This winter’s cold snap is one reason why Obama’s coal regulations are not the best idea

posted at 8:21 pm on February 13, 2014 by Erika Johnsen

Even independently of the Obama administration’s policies, the U.S. energy grid has been undergoing some major shifts in the past few years. As the shale revolution has gained steam and natural gas has become more abundant, the proportion of electricity we get from coal has decreased while the role of viable-substitute natural gas has gotten bigger. Many defenders of the Obama administration’s incoming regulations for new and existing coal-fired power plants point to this ongoing market shift as part of their rationale, arguing that the transition to cleaner-burning natural gas is happening anyway and that all these regulations are just hurrying things along a bit for the sake of the climate — but the regulations are also ensuring that a swing back to coal can’t happen even if the market wanted it to. For instance, what if an extra-cold winter sent demand (and thus, prices) for natural gas unusually high; or if, say, a region like New England was lacking the pipeline network it would take to transport the necessary quantities of gas to keep everyone’s homes heated? You know, like — now?

Via The Hill:

The drawn out arctic blast has the U.S. turning to coal.

As natural gas prices reach a four-year high due to the strain the cold has put on gas pipelines, utilities are shifting to coal to pump out 4.519 million megawatt-hours a day.

Coal’s share of energy production in the U.S. might climb to 40.3 percent from 39 percent last year. And the U.S. is on track for its coldest winter in more than 30 years through January, giving rise to the less expensive energy source.

“The idea of coal disappearing is not an effective climate change policy,” said John Thompson, an analyst at the Boston-based Clean Air Task Force told Bloomberg News. “Coal use is growing.”

Yes, coal use is growing — much like in Germany, where their determination to speedily stamp out fossil-fuel based energy sources in fact directly resulted in the country burning more coal. Is it me, or is anybody else picking up on a pattern in which governmental attempts at top-down market manipulation often end in either counterproductivity and/or disaster?

Via Politico:

But the coal industry and its supporters in Congress are sounding the alarm. They note that many of the older coal-fired power plants that have helped fill the gap this winter are due to shut down next year because of the Obama administration’s environmental rules.

“What happens … when that capacity is gone?” Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) asked this week at a gathering of utility regulators in Washington. “Maybe we won’t have cold periods like we’re seeing next year [and] we’ll be OK. But what kind of a policy is that? A hope and a prayer?”


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Does Obama care?

No..

He has a pen and a phone..

And he is using it to reserve golf dates..

And get his wife away from him

Electrongod on February 13, 2014 at 8:28 PM

“What kind of policy is that?”


Cloward-Piven
, you intentionally obtuse idjit!

PolAgnostic on February 13, 2014 at 8:29 PM

At jonova a comment by wes george puts Obama’s war on coal, AND our grid (with O’s dream of “skyrocketting electricity rates”), in perspective:

Imagine the total civil breakdown that would ensue if the electric grid failed for an extended period in Sydney or London…It’s worth noting that if a major city lost all electric supply in 1950, it wouldn’t have been catastrophic… Then ask yourself — why do we tolerate those in our polity who are working to weaken our already over-extended energy generating and delivery systems?

anotherJoe on February 13, 2014 at 8:34 PM

He’s warm and we pay for it, that’s all that matters.

Cindy Munford on February 13, 2014 at 8:35 PM

There’s a new book out called Game Plan, which says the 2008 crash was an act of terrorism. Anybody want to bet Jugears hasn’t read it?

platypus on February 13, 2014 at 8:37 PM

Me thinks one does not need to rely on a Cold Winter
as a reason WHY his coal policy sucks…

ToddPA on February 13, 2014 at 8:39 PM

My gas bill for last month was only $132, was expecting it to be much higher. Of course I did have frozen pipes twice. Like good old Ebeneezer I’m thrifty.

rbj on February 13, 2014 at 8:39 PM

It’s going to be one sweet day when we finally eliminate all production of fossil fuels in America … and, as all you earthist knuckledraggers are walking or bicycling to work from your caves, I get to whiz right past you on the way to pick up my gubmint check in my electric car.

Schadenfreude pure!

ShainS on February 13, 2014 at 8:41 PM

platypus on February 13, 2014 at 8:37 PM

I’ve heard something similar to that before and you have to admit that it was weird. I might have to invest in that book.

Cindy Munford on February 13, 2014 at 8:43 PM

Its a policy for Government big Green programs to be “Manhattan Project” developed. If we can set a man on the moon, with proper Government programs and a focused policy this “Great Nation” can once again lead the world in Green Energy. No longer will we be held hostage to the vagaries of icky, polluting, Gaea destroying fossil fuels. So sayeth Big Gov.

