Huh: Another poll shows border security declining as a priority for Americans on immigration

posted at 5:51 pm on February 17, 2014 by Allahpundit

Remember this table from CNN? It was published less than two weeks ago.

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It’s unusual to see opinion pivot as sharply as it does here from late 2011 to 2012 without some obvious explanation. The numbers brought me up short the first time I saw them but I figured they might be an outlier. Not so: Gallup’s new numbers show a similar pivot. In 2011, 53 percent said border security was “extremely important” versus 43 percent who said it was extremely important to deal with illegals who are already here. Today, the latter number is almost the same as it was then (44 percent) but the number who rate security as “extremely important” has fallen all the way to 43 percent. That’s a 10-point loss in less than three years. What gives?

Don’t blame Democrats, either:

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The biggest decline has come among good ‘ol Republicans. Meanwhile, here’s what happens when you ask people to choose between border security and dealing with illegals as the government’s top priority. Again we find the big pivot in 2011-12:

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The silver lining of the big Schumer/Rubio/Boehner/Ryan amnesty push over the past year is that it’s helped restore some focus on border security — but only a bit, not enough to make it a higher priority than the other component of comprehensive immigration reform.

Taking it all together, I can’t make heads or tails of the data. I’m tempted to say that the disinterest in border security stems from the fact that illegal immigration began to decrease of its own accord as the recession set in and jobs in America withered away. If that were so, though, wouldn’t the big pivot in opinion have come earlier? Surely the fact that more illegals were staying home had penetrated the public consciousness before 2012, i.e. year four of the recession. And even if it didn’t, one of the perennial strongest arguments against amnesty is that a glut of illegal labor will make a rough job market even rougher. I thought support for stronger borders would surge during tough times economically; instead, we see only a small blip in the graph above and then a big nosedive in 2012.

The other temptation is to conclude that the 2012 campaign swung public opinion. But … how did it do that? It was a minor issue for most of the public; even after Obama issued his order to DHS creating an executive amnesty for DREAMers, I would have guessed that public support for that would show up in rising support for “dealing with illegals who are already here,” not in declining support for border security. And I certainly wouldn’t have expected a big border-security decline to show up among Republicans, per the first graph above, even more so than Democrats. I thought after the CNN poll that maybe Obama’s DREAM order had the effect of hardening partisan opinion, so that even centrist Democrats who mildly supported more border security in the past suddenly felt impelled to change their minds and back O in the interest of holding the White House. But again, what explains the GOP numbers then? And why would Dems sympathetic to DREAM change their minds about the border rather than about the legalization component?

My only theory to explain the shift among Republicans is that some chunk of GOP voters are experiencing the same panic as the leadership, i.e. if we don’t pander on this issue and fast, we’ll lose Latino voters forever. But that doesn’t explain why there’d be a modest but similar decline among independents. And again, it doesn’t explain why opinion is changing about border security but not “dealing with illegals who already here.” If you want to pander, that’s how you pander — full legalization, path to citizenship, yadda yadda. Americans haven’t changed much on that, though. It’s the border aspect of reform where things have changed. Mystifying.

Exit question: Could Americans be more relaxed about the border now because of the news stories last year claiming that drug-cartel violence in Mexico had started to decline? (Whether the decline is real or hype is debatable.) In that case, how do news stories from 2013 explain a change of opinion that apparently happened in 2012?


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BUllshit.

katy the mean old lady on February 17, 2014 at 5:52 PM

Progressives have so many levers in society, it’s no surprise that people eventually find themselves parroting their views. Conservatives swim in a sea of progressive thought everywhere: The news media, television entertainment, film, the academy, etc., etc.

The astonishing thing isn’t that progressive ideas find root, it’s that anyone remains conservative swimming in a sea of antagonism and outright hostility toward conservative thought. That’s an actual victory, frankly, that any of us are out here!

Oh, and secure the freaking border, please! Ktxbye!

xNavigator on February 17, 2014 at 5:54 PM

If the electorate’s really this dumb, we’re screwed.

MMK on February 17, 2014 at 5:54 PM

The biggest decline has come among good ‘ol Republicans. Meanwhile, here’s what happens when you ask people to choose between border security and dealing with illegals as the government’s top priority. Again we find the big pivot in 2011-12:

I think the Left’s media push insisting on “Dreamers” as cute adoptable pets has had an emotional impact on people, and not a reasonable impact: it’s created this concept in general in media of “deserving people” in need of being adopted, supported, indulged, but not really as in reality as to who they are, what they’re engaged in.

