movement.

Doc Holliday on February 19, 2014 at 11:00 PM

I think I need that surgery. Got a bum knee I have never had looked at. I love cockers and all spaniels. Best dog I had was a springer…

OmahaConservative on February 19, 2014 at 11:03 PM

Lanceman on February 19, 2014 at 11:01 PM

Surprised you weren’t here. Woulda figured you game for that. ; )

Bmore on February 19, 2014 at 11:03 PM

I think I need that surgery. Got a bum knee I have never had looked at. I love cockers and all spaniels. Best dog I had was a springer…

OmahaConservative on February 19, 2014 at 11:03 PM

If your ACL was torn or ruptured, you’d know it. It’s an agonizing injury, usually caused by the knee trying to bend sideways in martial arts or basketball.

gryphon202 on February 19, 2014 at 11:04 PM

Doc Holliday on February 19, 2014 at 10:54 PM

Oh, Doc! Prayers for a speedy recovery for Dear Pooch and may your family life get back to normal!

Newtie and the Beauty on February 19, 2014 at 11:04 PM

Grand Funk Choo-Choo – Inside Looking Out

Newtie and the Beauty on February 19, 2014 at 11:02 PM

Midnight train to Georgia

KCB on February 19, 2014 at 11:04 PM

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