New “red line”: Obama vows there’ll be consequences if people “step over the line” in Ukraine

posted at 3:21 pm on February 19, 2014 by Allahpundit

This is so meaningless, both on its own merits and in light of his Syria fiasco last fall, that I’d be inclined not to blog it if I had any better content to give you. In no meaningful sense is it “news” when O issues some pro forma “stern warning,” especially when Putin’s on the other side of it.

But a slow day content-wise has its price.

President Barack Obama condemned the violence in Ukraine on Wednesday, saying that the U.S. holds the government “primarily responsible for ensuring they are handling protesters peacefully” and that “there will be consequences if people step over the line.”

“We expect the Ukrainian government to show restraint, to not resort to violence,” Obama said in Mexico. “We expect peaceful protesters to remain peaceful.”

Your guess is as good as mine what “consequences” means. Presumably he’s referring to sanctions — McCain, naturally, is busily drafting a bill right now — but it’s vague enough that Obama will have an easy out if he backs away later and is challenged on it by the press. Ditto for “stepping over the line.” Does that mean violence, which has already occurred, or a certain hazily defined amount of violence that the White House would deem intolerable? If Syria is any indication, the bar for bloodshed that’s so unacceptable that the U.S. would feel obliged to get involved is really, really high. So reluctant is O to get sucked into this, in fact, that it fell to Joe Biden, not Obama himself, to call Putin’s buddy Yanukovych last night to express the White House’s displeasure.

And yes, this is all familiar. Here’s a quickie refresher on the evolution of O’s “red line” for Syria, which began with him warning that he wouldn’t tolerate Assad using or transporting chemical weapons. Once Assad started using chemical weapons, the White House dutifully looked the other way to avoid enforcing the red line for as long as it could, until an attack in August forced O to do something. At that point he (a) falsely claimed that it was the world that set the red line, not him; (b) announced that he intended to strike Syria, before adding that he’d do it only if Congress approved; (c) halfheartedly tried to round up congressional support for an attack before failing at that too; and then (d) accepted Putin’s lame “compromise” to have Assad voluntarily disarm in the interest of saving face. That’s worked out exactly as well in practice as everyone expected it to. That’s the sort of steely resolve and sharp-eyed strategic prowess the Euromaidan protesters in Kiev can count on now.

Here’s the vid via NRO. Putin went easy on him last fall, but after that hockey disappointment today, watch out.


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He’s such a loser.

MMK on February 19, 2014 at 3:21 PM

Bombs will be delivered by soaring oratory?

Cicero43 on February 19, 2014 at 3:22 PM

Maybe he just likes being laughed at?

307wolverine on February 19, 2014 at 3:23 PM

You know, consequences like a strongly worded letter.

Maybe a condemning speech.

OR, if he breaks out the BIG GUNS, a resolution of disapproval.

makattak on February 19, 2014 at 3:23 PM

The Dog Eater who cried wolf.

No one believes or trusts him anymore.

Bishop on February 19, 2014 at 3:24 PM

“there will be consequences if people step over the line.”

As my mother used to say: “Stop that right now! Don’t make me come over there.”

Of course, we kids feared her wrath.

No one fears O’s wrath. At least not on the international stage.

oldsquid on February 19, 2014 at 3:24 PM

MMK on February 19, 2014 at 3:21 PM

He won the presidential election, twice.

We are losers, not him.

cozmo on February 19, 2014 at 3:25 PM

Oh dear lord, can you even begin to imagine the caterwauling that would happen if a Republican president issued a stern threat about “consequences” to a Soviet Russian satellite state? The Union of Concerned Scientists would hold a press conference within the hour setting the Doomsday Clock to 11:59:59.99999999999999.

Fabozz on February 19, 2014 at 3:26 PM

Geez. Everybody’s laughing at President NoBalls. I wouldn’t mind, but they think they’re laughing at Americans too.

22044 on February 19, 2014 at 3:26 PM

I can imagine Sheriff Joe:

“Hey Yanukovych! My boss is getting really really really PERTURBED with what’s going on over there! You’s guys better watch out! My boss can write a really really really MEAN memo if you’s don’t knock it off!”

GarandFan on February 19, 2014 at 3:26 PM

…not again!