Lourdes on February 17, 2014 at 5:55 PM

I stopped paying attention to political polls a long time ago. They are too easy to manipulate and the groups and media who often commission them have their own agenda and want their moneys worth.

sharrukin on February 17, 2014 at 5:56 PM

Huh: Another poll LSM shows border security declining as a priority for Americans LSM on immigration

FIFY, AP …

ShainS on February 17, 2014 at 5:57 PM

The USA is in desperate need of media renovation.

It’s become a case of Leftmedia informing the public and the public believing themselves to be informed. Tell them anything, report anything in whatever frame is politically expedient to the Left, refuse to report information that is revealing about an issue that the public would rightfully be alarmed by, etc.: it’s the media continuing to misinform and mislead the public.

And the public’s limited effort to investigate issues farther than NBC/CNN/etc. will blare.

Lourdes on February 17, 2014 at 5:58 PM

Exit question: Could Americans be more relaxed about the border now because of the news stories last year claiming that drug-cartel violence in Mexico had started to decline? (Whether the decline is real or hype is debatable.) In that case, how do news stories from 2013 explain a change of opinion that apparently happened in 2012?
=================================

Maybes:

Mutilated bodies wrapped in plastic found in Mexico City suburbs as country’s brutal drug war is laid bare in vivid reminder

WARNING GRAPHIC CONTENT: Two bodies dumped on streets of Nezahualcoyotl, a suburb of Mexico City
Bodies, wrapped in plastic and bound with tape, discovered on Sunday
Follows a series of similar discoveries across the city and nearby states
Many cities gripped by violent drugs cartels and vigilante groups

By Daily Mail Reporter

PUBLISHED: 11:41 GMT, 17 February 2014 | UPDATED: 12:23 GMT, 17 February 2014
******

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2561164/Headless-bodies-wrapped-plastic-Mexico-City-suburbs-countrys-brutal-drug-war-laid-bare-vivid-reminder.html

canopfor on February 17, 2014 at 5:58 PM

Bet half the people could not even understand the question.

albill on February 17, 2014 at 5:59 PM

A guy named “Dan Stein” had (perhaps, still does, though I haven’t lately checked) a very responsible website reporting actual border and enforcement (and violation) conditions as to illegal immigration, crime by illegal aliens, etc.

It was plagued, as can be expected, with Leftwing hoardes both hating the USA laws/enforcement/anyone who supported any of that and demanding open borders for “workers” from, mostly, always, India, China, Mexico.

So there are groups of people, activists, from all over the world who use website polls to alter THE APPEARANCE OF US public opinion.

Lourdes on February 17, 2014 at 6:01 PM

If the electorate’s really this dumb, we’re screwed.

MMK on February 17, 2014 at 5:54 PM

I think the former is a given after the past two presidential elections, therefore I’d say the latter is already in effect.

xNavigator on February 17, 2014 at 6:01 PM

Good ‘ole home cookin’ on those polls.

BKeyser on February 17, 2014 at 6:02 PM

Well Orwell, duh, if you keep calling it “immigration” rather than invasion.

VorDaj on February 17, 2014 at 6:02 PM

If the media would regularly report what is going on at the borders then people would be more educated.

How about a ticker on CNN that gave the daily flow of illegals into the US?

albill on February 17, 2014 at 6:02 PM

The question is ‘loaded’. Deportation does not necessarily need to be joined to border security *AND* alternatively focusing on illegals that have jobs…talk about leading the respondent’s answers.

socalcon on February 17, 2014 at 6:04 PM

Exit question: Could Americans be more relaxed about the border now because of the news stories last year claiming that drug-cartel violence in Mexico had started to decline? (Whether the decline is real or hype is debatable.) In that case, how do news stories from 2013 explain a change of opinion that apparently happened in 2012?

Media IS NOT REPORTING the actual experiences from the border by Border Agents, and ICE in interior. Employees of these enforcement agencies are not being included in “news” reports about conditions and overall violence, problems, issues.

Obama, to include this, actually invites Illegal Aliens to his speeches (or has) and to the White House for functions but he has refused to respond to even letters from federal employees in ICE and Border. Won’t even talk to them.

That seems to illustrate well what he and Admin are up to. They don’t want border security, immigration enforcement, the Constitution respected or applied. Obama’s made that really clear that he’s got other ideas he wants implemented.

Lourdes on February 17, 2014 at 6:06 PM

I stopped paying attention to political polls a long time ago. They are too easy to manipulate and the groups and media who often commission them have their own agenda and want their moneys worth.

sharrukin on February 17, 2014 at 5:56 PM

.
This works as a general answer to your question, AP.