Gebirgsjager on February 13, 2014 at 8:43 PM

There’s a new book out called Game Plan, which says the 2008 crash was an act of terrorism. Anybody want to bet Jugears hasn’t read it?

platypus on February 13, 2014 at 8:37 PM

Read it?

It’s more likely that he had someone ghost-write it for him …

ShainS on February 13, 2014 at 8:44 PM

ShainS on February 13, 2014 at 8:41 PM

And just where do you think the fuel comes for the majority of our electricity?

Idjit.

Newtie and the Beauty on February 13, 2014 at 8:47 PM

There’s a new book out called Game Plan, which says the 2008 crash was an act of terrorism. Anybody want to bet Jugears hasn’t read it?

platypus on February 13, 2014 at 8:37 PM

I would be more likely to believe that everything since the 2008 crash was an act of terrorism.

kcewa on February 13, 2014 at 8:49 PM

He has a pen and a phone..

And he is using it to reserve golf dates..

And get his wife away from him

Electrongod on February 13, 2014 at 8:28 PM

c’mon – you’ve seen her, right..?

affenhauer on February 13, 2014 at 8:52 PM

Obama says what cold snap as checks to make sure the Oval Offices thermostat is set to 80 degrees.

RickB on February 13, 2014 at 8:52 PM

And just where do you think the fuel comes for the majority of our electricity?

Idjit.

Newtie and the Beauty on February 13, 2014 at 8:47 PM

Heh.

Sorry, thought a /sarc tag was unnecessary.

You did correctly identify my main point, which undoubtedly 95%-plus of the Leftards out there fail to comprehend …

ShainS on February 13, 2014 at 8:53 PM

There’s a new book out called Game Plan, which says the 2008 crash was an act of terrorism.
platypus on February 13, 2014 at 8:37 PM

Link please.

Google not helpful.

Bruno Strozek on February 13, 2014 at 8:54 PM

This winter’s cold snap is one reason why Obama’s coal regulations are not the best idea

…does JugEars have any good ideas?

KOOLAID2 on February 13, 2014 at 8:58 PM

ShainS on February 13, 2014 at 8:53 PM

The tip-off was “I get to whiz right past you on the way to pick up my gubmint check in my electric car,” wasn’t it. :o

Please forgive this lowly noob’s apparent lack of a BS detector ;-)

Newtie and the Beauty on February 13, 2014 at 8:58 PM

KOOLAID2 on February 13, 2014 at 8:58 PM

Um…not running in 2016? Does that count?

Newtie and the Beauty on February 13, 2014 at 8:59 PM

There’s a new book out called Game Plan, which says the 2008 crash was an act of terrorism.
platypus on February 13, 2014 at 8:37 PM

Link please.

Google not helpful.

Bruno Strozek on February 13, 2014 at 8:54 PM

Not sure about the book but here’s some info:

Did China or Jihadists try to bankrupt America? Pentagon report reveals financial terrorists may have triggered economic crash

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1361898/Pentagon-reveal-financial-terrorists-triggered-economic-crash.html#ixzz2tG2GRfgA
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

Financial terrorism suspected in 2008 economic crash

kcewa on February 13, 2014 at 9:00 PM

Isn’t it wonderful that all those former coal miners are no longer ‘job-locked’?

Now that they are living off the government dole, they can all get on with their sculpting, writing that first novel, or painting portraits of their fellow unemployed.

s1im on February 13, 2014 at 9:00 PM

ShainS on February 13, 2014 at 8:53 PM

My apologies, too, Shain, for the slur uttered in error toward you.

Newtie and the Beauty on February 13, 2014 at 9:02 PM

There’s a new book out called Game Plan, which says the 2008 crash was an act of terrorism.
platypus on February 13, 2014 at 8:37 PM

Link please.

Google not helpful.

Bruno Strozek on February 13, 2014 at 8:54 PM

Game Plan

kcewa on February 13, 2014 at 9:02 PM

Newtie and the Beauty on February 13, 2014 at 8:58 PM

LOL.

[Tip: Beware of Bishop: he's the master of that kind of "soft trolling" ...] ;-)

ShainS on February 13, 2014 at 9:03 PM

ShainS on February 13, 2014 at 9:03 PM

Aye, aye, Cap’n! :-D

Newtie and the Beauty on February 13, 2014 at 9:07 PM

OT:

Cindy Munford on February 13, 2014 at 8:43 PM

Bruno Strozek on February 13, 2014 at 8:54 PM

The book is called ‘Secret Weapon’ (by the author of Game Plan Kevin D. Freeman).

kcewa on February 13, 2014 at 9:08 PM

This winter’s cold snap is one reason why Obama’s coal regulations are not the best idea

…does JugEars have any good ideas?

