Belgium passes right-to-die law — for children, with no age limit

posted at 4:41 pm on February 13, 2014 by Allahpundit

A little more grease on the slippery slope. They’ve packed the law with lots of conditions to raise the bar: Although there’s no age limit, the child needs to be capable of “discernment” of his condition; he needs to be not only in a state of unbearable suffering (the standard for adults) but terminally ill and close to death; he needs his parents’ approval; and even if all of those are met, he still needs to be approved by a team of doctors and psychologists. Given all the prerequisites, you might think they’d be better off sticking to ye olde “don’t euthanize kids” rule. The fact that they’re pushing ahead anyway makes me think this is essentially gestural. For whatever reason, the right to die is important enough to them that they want to be sure it’s on the books even for children. Even for eight-year-olds.

Problem one: How do you know the eight-year-old is telling you what he wants and not what his parents want?

Palliative nurse Sonja Develter, who specializes in end-of-life care for children, told CNN she is concerned that giving children a choice would mean they made decisions based on what they thought their families wanted to hear, and that it would be a terrible strain for children who may already feel they are a burden to their caregivers.

“In my experience as a nurse, I never had a child asking to end their life,” said Develter to Reuters. Problem two: Why grant children a right like this when, increasingly, medical technology is making it easier for the terminally ill to hang on?

While supporters in the medical profession say such euthanasia is likely to be applied only in a few cases a year, the paediatricians claimed it was not necessary. They said they had never faced such demands; palliative care was now so sophisticated they could “fully control the physical pain, choking, or anxiety as they approach death”.

They added that allowing euthanasia for children would create unbearable stress for carers and relatives.

Problem three: Why extend this right to children when the law typically deems people legally incapable of giving informed consent to anything until their late teens?

Brussels Archbishop Andre-Joseph Leonard, head of the Catholic Church in Belgium, asked at a prayer vigil last week why the state wanted to give minors such responsibility when they had to wait until 18 for many other legal rights.

“The law says adolescents cannot make important decisions on economic or emotional issues, but suddenly they’ve become able to decide that someone should make them die,” he said.

Euthanasia is typically justified as “death with dignity.” How many 10-year-olds could explain what that means?

Here’s CNN’s report on the bill. Fair warning: It’s difficult to watch in parts.


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Sad and sick.

22044 on February 13, 2014 at 4:43 PM

Obamacare on steroids!!

Deano1952 on February 13, 2014 at 4:44 PM

************* Children of the D*mned ************************!!

(And, yes,…I’m kidding)

canopfor on February 13, 2014 at 4:44 PM

Belgium now has post-birth abortion.

Othniel on February 13, 2014 at 4:44 PM

But by God, don’t kill a giraffe!

HumpBot Salvation on February 13, 2014 at 4:45 PM

You’re viewing this from the wrong end, AP. It’s not about children consenting to euthanasia, but clearing the decks for someday legalizing infanticide. The ghouls will agree with you about children being incapable of making an intelligent choice, so the next step will be to allow adults to murder children with impunity.

NotCoach on February 13, 2014 at 4:47 PM

Why grant children a right like this

Perhaps this was a slip of the old keyboard, but thinking like this is a big part of what’s wrong with our country right now.

This country’s founders believed in the natural rights of man. They completely rejected the idea that a government grants rights. Governments can only recognize rights that humans already have.

*dismounts soap box

yaedon on February 13, 2014 at 4:48 PM

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, ………………

In the Chamber of Representatives, 86 lawmakers voted in favor, 44 against and 12 abstained.

Most opposition parties supported it,

as well as the governing socialists and liberals.

One man in the public gallery shouted “murderers” in French when the vote was passed.

The Christian Democrats,

although members of Prime Minister Elio Di Rupo’s coalition, voted against.

Christian, Muslim and Jewish leaders denounced the law

ahead of the vote in a rare joint declaration

and Catholic bishops have led days of prayer and fasting against it.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/13/us-belgium-euthanasia-idUSBREA1C0UF20140213

canopfor on February 13, 2014 at 4:49 PM

There is incredible evil moving on the face of the earth these days.

Murphy9 on February 13, 2014 at 4:50 PM

*remounts soapbox

They also believed that some rights were inalienable (which means those rights could not be taken or given away). Among those is the right to life.

*dismounts soapbox again

yaedon on February 13, 2014 at 4:51 PM

Just plain evil.

DisneyFan on February 13, 2014 at 4:51 PM

It Takes a Village,

er,

It takes a Death Village!!

canopfor on February 13, 2014 at 4:52 PM

Belgium, like much of Europe, is simply removing its people to create living space for their new neighborly immigrants, a/k/a members of the religion of peace.

stopitchris on February 13, 2014 at 4:54 PM

There is incredible evil moving on the face of the earth these days.

Murphy9 on February 13, 2014 at 4:50 PM

This.

Deano1952 on February 13, 2014 at 4:55 PM

Right now we’re on job lock, but this can’t be more than a few years off here in America.

Murphy9 on February 13, 2014 at 4:56 PM

Although there’s no age limit, the child needs to be capable of “discernment” of his condition; he needs to be not only in a state of unbearable suffering (the standard for adults) but terminally ill and close to death; he needs his parents’ approval; and even if all of those are met, he still needs to be approved by a team of doctors and psychologists. Given all the prerequisites, you might think they’d be better off sticking to ye olde “don’t euthanize kids” rule.