What happeneded in 2012? Was your Jounrolist membership revoked?

The MSM narrative in 2012 morphed into “We URGENTLY need to address immigration reform!” with ALL the social pathos they could bring to bear.

And the ‘consensus’ led thinkers go “Baaaaa” and move where they are told.

Is there a “Memento” disease which afflict the GOPe-media?

“We can’t remember anything of an overarching nature that has occurred more than 15 minutes ago>”

PolAgnostic on February 17, 2014 at 6:07 PM

I’m tempted to say that the disinterest in border security stems from the fact that illegal immigration began to decrease of its own accord as the recession set in and jobs in America withered away.

That about sums it up in a nutshell. If no one’s coming over the border, no one’s going to be worried about it.

As for me, if no one’s coming over the border then I want to focus on deporting those already here illegally.

Stoic Patriot on February 17, 2014 at 6:07 PM

Obama Invites Illegal Immigrants to His Big Speech, Still Refuses to Meet With ICE Agents
Katie Pavlich | Jan 29, 2014

Lourdes on February 17, 2014 at 6:08 PM

come live in Arizona for a little while….

northern GOP who have no clue what is going on at the border that is who they are polling….

cmsinaz on February 17, 2014 at 6:08 PM

ShainS on February 17, 2014 at 5:57 PM

+1

Lourdes on February 17, 2014 at 6:06 PM

+1

cmsinaz on February 17, 2014 at 6:10 PM

Polls schmolls… they’re generally a tool of the left and for every well-asked in-biased poll there’s three that are a rock solid foregone conclusioned joke.

MT on February 17, 2014 at 6:14 PM

Push! Insert, *sound of bullwhip*

Bmore on February 17, 2014 at 6:17 PM

In that case, how do news stories from 2013 explain a change of opinion that apparently happened in 2012?

They don’t explain anything, its east coast media hype. Get out sometime Allah.

DanMan on February 17, 2014 at 6:18 PM

Progressives have so many levers in society, it’s no surprise that people eventually find themselves parroting their views. Conservatives swim in a sea of progressive thought everywhere: The news media, television entertainment, film, the academy, etc., etc.

The astonishing thing isn’t that progressive ideas find root, it’s that anyone remains conservative swimming in a sea of antagonism and outright hostility toward conservative thought. That’s an actual victory, frankly, that any of us are out here!

xNavigator on February 17, 2014 at 5:54 PM

This.

Alana on February 17, 2014 at 6:21 PM

You can bet that border security first number would sky rocket if it could be proven that the perpetrators of a huge terrorist attack came here via Mexico.

ladyingray on February 17, 2014 at 6:22 PM

I think the GOP-elite-led ‘We’re doomed without the Hispanic vote’ campaign has everything to do with the change in the polls on this issue.

Look, it’s just a simple fact that for the time being, Hispanic voters are going to trend strongly DemocRAT. No amount of GOP-squish pandering is going to change that.

If the GOP wants to do something with a better chance of changing this dynamic, they should start ‘scaring the white folks’, as Dear Leader says. As I’ve said before, if majority voters were even close to as monolithic as minority voters, it wouldn’t matter if twice as many illegal aliens got a free pass as is now being contemplated.

Knott Buyinit on February 17, 2014 at 6:24 PM

This is normal with weak minded people who make up a majority of the population. If an issue is harped on enough in the media and you are constantly told what you should believe or you are racist/bigot/homophobe, most people will start to follow along. The issue isn’t that people are so much changing their position it is more of the fact that people are weak and very easily influenced. This is basically how 99.9% of Democrats are. They have zero opinions themselves, they just parrot what the media tells them. The jedi mind trick is easy on the American people. The easiest are liberals. Obama is exhibit A in the ease of which the jedi mind trick can be used.

The Notorious G.O.P on February 17, 2014 at 6:25 PM

If no one’s coming over the border, no one’s going to be worried about it.

As for me, if no one’s coming over the border then I want to focus on deporting those already here illegally.

Stoic Patriot on February 17, 2014 at 6:07 PM

The poll could be an accurate snapshot of the populace at this time. I agree that we need to focus on deportation if the border crossings have slowed.

shubalstearns on February 17, 2014 at 6:30 PM

In WW1, dough boys and devil dogs were dropping the Huns out to 1000 yards with their 1903 Springfields chambered in 30/06.

dmann on February 17, 2014 at 6:30 PM

Relentless propaganda, the fear of being considered racist.

blue13326 on February 17, 2014 at 6:33 PM

Hey, we’re 12 years out from 9/11 and everything is A-OK. Only paranoid patriots would care about having secure borders.

