Obama job approval under water … in Minnesota

posted at 8:41 am on February 17, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

And even more surprising, in the Star Tribune poll, which usually tilts significantly in sympathy to Democrats. Barack Obama’s job approval has dropped to 43/50 in a state he easily won in two presidential elections — and it’s much worse outside of Minneapolis and St. Paul (via Instapundit):

Men had an especially unfavorable opinion of the president. According to the poll, 60 percent of Minnesotan men disapproved of his job performance, compared to 40 percent of women in the state.

People under 34 had the highest approval rating for Obama, with 59 percent saying they thought he was doing a good job in office.

The statewide poll reflects a broader disapproval of the president that has been swelling across the country. Current national polls show Obama’s approval rating is among the lowest it has been while he has been in the White House.

The key in Minnesota, though, is the difference between the core cities, the first-ring suburbs, and everywhere else. In the core cities, Obama has a solid but not spectacular 61/29 approval rating, but that drops to 41/50 in the rest of the Twin Cities suburbs. In the rest of the state — where a little more than half of all Minnesota residents live — it’s 30/66.

One might think that such a bad showing for a previously-popular President would worry certain incumbents in Congress. Collin Peterson is reportedly considering retirement rather than run for his House seat in his Republican-leaning district, and this poll might be the last straw for the longterm incumbent. One member who apparently has little to worry about, though, is Senator Al Franken. In the same poll, Franken’s numbers look unassailable, at least so far:

More than half of Minnesotans say first-term Democratic U.S. Sen. Al Franken is doing a good job, according to a new Star Tribune Minnesota Poll.

The 55 percent approval rating for the satirist-turned-senator matches a high-water mark reached last June, but the latest results also show a growing dissatisfaction with his job performance.

Franken’s job disapproval rating has climbed to 34 percent, up from 29 percent last June.

Franken also is buoyed by his ratings in the core cities, but does better than Obama in the suburbs:

Franken’s job approval numbers are highest in the Democratic strongholds of Hennepin and Ramsey counties, where 68 percent approve of the work he has done in Congress. …

In the metro suburbs, Franken’s approval stands at 58 percent. Outstate, however, his approval rating dips sharply to 42 percent.

Even that outstate figure might be enough to win re-election if the race turns into a three-way contest, as it has been in the last few cycles. If Republicans in Minnesota had a strong foothold and a caucus system to produce a high-powered candidate, they still could compete with Franken. At the moment, though, the GOP is just getting itself off the floor from a fiscal collapse and organizational crisis, and the Senate contest is fractured for now. The caucus and/or primary (we have both) won’t produce a clear winner until the early summer at the soonest, and possibly August. Unless Franken commits the kind of political self-immolation he’s thus far avoided, the race will probably be his to lose.


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Must be really, really, really cold up there. Normally I might say, “What the heII is wrong with you people up there”? So………What the heII is wrong with you people up there?

Bmore on February 17, 2014 at 8:43 AM

If they “easily elected” him twice I’m happy they’re miserable.

Marcus on February 17, 2014 at 8:47 AM

But Gov. Dayton is 58% approval?….somebody is lying.

Buck_Nekkid on February 17, 2014 at 8:48 AM

As a native Minnesotan, I can assure you Hillary/Elizabeth Warren/Joe Biden/Fill-in-the-blank-with-random-leftist will win Minnesota in 2016.

I love the fishing and hunting in my home state, but I have long since given up on Minnesota ever waking up politically. The naive Scandinavian faith in government as the solution to any problem just runs too deeply there.

I suspect a lot of the disapproval of Soetoro in that latest Red Star poll is coming from the left. Those are progressives disapproving of Obama for not pushing Single Payer, not standing up to Republicans, not raising taxes and spending enough, etc., etc.

MidniteRambler on February 17, 2014 at 8:49 AM

The Minnesota GOP is the very definition of dysfunctional. Doesn’t help that the people that make it through the convention have no shot in the general election.

The Obama numbers are promising though.

gophergirl on February 17, 2014 at 8:50 AM

In the core cities, Obama has a solid but not spectacular 61/29 approval rating, but that drops to 41/50 in the rest of the Twin Cities suburbs. In the rest of the state — where a little more than half of all Minnesota residents live — it’s 30/66.

Which is why I stay out of the big cities, imagine any urban area in any state and you already know why.

Put it this way: Still to this day, 11 years after Dubya ordered the Mossad to shoot down his plane, you will see yard signs and bumper stickers with “Wellstone!” printed on them. Brand new, they’re still being manufactured, still being proudly displayed, and the man has been in the ground for a decade.

