Russian punk rockers, human-rights activists arrested in Sochi

posted at 10:41 am on February 18, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

Call this an excellent demonstration of the “ring of steel” at Sochi, even if it’s aimed at dissent rather than terrorism. Two former members of the Russian protest band Pussy Riot and several other human-rights activists found themselves hauled off to jail while walking near the Olympic Village yesterday. The two band members were released a short while ago, but the activists may still be detained:

Two members of the Russian punk group Pussy Riot have been released after being detained by police in Sochi, the host city of the Winter Olympics.

No charges were filed against Nadezhda Tolokonnikova and Maria Alekhina, who were held along with several other people near the city’s ferry terminal, a popular area for fans celebrating the Olympics.

Supposedly the arrests related to the theft of a purse at their hotel, but the arrests of nine people sounds a bit like overkill for a simple purse snatching. The two women called ABC News to explain what happened:

“We were surrounded by FSB and other security forces and they stopped us every day. The day before yesterday they detained us to inspect our documents, we spent nine hours in the police station,” she said.

“Yesterday we spent hours at the FSB and they openly told us that we are wanted. And today we were walking along the sea near the seaport building in Sochi and we were surrounded by police, and they arrested us, saying that something was stolen in our hotel. They used force, shoved us into the car and brought us into the police station, locked in a room surrounded by police,” Tolokonnikova added.

Police did not respond to calls by ABC News for comment.

One of the other activists detained said they were arrested after leaving a church and were walking toward the port. A total of nine people were arrested, Semyon Simonov said, and are still being held for questioning. He said they were not carrying any banners or shouting at the time of the arrest.

The pair had come to Russia to cut an English-language protest song, “Putin Will Make You Love Your Motherland,” which they see as the reason for the FSB’s intense interest rather than a missing purse. They had been expelled from Pussy Riot last month for spending too much time on activism for prison reform rather than “feminism, separatist resistance, fight against authoritarianism and personality cult,” the group said in a statement quoted by ABC. For some reason, that reminds me of this (NSFW):

We can joke about this, but the Russians take the propaganda fight seriously. To get a sense of just how seriously they take it, state-owned Rossiya 1 pre-empted the Olympics to run an 85-minute program explaining to Russians how the United States planned to create a legion of traitors to dismantle the Soviet Union — er, I mean the Russian Federation:

An attack on the “daily betrayals” that Russia suffers, the film argued that America has waged and still wages a cunning psychological war against this country, picking up where the Nazis left off in 1945. (This wouldn’t be Russia without a dark reference to World War II.) Americans want nothing less, it said, than the breakup of the Russian Federation.

“Their aim,” said a historian named Yuri Zhukov, “is to create as many traitors as possible, who would be able to cooperate with the new occupiers.”

Coming in the midst of a winter sports festival designed to promote international harmony, and just days after President Vladimir Putin’s amicable visit to the American Olympic house here, the prime-time film on nationwide TV portrayed the United States as an implacably hostile and astonishingly competent foe.

Anti-Americanism is par for the course on state-supported Russian TV, but the airing of the film on a night of Olympic action made an especially unsubtle point.

To prove its case, the film interspersed clips of Nazi propaganda chief Joseph Goebbels with snippets from 1950s American TV ads, paused briefly on the punk protest group Pussy Riot, and cut from the toppling of a statue of Saddam Hussein in Baghdad by U.S. troops in 2003 to the toppling of a statue of Lenin in Kiev, Ukraine, by protesters in December.

This seems like a good time to remind people of the “reset button” that was supposed to improve relations between the US and Russia, because Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton blamed the existing issues on George W. Bush’s supposed arrogance:

Smart power.

Oh, by the way, about those theft charges? Er …

yeah.


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How often does that band make the news because reporters like saying “Pussy Riot?”

myiq2xu on February 18, 2014 at 10:43 AM

Russia is nothing more than a dictatorship ruled by Putin and his band of thugs.

SC.Charlie on February 18, 2014 at 10:44 AM

This is what Obama would do to Fox News, talk radio hosts, Matt Drudge, and practically every registered Republican if he had gun confiscation so his Regime Goons could pull it off without getting mowed down in the streets..

ConstantineXI on February 18, 2014 at 10:46 AM

We laugh but this is the same thing as what is happening to Zimmerman now.

blammm on February 18, 2014 at 10:48 AM

We laugh but this is the same thing as what is happening to Zimmerman now. – blammm on February 18, 2014 at 10:48 AM

Who is laughing?

SC.Charlie on February 18, 2014 at 10:51 AM

An attack on the “daily betrayals” that Russia suffers, the film argued that America has waged and still wages a cunning psychological war against this country,

Kind of funny since, in reality, the ideological war has merely morphed and metastasized back upon its perpetrators.

