GOP firm’s poll: McConnell in statistical tie with Democrat in Kentucky, leads Bevin by 42 points in primary

posted at 4:01 pm on February 14, 2014 by Allahpundit

Similar to last week’s lackluster result from Survey USA. Unless Bevin catches fire, looks like the best-case scenario for the GOP is an exhausting dogfight to the bitter end between McConnell and Grimes that sucks in untold millions of establishment dollars aimed at protecting the Senate minority leader. Again — that’s the best-case scenario. The worst-case scenario, that that dogfight ends in decisive defeat, comes from Sean Davis:

Three of the four Kentucky polls taken so far this year have come from left- or right-leaning pollsters but the topline numbers have been roughly consistent. Two have McConnell up by one, one has the race a dead heat, and the fourth has Grimes up by four. Today’s data, as Davis notes, may be overstating McConnell’s support, if anything. Survey USA had his favorable rating at 27/50, which makes sense given that the entirety of the left and now a sizable chunk of the right consider him an enemy. Wenzel Strategies, the pollster behind this morning’s data, has his favorables at 50/47, which makes … less sense. This race may become for the GOP establishment what Wendy Davis’s race is for abortion warriors — an exceedingly challenging cause celebre that sucks money away from more winnable races.

Solution: Nominate Matt Bevin instead? He does roughly as well against Grimes as McConnell does (trailing by two instead of leading by one) and some polls have shown him outperforming him in the general against her. The risk would be that, as an unknown, he’d be easier for Democrats to define and marginalize than a bigger name like Mitch the Knife, but then that was also true of Rand Paul circa 2010 and he did okay. And yet, despite conservative groups attacking McConnell relentlessly, he still leads Bevin 59/17 in the new Wenzel data and 55/29 in Survey USA’s data last week. Why is that? I get that he’s still all but unknown to voters, but that shouldn’t matter this much; he’s running as Not Mitch McConnell, after all. You don’t need to know his name to signal your preference for ousting McConnell in a poll.

This isn’t helping either:

Matt Bevin, campaigning for Kentucky’s Senate seat in the Republican primary, said his signature on a document expressing support for the 2008 Wall Street bailouts was just a formality. But legal experts — including Bevin’s own lawyer — are dismissing the excuse.

“As a general matter if you put your signature on anything you would be at least acknowledging you don’t have a major issue with the content,” Wade R. Bridge, the attorney listed on Bevin’s 2008 filing, told Breitbart News…

“It may be true that he signed as a CEO but it would be an odd thing for a CEO to disagree with a letter that he signed and sent to the company’s shareholders or a filing that was made with the SEC,” [Cornell law prof Charles] Whitehead told Breitbart News…

Several sources told Breitbart News that the SEC would consider that the signators of the cover letter are attesting to its contents.

Securities law experts said the same thing to National Review and the Weekly Standard. (“If you express an opinion you do not hold, you violate the securities laws.”) Either Bevin’s lying when he says he opposed TARP from the beginning or he’s telling the truth but ended up on the wrong side of proper securities practice. Probably won’t matter to Not Mitch McConnell voters, but as time wears on, I think tea-party voters increasingly look at primary challengers from the following baseline: “Is this guy more Mike Lee or more Christine O’Donnell?” I.e. is this someone worth risking a seat Republicans already hold on or is this someone likely to implode in the general? Bevin’s TARP position won’t matter a bit after the primaries, but I bet he’s on a shorter leash in some GOP voters’ minds in terms of permissible mistakes than he would have been if he was running in 2010 or 2012.

Exit question: Let’s say McConnell leads Bevin by three points with a week to go before the primary and he tells Rand Paul he badly needs him to come home and do some campaigning. What does Rand do?


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Schadenfreude on February 14, 2014 at 6:13 PM

Looks like Bevin is the more “electable” candidate.

Think the establishment will go with that reasoning? That’s the reasoning they used to put RomneyCare on the ballot!

But I’m thinking that “electable” only applies to those outside the establishment.

Good news is – Crossroads America will sink MILLIONS into this POS and that will enable conservatives in other states to have a bit more breathing room to win their races.

HondaV65 on February 14, 2014 at 6:13 PM

I hope both the GOP and the Dems waste all their money on this race so conservatives can get as many people as they can into congress.

NWConservative on February 14, 2014 at 6:15 PM

HA! I wish I could get paid like you just to sit trolling Hotair all day.

NWConservative on February 14, 2014 at 6:10 PM

You seem to do an extremely good job. Heck you are giving political advice to people in a State Senator election when you don’t even live in that State and cant even vote in that election. You are that concerned, spending hour after hour on here giving opinions on state elections you don’t have any say on.

Good on you!

Johnnyreb on February 14, 2014 at 6:17 PM

You seem to do an extremely good job. Heck you are giving political advice to people in a State Senator election when you don’t even live in that State and cant even vote in that election. You are that concerned, spending hour after hour on here giving opinions on state elections you don’t have any say on.

Good on you!

Johnnyreb on February 14, 2014 at 6:17 PM

Well considering that “your” senator likes to give my money to his fellow Kentucky residents while “compromising” with Democrats to give away my children’s future to debt servicing, corruption, and civil unrest. You are damn right I am concerned.

Secondly, McConnell is not a “State” Senator. He is a US Senator for the state of Kentucky. This isn’t some local race for the State House in Kentucky.

When “your” Senator stops reaching into our pockets for his dams, wildlife preserves, bridges, and other pork for his state, then I will stop complaining.