On the bright side we’re not Wisconsin, the place where syphilis and bird flu originated.

Bishop on February 17, 2014 at 8:50 AM

Franken’s race to lose?? Did he legitimately win the last one?
He can “win” the same way again.

vityas on February 17, 2014 at 8:51 AM

Folks under 34 are clueless

cmsinaz on February 17, 2014 at 8:51 AM

Minnesota, Land of 10,000 Lakes & 5,000,000 Flakes.

M240H on February 17, 2014 at 8:54 AM

The r’s just need to tie franken to the disastrous US olympic curling team’s results and he’s gone. I mean shouldn’t he have done something to help them out? At least schmuck choomer was out there making sure our athletes had yogurt to keep them regular.

Lost in Jersey on February 17, 2014 at 8:55 AM

Bishop on February 17, 2014 at 8:50 AM

At least WI has The Pack.

Bmore on February 17, 2014 at 8:56 AM

Actually we have over 20,000 lakes, but the number of flakes is pretty dead-on. Here in the Resistance behind the Walleye Curtain we’re preparing, filling sandbags and listening to clandestine HAM radio broadcasts.

For all my brothers out there: “John has a long mustache. The iguana barks at midnight. The chair is in the corner.”

Bishop on February 17, 2014 at 8:57 AM

He’s smiling because he knows there will always be enough “found” ballot boxes in the trunks of Democrat cars to elect him to the Senate until he’s as senile as McCain.

ConstantineXI on February 17, 2014 at 8:58 AM

On the bright side we’re not Wisconsin, the place where syphilis and bird flu originated.

Bishop on February 17, 2014 at 8:50 AM

Main ingredients in their cheese?

HonestLib on February 17, 2014 at 8:58 AM

Must be really, really, really cold up there. Normally I might say, “What the heII is wrong with you people up there”? So………What the heII is wrong with you people up there?

Your average DFL voter in Minnesota does not act or come across like a hard-lefter from Brooklyn or San Francisco, because the roots of their progressivism are not quite the same.

Minnesota inherited the Scandinavian faith in big government as the solution to any and all of life’s problems. That makes the average Dayton-Franken voter there nicer and more polite than their Berkeley counterpart, but no less of a faithful Democrat. It’s leftism with a smile.

Most of my family came from Norway and settled in Minnesota, but somehow we avoided/escaped the progressive mindset. Unfortunately way too many of our counterparts did not.

MidniteRambler on February 17, 2014 at 8:59 AM

Ron Paul said he was amazed that Liberty and Freedom were such a hard sell. Totalitarianism/Authoritarianism is alive and well in America. Other than a small few politicians even talk about individual liberty. Fundamental Transformation!

Jackson on February 17, 2014 at 8:59 AM

IMPEACH

TX-96 on February 17, 2014 at 9:00 AM

I guess I need to lay off the herring start eating dog because this is one Scandinavian who wouldn’t vote ‘rat on a dare.

Lanceman on February 17, 2014 at 9:01 AM

Put it this way: Still to this day, 11 years after Dubya ordered the Mossad to shoot down his plane, you will see yard signs and bumper stickers with “Wellstone!” printed on them. Brand new, they’re still being manufactured, still being proudly displayed, and the man has been in the ground for a decade.

Bishop on February 17, 2014 at 8:50 AM

There was a house off of the parkway that had an enternal flame going for him.

I about drove off the road from laughing so hard.

gophergirl on February 17, 2014 at 9:04 AM

There was a house off of the parkway that had an enternal flame going for him.

I about drove off the road from laughing so hard.

gophergirl on February 17, 2014 at 9:04 AM

Was it a bic lighter with the fuel button taped down?

Bishop on February 17, 2014 at 9:06 AM

Was it a bic lighter with the fuel button taped down?

Bishop on February 17, 2014 at 9:06 AM

I think it was a can of sterno actually.

gophergirl on February 17, 2014 at 9:07 AM

OT…Breitbart opening two new news bureaus in London & Texas…

http://www.breitbart.com/breitbart-texas

Cool!

workingclass artist on February 17, 2014 at 9:07 AM

Rush’s nickname for Paul Wellstone was “Senator Welfare”.

ConstantineXI on February 17, 2014 at 9:08 AM

Let’s go to our man Ed, there on the ground…

ToddPA on February 17, 2014 at 9:14 AM

Sad to see that Franken is doing well given the fact that he was fraudulently declared the winner of his previous election. What’s wrong with those people up there?