Fenris on February 18, 2014 at 10:53 AM

I’m not laughing…

OmahaConservative on February 18, 2014 at 10:53 AM

This is what Obama would do to Fox News, talk radio hosts, Matt Drudge, and practically every registered Republican…

ConstantineXI on February 18, 2014 at 10:46 AM

The Left doesn’t have to resort to such heavy-handedness since they rule the country. Fox, Limbaugh, elected Republicans, middle America (that votes Republican) etc. are a very, very weak opposition.

Punchenko on February 18, 2014 at 10:59 AM

My guess is that a majority of Russian Citizens support this type of activity. I heard that 70% support the gay propaganda ban. So the “democratically” elected government is in lockstep with public opinion in Russia.

I only point this out because we are nearing a point in our democracy that our citizens are supporting similar measures and tactics, just on the opposite end of the spectrum.

Freedom of speech and association are paramount to keeping democracy. Anything else results in a slow march toward totalitarianism.

airupthere on February 18, 2014 at 10:59 AM

James Novogrod ‏@JamieNBCNews 59m

“They were just strolling in the park,” Petr Verzilov, Pussy Riot husband, tells @RichardEngel : http://instagram.com/p/kj77OqGAf9/

canopfor on February 18, 2014 at 11:02 AM

The Russian law which is causing so much controversy does not ban homosexuality, it bans pro-homosexual points of view. We should be aware that both Canada and Sweden have prosecuted people for anti-homosexual points of view. Someone submitting an op-ed to their college newspaper opposing the equating of gay and traditional marriage might find themselves the object of disciplinary action by the school. Someone stating the traditional view in a workplace might find themselves required to attend diversity sensitivity training.

jvermeer on February 18, 2014 at 11:02 AM

Russia The USA is nothing more than a dictatorship ruled by Putin Obama and his band of thugs.

SC.Charlie on February 18, 2014 at 10:44 AM

We are close behind and catching up…

PatriotRider on February 18, 2014 at 11:05 AM

The Left doesn’t have to resort to such heavy-handedness since they rule the country. Fox, Limbaugh, elected Republicans, middle America (that votes Republican) etc. are a very, very weak opposition.
Punchenko on February 18, 2014 at 10:59 AM

Still though, Dear Leader is very thin skinned, quick to anger, and he hates his opposition.

ConstantineXI on February 18, 2014 at 11:08 AM

Photo: Pussy Riot members released from police department in Sochi, Russia – @JamieNBCNews
see original on instagram.com
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http://instagram.com/p/kj0_SeGAYl/#

canopfor on February 18, 2014 at 11:09 AM

2014 Sochi Olympics
1h
Police in Sochi ‘looking for any reason to arrest us,’ Pussy Riot’s Nadezhda Tolokonnikova says after her release – @BBCNews
read more on bbc.co.uk

canopfor on February 18, 2014 at 11:11 AM

Russian punk rockers, human-rights activists arrested in Sochi

Who cares? Russian punk-rockers – especially those p*ssy riot idiots – are just plain annoying while most “human rights activists” are anti-Western dirtbags who belong in jail.

This seems like a good time to remind people of the “reset button” that was supposed to improve relations between the US and Russia,

And, once again, I have to remind you that there was no “reset” button – thanks to Shrillary’s inability to get State to properly translate one, simple word into a language that we had to spy in and eavesdrop on for over half a century – only an “overcharged” (as in ‘about to blow’) button … which evidently worked.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on February 18, 2014 at 11:13 AM

How many of you people are aware that P*ssy Riot are not protesting for representative democracy, but for a return to Stalinist Marxism?

How many of you have actually taken the time to find out exactly what it was that Pu$$y Riot did that got them arrested and thrown in prison in the first place?

How many of you are aware that had Pussy Riot committed the acts of vandalism pretty much anywhere in America that they would have received very similar jail or prison time here as they did in Russia?

In short, Pussy Riot is a perfect example in how the Mainstream Media deceives and manipulates you every single day.

Pussy Riot are hardcore Marxist extremists, they are not angry with Putin because he is a repressive throw back to the old Soviet Union, but the exact opposite, because he is not.

Pussy Riot was arrested and convicted, for spray painting vulgar and offensive graffiti all over the inside of a famous Russian Orthodox Church.

oscarwilde on February 18, 2014 at 11:14 AM

My Canadian Beavers rock to Pussy Riot,
during tree-cutting and clearing operations!
(snark)

canopfor on February 18, 2014 at 11:14 AM

MeanWhile,………..