NWConservative on February 14, 2014 at 6:24 PM

Only 42 percent? Well heck, all Ted Cruz is gotta do is force McConnell into a few more politically tough votes and Bevin’s got this thing wrapped up!

By the way, Bevin’s problem is not that he is unknown to voters, but that he is known.

Joseph K on February 14, 2014 at 6:24 PM

Heck you are giving political advice to people in a State Senator election when you don’t even live in that State and cant even vote in that election.

Johnnyreb on February 14, 2014 at 6:17 PM

National debt to rise to $18.2 trillion

Mitch McConnell’s handiwork.

Strangely that debt isn’t going to be restricted to just Kentucky.

sharrukin on February 14, 2014 at 6:27 PM

When “your” Senator stops reaching into our pockets for his dams, wildlife preserves, bridges, and other pork for his state, then I will stop complaining.

NWConservative on February 14, 2014 at 6:24 PM

And you are still trolling for an election that you cant vote in why? Seriously, give it a rest.

What state do you live in? Why don’t you concentrate your efforts there?

Are your two Senators the perfect paradigm of conservative bliss?

Johnnyreb on February 14, 2014 at 6:28 PM

HondaV65 on February 14, 2014 at 6:13 PM

Bevin is behind McConnell by 42 points!!..Yet he is more electable??..Are you high??..:)

Dire Straits on February 14, 2014 at 6:31 PM

And you are still trolling for an election that you cant vote in why? Seriously, give it a rest.

Johnnyreb on February 14, 2014 at 6:28 PM

Maybe your reading comprehension is off, but I just listed why.

NWConservative on February 14, 2014 at 6:31 PM

It would serve this slime bag mcconnel right to loose to a democrat.

TX-96 on February 14, 2014 at 6:32 PM

National debt to rise to $18.2 trillion

Mitch McConnell’s handiwork.

Strangely that debt isn’t going to be restricted to just Kentucky.

sharrukin on February 14, 2014 at 6:27 PM

And Mitch McConnell is solely responsible for that? Seriously, the other 99 Senators and 535 Reps had absolutely nothing to do with that? It was 100% the fault of one single Senator from Kentucky who is in the minority party in the Senate?

Seriously people. We need a better class of troll here.

Johnnyreb on February 14, 2014 at 6:33 PM

Maybe your reading comprehension is off, but I just listed why.

NWConservative on February 14, 2014 at 6:31 PM

And once more, what state do you live in and can vote in?

Johnnyreb on February 14, 2014 at 6:34 PM

I think I would rather have Grimes at the bottom of the minority party than McConnell at the head of the majority party.

davidk on February 14, 2014 at 6:35 PM

#DitchMitch
#DitchMitch
#DitchMitch
#DitchMitch ole!

Jeddite on February 14, 2014 at 6:44 PM

Come on. There’s no way this primary gets within 3 points. Ever. There have been ads on TV since last September and voters have made their minds up by now. The primary is just over 100 days from now. Unless McConnell literally gets caught with a dead girl or a live boy, he’s winning the primary going away.

I think the close polls with him and Grimes are a function of the massive amount of mud that has been thrown at McConnell and the lack of anything up about her. She is a lightweight in the extreme, was forced into the race by desperate Democrats, and will wilt under the scrutiny of a real campaign against McConnell. As I said, the primary is in May and he will have all summer and fall to pound her and she will have to stand up to a lot more scrutiny for the next 5 months than she has the last 5.

rockmom on February 14, 2014 at 4:09 PM

I agree with the first paragraph and disagree with the second. There is no surge on the horizon for Bevin here in KY. However Grimes will be tougher to beat than some people think. She has won statewide races before and is the current Sec of State. The Dems are always better at unifying behind their candidates than the Repubs.

shubalstearns on February 14, 2014 at 6:47 PM

Only 42 percent? Well heck, all Ted Cruz is gotta do is force McConnell into a few more politically tough votes and Bevin’s got this thing wrapped up!

By the way, Bevin’s problem is not that he is unknown to voters, but that he is known.

Joseph K on February 14, 2014 at 6:24 PM

Where did you get that he is a “known” quantity? I looked at both the polls and the Survey USA poll (more accurate than the Wenzel data IMHO), 37% of people have a neutral opinion of Bevin and a another 37% have no opinion about him (unknown), contrast to McConnell at 19% neutral opinion and 4 unknown and Grimes at 29% neutral and 18% unknown.

Secondly, in that poll, Matt Bevin’s Favorable/Unfavorable number is 10/17, Grimes is 26/27, and McConnell’s is 27/50. That’s right nearly 50 percent disapproval and the Democrats have barely even started!

Bevin is behind McConnell by 42 points!!..Yet he is more electable??..Are you high??..:)

Dire Straits on February 14, 2014 at 6:31 PM

Why don’t you look at the polls yourself? Rasmussen had him within 2 pts of Grims without McConnell’s unfavorables and SUSA last week had him 5 pts behind nearly tying McConnell’s 4 pt deficit, again without McConnell’s unfavorables.

If Bevin doesn’t win the primary, given current poll #’s it is likely that the GOP is going to have to pay a pretty penny to keep McConnell in office. I think that is stupid and wrong, and it hurts candidates in other states. Especially when 2016 rolls around.