KOOLAID2 on February 13, 2014 at 8:58 PM

He’ll put Bo on a treadmill to drive the generators. When Bo dies of exhaustion, JugEars will eat him.

Steve Z on February 13, 2014 at 9:09 PM

It’s all nonsense and a power-grab by EPA, which was expressly forbidden from any “fossil fuel” regulations by Congress, but managed to get the courts to allow them in the back door on “safety” regulation of CO2 – a naturally produced and recurring compound.

This is an out-of-control agency that is a big part of the regulations that are killing the economy. We need to clean house, top to bottom.

Adjoran on February 13, 2014 at 9:10 PM

Complacent Americans won’t care how many coal fired plants President Vendetta closes until they plug in their phones, computers and tablets and they won’t charge. Priorities after all are important. Americans are too stupid to know or care where most of their electricity comes from, until it’s too late (as with everything else).

AppraisHer on February 13, 2014 at 9:13 PM

“Energy prices would necessarily skyrocket.”

This is liberal compassion for the poor and elderly. Must be nice to never end up holding the knife when your constituents wind up stabbed in the back. What say you MSM?

antipc on February 13, 2014 at 9:14 PM

This is the same guy that runs the white house at 80F because you know he grew up in Hawaii.

He doesn’t give two sh*ts about the proles freezing or spending their life savings on surviving the coming ice age.

jukin3 on February 13, 2014 at 9:17 PM

Burn that coal………while you can.

PappyD61 on February 13, 2014 at 9:18 PM

We just had a coal-fired plant shut down because of these regulations. Where will we pick up the slack for energy not produced? Economics says, supply will decrease, prices will go up. People will suffer. All in the name of preventing global warming? How about people freezing in the winter?

LashRambo on February 13, 2014 at 9:19 PM

But what kind of a policy is that? A hope and a prayer?” – Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska)

.
Hey, Leese, does this sound familiar: “Hope and Change?” There’s no “praying” to it. It’s all “Hope the Jackass Party doesn’t raise prices (through regulation, trolls) enough to bankrupt me and kill me.”
.
Hope and Change, Ms. Write-In, Hope and Change….

ExpressoBold on February 13, 2014 at 9:32 PM

Even up here in the frozen north we’re seeing a major cost increase on utilities and most of our power generation isn’t even coal plants. His imperial majesty’s dictates are harming natural gas, fuel oil, hydroelectric, you name it.

I gotta admit to a bit of amusement though. Watching the news and seeing people in the south panicking over a couple inches of snow is kind of entertaining. When your used to -20′s and 3 feet of snow watching people freak out over a dusting makes your day.

Stragen_AK on February 13, 2014 at 9:38 PM

I’m kind of surprised to see Murkowski taking the opposite position of Obama though. Despite being an R in name she usually seems to back him. Hence why I voted for Miller. Oh well.

Stragen_AK on February 13, 2014 at 9:42 PM

Just do what the power company is doing up here. The regulations will shut down two coal fired plants, so just run a new distribution line in from out of state.

Shut down generating capacity, and just buy electricity from some other place. It’s a no brainer.

Joseph OHenry on February 13, 2014 at 9:45 PM

We just had a coal-fired plant shut down because of these regulations. Where will we pick up the slack for energy not produced? Economics says, supply will decrease, prices will go up. People will suffer. All in the name of preventing global warming? How about people freezing in the winter?

LashRambo on February 13, 2014 at 9:19 PM

Keep in mind that the deep-ecos think there are Just Too Damned Many People Oppressing Holy Mother Gaia. Most of their plans are either directly intended as “population control”, or have that end result.

People freezing to death due to lack of power for heat?

People starving in the Third World due to ethanol production using up food supplies?

People dying in automobile crashes because their new, “eco-friendly” vehicles are death traps in an impact?

Even people being killed by criminals because they have been disarmed in the name of “public safety”?

To the far-left radicals in general and the Neo-Luddites in particular, these are all features, not bugs.

Eugenics is alive and well. And they all want to be Khan Noonian Singh.

clear ether

eon

eon on February 13, 2014 at 9:50 PM

Just do what the power company is doing up here. The regulations will shut down two coal fired plants, so just run a new distribution line in from out of state.

Shut down generating capacity, and just buy electricity from some other place. It’s a no brainer.

Joseph OHenry on February 13, 2014 at 9:45 PM

Until the EPA shuts down those out of state power plants, too. Or the “other place” breaks down due to too much demand on a steadily-shrinking number of sources. Which is the EPA’s, and deep-ecos’, “endgame”.

Rather like Mrs. Thatcher’s Axiom about socialism (“The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money to spend on it”), the problem with “shifting” power demand to other sources is that sooner or later, those sources will be closed down too.