Ukraine protests over EU agreement delay
1h
Ukraine law enforcement services issue ultimatum, give opposition 2 hours to stop unrest – @VoiceofRussia

canopfor on February 18, 2014 at 11:15 AM

Sounds like Honest Abe and his suspension of the writ of habeas corpus.

vnvet on February 18, 2014 at 11:16 AM

We should be aware that both Canada and Sweden have prosecuted people for anti-homosexual points of view. Someone submitting an op-ed to their college newspaper opposing the equating of gay and traditional marriage might find themselves the object of disciplinary action by the school. Someone stating the traditional view in a workplace might find themselves required to attend diversity sensitivity training.

jvermeer on February 18, 2014 at 11:02 AM

They are made to confess their crimes or else be ruined for life:

http://dailycaller.com/2014/02/17/student-forced-to-apologize-for-emailing-pic-of-obama-kicking-a-door-because-racism/

Confess your crimes, Comrade!

Still though, Dear Leader is very thin skinned, quick to anger, and he hates his opposition.

ConstantineXI on February 18, 2014 at 11:08 AM

LOL, what opposition?

The Left gets everything it wants. It gets bigger government, more spending, more entitlement programs, more PC thought-crime laws, more power to harass Americans, open borders, etc. etc. etc.

Hell, even Reagan couldn’t cut down Leviathan. And when the GOP had Congress and the White House, what did they do? Why, they made government bigger and even more powerful.

Please, the Republicans are a weak, powerless Token Opposition that marches to the beat of the Ruling Left’s drum. Every “center-right” party in the West follows the Ruling Left.

Punchenko on February 18, 2014 at 11:18 AM

Ukraine protests over EU agreement delay
45s
Ukrainian opposition leader says police could be readying to storm Kiev square, asks president to ‘end violent confrontation’ – @Reuters
read more on trust.org
=======================

Ukraine’s Klitschko says police could be readying to storm square
Source: Reuters – Tue, 18 Feb 2014 04:12 PM
Author: Reuters

http://www.trust.org/item/20140218155215-vij46

canopfor on February 18, 2014 at 11:21 AM

My guess is that a majority of Russian Citizens support this type of activity. I heard that 70% support the gay propaganda ban. So the “democratically” elected government is in lockstep with public opinion in Russia.

I only point this out because we are nearing a point in our democracy that our citizens are supporting similar measures and tactics, just on the opposite end of the spectrum.

Freedom of speech and association are paramount to keeping democracy. Anything else results in a slow march toward totalitarianism. – airupthere on February 18, 2014 at 10:59 AM

Do you really think that elections in Russia are free and fair? Putan arrests and imprisons those that oppose him.

SC.Charlie on February 18, 2014 at 11:22 AM

Some of em look ok:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrLI-5xYybo

WhatSlushfund on February 18, 2014 at 11:22 AM

Punchenko on February 18, 2014 at 11:18 AM

Ya, but they still hate even token opposition. And the opposition responds by being even more servile, so it’s a successful strategy.

Fenris on February 18, 2014 at 11:22 AM

2014 Sochi Olympics
2m
International Olympic Committee defends removal of an Italian gay rights activist from a Sochi arena, saying she was ‘escorted from there peacefully’ and not detained – @AP
read more on ironmountaindailynews.com

canopfor on February 18, 2014 at 11:27 AM

How often does that band make the news because reporters like saying “Pussy Riot?”

myiq2xu on February 18, 2014 at 10:43 AM

I would guess a lot. If not for their name their only claim to fame is a stupid prank that most people have never heard about.

HotAirian on February 18, 2014 at 11:29 AM

How many of you people are aware that Pu$#y Riot are not protesting for representative democracy, but for a return to Stalinist Marxism?

How many of you have actually taken the time to find out exactly what it was that Pu$$y Riot did that got them arrested and thrown in prison in the first place?

How many of you are aware that had they committed the acts of vandalism pretty much anywhere in America that they would have received very similar jail or prison time here as they did in Russia?

In short, they is a perfect example in how the Mainstream Media deceives and manipulates you every single day.

They are hardcore Marxist extremists, they are not angry with Putin because he is a repressive throw back to the old Soviet Union, but the exact opposite, because he is not.