Republicans are going to need to get a heck of a lot of seats this year to stop the Democrats from retaking the Senate in 2016. The Republicans have TWENTY FOUR seats up in 2016, many of which are in Democrat leaning states. Because the Tea party and the Establishment types screwed up so many elections in the last few cycles, the GOP doesn’t have much of a buffer going into a presidential year. So they could win in all this year and lose it AGAIN, even with a Republican president in 2016.

Just like most of the first term of GWB.

NWConservative on February 14, 2014 at 6:47 PM

Seriously people. We need a better class of troll here.

Johnnyreb on February 14, 2014 at 6:33 PM

I know. Leave and get the Mitch McConnell apologists in here.

NWConservative on February 14, 2014 at 6:49 PM


“We cant not-support Mitch McConnell! If we don’t support Mitch McConnell, the Democrat might win! You dont want the Democrat to win, do you? DO YOU?!

#DitchMitch

Jeddite on February 14, 2014 at 6:50 PM

And you are still trolling for an election that you cant vote in why?

Johnnyreb

Karl Rove is raising money in an election he can’t vote in why?

xblade on February 14, 2014 at 6:56 PM

Karl Rove is raising money in an election he can’t vote in why?

xblade on February 14, 2014 at 6:56 PM

Shhh. You can’t comment on Kentucky or any state that you don’t live in.

NWConservative on February 14, 2014 at 6:59 PM

NWConservative on February 14, 2014 at 6:47 PM

McConnell is going to win the primary No??..So what does it matter how Bevin polls against Grimes..We need to worry about 2014 not 2016..imho..:)

Dire Straits on February 14, 2014 at 7:00 PM

Conservatives use your head. If we ever hope to see this country go back to being a democratic republic instead of the democratic socialist country it is becoming, it is time to suck it up and take the RINO who can win. A circular firing squad has never worked. I hate it as well. Being from Ohio, I have to back Portman and Beohner.
I will be wearing a paper bag over my head to the polls but I have children and grandchildren I have to think of.

pwb on February 14, 2014 at 7:15 PM

Here’s Cornyn’s Tea Party rival in Texas, Dwayne Stovall, with a bit of a lift.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/‘i-like-turtle-soup’-gop-sen-candidate-puts-out-bizarre-ad-slamming-mitch-mcconnell/

beatcanvas on February 14, 2014 at 7:18 PM

it is time to suck it up and take the RINO who can win.

pwb on February 14, 2014 at 7:15 PM

Win what exactly?

When has McConnell ever done anything to roll back the left’s agenda?

sharrukin on February 14, 2014 at 7:18 PM

McConnell is useless as a Republican, so who really cares if he loses to a democrat?

SouthernGent on February 14, 2014 at 7:20 PM

McConnell is going to win the primary No??..So what does it matter how Bevin polls against Grimes..We need to worry about 2014 not 2016..imho..:)

Dire Straits on February 14, 2014 at 7:00 PM

Sorry long post.

We need to think long term and stop playing prevent defense. Throw McConnell under the bus and play for the other seats up this year. We have an opportunity to be competitive in Oregon, Michigan, and Colorado for crying out loud. The GOP can win 5-7 seats conservatively this year. I want them to aim for 10-12 seats this year. Democrats do not act this way when the GOP is down. They go for the freaking throat. This election could be bigger than 2010 if they play it right. I hate that the GOP Senators ALWAYS want to stay to the bitter end and do not go when they should.

As for McConnell, he is dragging others down with him by sucking up money. Although it may not be a bad idea for some orgs to stay in Kentucky so conservatives are not swamped elsewhere, it still sucks that GOP money is going to have to be spent to defend him should he win. He has shown crappy leadership and is a net loss for the GOP by depressing the base with drunk Boehner and his lackeys in the House.

I think that it would be easier to defend a fresh face in Bevin than with McConnell. The Democrats have successfully done this several times. They almost beat Toomey in 2010 with Sestak, who replaced a sure to lose Arlen Specter. They did it with Chris Dodd, Jeff Bingaman, Herb Kohl, Kent Conrad, and Jim Webb. It did not work with Burris (IL), Bayh (IN), or with Dorgan (ND)

Nonetheless, the republicans need a big margin going into 2016 or this year will mean nothing. The GOP has 24 out of the 34 seats up for grabs that year. These are in purple and blue states that will be hard to hold. If the GOP is not careful, the US will have Reid or Schumer as majority leader AGAIN.

NWConservative on February 14, 2014 at 7:27 PM

Hooray!!! Another seat the purists (?) (plants) can turn democratic. Yeah!!!!!!!!!!

WryTrvllr on February 14, 2014 at 7:28 PM

If Mitch wants Rand to campaign for him, he has to go to Tea Party gatherings and apologize for his behavior.

Cindy Munford on February 14, 2014 at 7:36 PM

When has McConnell ever done anything to roll back the left’s agenda?

sharrukin on February 14, 2014 at 7:18 PM

He only has 43 votes..It is hard to roll back anyone’s agenda with 43 votes out of 100..Simple math..:)

Dire Straits on February 14, 2014 at 7:37 PM

NWConservative on February 14, 2014 at 7:27 PM

I see your points..But we need to win the Senate in 2014..That is the prize..And the one we should focus on..We will deal with 2016 later..:)

Dire Straits on February 14, 2014 at 7:39 PM

Conservatives use your head. If we ever hope to see this country go back to being a democratic republic instead of the democratic socialist country it is becoming, it is time to suck it up and take the RINO who can win. A circular firing squad has never worked. I hate it as well. Being from Ohio, I have to back Portman and Beohner.
I will be wearing a paper bag over my head to the polls but I have children and grandchildren I have to think of.

pwb on February 14, 2014 at 7:15 PM

Being in Boehner’s district, with your logic you have a great reason not to vote for him. Who do you think is enabling this socialist republic to come into being by standing down? Especially, given what is going on in the House of Reps, Boehner’s seat could go to the Democrats, a third party, or safely to another primary challenger and still not even come close to endangering control of the House of Representatives.