Armyspouse on February 17, 2014 at 9:18 AM

Despite the liberal bent of Minnesotans, there’s also a strong streak of Protestant work ethic among those of Northern European heritage. The GOP should emphasize that the best way to empower people is not welfare, but economic freedom, and that the democrats are anti-employment, and promoting laziness.

Basically, the appeal should be to the Garrison Keillor sensibility of the fictional Lake Woebegone’s congregation at “Our Lady of Perpetual Responsibility.”

RockinRickOwen on February 17, 2014 at 9:28 AM

Sad to see that Franken is doing well given the fact that he was fraudulently declared the winner of his previous election. What’s wrong with those people up there?

Armyspouse on February 17, 2014 at 9:18 AM

Al won by 312 votes and if I remember correctly there were 974 felons that voted in his election. Stats and common sense dictate that if those felons had not voted (which I will agree that they should not have), then he would not have won. In general every vote cast is a legal vote when counted and certified.

Have not read anywhere that Al was involved in the voting of said felons.

HonestLib on February 17, 2014 at 9:31 AM

Put it this way: Still to this day, 11 years after Dubya ordered the Mossad to shoot down his plane, you will see yard signs and bumper stickers with “Wellstone!” printed on them. Brand new, they’re still being manufactured, still being proudly displayed, and the man has been in the ground for a decade.

Bishop on February 17, 2014 at 8:50 AM

My aunt only recently confessed that it was her that caused his death! She attended one of his rallies to pray for the misguided souls there but when Wellstone passed her in the hallway she couldn’t resist doing the “my eyes on you” sign to him. She has always felt guilty that her hex caused his plane crash-which happened within a few days of her encounter with him.

Yes, she’s on the right side politically but a little nuts…

2L8 on February 17, 2014 at 9:36 AM

Have not read anywhere that Al was involved in the voting of said felons.

HonestLib on February 17, 2014 at 9:31 AM

Perhaps you forgot that election. For weeks bags of ballots kept being ‘found’ in car trunks, storage rooms, etc.

It wasn’t the felon vote that put him over the top. It was the fraud vote. Probably on the order of tens of thousands. Minnesotans may be stupid, but by and large I cannot picture them putting an unfunny comedian with a history of violent anger in the U.S. Senate.

Lanceman on February 17, 2014 at 9:39 AM

Even the dumb Swedes in MN are waking up to this nightmare of an administration!!

Deano1952 on February 17, 2014 at 9:41 AM

Stuart Smalley’s going to win re-election? What’s wrong with you people???

conservative hispanic on February 17, 2014 at 9:43 AM

Other than a few spotty appearances, Franken has pretty much gone into the Senate Witness Protection Program the last couple of years, which is extremely surprising for someone who won his seat based on his celebrity and his angry-at-the-right personality.

It’s also likely why his polling’s so good right now — Minnesotans’ default position is liberal Democrat, but even they can be irked by someone on TV and in print too much telling them things which are obviously not true. The less they see or hear of Al Franken, the better it is career-wise for Al Franken come November.

jon1979 on February 17, 2014 at 9:57 AM

Perhaps you forgot that election. For weeks bags of ballots kept being ‘found’ in car trunks, storage rooms, etc.

It wasn’t the felon vote that put him over the top. It was the fraud vote. Probably on the order of tens of thousands. Minnesotans may be stupid, but by and large I cannot picture them putting an unfunny comedian with a history of violent anger in the U.S. Senate.

Lanceman on February 17, 2014 at 9:39 AM

Maybe I misread the conservative articles on that subject, but I thought the ballots in trunk was debunked. Now to the other fraud I will do more research (no not Wiki or Snopes). If I am wrong I will let you guys know. Not bing a wise-guy as I would like to know if I am wrong.

HonestLib on February 17, 2014 at 10:02 AM

Why is this man smiling?

Binders full of ballots?

steebo77 on February 17, 2014 at 10:14 AM

Stuart Smalley’s going to win re-election? What’s wrong with you people???

conservative hispanic on February 17, 2014 at 9:43 AM

Sen. Al and Sen. Amy employ a pretty workable strategy here in the People’s Republic. They keep their head down on ANYTHING like an IRS scandal, Bengahzi….and pop it up when something like a propane shortage or any other tearjerker makes the local news. Heroin? Sen. Amy at the news conference. Propane? Sen. Al is on it.

The vast majority of MN residents lack any form of critical thinking and it plays out every year at the ballot box.

Buck_Nekkid says:

I blame the schools.

Buck_Nekkid on February 17, 2014 at 10:15 AM

Maybe I misread the conservative articles on that subject, but I thought the ballots in trunk was debunked. Now to the other fraud I will do more research (no not Wiki or Snopes). If I am wrong I will let you guys know. Not bing a wise-guy as I would like to know if I am wrong.