Jackson on February 17, 2014 at 6:38 PM

Come on down here. I’ll drop you off in Peck Canyon with a canteen, unarmed. You’ll get to see the bullethole riddled Federal warning signs on the ride there. The water jugs, garbage. You might even see a “rapetree”.

You can hike you way to one of our NATIONAL FORESTS, like Organpipe NATIONAL MONUMENT. Surely that’s a safe place, huh?

wolly4321 on February 17, 2014 at 6:39 PM

The question is ‘loaded’. Deportation does not necessarily need to be joined to border security *AND* alternatively focusing on illegals that have jobs…talk about leading the respondent’s answers.

socalcon on February 17, 2014 at 6:04 PM

Plus:

Bet half the people could not even understand the question.

albill on February 17, 2014 at 5:59 PM

Equals the bottom line.

tru2tx on February 17, 2014 at 6:39 PM

Relentless propaganda, the fear of being considered racist.

blue13326 on February 17, 2014 at 6:33 PM

You’re probably right and it reminds me of my reaction to a poll of NFL players about have gays play on their team. Most claim they are fine with it. We all know that if you don’t tow the line on gay rights you put yourself in harms way.

CWchangedhisNicagain on February 17, 2014 at 6:41 PM

There are three things to keep in mind when it comes to polls:

1.The quality of the sample.Is it representative of the population?
2.The quality of the questions. Are the questions asked objective?
3.The organization doing or funding the survey?

This poll has a nice sample size of over 1000. The questions were asked in an objective manner. Gallup is not liberal biased or controlled organization. It may be an accurate snapshot of the populace on this issue at this time. If that’s the case I’m not surprised. We’ve seen movement on a number of issues the last 5 years. Nothing about the American populace shocks me anymore!

shubalstearns on February 17, 2014 at 6:45 PM

“Dealing with illegal immigrants in U.S.” could mean deportation or granting residency or citizenship.

dforston on February 17, 2014 at 6:45 PM

Sometimes I curse the fact I was raised to think for myself. It must be the promised utopia for progressives/uber liberals now. If ignorance is bliss, then utopia for the masses is at hand. All praise Little Boots Obama!

Oh well, I’m sure Mexico in return will dissolve their immigration policies and allow me to buy some of that property in Cancun or Cozmel right?/s

NiteOwl on February 17, 2014 at 6:45 PM

All this proves is that “Idiocracy” is transforming more and more every day into a documentary.

NavyMustang on February 17, 2014 at 6:49 PM

When you cede the narrative, you have lost the battle to propaganda:

Undocumented immigrant = illegal alien

Insurgent = terrorist

Women’s Health = abortion

Lying = inaccurate, but true

Progressive = regressive

Educated = brain washed

When you can’t win the war of ideas, just change the vocabulary. So easy a progressive/lib can do it!

NiteOwl on February 17, 2014 at 6:59 PM

Ah-huh…sure. What does the NSA have on Gallup to make them put these numbers out?

SouthernGent on February 17, 2014 at 7:00 PM

No surprises here, the media and the current administration appear to be doing exactly what they want. As far as an upstream comment about is the electorate really this dumb, the answer would be YES.

DDay on February 17, 2014 at 7:03 PM

It seems that when you think we couldn’t lose more of the country, a poll like this comes out and makes your head jerk up so fast you sprain your neck and after thinking about it for a few long minutes, I just threw my hands up in the air and told my wife that I am tired of dying a death of a thousand cuts.

So I have come to the conclusion that if the Dems are going to win this no border control bull crap by totally ignoring the problem then the Republicans should put the problem right on the Dems front porch.

Therefore, I submit that if the Republicans, through some miracle, can get control of the whole shooting match in 2016, we should pass a mass immigration bill that says to the world — come one, come all if you can get here and we will allow ALL OF YOU into our country with open arms and issue you a special identity card. However, there is just one catch — your card will only give you clearance to live in the following states: California, Oregon, Washington, Illinois, New York, New Jersey, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Delaware and Connecticut. You and your dependents will be required to carry a GPS device at all times and you will not be able to move to a state not on the list for 25 years *NO EXCEPTIONS* and you will not be eligible for any federal assistance. But you will be eligible for any state assistance from that state’s residents as long as no federal funds are involved.

I know this sounds crazy, but the drip, drip, drip of our current loss of our country is becoming a sort of Chinese water torture.