Because the Neo-Luddites don’t want ANY power generation, PERIOD!!

I thought everyone had figured that out by now.

clear ether

eon

eon on February 13, 2014 at 9:57 PM

Stragen_AK on February 13, 2014 at 9:38 PM

When it’s something you’re not used to seeing in your forecast, much less experiencing, yes, it’s a big deal.

I keep this picture of snow in Tampa, FL, in 1977 handy as a reminder that yes, it can and has happened this far south.

And if the hyperlink doesn’t work, here’s the link:

http://fcit.usf.edu/florida/photos/envirmnt/weather/0627.htm

Newtie and the Beauty on February 13, 2014 at 9:57 PM

Keep in mind that the deep-ecos think there are Just Too Damned Many People Oppressing Holy Mother Gaia. Most of their plans are either directly intended as “population control”, or have that end result.

eon on February 13, 2014 at 9:50 PM

I know. I agree. It’s helps to focus my mind to look at it this way — it’s the dead of winter, -10F let’s say, some poor soul has a bin full of coal … but they aren’t allowed to burn it, because it’s against the law. That’s the logical conclusion of this policy. That people will suffer. And as you point out … apparently, that’s the Left’s goal.

It’s Oliver Twist all over again … “Please, sir … may I have some coal? I’m cold!”.

LashRambo on February 13, 2014 at 9:58 PM

75 degrees out here in Ca. today.Had to turn on the friggin A/C for a while, getting a bit warm in the house and this is February?

jeffinsjvca on February 13, 2014 at 10:28 PM

“What happens … when that capacity is gone?” Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) asked this week at a gathering of utility regulators in Washington. “Maybe we won’t have cold periods like we’re seeing next year [and] we’ll be OK. But what kind of a policy is that? A hope and a prayer?”

Thousands and thousands of back-yard, deck, and garage generators running on diesel, propane, and gasoline. Shifty wiring, large scale storage of liquid fuels, and a “generator gap” between the rich and the poor. It’s all good!

slickwillie2001 on February 13, 2014 at 10:31 PM

Direct from Bloomslob: Capturing Carbon May Add 80% to Electric Costs

slickwillie2001 on February 13, 2014 at 10:34 PM

Let the carbonfuelophobics freeze in the dark.

lonestarleeroy on February 13, 2014 at 11:21 PM

But what kind of a policy is that? A hope and a prayer?”

Yeah, that “Hope and Change” didn’t work out so well, did it?

GarandFan on February 13, 2014 at 11:43 PM

Does this remind anyone else of San Francisco’s banning of water bottles, which will be badly needed next time there is a big earthquake?

Leftism really does suppose that we peasants should never try to actually prepare on our own for anything unexpected, be it natural disaster, cold winters, war, illness, or even early retirement.

There will always be someone else out there to take care of us…..

damage done on February 14, 2014 at 6:16 AM

“What happens … when that capacity is gone?” Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) asked this week at a gathering of utility regulators in Washington. “Maybe we won’t have cold periods like we’re seeing next year [and] we’ll be OK. But what kind of a policy is that? A hope and a prayer?”

1. The bureaucrats & their buddies won’t be hit by this, you can be sure.

2. People dying in the cold = fewer people means fewer carbon footprints = happy EPA & eco-loons.

Don’t forget, we are talking about the agency that liked making examples of enemies, (allegedly) Roman-style :P .

Teleros on February 14, 2014 at 7:50 AM

Isn’t it wonderful that all those former coal miners are no longer ‘job-locked’?

Now that they are living off the government dole, they can all get on with their sculpting, writing that first novel, or painting portraits of their fellow unemployed.

s1im on February 13, 2014 at 9:00 PM

That’s if they don’t freeze to death first, because they can’t afford to pay their “skyrocketing” electric bills.

75 degrees out here in Ca. today.Had to turn on the friggin A/C for a while, getting a bit warm in the house and this is February?

jeffinsjvca on February 13, 2014 at 10:28 PM

85 here today, and supposed to be 91 on Sunday.

AZCoyote on February 14, 2014 at 8:01 AM

Not to mention that decreasing coal demand artificially in the US is resulting in an increase in exports of US mined coal. We can’t buy the cheap coal because of Manbearpig, instead we are exporting it to countries whose use of coal is less efficient an results in higher emissions. There goes the environmental argument.

Of course to the green lobby the proper response would be to ban coal mining rather then allowing us to have cheaper energy and improve our standard of living. They also don’t want coal exports that would allow the 3rd world to reap the societal benefits that we have gained in the last 200 years.

They want the 3rd world to stay energy poor and live in squalor. Truly immoral.

airupthere on February 14, 2014 at 11:43 AM