They were arrested and convicted, for spray painting vulgar and offensive graffiti all over the inside of a famous Russian Orthodox Church.

oscarwilde on February 18, 2014 at 11:31 AM

Scary, the next thing you know, the IRS will be targeting Tea Party members or something…

kirkill on February 18, 2014 at 11:31 AM

Putan arrests and imprisons those that oppose him.
SC.Charlie on February 18, 2014 at 11:22 AM

Just like Obama.

tommyboy on February 18, 2014 at 11:33 AM

This is what Obama would do to Fox News, talk radio hosts, Matt Drudge, and practically every registered Republican…

The Left doesn’t have to resort to such heavy-handedness since they rule the country. Fox, Limbaugh, elected Republicans, middle America (that votes Republican) etc. are a very, very weak opposition.

.
He tried to have Fox news removed from WH press conferences his first week in office.

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on February 18, 2014 at 11:36 AM

Does anyone think that Rupert Murdoch or any Russian would be allowed to broadcast a Fox News like station in Russia?

SC.Charlie on February 18, 2014 at 11:38 AM

He [Obama] tried to have Fox news removed from WH press conferences his first week in office. – Dr. Carlo Lombardi on February 18, 2014 at 11:36 AM

And, Obama is still waging war with Fox News, blaming Fox News for spreading misinformation about him and his administration. He is a Putin want-to-be.

SC.Charlie on February 18, 2014 at 11:41 AM

oscarwilde on February 18, 2014 at 11:31 AM

I must admit, I honestly didn’t know that. Thanks for the background and the perspective.

WhatSlushfund on February 18, 2014 at 11:41 AM

How many of you people are aware that Pu$#y Riot are not protesting for representative democracy, but for a return to Stalinist Marxism? – oscarwilde on February 18, 2014 at 11:31 AM

Baloney.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pussy_Riot

Pussy Riot is a Russian feminist punk rock protest group based in Moscow. Founded in August 2011, it has a variable membership of approximately 11 women[1] ranging in age from about 20 to 33.[2] They stage unauthorized provocative guerrilla performances in unusual public locations, which are edited into music videos and posted on the Internet.[3] Their lyrical themes include feminism, LGBT rights, opposition to the policies of democratically elected Russian President Vladimir Putin, whom they regard as a dictator,[2] and links between Putin and the leadership of the Russian Orthodox Church.[4]
On February 21, 2012, five members of the group staged a protest inside Moscow’s Cathedral of Christ the Savior which disrupted worshippers with dancing and the shouting of profanities.[5] Their actions were stopped by church security officials. The Russian Orthodox Church considered the action a desecration of Moscow’s most holy place. By that evening, they had turned the performance into a music video entitled “Punk Prayer – Mother of God, Chase Putin Away!”[6] The women said their protest was directed at the Orthodox Church leader’s support for Putin during his election campaign.
On March 3, 2012, two of the group members, Nadezhda Tolokonnikova and Maria Alyokhina, were arrested and charged with hooliganism. A third member, Yekaterina Samutsevich, was arrested on March 16. Denied bail, they were held in custody until their trial began in late July. On August 17, 2012, the three members were convicted of “hooliganism motivated by religious hatred”, and each was sentenced to two years imprisonment.[7][8][9] Two other members of the group, who escaped arrest after February’s protest, reportedly left Russia fearing prosecution.[10] On October 10, following an appeal, Samutsevich was freed on probation, her sentence suspended. The sentences of the other two women were upheld.[11] In late October 2012, Alyokhina and Tolokonnikova were sent to separate prisons.[12]
The trial and sentence attracted considerable support as well criticism,[13] particularly in the West. The case was adopted by human rights groups including Amnesty International, which designated the women prisoners of conscience,[14] and by a number of prominent entertainers.[15] Public opinion in Russia was generally less sympathetic towards the women.[16][17] Putin stated that the band had “undermined the moral foundations” of the nation and “got what they asked for”.[18] Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev said he did not think the three members of Pussy Riot should have been sent to jail, but stressed that the release of the remaining two imprisoned members was a matter for the courts.[19][20][21] Having served 21 months, Tolokonnikova and Alyokhina were released on December 23, 2013 after the State Duma approved an amnesty.[22] In February 2014, a statement was made anonymously on behalf of some members of the group that both Alyokhina and Tolokonnikova were no longer members of Pussy Riot.[23]

SC.Charlie on February 18, 2014 at 11:47 AM

Oscarwilde is not telling the truth. And, because of the censors at HotAir will not allow the use of the word pu$$y, I can not give you link to Wikipedia about Pu$$y Riot members and their beliefs. If you want to know the truth you will have to do your own research.

SC.Charlie on February 18, 2014 at 11:54 AM

Well, I will be damned, it did pass HotAir’s censors. Note that they are not Marxists as oscarwilde contends.

SC.Charlie on February 18, 2014 at 11:58 AM

SC.Charlie on February 18, 2014 at 11:47 AM

SC, with respect, I don’t see how any of that contradicts what oscarwilde stated. Unless the graffiti charge is false. Am I missing something?