If they are just RINO’s to you, why do you keep voting for them? You are teaching them that walking all over you as a doormat is just peachy. You are acting like a battered housewife, maybe THIS time they will do what they said they would do. You are making yourself just as much a part of the problem as these Republicans you purport are RINO’s by voting for Republicans that don’t support your values.

If they are what you say they are, HOW will these RINO’s reverse what has happened if they are Republicans in Name Only? Some logic you got there by voting for those you consider not to be Republicans. And then you come on here and chastise other conservatives that they need to vote in lockstep with the party you consider to be full of RINO’s. Really?

NWConservative on February 14, 2014 at 7:41 PM

He only has 43 votes..It is hard to roll back anyone’s agenda with 43 votes out of 100..Simple math..:)

Dire Straits on February 14, 2014 at 7:37 PM

He certainly seems able to enact Obama’s agenda rather well with just 43 votes.

sharrukin on February 14, 2014 at 7:42 PM

Fact: Obamacare is popular in Appalachia.

libfreeordie on February 14, 2014 at 7:45 PM

These guys raised the debt ceiling under Bush, when they had the majority. THIS HAS TO STOP!!!! It is not acceptable, no matter who is president.

Cindy Munford on February 14, 2014 at 7:53 PM

I see your points..But we need to win the Senate in 2014..That is the prize..And the one we should focus on..We will deal with 2016 later..:)

Dire Straits on February 14, 2014 at 7:39 PM

The GOP needs to win in 2014, but what is the point when in two years it goes back to the Democrats? You win a bare majority in the Senate this year of 5-6 seats and you are in trouble in 2016. Plus, based on past experience, I have absolutely NO faith that the GOP will do anything with a majority in office.

Sure, people mention judges and investigations into the corruption in the administration. We just need a “gang of whatever” and you now have a judge instated.

As for the investigations, look at the how the House investigations are going. Still locked away in the various oversight committees and under Darrel Issa’s corrupt thumb. They have axed the idea of special prosecutor, which would actually get something rolling. But no, it gets stuck in endless committee hearings like benghazi and the rest with no resolution in sight. Lovely.

In fact, I think that amnesty will be easier to do with a majority of Republicans in both houses. Much easier to compromise with yourself.

NWConservative on February 14, 2014 at 7:54 PM

libfreeordie on February 14, 2014 at 7:45 PM

Swell.

Cindy Munford on February 14, 2014 at 7:54 PM

McConnell is going to win the primary No??..So what does it matter how Bevin polls against Grimes..We need to worry about 2014 not 2016..imho..:)

Dire Straits on February 14, 2014 at 7:00 PM

It means McConnell should step down. For the good of the party.

besser tot als rot on February 14, 2014 at 7:55 PM

One must be nuttier than a squirrel’s lunch to call McConnell a RINO, or to waste resources supporting Bevin in the general election that could be better used elsewhere. I for one do not care to see a repeat of the Indiana Senate race in 2012. Joe Donnelly will probably have that seat safely for the Democrats for years to come, let’s not repeat the mistake in Kentucky

Dr.B on February 14, 2014 at 7:57 PM

Fact: Obamacare is popular in Appalachia.

libfreeordie on February 14, 2014 at 7:45 PM

Even if I believed it was true, it is still not going to save the West Virginia seat for the Democrats with Shelly Moore Capito running. Or the Michigan, Montana, South Dakota, North Carolina, Arkansas, and Louisianna seats.

NWConservative on February 14, 2014 at 7:57 PM

Hooray!!! Another seat the purists (?) (plants) can turn democratic. Yeah!!!!!!!!!!

WryTrvllr on February 14, 2014 at 7:28 PM

By “purists” you’re talking about McConnell and the statist purists, right?

besser tot als rot on February 14, 2014 at 7:58 PM

I for one do not care to see a repeat of the Indiana Senate race in 2012.

Dr.B on February 14, 2014 at 7:57 PM

You don’t want to see a crybaby statist lose and work against the GOP nominee and go on to endorse Democrats for US Senate, such as in Georgia? You and me both, dog. You and me both.

besser tot als rot on February 14, 2014 at 7:59 PM

One must be nuttier than a squirrel’s lunch to call McConnell a RINO, or to waste resources supporting Bevin in the general election that could be better used elsewhere. I for one do not care to see a repeat of the Indiana Senate race in 2012. Joe Donnelly will probably have that seat safely for the Democrats for years to come, let’s not repeat the mistake in Kentucky

Dr.B on February 14, 2014 at 7:57 PM

DID YOU NOT READ THE POLL AT ALL?

McConnell is the one with problems, EVEN if he wins the primary, he is running EVEN or SLIGHTLY BEHIND the Democrat. The aggregate of the polling is showing a tied or positive for the Democrats.

Maybe Lugar and McConnell should know(should have known as in the case of Lugar) when to drop out for the good of the cause like the Democrats do so well. But they won’t because they think the seat is theirs until death or when they abdicate their throne to someone else.