I look forward to catching all the flack that will come this way.

devolvingtowardsidiocracy on February 17, 2014 at 7:07 PM

1. Push poll.

Gallup might (MIGHT!) lean infinitesimally to the right, but they have been cowed by the administration in recent past and I suspect are more GOPe than Tea Party, anyway.

2. Meaningless.

“Developing a plan to deal with the immigrants who are currently in the U.S. illegally” is about as descriptive as the classic “Country is on the Wrong Track.” People from polar opposite positions can both in clear conscience say these things. One person may mean that we should grant amnesty immediately! Another may mean we need to develop a plan to deport all illegal aliens.

3. I’m probably delusional.

But, I love this country as it was founded. Giving that up and saying, “Let it burn” is a terribly difficult thing for me to do. So there.

yaedon on February 17, 2014 at 7:20 PM

I think the Left’s media push insisting on “Dreamers” as cute adoptable pets has had an emotional impact on people, and not a reasonable impact: it’s created this concept in general in media of “deserving people” in need of being adopted, supported, indulged, but not really as in reality as to who they are, what they’re engaged in.

Lourdes on February 17, 2014 at 5:55 PM

Yes! Great comment. They have romanticized those here illegally by calling them “Dreamers” Kind of taking the concept of the “American Dream” and twisting it.

PeskyPuddyTat on February 17, 2014 at 7:22 PM

The reason for the switch is obvious. A combination of the 2012 primary dissipating and EVERY establishment Republican and their grandmother getting on TV to push the amnesty agenda. This will of course have an impact in polling.

The actual issues haven’t changed. Only TV propaganda from establishment Republicans pushing soft-puddly moderate Republicans to the left is what has changed.

However the base hasn’t budged off the border issue and we have immense power.

KMav on February 17, 2014 at 7:23 PM

AP, we know you love polls that show this kind of thing, but why are you never ‘dubious’ about the polls you like? You spent a *lot* of energy trying to explain what you’re seeing here, with really nothing to point to, other than…

You like the poll, and seem willing to simply believe it despite being able to point to any substantial reason for the movement in your preferred direction.

If this had moved the other direction, and was similarly inexplicable, I suspect you would – as you have before – suggest that the poll was ‘dubious’ in terms of credibility.

I’d say the same thing if it were moving the other direction, but if it were, we’d have things we could actually point to to explain it – increased visibility of the issue, anger at politicians that are pandering to criminals, endless news stories of illegals who are responsible for economic destruction as well as individual stories of crime, murder, rape and DWI deaths at the hands of illegals, etc.

All of which would support the *opposite* of this poll.

Midas on February 17, 2014 at 7:26 PM

devolvingtowardsidiocracy on February 17, 2014 at 7:07 PM

Any “compromise” like that will end up in concession or complete surrender with the “horror” stories of their human rights being violated.

Plus, as long as we are “One Country…” the Feds will bail out the states. The decline seems inevitable… :-(

Of course, I still hope against all odds we will get a REAL leader. My children and grandchildren could sure use one.

NiteOwl on February 17, 2014 at 7:29 PM

I look forward to catching all the flack that will come this way.

devolvingtowardsidiocracy on February 17, 2014 at 7:07 PM

No flack from me, I kinda like it. :)

Midas on February 17, 2014 at 7:31 PM

Fundamental Transformation. Ain’t it grand.

Jackson on February 17, 2014 at 7:32 PM

Taking it all together, I can’t make heads or tails of the data.

People realize their opinion no longer matters. Congress LIED to the public in 1986 and continues to do so today. We have a President who re-writes immigration law as he sees fit. At least Congress realizes if they pass ‘a law’, King Barack will ignore it.

GarandFan on February 17, 2014 at 7:32 PM

Goebbels would cream his pants if he owned the MSM like the libs do today..

celt on February 17, 2014 at 7:48 PM

If they went around and polled the same people, they’d likely agree that DC should be moved South.
To Mexico City.

TimBuk3 on February 17, 2014 at 7:56 PM

No surprise . . . the mindless masses have their heads so far up their own backsides that they are totally oblivious to the real world around them. Get ready for a steep decline and the ultimate crash of this once great Republic.

rplat on February 17, 2014 at 7:58 PM

what katy (the mean one) said.