KOOLAID2 on February 19, 2014 at 3:27 PM

“…there will be consequences if people step over the line.”

Ah, but he didn’t say it was a red line.

de rigueur on February 19, 2014 at 3:27 PM

No one believes or trusts him anymore.

Bishop on February 19, 2014 at 3:24 PM

Not true. MSNBC, all of mainstream media and the 47% of our neighbors who are willfully ignorant leeches.

cozmo on February 19, 2014 at 3:27 PM

And this time I really mean it.

mwbri on February 19, 2014 at 3:28 PM

Consequences??

Like what? No expensive Vodka for a few weeks?

Only Nikolai brand??

ToddPA on February 19, 2014 at 3:28 PM

22044 on February 19, 2014 at 3:26 PM

They are.

cozmo on February 19, 2014 at 3:28 PM

Yanukovych must be quaking in his boots, looking over his shoulder, and peeking under his bed.

We have become a laughing stock, and 0 has just upped the hilarity level to 11.

Nomennovum on February 19, 2014 at 3:30 PM

Would that be a Communist Red line? If so, Teh SCOAMT welcomes its crossing.

Steve Eggleston on February 19, 2014 at 3:30 PM

Pharaoh will do nothing. Not enough muslims there.

ConstantineXI on February 19, 2014 at 3:31 PM

Memories…..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIPSvIz9NDs

faol on February 19, 2014 at 3:31 PM

How many times can Obama step on his own pee-pee???

oscarwilde on February 19, 2014 at 3:31 PM

President Barack Obama condemned the violence in Ukraine on Wednesday, saying that the U.S. holds the government “primarily responsible for ensuring they are handling protesters peacefully” and that “there will be consequences if people step over the line.”

“We expect the Ukrainian government to show restraint, to not resort to violence,” Obama said in Mexico. “We expect peaceful protesters to remain peaceful.”


Consequences:

Ukrainian government violence means the country will NOT be allowed to join the EU!
(EXACTLY what Putin wants!)

Protester violence means the U.S. government will IGNORE any valid issues they may have with government!
(EXACTLY what Putin wants!)

If pushed TOO FAR

… the SCOAMF and SoS Kerry will simulataneously WET themselves.

PolAgnostic on February 19, 2014 at 3:32 PM

Secretary of State Robin Thicke could not be blurred for comment.

cbenoistd on February 19, 2014 at 3:33 PM

He’ll break out his pouty face.

rbj on February 19, 2014 at 3:33 PM

Yeah, right. The world is on fire and he watches his “favorite tv programs” – is there any conscience to him?

Cambodia is in flames and our press does nothing.

MN J on February 19, 2014 at 3:34 PM

So it goes something like this: Tea Party = terrorists, Ukrainian anarchists = freedom fighters. Amiright Barky?

mdenis39 on February 19, 2014 at 3:34 PM

He always reminds me of Arthur in Monty Python’s Holy Grail. And not just because I didn’t vote for him, but his ability to take himself so serious despite the obvious absurdities.

Flange on February 19, 2014 at 3:34 PM

It’s the world’s red line!

MJBrutus on February 19, 2014 at 3:36 PM

He won the presidential election, twice.

We are losers, not him.

cozmo on February 19, 2014 at 3:25 PM

true, true…

MMK on February 19, 2014 at 3:36 PM

Putin is laughing at Obama.

albill on February 19, 2014 at 3:37 PM

“If you want your red line , you can keep…”

the_nile on February 19, 2014 at 3:38 PM

In the words of Dirty Harry Callahan…Obama is a legend in his own mind.

logicman_1998 on February 19, 2014 at 3:39 PM

OBAMA WARNS: ‘There Will Be Consequences If People Step Over The Line’ In Ukraine
58 minutes ago
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President Barack Obama warned Wednesday that there will be “consequences” if people “step over the line” in what has already become a bloody situation in Ukraine over the past two days.

Speaking in Mexico, where he is meeting with the leaders of Mexico and Canada, Obama said that the U.S. holds the Ukrainian government “primarily responsible” for dealing peacefully with protesters. At least 25 people were killed on Tuesday as anti-government protests reached their most violent point.