HonestLib on February 17, 2014 at 10:02 AM

No, it was not debunked. All one had to do was listen to the radio daily. It was always some ballots turned up and oops, Coleman’s lead shrank again. Oops. Shrank again. Oops. Shrank once more.

Harry Reid said publicly that he would not swear in Coleman regardless of the outcome.http://www.politico.com/blogs/scorecard/0109/Reid_Coleman_will_never_ever_serve.html

Lanceman on February 17, 2014 at 10:24 AM

Hey Ed, Just moved back to Roseville after a 30 year hiatus…. I was hoping that the political climate here might have changed a bit from the days of ‘Jesse’, but it doesn’t look good still!

oh well, now there’s one more reasonable voter here!

Markvike on February 17, 2014 at 10:46 AM

The recount that turned Al Franken into a U.S. Senator may have been decided by convicted felons who voted illegally in Minnesota’s Twin Cities it was announced in July, 2010. In a study conducted by Minnesota Majority, a conservative watchdog group, found that at least 341 convicted felons in largely Democratic Minneapolis-St. Paul voted illegally in the 2008 Senate race. The final recount vote in the race, determined six months after Election Day, showed Franken beat Coleman by 312 votes — fewer votes than the number of felons whose illegal ballots were counted, according to the newly released study, which matched publicly available conviction lists with voting records. The group took the voting lists and matched them with conviction lists and then went to the voting roster lists, where voters sign in before going to the voting booth, and matched them by hand.

lel2007 on February 17, 2014 at 10:47 AM

No, it was not debunked. All one had to do was listen to the radio daily. It was always some ballots turned up and oops, Coleman’s lead shrank again. Oops. Shrank again. Oops. Shrank once more.

Harry Reid said publicly that he would not swear in Coleman regardless of the outcome.http://www.politico.com/blogs/scorecard/0109/Reid_Coleman_will_never_ever_serve.html

Lanceman on February 17, 2014 at 10:24 AM

First my memory was wrong as it was 1,099 felons who voted and not 974 as I stated. Should have done a little quick research instead of relyin on my fleeting memory.

Second, the article I read was from Forbes and here is a cut and paste of part of the article…..

“During the controversy a conservative group called Minnesota Majority began to look into claims of voter fraud. Comparing criminal records with voting rolls, the group identified 1,099 felons — all ineligible to vote — who had voted in the Franken-Coleman race.

Minnesota Majority took the information to prosecutors across the state, many of whom showed no interest in pursuing it. But Minnesota law requires authorities to investigate such leads. And so far, Fund and von Spakovsky report, 177 people have been convicted — not just accused, but convicted — of voting fraudulently in the Senate race. Another 66 are awaiting trial. “The numbers aren’t greater,” the authors say, “because the standard for convicting someone of voter fraud in Minnesota is that they must have been both ineligible, and ‘knowingly’ voted unlawfully.” The accused can get off by claiming not to have known they did anything wrong.

Still, that’s a total of 243 people either convicted of voter fraud or awaiting trial in an election that was decided by 312 votes. With 1,099 examples identified by Minnesota Majority, and with evidence suggesting that felons, when they do vote, strongly favor Democrats, it doesn’t require a leap to suggest there might one day be proof that Al Franken was elected on the strength of voter fraud.”

My take from the above is the 177 convictions and 66 pending were for felons that voted. Maybe that is what I wanted to read, but I did not think the article was talking specifically about fraud other than felons voting.

I will dig a little deeper and I have no need to prove you wrong. In fact I am trying to prove my orginal response to armywife wrong as that is my nature when I am called on facts. Thanks for taking them time to discuss this problem.

Cheers

HonestLib on February 17, 2014 at 10:51 AM

Ann Coulter said,
He stole the 2008 election in Minnesota, going from a thousand votes down the day after the election to 300 votes up a few months later, after vast numbers of Franken votes kept being discovered in heavily Democratic districts. As economist John Lott pointed out at the time, the magically appearing votes for Franken were a statistical impossibility.

lel2007 on February 17, 2014 at 10:53 AM

My Wife would love for us to move back there. I miss so many things about MN from my youth. However, I will happily put up with voting Juan McCain out and warm winters over having to deal with the DFL and Dayton ruining more of the things I grew up with there. The green ‘tards alone are enough to make my blood boil.

ATC Guy on February 17, 2014 at 10:55 AM

If the GOP is “The Party of Stupid”, the MNGOP is “The Party of Stupid On Steroids”.