My guess is that this band is just a run-of-the-mill Russian version of slut-power hipster punks who don’t know much, but like causing trouble. But that’s just a guess.

The real problem, it seems to me, is that Communism has been so successfully glamorized by the Western media, that the young and dumb actually think that it is a good idea.

WhatSlushfund on February 18, 2014 at 12:13 PM

The one is smokin’

antisense on February 18, 2014 at 12:17 PM

When I used to study Russian in college back in the late 1960s to around 1971, we used to have to translate a Pravda front page every week. Our professor had stacks and stacks of them. Every one of them had some story about World War 2 on the front page.
It’s nice to see some things haven’t changed.

bugsy on February 18, 2014 at 12:25 PM

WhatSlushfund on February 18, 2014 at 12:13 PM

Oscarwilde called them Marxist, they are not. That said, I don’t support their tactics of trashing Russian Orthodox Churches. They should adopt peaceful protests that would get them in the same legal trouble, especially if they march in support of Gay Rights.

SC.Charlie on February 18, 2014 at 12:31 PM

SC.Charlie on February 18, 2014 at 11:58 AM

I suggest you educate yourself, and no… reading a Wikipedia entry does not constitute educating ones self.


P***y Riot – Band or Propaganda Ploy?

Left, Notice the Marxist clinched fist and the motto “no pasarán”, made famous
by the Spanish Communist Party and the Sandinistas of Nicaragua

Pu**y Riot is not a rock band. They have never recorded a CD, never played in a show. They are part of a program to destabilize Russia, ironically using Communist (Illuminati) tactics.

by Marcos
(henrymakow.com)

It is not something we see everyday: the entire western media, pop stars like Sting, Madonna and Macartney running amok over an obscure Russian punk girlie band. The left wing newspaper Guardian in London screams “It is worse than the Soviet era”, and is echoed by one of the bastions of neocons in America, Freedom House, through its director Susan Corke.

The group is called Pu**y Riot, and they were arrested for hooliganism and desecration of the Moscow Cathedral, singing blasphemous verses, and attacking president Putin. Last week, they have been sentenced to two years in jail. They were not condemned for their political views, which they have freely expressed many times before.

Pu**y Riot is not a band They have never recorded a CD, never played in a show. In fact, they are a radical communist group, that loves Karl Marx and performs in honor of Che Guevara’s birthday. They are a branch of the extremist group “Voina”, (the word means war), that is known for many disgusting and even dangerous agit-prop actions since 2002. Here is an article describing their obscene stunts. Now there is strong evidence that they have been supported by agencies from the western elite.

It is interesting to notice that most countries have similar laws against attacks on religion, including England, where the penalty is even more severe, the US and even Brazil, where the action can result in one year of jail time.

GLOBAL CAMPAIGN AGAINST MORALITY AND RELIGION

Pu**y Riot now joins the bare-breasted Ukranian Femen group, the “March of the Sluts” groups and the Gay Parades that have been in the news lately. Always well funded, their agenda is extreme feminism, cultural marxism and the destruction of all traditional relgious and family values. The use of “frontmen”, agents provocateurs who end up as “victims” after intentional confrontation is an old tactic of Cultural Marxists.

Russia is now a special target since the country has turned to more nationalist, conservative ways. Recently, Russia has forbidden gay parades for 100 years, and Saint Petersburg does not allow propaganda that may expose children to the gay lifestyle. They also regulated and controlled foreign-funded NGOs, thus cutting the arms of foreign influence in Russia.

The proof that the global media doesn’t care about freedom of expression is that, almost at the same time, Julian Assange from Wikileaks fame was thrown to the dogs. There was even talk about Britain invading the Ecuador embassy in order to arrest him. Madonna surely didn’t utter a word to support him.

oscarwilde on February 18, 2014 at 12:32 PM

Oscarwilde called them Marxist, they are not. That said, I don’t support their tactics of trashing Russian Orthodox Churches. They should adopt peaceful protests that would get them in the same legal trouble, especially if they march in support of Gay Rights.

SC.Charlie on February 18, 2014 at 12:31 PM

Like I said, educate yourself, you have been deceived.

oscarwilde on February 18, 2014 at 12:33 PM

Hooliganism aside my issue with this group is the fact that they call themselves a Punk Rock group. Their music isn’t punk or rock or even original, it’s just terrible. I actually tried to listen to it. Political statements aside their songs are an assault on the senses and an insult to Punk Rock. Making horrible music is not a crime but the fact is nobody would have ever heard of them if not for their publicity stunts and imprisonment.