Would a nation that doesn’t care about its borders cheer for its Olympic athletes to win?

wolfsDad on February 17, 2014 at 8:03 PM

I’ll bet I can guess who they asked.

crankyoldlady on February 17, 2014 at 8:12 PM

I think the Left’s media push insisting on “Dreamers” as cute adoptable pets has had an emotional impact on people, and not a reasonable impact: it’s created this concept in general in media of “deserving people” in need of being adopted, supported, indulged, but not really as in reality as to who they are, what they’re engaged in.
Lourdes on February 17, 2014 at 5:55 PM

Very well said.

bluegill on February 17, 2014 at 8:12 PM

The Gallup writeup doesn’t exactly match up to the poll itself. What the chart calls “Securing U.S. border” is a different albeit related option. The other option is “developing a plan to deal with immigrants who are currently in the U.S illegally”. That contains a lie: generally speaking, you can’t be both an immigrant and here illegally. It’s also very ambiguous: someone choosing that option could support lots of things besides legalizing millions. In their writeup, Gallup refers to “status”, implying that those choosing the “plan” option want to change the status of those “immigrants”. Yet, “status” doesn’t appear in any of the poll questions.

If you want to do something about this, search Twitter for those using the poll to push their agenda, and point out how the poll can’t be trusted. Or, look up reporters (like @jdelreal) who are using the poll to push their agenda, and let them know you’re on to them.

24AheadDotCom on February 17, 2014 at 8:16 PM

This is nonsense.

Poll people who live on the border and we’ll see.

TX-96 on February 17, 2014 at 8:40 PM

I’ll bet I can guess who they asked.

crankyoldlady on February 17, 2014 at 8:12 PM

Yeah they asked people in NY. Not TX, CA, NM, NV, AZ.

TX-96 on February 17, 2014 at 8:41 PM

The US has done nothing but exploit countries around the world for thousands of years, while offering nothing in return. Our armies have invaded dozens of peaceful nations in a never quelched bloodlust for even more lands and power.

After enduring hundreds of years of slavery and oppression, these victims of American imperialism deserve a little retribution. How would you feel if a neighboring nation flooded into your country, drained your resources and attempted to change your culture?

Frank Lib on February 17, 2014 at 8:53 PM

awesome. I get daily emails from the South Texas Property Rights Association. Let’s see what’s in today’s update:

TODD YATES/CALLER-TIMES Ronnie Osburn, manager of the Tepeguaje Ranch in Brooks County, drives the ranch roads backed up by an AR-15 rifle. Osburn started carrying the weapon for protection due to groups of up to dozens of undocumented immigrants he said travel regularly through the ranch. Ranchers and civil liberties groups are awaiting a decision by the Texas Supreme Court in a case involving migrants who died in a 2007 vehicle crash on the Jones Ranch in Brooks County. The case could decide the rights of private landowners and the undocumented immigrants who cross their property while trying to avoid Border Patrol checkpoints….

TODD YATES/CALLER-TIMES Damaged fences are one sign of the movement of undocumented immigrants trying to avoid detection by Border Patrol in Brooks County. Ranchers and civil liberties groups are awaiting a decision by the Texas Supreme Court in a case involving migrants who died in a 2007 vehicle crash on the Jones Ranch in Brooks County. The case could decide the rights of private landowners and the undocumented immigrants who cross their property while trying to avoid Border Patrol checkpoints.
The foundation, which primarily supports Catholic charities, warned that an appellate court decision could create unprecedented duties for landowners to protect trespassers from harm. It
could render ranchers liable for injuries and deaths of smugglers and migrants on terrain that already is dangerous. This comes at a time of mounting threats from human and drug traffickers, the foundation argued…

Ranchers in the area surrounding the Border Patrol checkpoints on U.S. Highways 77 and 281 say their experience with undocumented immigrants has changed considerably even since the 1990s, when they might run across a small group of people.
Today, Border Patrol agents routinely track groups of dozens of migrants, usually led by a brush guide, or coyote.
“You never used to see groups of this many,” Ronnie Osburn, manager of the 12,500-acre Tepeguaje Ranch south of Falfurrias, said on a tour of the ranch last year. “You know, there’d be two, or three, or four.”
Everybody carries down here … I’ve got weaponry stowed in every corner. That’s the way we live. It’s absolutely nuts.”
Ronnie Osburn, manager of the 12,500-acre Tepeguaje Ranch
He said that in the past it wasn’t uncommon for him and other ranchers to offer food and water to small groups they encountered. But now it is different, as evidenced by the 189 patches Osburn affixed to a four-mile stretch of fence.
Ranchers increasingly view large groups of migrants as trespassers who, in haste and desperation, ruin fences, break into buildings and pose a danger because migration routes are controlled by criminal groups. Border Patrol officials say gang-affiliated coyotes may be armed, smuggle drugs and treat migrants as cargo rather than human beings.

sorry about the length. This is just a taste of what I receive everyday from STPRA, and that is an org that is moderate on immigration. They want more legal immigration, guest workers, etc, but to stop the crime taking over their ranches. People who aren’t on the border have no freakin’ clue.