NWConservative on February 14, 2014 at 8:01 PM

He certainly seems able to enact Obama’s agenda rather well with just 43 votes.

sharrukin on February 14, 2014 at 7:42 PM

Again simple math..Does it escape you??..I don’t see that as McConnell’s fault..:)

Dire Straits on February 14, 2014 at 8:02 PM

waste resources supporting Bevin in the general election that could be better used elsewhere.

Dr.B on February 14, 2014 at 7:57 PM

Trying to hold this seat for McConnell when another Republican could win it with much greater ease is how to waste the most resources in this race. Resources that could be used to win other seats for the Republicans.

besser tot als rot on February 14, 2014 at 8:07 PM

You don’t want to see a crybaby statist lose and work against the GOP nominee and go on to endorse Democrats for US Senate, such as in Georgia? You and me both, dog. You and me both.

besser tot als rot on February 14, 2014 at 7:59 PM

Party unity is only acceptable when it is uniting behind “leadership” backed candidates. Who blame conservatives when they lose. If conservatives win, there are so many cases of nationally backed republicans backstabbing the nominated candidate I can’t name them all.

Not to mention the infamous Lisa Murkowski, who ran against her own party to keep her seat with TONS of democrat votes. And what did MITCH MCCONNELL and the rest of the leadership do after that betrayal of Alaska GOP voters? They let her keep her seniority and committee rankings! And people wonder why the base hates the leadership?

NWConservative on February 14, 2014 at 8:09 PM

Again simple math..Does it escape you??..I don’t see that as McConnell’s fault..:)

Dire Straits on February 14, 2014 at 8:02 PM

Like how McConnell couldn’t stop the clean debt ceiling increase?

besser tot als rot on February 14, 2014 at 8:12 PM

Dear McConnell lovers, in what way would the country change if the Republicans take the Senate? Continually raise the debt ceiling – check. Amnesty – check. Congress members get rich off of pork and K Street – check. Yes, please, may I have some more.

Cindy Munford on February 14, 2014 at 8:13 PM

Again simple math..Does it escape you??..I don’t see that as McConnell’s fault..:)

Dire Straits on February 14, 2014 at 8:02 PM

I would be fine if they were just freaking honest with us. None of this bullcrap expectations buildup about how they are going to fight to the ends of the earth on this issue or that issue when we ALL know how it ends with this crew. I don’t believe this is going to change at all if they get a majority with the current leadership.

NWConservative on February 14, 2014 at 8:13 PM

For the good of the party, McConnell should drop out. Let someone who can win run in the general! (Typical establishment rant against any conservative)

astonerii on February 14, 2014 at 8:15 PM

Hey, if all the repubs can come up with is the likes of Mitch and Bevin, we are in trouble.

But you already knew that.

Sherman1864 on February 14, 2014 at 8:15 PM

Exit question: Let’s say McConnell leads Bevin by three points with a week to go before the primary and he tells Rand Paul he badly needs him to come home and do some campaigning. What does Rand do?

He obviously does it … while secretly hoping McConnell loses.

besser tot als rot on February 14, 2014 at 8:15 PM

Again simple math..Does it escape you??..I don’t see that as McConnell’s fault..:)

Dire Straits on February 14, 2014 at 8:02 PM

Simple math says that 55 is not enough to get past a filibuster.

astonerii on February 14, 2014 at 8:17 PM

Dear McConnell lovers, in what way would the country change if the Republicans take the Senate? Continually raise the debt ceiling – check. Amnesty – check. Congress members get rich off of pork and K Street – check. Yes, please, may I have some more.

Cindy Munford on February 14, 2014 at 8:13 PM

This is why Grimes winning wouldn’t really make a difference.

tetriskid on February 14, 2014 at 8:21 PM

If Mitch wants Rand to campaign for him, he has to go to Tea Party gatherings and apologize for his behavior.

Cindy Munford on February 14, 2014 at 7:36 PM

But they’ll throw things at him :P

thebrokenrattle on February 14, 2014 at 8:21 PM

Simple math says that 55 is not enough to get past a filibuster.

astonerii on February 14, 2014 at 8:17 PM

Well Harry Reid has already established new precedent that minority rights in the Senate mean nothing and rules can be changed whenever with majority vote. So I don’t expect the filibuster to remain functioning for much longer (at least in its current form). Although for Republicans, it will remain 60 votes. Democrats will only need 51 in the future.

NWConservative on February 14, 2014 at 8:23 PM

Hey, if all the repubs can come up with is the likes of Mitch and Bevin, we are in trouble.
But you already knew that.

Sherman1864 on February 14, 2014 at 8:15 PM

Conservatives generally hate government – see it as a necessary evil. The best and brightest generally avoid it like the plague. We’re often left with the rejects who couldn’t make it in the real world. Or with statists masquerading as conservatives.

besser tot als rot on February 14, 2014 at 8:24 PM

besser tot als rot on February 14, 2014 at 7:55 PM

McConnell should step down??..Against Bevin??..No!!..Not happening..:)

Dire Straits on February 14, 2014 at 8:24 PM

If Mitch wants Rand to campaign for him, he has to go to Tea Party gatherings and apologize for his behavior.