Buttercup on February 18, 2014 at 12:49 PM

Nothing really would surprise me, but the phrase “no pasarán” is French. And, it means, they shall not pass. And, has been used by many groups. As I stated, I do not approve of their tactics of destroying Russian Orthodox Churches, even if the Russian Orthodox Church is an ally of Putan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/They_shall_not_pass

“They shall not pass” (French: ‘Ils ne passeront pas/On ne passe pas’; Spanish: ‘¡No pasarán!’) is a slogan used to express determination to defend a position against an enemy.

It was most famously used during the Battle of Verdun in World War I by French General Robert Nivelle. It appears on propaganda posters, such as that by Maurice Neumont after the Second Battle of the Marne, which was later adopted on uniform badges by units manning the Maginot Line. Later during the war, it also was used by Romanian soldiers during the Battle of Mărăşeşti (the Romanian translation of the phrase is “Pe aici nu se trece”).

It was also used during the Spanish Civil War, this time at the Siege of Madrid by Dolores Ibárruri Gómez, a member of the Communist Party of Spain, in her famous “No Pasarán” speech on 18 July 1936. The leader of the fascist forces, Generalísimo Francisco Franco, upon gaining Madrid, responded to this slogan with “Hemos pasado” (“We have passed”).

“¡No pasarán!” was used by British anti-fascists during the October 1936 Battle of Cable Street, and is still used in this context in some political circles. It was often accompanied by the words pasaremos (we will pass) to indicate that communists rather than fascists will be the ones to seize state power.[1]

The phrase was used again in December 1943 by French-Canadian officer Paul Triquet of the Royal 22e Regiment at Casa Berardi, in an action for which he was awarded the Victoria Cross. The phrase was again used in December 2002 by Colonel Emmanuel Maurin, commanding a French Foreign Legion unit in the Ivory Coast; without communist or far left connotations. In last quarter of 2009, it has been used in the political propaganda of Estonia by the Estonian Centre Party.

In March 2010, the phrase “No pasarán!” was again adopted by anti-fascist leftist forces who created Unite Against Fascism against the English Defence League; one of the first instances[citation needed] of the slogan being used in this era was the Bolton EDL rally.[2]

In February 2011, “No pasarán!” was used by leftist demonstrators blockading a street in Dresden to stop a neo-Nazi march.

In August 2012 during the trial of Russian feminist punk band Pussy Riot group member Nadezhda Tolokonnikova wore a t-shirt with the slogan “¡NO PASARÁN!” written across the front.[3]

SC.Charlie on February 18, 2014 at 12:52 PM

reading a Wikipedia entry does not constitute educating ones self.

oscarwilde on February 18, 2014 at 12:32 PM

+1000
You can write anything and Wikepedia will print it.
Anyone who quotes Wikepedia should be shunned and publicly humiliated.

Buttercup on February 18, 2014 at 12:53 PM

oscarwilde on February 18, 2014 at 12:32 PM

Wow oscarwilde , interesting stuff. If what you say is true, then, yes, this seems like a major infiltration, deception, and something much more deliberately devious than I previously thought.

I’ve been into punk since my dad took me to my first show at age 11. I’ve seen thousands of shows. I practically grew up in punk venues. There is a lot of Socialist BS talk in the scene, but for me, it was always just talk. It was a joke. At 18, it seemed so impossible that Communism would ever be implemented that it was just a way to freak people out.

But now it’s weird. This seems like a real thing. How could anyone think this is a good idea? It’s got to be one of the dumbest political systems in human history. I’ve always been against fascism, and I always will be until my dying breath. Perhaps Pu$$y Riot-ers are fascists in disguise.

WhatSlushfund on February 18, 2014 at 12:57 PM

Their music isn’t punk or rock or even original, it’s just terrible.

Buttercup on February 18, 2014 at 12:49 PM

Meh, the music’s ok. But if what oscarwilde is saying is true, and they have never played a show, then they are obviously fake.

Sometimes it takes a long time for US trends to make their way over to Eastern Europe, which is why I thought that maybe Pu$$y Riot was just a bit behind the times (cf. Fight Club imagery). But now it seems like they might be deliberately fake.

WhatSlushfund on February 18, 2014 at 1:02 PM

+1000
You can write anything and Wikepedia will print it.
Anyone who quotes Wikepedia should be shunned and publicly humiliated. – Buttercup on February 18, 2014 at 12:53 PM

Wikipedia does a pretty good. Anyone can create any website on the Internet and say anything they wish to say. Did you try oscarwilde’s link? Who is behind that website.