They put the Gay Marriage Amendment and the Voter ID Amendment on the ballot on ’12, then proceeded to run away and hide , leaving the DFL and Progressive Left to define the election.

Result: Sven and Ole can now tie the knot in Minny and Lena’s son Thor Jr., who lives over by the U, gets to cast multiple ballots without any residency ID other than “friends” who will vouch for him in Dinkytown, on the West Bank etc.

Al and Amy and Mark are what you get when the “Not Quite the DFL” party is run by morons.

Bruno Strozek on February 17, 2014 at 11:03 AM

Minnesota voters are stupid….Look at the star studded cast of lefty losers who lead Minnesota politics….Is this the same poll that had marky dayton at 58 per cent approval. The star and tribune can only be used for puppy paper training, lining a bird cage or wrapping fish guts not for anything factual..

crosshugger on February 17, 2014 at 11:03 AM

HonestLib on February 17, 2014 at 10:51 AM

Like I said, the fraud alone was more than enough to push Franken over the top. Barely, in this case.

Strangely enough, the same pr!ck (his name escapes me) involved in the close Gregoire/Rossi recounts in Washington state years earlier had a hand in the Franken recounts. In the end, Christine Gregoire miraculously beat Dino Rossi by a few votes.

Lanceman on February 17, 2014 at 11:06 AM

So that bit about the Republicans needing to win outside the margin of fraud is definitely true. If it ain’t close, they can’t steal it, is how it usually goes.

Lanceman on February 17, 2014 at 11:08 AM

“Why is this man smiling?”

Because he knows he has three more years of vacations at the tax payers’ expense.

NoPain on February 17, 2014 at 11:16 AM

Like I said, the fraud alone was more than enough to push Franken over the top. Barely, in this case.

Strangely enough, the same pr!ck (his name escapes me) involved in the close Gregoire/Rossi recounts in Washington state years earlier had a hand in the Franken recounts. In the end, Christine Gregoire miraculously beat Dino Rossi by a few votes.

Lanceman on February 17, 2014 at 11:06 AM

After additional research the score is….
Lanceman–1
armywife–1

Dis-HonestLib–0

It is a fact that there was outright fraud in getting the felons to knowingly vote. I was wrong. Simple at that.

HonestLib on February 17, 2014 at 11:38 AM

800 total surveyed? i suspect that the iron range is severely undersampled. also, believing the Star Tribune on politics is like believing the NYT. don’t, just don’t.

jlw on February 17, 2014 at 11:51 AM

Maybe brain freeze?

Brock Robamney on February 17, 2014 at 11:54 AM

… Franken has pretty much gone into the Senate Witless Protection Program the last couple of years …
jon1979 on February 17, 2014 at 9:57 AM

FIFY

Dis-HonestLib–0

It is a fact that there was outright fraud in getting the felons to knowingly vote. I was wrong. Simple at that.

HonestLib on February 17, 2014 at 11:38 AM

Can’t call you “dishonest” — you get +1 for your honesty. Simple as that. Because that commodity can be rare in these parts.

Alien on February 17, 2014 at 11:56 AM

. The star and tribune can only be used for puppy paper training, lining a bird cage or wrapping fish guts not for anything factual..

crosshugger on February 17, 2014 at 11:03 AM

You’re lucky:

In our area, most birds reject cages lined with the Kansas City Star.

landlines on February 17, 2014 at 1:51 PM

Franken doing a fine job? How many low information voters are there in MN? Young people think Obama is doing a fine job? They must all be living at home with mom and dad because they don’t have jobs and are feeling fine with that circumstance. Wait till they have to by their own health care. Oh my what will they do.

regmgr on February 17, 2014 at 2:53 PM

There are many, many libs here. And of course most of my fellow Scandinavians love their government. If I didn’t have most of my family here, I’d move to SD (I have a few cousins there). Still might some day. Frankenstein is pretty much a shoe in, although if we can pin Minnesota’s version of the obummercare exchange on Governor Brave Sir Robin (he bravely ran away, away!), maybe we can introduce a little sanit with a new governor, though I won’t hold my breath on that. And with Tom Emmer replacing Michele Bachmann in the sixth district this year (I’m banking on him running away with the election), maaaaaybe we can have a solid, respectable MN Republican* do help prod the state GOP in the right direction. Lord knows they need it.

*not that I don’t love Bachmann, but hearing her name often causes people to dismiss her out of hand as a serologic person, when in fact she is quite a thoughtful and smart lady.

Othniel on February 17, 2014 at 3:35 PM