BTW, many of today’s illegals are not from Mexico, but rather from Central America and Asia. Mexico is doing well and has less need now to export its workers to the US.

juliesa on February 17, 2014 at 8:59 PM

Option: developing a plan to deal with the immigrants who are currently in the U.S. illegally.

This sounds like “identify and deport“.

The option should have said “give amnesty and U.S. citizenship to immigrants who are in the country illegally“.

The results would have been much different.

jaime on February 17, 2014 at 9:06 PM

Frank Lib on February 17, 2014 at 8:53 PM

LOLZ, Bazinga!

PeskyPuddyTat on February 17, 2014 at 9:07 PM

Loaded poll questions.

Murf76 on February 17, 2014 at 9:11 PM

It’s a bad poll question. A person who supports immediate deportation would be counted as “relaxed” on border security. No, they just care about the ones here. Americans aren’t relaxing over who is benefiting from public resources.

Daemonocracy on February 17, 2014 at 9:24 PM

Tell me what result you want in a poll and I will deliver it. Polls are useless, its how you frame and form questions and nothing else. Useless.

riddick on February 17, 2014 at 9:25 PM

People’s exhibit A;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0ZZJXw4MTA

narciso on February 17, 2014 at 9:36 PM

You can get any results you want from a poll, if you’re determined to structure questions that way and/or massage the numbers after the fact. Just one more example of why I stopped paying attention to polls a few years ago.

fabrexe on February 17, 2014 at 10:29 PM

I think the former is a given after the past two presidential elections, therefore I’d say the latter is already in effect.

xNavigator on February 17, 2014 at 6:01 PM

True dat. Sad face.

MMK on February 17, 2014 at 10:32 PM

One word: Drones.

Sorry, I meant six words: Drones and tracer bullet warning shots.

Game over. It’s just not that hard a problem to solve.

NoPain on February 17, 2014 at 10:43 PM

cmsinaz on February 17, 2014 at 6:10 PM

Yes! Great comment.

PeskyPuddyTat on February 17, 2014 at 7:22 PM

Thanks to you both.

Lourdes on February 17, 2014 at 10:51 PM

BTW, many of today’s illegals are not from Mexico, but rather from Central America and Asia. Mexico is doing well and has less need now to export its workers to the US.

juliesa on February 17, 2014 at 8:59 PM

Added to, they bring in family members if not entire towns afterward.

It’s the exponential effects created by illegal aliens and illegal immigration. Without ongoing border and interior immigration enforcement, it’s a formula of illegality bent on destroying much of what we have known as the USA, if not all of it.

China, India, Central and South America, Middle East, they’ve established solutions to both destroy the US and to export their poverty to the US to do that.

Lourdes on February 17, 2014 at 10:54 PM

The Gallup writeup doesn’t exactly match up to the poll itself. What the chart calls “Securing U.S. border” is a different albeit related option. The other option is “developing a plan to deal with immigrants who are currently in the U.S illegally”. That contains a lie: generally speaking, you can’t be both an immigrant and here illegally. It’s also very ambiguous: someone choosing that option could support lots of things besides legalizing millions. In their writeup, Gallup refers to “status”, implying that those choosing the “plan” option want to change the status of those “immigrants”. Yet, “status” doesn’t appear in any of the poll questions.

If you want to do something about this, search Twitter for those using the poll to push their agenda, and point out how the poll can’t be trusted. Or, look up reporters (like @jdelreal) who are using the poll to push their agenda, and let them know you’re on to them.

24AheadDotCom on February 17, 2014 at 8:16 PM

Excellent suggestions and comments.

The other option is “developing a plan to deal with immigrants who are currently in the U.S illegally”. That contains a lie: generally speaking, you can’t be both an immigrant and here illegally. It’s also very ambiguous: someone choosing that option could support lots of things besides legalizing millions.

Lourdes on February 17, 2014 at 10:56 PM

Lourdes on February 17, 2014 at 5:55 PM

Very well said.

bluegill on February 17, 2014 at 8:12 PM

Thanks to you, too.

Lourdes on February 17, 2014 at 10:59 PM

They know that both sides are traitorous weasels.