“We expect peaceful protestors to remain peaceful and we’ll be monitoring very closely the situation, recognizing that with our European partners and the international community there will be consequences if people step over the line,” Obama said. “And that includes making sure the Ukrainian military does not step into what should be a set of issues that can be resolved by civilians.”

On Wednesday, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry raised the prospect of possible sanctions on Ukraine.
Here are Obama’s full remarks on the situation in Ukraine,

via the White House pool:

“The United States condemns in the strongest terms the violence that’s taking place. And we have been deeply engaged with our European partners as well as the Ukrainian government and the opposition to try to ensure that that violence ends. But we hold the Ukrainian government primarily responsible for making sure that it is dealing with peaceful protestors in an appropriate way, that the Ukrainian people are able to assemble and speak freely about their interests without fear of repression.

“And I want to be very clear as we work through these next several days in Ukraine that we’re going to be watching closely and we expect the Ukrainian government to show restraint, to not resort to violence in dealing with peaceful protestors. We’ve also said we expect peaceful protestors to remain peaceful and we’ll be monitoring very closely the situation, recognizing that with our European partners and the international community there will be consequences if people step over the line. And that includes making sure the Ukrainian military does not step into what should be a set of issues that can be resolved by civilians. So the United States will continue to engage with all sides in the dispute in Ukraine and ultimately our interest is to make sure the Ukrainian people can express their own desires and we believe a large majority of Ukrainians are interested in an integration with Europe and the commerce and cultural exchanges that are possible for them to expand opportunity and prosperity. But regardless of how the Ukrainian people determine their own future it is important the people themselves make those decisions and that’s what the United States will continue to strive to achieve.”
(More…)
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http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-statement-ukraine-violence-kiev-protests-2014-2

canopfor on February 19, 2014 at 3:40 PM

A sternly worded diplomatic demarche will be in the offing!

Just like in Syria.

A putz and his redlines are soon crossed.

ajacksonian on February 19, 2014 at 3:41 PM

No one gives a damn about what obama says.

They all know what he does, or actually doesn’t.

obama/Hillary are anti-freedom thugs.

Schadenfreude on February 19, 2014 at 3:41 PM

Name one people, I triple dare you, who are free, or freer, due to obama/Hillary.

Better be factual.

Schadenfreude on February 19, 2014 at 3:42 PM

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canopfor on February 19, 2014 at 3:42 PM

Results for #Ukraine

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canopfor on February 19, 2014 at 3:43 PM

Komrade Vlad: If we start killing in Kiev, whatcha gonna do about it?

Barack Obluster: Uhhhh…

Steve Z on February 19, 2014 at 3:43 PM

Dear leader didn’t call Putin himself cuz he was busy doubling our mpg, thus saving the world from agw or he wasn’t sure Putin would talk to him. Take your pick as to which one is more plausible.

Kissmygrits on February 19, 2014 at 3:43 PM

When Malia and Sasha are in a tiff, I bet they laugh when Daddy does his dopey “over the line” crap.

marybel on February 19, 2014 at 3:44 PM

Yesterday they imprisoned the opposition leader in Venezuela.

obama said nothing, on his way to selling, er giving, the USA to Mexico.

Schadenfreude on February 19, 2014 at 3:44 PM

Putin still focuses on the Olympics.

Wait until he’s free, again.

Schadenfreude on February 19, 2014 at 3:45 PM

He is such an embarrassment.

KateNE on February 19, 2014 at 3:45 PM

You know, consequences like a strongly worded letter.

Maybe a condemning speech.

OR, if he breaks out the BIG GUNS, a resolution of disapproval.

makattak on February 19, 2014 at 3:23 PM

No! Not the resolution of disapproval! That’s going way overboard.

Hill60 on February 19, 2014 at 3:45 PM

For the last almost six years, Obama has been busily embarrassing America. Now he’s just embarrassing himself. He should shut up and go play golf.

RebeccaH on February 19, 2014 at 3:46 PM

Name one people, I triple dare you, who are free, or freer, due to obama/Hillary.

Better be factual.

Schadenfreude on February 19, 2014 at 3:42 PM

One people or one person? If it’s person, how about Marc Rich? And who could forget Roger Clinton and Hugh Rodman. Yeah, they make sure their “people” are free. /s

rhombus on February 19, 2014 at 3:47 PM

Yeah okay

Oh how presidential of him
-lsm

cmsinaz on February 19, 2014 at 3:47 PM

It is to laugh.