SC.Charlie on February 18, 2014 at 1:04 PM

That “reset” stupidity still gets me. Was it done on purpose to make us look stupid? Or did no one in the process have any knowledge of Russian at all, even to the point where no one noticed that the letters looked kinda funny. Imagine if the Russians had given us a button saying, “PИCЭT.” “That’s ‘reset’ in English, right?”

And after they dismissed Bush’s looking into Putin’s soul as dumb power.

calbear on February 18, 2014 at 1:10 PM

The second defense of PussyRiot by hotair in as many weeks. First MKH and now Morissey. Did you both go to the same JournoList anti-christian seminar together?

weathermen on February 18, 2014 at 1:42 PM

Do you really think that elections in Russia are free and fair? Putan arrests and imprisons those that oppose him.

SC.Charlie on February 18, 2014 at 11:22 AM

While here in the good old USA, land of the free and home of the brave…Obama just sics the IRS on them

merleliz on February 18, 2014 at 1:49 PM

Wikipedia does a pretty good. Anyone can create any website on the Internet and say anything they wish to say. Did you try oscarwilde’s link? Who is behind that website.

SC.Charlie on February 18, 2014 at 1:04 PM

I don’t consider myself informed wholly on what a few commenters write regardless of the source of their links. Anybody who does is intellectually lazy. There is much more to PR than what you or Oscarwilde or anyone else provided here. I was mortified to hear about their prison sentence and thought I could support them through their music so I did some research and it turns out they don’t make music.

Buttercup on February 18, 2014 at 1:50 PM

Note that they are not Marxists as oscarwilde contends.

SC.Charlie on February 18, 2014 at 11:58 AM

They came out of Voina which is a hard-line Marxist group.

If you like wikipedia so much…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voina

The Voina Group in May 2008, shortly before the action “Humiliation of a cop in his own house”, including future Pu**y Riot members Nadezhda Tolokonnikova (far right) and Yekaterina Samutsevich (middle, white shirt).

sharrukin on February 18, 2014 at 2:02 PM

I don’t consider myself informed wholly on what a few commenters write regardless of the source of their links. Anybody who does is intellectually lazy. There is much more to PR than what you or Oscarwilde or anyone else provided here. I was mortified to hear about their prison sentence and thought I could support them through their music so I did some research and it turns out they don’t make music. – Buttercup on February 18, 2014 at 1:50 PM

I have stayed informed from number of sources about PR. One being a 60 Minutes segment on TV. Have yet to hear that they are Marxist. They may very well be socialist, which would not surprise me. And, as I continue state I don’t approve of their tactics of church vandalism.

SC.Charlie on February 18, 2014 at 2:12 PM

Have yet to hear that they are Marxist. They may very well be socialist, which would not surprise me.

SC.Charlie on February 18, 2014 at 2:12 PM

Genuinely curious: how are you distinguishing Marxism from Socialism?

WhatSlushfund on February 18, 2014 at 2:18 PM

sharrukin on February 18, 2014 at 2:02 PM

I read you link. There is no mention of them being hard line Marxists. They appear to be more in the vein of a young group of anti-government anarchists/socialists, who steal to exist, which I did not know. As I continue to say I don’t support their vandalism and I will add to that, I don’t approve of their manner of living.

SC.Charlie on February 18, 2014 at 2:26 PM

SC.Charlie on February 18, 2014 at 2:26 PM

It was founded on a radical left agenda

Free Voina website…

http://en.free-voina.org/post/22267051835

There is an anecdote or perhaps it’s just someone’s memory of Kazimir Malevich: after the revolution in Petrograd, armed with a pistol, he passed through artists’ studios asking who was still painting birches and demanded real art. Armed with a weapon. That is real art.

Fond memories of those bygone days when you could just shoot anyone who wasn’t performing as the revolution demanded.

sharrukin on February 18, 2014 at 2:40 PM

Genuinely curious: how are you distinguishing Marxism from Socialism? – WhatSlushfund on February 18, 2014 at 2:18 PM

I could spend all day trying to make you understand the difference. I don’t see the need to do so. Do some research on your own. I will state that classical Marxism conceived by Marx was a system where the state was to whither away. In Soviet Russia hard-line Marxism, the state surely did not whither away.

SC.Charlie on February 18, 2014 at 2:44 PM

I will state that classical Marxism conceived by Marx was a system where the state was to whither away. In Soviet Russia hard-line Marxism, the state surely did not whither away.

SC.Charlie on February 18, 2014 at 2:44 PM

That is because Stateless Communism is a fantasy and Russia was a real country that could not be ruled by a fantasy ideology.

sharrukin on February 18, 2014 at 2:47 PM

It was founded on a radical left agenda – sharrukin on February 18, 2014 at 2:40 PM

The PR consists of a group of around twenty young people. At one time Charles Krauthammer was a Democrat who worked to elect Walter Mondale. The young are usually young and foolish. Let’s pray that they grow up.