Schadenfreude on February 17, 2014 at 11:12 PM

This poll has a nice sample size of over 1000. The questions were asked in an objective manner. Gallup is not liberal biased or controlled organization. It may be an accurate snapshot of the populace on this issue at this time. If that’s the case I’m not surprised. We’ve seen movement on a number of issues the last 5 years. Nothing about the American populace shocks me anymore!

shubalstearns on February 17, 2014 at 6:45 PM

Hardly! Did you read the question?

What should be the

main

focus of the U.S. government in dealing with illegal immigration — developing a plan that would allow illegal immigrants who have jobs to become legal U.S. residents, or developing a plan for stopping the flow of illegal immigrants into the U.S. and deporting the ones already there.

1) Neither choice is representative of either the liberal or the conservative proposals.

2) The word “main” changes the meaning of this question drastically. This does not create an either/or scenario. A person could choose option 1 and fully expect option 2 to be implemented as well.

3) “Legal U.S. residents” is ambiguous. See what happens if you use the line “give them permanent resident status” or “status equivalent to that of a green card” – which is much more similar to the left position and the proposal of the Dream Act.

4) The part on deportation is poorly articulated and not the “main” thrust of the conservative proposals at all. Thus a misrepresentation that may have had a detrimental affect on the poll.

Pattosensei on February 18, 2014 at 12:12 AM

I don’t trust Gallup or CNN. On the other hand it seems as though there is almost some new level of stupidity daily by a large part of our population. Sad but true. If we are really this stupid this country is a goner.

ghostwalker1 on February 18, 2014 at 12:51 AM

Anytime amnesty is on its death bed a poll like this appears to try and raise it from the dead. If someone comes out with a poll that Americans want deportation and border security that poll will be called an outlier. The important poll is the calls that members of Congress receive from the citizens who vote and pay taxes. Those polls show overwhelming opposition to amnesty. That’s why the amnesty the elites want to badly is on hold.

Hera on February 18, 2014 at 1:27 AM

A rare ray of sense has infected the electorate. Don’t despair fence builders, I’m sure it’s only temporary.

MJBrutus on February 18, 2014 at 6:13 AM

“Polling” like any other procedure can be manipulated. Virtually all of the polling organizations: CNN, Gallup, NBC, WaPo, etc. are all firmly in the left camp.

I do not believe their “reports”. They are done to ‘influence’ public opinion, not report it!

r27cj on February 18, 2014 at 8:40 AM

Perhaps this actually represents a desire on the part of John Q. Public for a functional system such as e-verify with harsher penalties for employers to eliminate illegal workers within the borders. This would actually help improve employment prospects for the legals.

blackdeuce59 on February 18, 2014 at 9:03 AM

For border states, problems with immigration don’t go away. When John McCain goes on and on with talk none of us relate to, there is the problem that in his home state, they keep trying things and the feds kept prohibiting them. They need Money to work on their border solutions, and that is something to remember, the money has all been diverted elsewhere. We paid money for a border fence and where is it? where is the money now? E Verify, we spent money on that before…where is it? where is the money. “Give me back my hundred dollars.”

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/02/18/arizona-lawmakers-advance-30m-virtual-fence-proposal-for-us-mexico-border/?intcmp=latestnews

Fleuries on February 18, 2014 at 11:51 AM

Science is wrong when it insists two objects cannot occupy the same space…or that one thing cannot be in two places at once. Here is an example.

Illegal Immigration is a political matter. Illegal Immigration is also a physical, protection matter. And they are treated by our government, and many people, as either two different things, or they choose one and ignore the existence of the other.

I don’t like the political side, but I understand that it necessarily exists. But the major element is the physical problem of protecting our borders and our citizens who live on those borders. For that reason, I fail to understand how almost everyone, and particularly the government in Washington, D.C., ignore the experts on this matter: the residents on the borders where they have no protection.

This is akin to ignoring the on-site reports from Benghazi as to the nature of the attack and insisting that some video was to blame. Oh…my bad, we do have consistency here, after all. Unfortunately it is in the form of stupidity.

It those on the border say it is a problem, IT IS A PROBLEM.

Polls are useless. And from CNN, they have the same value and truth as a statement from our current President…not to be believed until very carefully checked for facts and for parsing of sentences.

While it is easy to think that perhaps the majority of people have grown tired of hearing about illegal immigration, particularly when what they need is a booming economy to provide more employment, such an attitude does not forgive the government for failing in one of their Constitutionally assigned duties: provide for the security of the country…and this includes those of our citizens living on the border. From my standpoint, this failure is reason enough to impeach every member of Congress as well as the President…and through Holder in jail.

TKPedersen42 on February 18, 2014 at 11:57 AM