Midas on February 19, 2014 at 3:47 PM

#Ukraine:victim of the #Yanukovych regime, shot in the head and multiple times in body, dead in hospital pic.twitter.com/mT9GgQHYsE #sochi2014

canopfor on February 19, 2014 at 3:42 PM

Yike.

Midas on February 19, 2014 at 3:48 PM

One people or one person? If it’s person, how about Marc Rich? And who could forget Roger Clinton and Hugh Rodman. Yeah, they make sure their “people” are free. /s

rhombus on February 19, 2014 at 3:47 PM

That’s Hugh Rodham, of course.

rhombus on February 19, 2014 at 3:48 PM

It’s not really a RED line, mind you. It’s more of a FUCHSIA line.

My collie says:

Fabulous!

CyberCipher on February 19, 2014 at 3:49 PM

Apparently Vlad has more flexibility after the election.

rhombus on February 19, 2014 at 3:49 PM

He always reminds me of Arthur in Monty Python’s Holy Grail. And not just because I didn’t vote for him, but his ability to take himself so serious despite the obvious absurdities.

Flange on February 19, 2014 at 3:34 PM

More like the Knights of Neat. Still trying to bite Arthur’s foot after Arthur cuts his legs off. Putin is Arthur with his sword–Barry O only has his mouth.

Steve Z on February 19, 2014 at 3:49 PM

Schadenfreude on February 19, 2014 at 3:42 PM

-Drug lords

-Despots

-illegal aliens

cozmo on February 19, 2014 at 3:50 PM

over the line

Means absolutely nothing to anyone, even Obama.

tommer74 on February 19, 2014 at 3:50 PM

Schadenfreude on February 19, 2014 at 3:42 PM
-Drug lords

-Despots

-illegal aliens

cozmo on February 19, 2014 at 3:50 PM

OBL and the Taliban

rhombus on February 19, 2014 at 3:51 PM

Didn’t Dear Reader forget to add “Period!” or “No matter what!” ?

Why he no say that?

VorDaj on February 19, 2014 at 3:51 PM

There’s nothing O can *say* that matters either way, actually. His actions have proven he’s a paper tiger – all hat, no cattle – and a few other cliches.

=====

Hmm, I first typed “all cat, no hattle”. It’s clearly margarita time.

Midas on February 19, 2014 at 3:52 PM

Heh, wait until the Olympics are over….

Putin will be calling in airstrikes with barrel bombs….

Putin and Assad will be comparing notes….on Obama.

redguy on February 19, 2014 at 3:53 PM

Hmm, I first typed “all cat, no hattle”. It’s clearly margarita time.

Midas on February 19, 2014 at 3:52 PM

If Margarete is fat just skittadle.

VorDaj on February 19, 2014 at 3:53 PM

More like the Knights of Neat.

Steve Z on February 19, 2014 at 3:49 PM

Technically, that’s ‘Knights of Ni’.

This respectful correction brought to you by the people responsible for sacking the people responsible for the moose/llama credits.

Midas on February 19, 2014 at 3:53 PM

Those responsible will be placed on double secret probation.

oldennis on February 19, 2014 at 3:54 PM

Putin is still laughing from the Syria deal…prob pee`d his boxers over this one. The Emperor not only has no clothes, he has morphed into The Laughing stockJoe Biden

NY Conservative on February 19, 2014 at 3:54 PM

Name one people, I triple dare you, who are free, or freer, due to obama/Hillary.

Better be factual.

Schadenfreude on February 19, 2014 at 3:42 PM

Millions of Americans are now freer from the slavery of the 40 hour work week to pursue over endeavors such as cowboy poetry, hot coco sipping in PJ’s and advanced child night tucking in-ing.

mechkiller_k on February 19, 2014 at 3:54 PM

Means absolutely nothing to anyone, even Obama.

tommer74 on February 19, 2014 at 3:50 PM

Yes…it…does…

cozmo on February 19, 2014 at 3:54 PM

Maybe he just likes being laughed at?