Cindy Munford on February 14, 2014 at 7:36 PM

Rand will play the long game. Placate the “establishment,” hoping to minimize their assaults on him in 2016.

besser tot als rot on February 14, 2014 at 8:26 PM

Reform Begins At Home #DitchMitch

Jeddite on February 14, 2014 at 8:26 PM

people making excuses for bevin the other day on here after his embarrassing showing with beck are a joke.

not saying to not vote for him, but lets be serious. He loved TARP and put in the same situation, if he didn’t have political cover, he would vote for it when the chips were down.

uatu1878 on February 14, 2014 at 8:27 PM

It’s easy to look good against a five-term incumbent who happens to be the Democrats’ #1 target.

ezspirit on February 14, 2014 at 8:29 PM

uatu1878 on February 14, 2014 at 8:27 PM

Bevin: a private citizen during TARP. OMG! evil! criminal!

McConnell: helped pass TARP and is proud of it. Awesome! Hero!

Is that about right?

tetriskid on February 14, 2014 at 8:30 PM

astonerii on February 14, 2014 at 8:17 PM

BUT with 55 votes the GOP would control the agenda and put the Dems on the end that the GOP currently occupies..Much better view..:)

Dire Straits on February 14, 2014 at 8:31 PM

people making excuses for bevin the other day on here after his embarrassing showing with beck are a joke.

not saying to not vote for him, but lets be serious. He loved TARP and put in the same situation, if he didn’t have political cover, he would vote for it when the chips were down.

uatu1878 on February 14, 2014 at 8:27 PM

Mitch McConnell after he voted for and the Senate passed TARP:

“This has been the Senate at its finest.”

NWConservative on February 14, 2014 at 8:32 PM

It’s easy to look good against a five-term incumbent who happens to be the Democrats’ #1 target.

ezspirit on February 14, 2014 at 8:29 PM

So then its time to leave then? If it is going to be that easy, maybe the most electable candidate should go on to the general election.

NWConservative on February 14, 2014 at 8:33 PM

BUT with 55 votes the GOP would control the agenda and put the Dems on the end that the GOP currently occupies..Much better view..:)

Dire Straits on February 14, 2014 at 8:31 PM

So then they could pass amnesty?

sharrukin on February 14, 2014 at 8:41 PM

Fact: Obamacare is popular in Appalachia.
libfreeordie on February 14, 2014 at 7:45 PM

Fact: No sh*t Sherlock, when you’re talking about the drug-addled welfare parasites that make up the overwhelming majority of blue enclaves.

It says an enormous amount about the Obama Party when you brag that your programs are supported by uneducated drug addicts. It also shows why every Obama program fails.

northdallasthirty on February 14, 2014 at 8:48 PM

Hey, let’s keep doing what we’ve been doing, since it’s worked out so well for our country and all…

hillbillyjim on February 14, 2014 at 8:51 PM

It’s easy to look good against a five-term incumbent who happens to be the Democrats’ #1 target.

And yet Bevin can’t do it. He’s moving backwards in the vote. Mickey Mouse could probably win more than 17% of the primary vote.

Bevin’s a typical Tea Partier- dumber than dirt, corrupt as hell, and believing that everyone’s as gullible as he is. Kentuckians notice this, and respond appropriately. Good luck selling cigarettes in Cellblock D, fella.

BrianJ on February 14, 2014 at 8:52 PM

Fact: Obamacare is popular in Appalachia.
libfreeordie on February 14, 2014 at 7:45 PM

Not in these Appalachian mountains. It’s about as popular here as blue mold.

hillbillyjim on February 14, 2014 at 8:52 PM

So then they could pass amnesty?

sharrukin on February 14, 2014 at 8:41 PM

No..But how do you know they would??..:)

Dire Straits on February 14, 2014 at 8:54 PM

McConnell, is now 72. He’s been in the Senate for 4 terms, 24 years. He’s been the Minority Leader since January 2007.

I think at 72, after 24 years of service, and going into his 8th year of being the Minority Leader, it’s time for McConnell to retire. But rather than consider it, his ego looks out, reads the tea leaves for November, and see’s himself as being the next Senate Majority Leader. That’s pretty much the entire reason why he’s running. Majority Whip 2003-2007, Minority Leader 2007-2015, and he hopes to wrap up a 30 year tenure as Majority Leader 2015-2021.

Ultimately, it’s all about him and his ego. Can we honestly say that he’s been a stellar Minority Leader? Beyond keeping the GOP Senate caucus unified against the ACA in late 2009 – early 2010, what memorable leadership examples has he done?

I contend that McConnell has been pretty much a bust as a leader. He can’t effectively message or challenge either Barack Obama or Harry Reid or the lapdog media. He prefers to go along to get along. He seems to prefer to plan around trying not to lose too badly as opposed to trying to win. IMO, his first position on any of these contentious issues is one of defeat, saying …well, we’ve only got 45 in our caucus. He acts as if the only fight worth fighting is the one where victory is assured. Reacting and following isn’t leading. And worse of all, he’s for himself first.

In sports, when the head coach or manager can’t motivate the team, can’t engage, and just walks through the motions, they get canned. The owner of the Cleveland Browns earlier this week basically fired the entire front office after a dismal season.

We have an ineffective leader in McConnell. He needs to step down or get replaced as Minority Leader….just as Boehner needs to step down or get replaced as Speaker. Neither have been effective in their role. We need to bring in effective leaders who are willing to lead.

In McConnell’s case, at his age, and after 24 years of service, I think it’s time to quietly retire – and do what’s best for the country as opposed to his ego.

Athos on February 14, 2014 at 8:57 PM

I’ve started calling him Mitch Daschle in honor of Senate Majority Leaders Tom Daschle who forgot that he was from South Dakota and was representing them and instead was representing San Francisco liberals and was then sent home.