SC.Charlie on February 18, 2014 at 2:51 PM

That is because Stateless Communism is a fantasy and Russia was a real country that could not be ruled by a fantasy ideology. – sharrukin on February 18, 2014 at 2:47 PM

We agree.

SC.Charlie on February 18, 2014 at 2:52 PM

At one time Charles Krauthammer was a Democrat who worked to elect Walter Mondale.

SC.Charlie on February 18, 2014 at 2:51 PM

Was he fantasizing about murdering people?

sharrukin on February 18, 2014 at 3:00 PM

Genuinely curious: how are you distinguishing Marxism from Socialism?

WhatSlushfund on February 18, 2014 at 2:18 PM

By the t-shirts.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on February 18, 2014 at 3:13 PM

Was he fantasizing about murdering people? – sharrukin on February 18, 2014 at 3:00 PM

I don’t know if Krauthammer ever fantasized killing someone, but he might have. Have the PR youngsters killed anyone? I believe that they are more afraid that they are going to be killed by Putin’s thugs.

SC.Charlie on February 18, 2014 at 3:13 PM

Have the PR youngsters killed anyone? I believe that they are more afraid that they are going to be killed by Putin’s thugs.

SC.Charlie on February 18, 2014 at 3:13 PM

Do you know who Nazbol is?

What Voina thinks of them

The authorities have turned on their shredder more than once; we remember the heroic and tragic story of the Nazbol, whose force was crushed under the weight of hysterical repression and underhanded murder.

Recall that Nadezhda Tolokonnikova and others from Putty Riot were members of Voina.

It’s clear that they need something much bigger. A multitude of brigades, gangs and militant squads are being formed in the underground at this very moment. Serious preparations and training are going on, none of which is evident on the surface, and shouldn’t in fact be evident.

Gee…this reminds me of something…just can’t put my finger on it.

sharrukin on February 18, 2014 at 3:27 PM

Sharrukin you have them tried and convicted. You are welcome to join Putin’s firing squad at their execution. Apparently he is your idol and you love dictators.

SC.Charlie on February 18, 2014 at 4:36 PM

Sharrukin you have them tried and convicted. You are welcome to join Putin’s firing squad at their execution. Apparently he is your idol and you love dictators.

SC.Charlie on February 18, 2014 at 4:36 PM

Maybe they just aren’t the spunky heroic figures the media is trying to paint them as? They are Bolsheviks and see the Russian Fascist Party as heroic.

You are being played by leftists and its obvious you want to be played, so I will leave with your illusions.

sharrukin on February 18, 2014 at 4:43 PM

You are being played by leftists and its obvious you want to be played, so I will leave with your illusions. – sharrukin on February 18, 2014 at 4:43 PM

I guess you are saying the Ed Morrissey who wrote the article on them and an editor of HotAir is a leftist. You need to discuss this issue with him.

SC.Charlie on February 18, 2014 at 6:05 PM

I guess you are saying the Ed Morrissey who wrote the article on them and an editor of HotAir is a leftist. You need to discuss this issue with him.

SC.Charlie on February 18, 2014 at 6:05 PM

No. He just believes the news media and the garbage that is being fed him. He knows that domestically its garbage and politically slanted but for some reason expects that it will be perfectly unbiased when it comes to international events.

sharrukin on February 18, 2014 at 6:09 PM

All the teams from western nations should pull out immediately in solidarity with the people of Ukraine against Putin.

flataffect on February 18, 2014 at 6:59 PM

No. He just believes the news media and the garbage that is being fed him. He knows that domestically its garbage and politically slanted but for some reason expects that it will be perfectly unbiased when it comes to international events. – sharrukin on February 18, 2014 at 6:09 PM

As I said, your argument is Ed Morrissey.

SC.Charlie on February 18, 2014 at 7:04 PM

Oops, correction:

No. He just believes the news media and the garbage that is being fed him. He knows that domestically its garbage and politically slanted but for some reason expects that it will be perfectly unbiased when it comes to international events. – sharrukin on February 18, 2014 at 6:09 PM

As I said, your argument is with Ed Morrissey.

SC.Charlie on February 18, 2014 at 7:27 PM

All the teams from western nations should pull out immediately in solidarity with the people of Ukraine against Putin. – flataffect on February 18, 2014 at 6:59 PM

Sadly, this is not going to happen.

SC.Charlie on February 18, 2014 at 7:28 PM