307wolverine on February 19, 2014 at 3:23 PM

Best laugh I had all day.

crankyoldlady on February 19, 2014 at 3:55 PM

More like the Knights of Neat. Still trying to bite Arthur’s foot after Arthur cuts his legs off. Putin is Arthur with his sword–Barry O only has his mouth.

Steve Z on February 19, 2014 at 3:49 PM

Nah, I’m sticking with Arthur. Everything they do turns to absurd failure, but he keeps looking like none of it affects him. There are those that might call Putin, Tim. Laughing as obozo and his gang get destroyed by the killer rabbit.

Flange on February 19, 2014 at 3:55 PM

Teddy Roosevelt: Speak softly and carry a big stick

Obama: Talk big and wave a twig

The reality is considering Ukraine’s location and the numerous commitments (and adventurers) our military are involved in, and the fact that sanctions, etc. will probably have little effect, I am not sure what we can do. Perhaps arm the opposition, but how? Plus if we do that Russia will stick it to us in Afghanistan (another reason to get out of that useless gutter).

Folks we have a bad hand…

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canopfor on February 19, 2014 at 3:55 PM

Obama vows there’ll be consequences if people “step over the line”

I’m assuming that killing people is not part of that line? You know, since that ship has already sailed.

A little late to the party- isn’t he?

Marcus Traianus on February 19, 2014 at 3:56 PM

With all of the bluster of Winnie the Pooh

jazzuscounty on February 19, 2014 at 3:58 PM

I’m sure Putin got a good laugh out of that.

Socratease on February 19, 2014 at 3:58 PM

“This time I REALLY mean it. I’m not kidding. You’ll be sorry. No joke. You think I’m playing around here but I’m not. No, Seriously. This is it. This is the line you will not cross.”

-Precedent O’bama Chamberlain

portlandon on February 19, 2014 at 4:00 PM

Obama’s bluster is about Putin sending in troops, which guarantees that Putin will send in troops.

This is Hungry ’56 all over again, Czechoslovakia, humna humna Teran Green [banned word] Streets mayhem, humna

Joseph OHenry on February 19, 2014 at 4:01 PM

It’s feeling a lot like America, circa 1978-79.

To those of you who were born post 1970, let’s just say that you’ve never experienced that kind of ugly up close and personal.

(No Gipper to the rescue this time, folks…)

Bruno Strozek on February 19, 2014 at 4:02 PM

If the Ukrainians want to protect themselves, they should BUY A SHOTGUN!
— Sheriff Joe

CyberCipher on February 19, 2014 at 4:03 PM

I swear this guy is trying to make the U S look like wusses. If you draw a red line in international politics you have to respond when that line gets crossed. Obama is the worst POTUS in US history. Worse than Nixon, Buchanan, Carter, or LBJ.

neyney on February 19, 2014 at 4:04 PM

The actions/inaction of this administration invite rogue elements to come at this country with extreme prejudice. It. Is. Coming.

HomeoftheBrave on February 19, 2014 at 4:04 PM

and this wimp/wussy makes Joe Biden call to the Ukraine. He couldn’t put down his pen down and pick up his phone.

France and another EU country is meeting with leaders in this country…where’s SOS dogface Kerry…..he’s telling Israel they have to stop building.

How FUBAR has this become??? esh

CoffeeLover on February 19, 2014 at 4:07 PM

Whatever. Does anyone even listen to, let alone believe anything that comes out of the mouth of Valerie Jarrett’s puppet anymore?

Diluculo on February 19, 2014 at 4:09 PM

Name one people, I triple dare you, who are free, or freer, due to obama/Hillary.

Better be factual.

Schadenfreude on February 19, 2014 at 3:42 PM

The Mexicans.

What do I win?

Nomennovum on February 19, 2014 at 4:10 PM

He is too busy castigating Fox News to be worried about the Ukraine for goodness sakes. Get the priorities straight!

djl130 on February 19, 2014 at 4:12 PM

We need to stay out of this one. Iran was different because of the ongoing saber rattling of their regime directed at us and Israel backed up by the prospect of nuclear weaponry.

Of course, Dear Leader said zilch about the Iranian protests.

Dr. ZhivBlago on February 19, 2014 at 4:13 PM

and this wimp/wussy makes Joe Biden call to the Ukraine.

Well, CoffeeLover, remember he told that reporter that he was president and that he could do anything–like hide behind his vp.