Like Tom Daschle, Mitch has forgotten who brought him to the dance and needs to be replaced.

RJL on February 14, 2014 at 9:12 PM

Athos on February 14, 2014 at 8:57 PM

Thank you, Athos. You said it all.

TheRightMan on February 14, 2014 at 9:13 PM

It means McConnell should step down. For the good of the party.

besser tot als rot on February 14, 2014 at 7:55 PM

You don’t want to see a crybaby statist lose and work against the GOP nominee and go on to endorse Democrats for US Senate, such as in Georgia? You and me both, dog. You and me both.

besser tot als rot on February 14, 2014 at 7:59 PM

Trying to hold this seat for McConnell when another Republican could win it with much greater ease is how to waste the most resources in this race. Resources that could be used to win other seats for the Republicans.

besser tot als rot on February 14, 2014 at 8:07 PM

Check…..check…..check mate.

KMav on February 14, 2014 at 9:23 PM

Athos on February 14, 2014 at 8:57 PM

Completely agree. Why is it that so many Republicans seem content with failure and their candidates failing upwards (Next in line for President anyone)?

He does not inspire anyone that he is in it to win anything, but even more than that, on the big issues he seems to let everything fall apart.

NWConservative on February 14, 2014 at 9:24 PM

By “purists” you’re talking about McConnell and the statist purists, right?

besser tot als rot on February 14, 2014 at 7:58 PM

remind me again of what the breakdown on that vote was again?

WryTrvllr on February 14, 2014 at 9:25 PM

Some people on HotAir (NWConservative) will not be happy until we can clone Ted Cruz 99 times and run him in every Senate race. It is not going to happen. Anyway, it is all theoretical at this point, Kentucky GOP primary voters are fortunately not going to follow the paths of the Indiana, Nevada, Missouri, and Delaware recent primaries and nominate a TruCon loser who goes on to piss away a winnable seat for the GOP.

Dr.B on February 14, 2014 at 9:56 PM

Those numbers make no sense. If McConnell is tits up against this dope liberal because conservatives won’t vote for The RINO King, then why is he killing Bevin? If Bevin is doing so badly against the powerful incumbent, why is McConnell doing nothing against the nobody Dem?

Bizarre. Three things we know:

1) McConnell is a RINO joke;
B) Bevin is a great risk to nominate and seems like a flake;
iii) We can’t fail to take the Senate because we lost the GOP Senate leader in a GOP state.

Jaibones on February 14, 2014 at 10:16 PM

PS How do I piss on vote against Orrin Hatch?

Jaibones on February 14, 2014 at 10:17 PM

Some people on HotAir (NWConservative) will not be happy until…

Dr.B on February 14, 2014 at 9:56 PM

I have heard this somewhere before…?

sharrukin on February 14, 2014 at 10:24 PM

There is one and only one purpose for this GOP poll: to give people the false impression that true conservatives can’t compete with the establishment. My guess is Karl Rove was managing the phone banks.

ThePainfulTruth on February 14, 2014 at 10:25 PM

The Dems are crazy to unseat Mitch the Turtle. Even if we flip 5 seats, with the surrender monkeys still in charge, nothing changes. The Dems will still be running circles around the French Republicans with 49 true Dems and the dozen or so R’s that use the party to get elected only to practice as Democrats.

I pray that Grimes can flip the turtle on his back. Although Bevin still has a shot.

Exninja on February 14, 2014 at 10:34 PM

Remember when the liberal media pulled the ‘Romney signature on SEC filings after he left Bain Capital’ meme during the 2012 election cycle? Interesting how McConnell is using the same liberal meme against Bevin…

And people foolishly call McConnell a conservative? With conservatives like McConnell, who needs liberals?

ThePainfulTruth on February 14, 2014 at 10:35 PM

Some people on HotAir (NWConservative) will not be happy until we can clone Ted Cruz 99 times and run him in every Senate race. It is not going to happen. Anyway, it is all theoretical at this point, Kentucky GOP primary voters are fortunately not going to follow the paths of the Indiana, Nevada, Missouri, and Delaware recent primaries and nominate a TruCon loser who goes on to piss away a winnable seat for the GOP.

Dr.B on February 14, 2014 at 9:56 PM

And of course it is either Ted Cruz or Mike Castle with you people. So tell me how Carly Fiorina worked out? Or how about Mitt Romney, John McCain, Bob Dole, George W and HW Bush, Thompson in Wisconsin, Linda McMahon, Dino Rossi, Dede Scozzafava? All of them crashed and burned as establishment favorites and both Bushes, especially GWB, ruined the Republican party’s image for so many years.

How many seats have the leadership pissed away through the last few years and taken everyone else down with them? I also love how you presume to know who I wanted to win in those contests, but from a shrill leadership apologist, I can’t say that I expected much. Especially from a person who has basic reading comprehension and critical thinking issues.

So let me spell it out real simple for you: I am in favor of voting for the most conservative candidate for the state in question. I also do not believe in incumbents sailing through to reelection especially one as bad at what they do as McConnell. I also do not believe as MANY others have stated as well that any of the current leadership should be reelected.

But apparently some people (insert nameless GOP party automaton here) want to be as bad a a democrat voter and just vote for people with an R next to their name. Dr. B, just go be a democrat, it will be so much easier for a simpleton like you.

NWConservative on February 14, 2014 at 10:40 PM

…so…good thread!…it was a little different…to see a ‘conservative’….called a troll!…lol!