He was the one we were waiting for ya know!

jazzuscounty on February 19, 2014 at 4:13 PM

Criticizing President Obama for his “red line” on Syria is cheap and hypocritical when it comes from the same conservatives who stopped the intervention, claiming that we have no interests there. I was against the intervention myself, but you can hardly argue that Obama wasnt willing to go through with it.

Pasionaria on February 19, 2014 at 4:13 PM

No doubt the citizens of Kiev have had their spirits lifted in hearing this news…

… but then again, there is that whole Benghazi thingy, an they were American citizens.

Oh well, it sure sounded tough, didn’t it…?

/

Seven Percent Solution on February 19, 2014 at 4:16 PM

you can hardly argue that Obama wasnt willing to go through with it.

Pasionaria on February 19, 2014 at 4:13 PM

Yes I can. He put it up for a vote knowing it would be voted down. So, he’s doubly at fault, because he’s is such a coward, he has to shift blame others for his craven and empty threats.

Nomennovum on February 19, 2014 at 4:17 PM

Don’t call his bluff, Vladimir.

Mike Honcho on February 19, 2014 at 4:17 PM

there’ll be consequences if people “step over the line” in Ukraine

Putin: You see news, Dmitry?

Medveded: Da, da, Valimir. Oooooh Boss, do not cross obama’s … LINE!!!

silence

Room erupts into laughter.

Putin: Is funny?

Medveded: Da, da is funny.

hawkdriver on February 19, 2014 at 4:17 PM

I agree that this is not as strategic as Iran, but this country’s leaders could do more than a pissant phone call.

jazzuscounty on February 19, 2014 at 4:18 PM

Once the economy starts to go, they’ll have to resort to nationalism and war in order to distract the sheeple. Nobody can wage war like a peacemonger, though. So watch out.

Hannibal on February 19, 2014 at 4:18 PM

Criticizing President Obama for his “red line” on Syria is cheap and hypocritical when it comes from the same conservatives who stopped the intervention, claiming that we have no interests there. I was against the intervention myself, but you can hardly argue that Obama wasnt willing to go through with it.

Pasionaria on February 19, 2014 at 4:13 PM

Can we at least criticize all the peace-at-any-costs leftists hypocrites who didn’t say shit when he was threatening to attack Syria unilaterally?

hawkdriver on February 19, 2014 at 4:20 PM

I have said, ad nauseum, that no one should ever listen to his words but hold him accountable for his actions. Still no ones does this………..

Pardonme on February 19, 2014 at 4:20 PM

Criticizing President Obama for his “red line” on Syria is cheap and hypocritical when it comes from the same conservatives who stopped the intervention, claiming that we have no interests there. I was against the intervention myself, but you can hardly argue that Obama wasnt willing to go through with it.

Pasionaria on February 19, 2014 at 4:13 PM

Fool and Liar on display.

Schadenfreude on February 19, 2014 at 4:22 PM

Yes I can. He put it up for a vote knowing it would be voted down. So, he’s doubly at fault, because he’s is such a coward, he has to shift blame others for his craven and empty threats.

Nomennovum on February 19, 2014 at 4:17 PM

And if he had not put it up for a vote, people like you would be among those whining about the “shredding of the constitution” and the “imperial presidency”.

Pasionaria on February 19, 2014 at 4:22 PM

Ah, but he didn’t say it was a red line.

de rigueur on February 19, 2014 at 3:27 PM

Well, the red line apparently didn’t work very well, so he must be trying a different color.

dentarthurdent on February 19, 2014 at 4:23 PM

No one gives a damn about what obama says.

They all know what he does, or actually doesn’t.

obama/Hillary are anti-freedom thugs.

Schadenfreude on February 19, 2014 at 3:41 PM

I have said, ad nauseum, that no one should ever listen to his words but hold him accountable for his actions. Still no ones does this………..

Pardonme on February 19, 2014 at 4:20 PM

A leftist cow on Fox this a.m. “Hillary improved how the rest of the world sees the US, after GWB put us in a toilet with the world”.

Best laugh in a long time.

Name one free/freer people, due to obama/Hillary, I triple dare you.

Schadenfreude on February 19, 2014 at 4:24 PM

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