KOOLAID2 on February 15, 2014 at 1:16 AM

He only has 43 votes..It is hard to roll back anyone’s agenda with 43 votes out of 100..Simple math..:)

Dire Straits on February 14, 2014 at 7:37 PM

43 votes can stop anything in the Senate…Simple math…:)

Yet McConnell hasnt fought anything Harry Reid brings to the floor. Hes spent more time criticizing conservstives over Democrats over the past 2 years. Hes a spinless coward who serves no purpose to Americans as minority leader.

Spliff Menendez on February 15, 2014 at 1:37 AM

Spliff Menendez on February 15, 2014 at 1:37 AM

Yes..With Collins, Kirk, Murkowski, And a few other “shaky” ones..It is simple math that are not going to “roll back” anything”..You will be lucky to obstruct anything..:)

Dire Straits on February 15, 2014 at 2:17 AM

Spliff Menendez on February 15, 2014 at 1:37 AM
Yes..With Collins, Kirk, Murkowski, And a few other “shaky” ones..It is simple math that you are not going to “roll back” anything”..You will be lucky to obstruct anything..:)

Dire Straits on February 15, 2014 at 2:17 AM

Sorry..Fixed..:)

Dire Straits on February 15, 2014 at 2:18 AM

Yes..With Collins, Kirk, Murkowski, And a few other “shaky” ones..It is simple math that are not going to “roll back” anything”..You will be lucky to obstruct anything..:)

Dire Straits on February 15, 2014 at 2:17 AM

I know what your saying. But I can only blame Senate leadersjip for not having a unified caucus. Harry Reid sure doesnt have that problem.

Spliff Menendez on February 15, 2014 at 2:33 AM

Spliff Menendez on February 15, 2014 at 2:33 AM

I agree Reid has a pretty unified bunch…But this has always been a problem with the GOP Senate for years..Doesn’t matter who is the leader..:)

Dire Straits on February 15, 2014 at 2:59 AM

Despite the “millions” of dollars in desperate free publicity for Bevin from HotAir :) I can only assume that:

1. Establishment Kentuckians can’t read

or

2. Establishment Kentuckians won’t read (Hotair)

or

3. Bevins chances of winning on a shiny white pony campaign of purity isn’t going to catch fire in a blue state (not just the grass)

4. Rand Paul’s re election chances went into the toilet

Okay so for all the newbies to flare up and spew, purity isn’t working for the dems either – despite throwing 6 easy pease senate races in 6 years we can still win the senate

Maybe just a hint to the Tea’ers – name calling isn’t working, using the same smear tactics that the nastiest dems use isn’t working either.

EricPWJohnson on February 15, 2014 at 4:48 AM

If Bevin loses, this will be the first time that I will support the loony leftist over the leftist progressive GOP senator

Brock Robamney on February 15, 2014 at 6:56 AM

I will no longer vote for these republicans that are destroying the nation regardless of the consequences. I am convinced the solution no longer lies in the legislative, judicial or executive branches but instead at the end of a gun barrel. I will continue to spend my resources preparing for the collapse.

trs on February 15, 2014 at 7:35 AM

What a choice KY voters have to choose between a desperate flip flopping con wanna be, Bevin, the could be next leader of the senate rino and a dem who will continue to vote and sell them down the river of debt. Good luck, guys.

Kissmygrits on February 15, 2014 at 8:56 AM

I will no longer vote for these republicans that are destroying the nation regardless of the consequences. I am convinced the solution no longer lies in the legislative, judicial or executive branches but instead at the end of a gun barrel. I will continue to spend my resources preparing for the collapse.
trs on February 15, 2014 at 7:35 AM

Article V comes to mind as a peaceful alternative

Brock Robamney on February 15, 2014 at 9:05 AM

BUT with 55 votes the GOP would control the agenda and put the Dems on the end that the GOP currently occupies..Much better view..:)
Dire Straits on February 14, 2014 at 8:31 PM

So then they could pass amnesty?
sharrukin on February 14, 2014 at 8:41 PM

Or, instead of repealing Obamacare, just tweak it

Brock Robamney on February 15, 2014 at 9:32 AM

What a choice KY voters have to choose between a desperate flip flopping con wanna be, Bevin, the could be next leader of the senate rino and a dem who will continue to vote and sell them down the river of debt. Good luck, guys.
Kissmygrits on February 15, 2014 at 8:56 AM

Seems like an easy choice for me. Anybody but McConnell. When Bush was president he had the house and senate for 6 years, and we had his big government agenda. McConnell is the leader and he accomplished nothing. He needs to go

Brock Robamney on February 15, 2014 at 10:03 AM

I have no love for McConnell. While he is today far more conservative than he has been in his 30 years in the Beltway, he will never really overcome the Nixon/Ford GOP that he came from. He is very much a Clay Whig, idolizes KY’s native son, Henry Clay. Much as Abe Lincoln was a Clay Whig.

This Bevin challenge is increasingly likely to be a kamikaze mission for the professional Tea folk, like Jim DeMint’s PAC. This will be a mutually destructive primary that will hand the advantage to the Dem challenger in the general election, leading to a likely loss of the seat.

Toocon on February 15, 2014 at 10:37 AM

But they’ll throw things at him :P

thebrokenrattle on February 14, 2014 at 8:21 PM

Don’t make me buy plane to tickets to Kentucky.

Cindy Munford on February 15, 2014 at 10:50 AM

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