Soon enough all those prerequisites will be whittled down.

Problem two: Why grant children a right like this when, increasingly, medical technology is making it easier for the terminally ill to hang on?

Hey, we have to keep our medical costs down, can’t be eating into Dear Liar’s entertainment budget.

rbj on February 13, 2014 at 4:57 PM

Most opposition parties supported it, as well as the governing socialists and liberals.

Well that speaks volumes.

tru2tx on February 13, 2014 at 4:57 PM

Monstrous…

OmahaConservative on February 13, 2014 at 4:58 PM

There is incredible evil moving on the face of the earth these days.

Murphy9 on February 13, 2014 at 4:50 PM

Murphy9: I agree, and especially since the last five years!:)

canopfor on February 13, 2014 at 4:59 PM

Awful. watching that mom in the video basically say she wants to kill her 10 month old is stomach-churning.

changer1701 on February 13, 2014 at 5:00 PM

Who says eugenics died with the Nazis?

nobar on February 13, 2014 at 5:01 PM

the next step will be to allow adults to murder children with impunity

Exactly. Gronigen protocol.

Vera on February 13, 2014 at 5:01 PM

Thuja, where for art thou?

Bishop on February 13, 2014 at 5:01 PM

Hey dumbass. When libfree can kill with words, get back to us. Moron.

lostmotherland on February 13, 2014 at 4:15 PM

Schadenfreude on February 13, 2014 at 5:02 PM

Right now we’re on job lock, but this can’t be more than a few years off here in America.

Murphy9 on February 13, 2014 at 4:56 PM

^^This

newarker on February 13, 2014 at 5:02 PM

In the nazi EU killing is not only for giraffes.

Schadenfreude on February 13, 2014 at 5:03 PM

Now they have death panels for all ages.

They had the other ones since almost forever.

Schadenfreude on February 13, 2014 at 5:04 PM

Awful. watching that mom in the video basically say she wants to kill her 10 month old is stomach-churning.

changer1701 on February 13, 2014 at 5:00 PM

I’m afraid to watch it…

OmahaConservative on February 13, 2014 at 5:05 PM

MAP:

Countries where euthanasia has been or is legal

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Euthanasia_and_the_Law.png
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Child euthanasia
*****************

Child euthanasia is a controversial form of euthanasia that is applied to children who are gravely ill or suffer from significant birth defects.

Eric Kodish and Daniel A Beals,[1] have compared child euthanasia to infanticide. Kodish says “the very notion that there is an “accepted medical standard” for infanticide calls for resistance in the form of civil disobedience”.[2] Others, such as Joseph Fletcher, founder of situational ethics and a euthanasia proponent, proposed that infanticide be permitted in cases of severe birth defects. Fletcher says that unlike the sort of infanticide perpetrated by very disturbed people, in such cases child euthanasia could be considered humane; a logical and acceptable extension of abortion.[3] American bioethicist Jacob M. Appel goes one step further, arguing that pediatric euthanasia may be ethical even in the absence of parental consent.[4] Biothicists Alberto Giubilini and Francesca Minerva argue that killing a newborn “should be permissible in all the cases where abortion is, including cases where the newborn is not disabled”.[5]

Belgium

On 13.02.2014, Belgium became the first country to allow child euthanasia without any age limit. [12]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_euthanasia
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Child euthanasia in Nazi Germany
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_euthanasia_in_Nazi_Germany

canopfor on February 13, 2014 at 5:05 PM

When we have terminally ill pets who are undergoing “unbearable suffering” and are “close to death,” we are compassionate enough to end their suffering in a humane way. I have watched loved ones die after prolonged and intense suffering, and I welcome this option for those who want it. Having seen the alternative, I would happily take advantage of it for myself when the time comes. I would never wish the hellish suffering I have witnessed on anyone.

Cara C on February 13, 2014 at 5:05 PM

We’ll have it here soon enough…without those pesky pre-reqs of course!

“Prerequisites? HA! Can’t they just issue an executive order and work around those?” – Obama

nextgen_repub on February 13, 2014 at 5:06 PM

Damned servers are still out of sync and the comments are appearing out of order. Can’t Salem fix this?

OmahaConservative on February 13, 2014 at 5:07 PM

From the video, question to the leftist Atheists – is it ok of the mother to tell the child that she’ll “go to God, forever, if euthanized”?

Schadenfreude on February 13, 2014 at 5:08 PM

Why not?
We’re only clumps of cells with no purpose, no intrinsic value (according to Darwinists).
The weak & sick are bad for the gene pool.
Off with their heads!

itsnotaboutme on February 13, 2014 at 5:10 PM

Euthanasia is typically justified as “death with dignity.” How many 10-year-olds could explain what that means?

…bluegill?

KOOLAID2 on February 13, 2014 at 5:14 PM

Why shouldn’t a child get the same consideration as an adult? Is a child’s suffering less? It’s disturbing that some want to force children to suffer, when they would allow an adult to release themselves. If the child is terminal, they child is dying anyway. Why force the child to suffer any longer – just to make your selves feel good? You are not doing the kid any favors, let me tell you. You are just patronizing your own belief system at the expense of another being.

And if you believe that the parents should have final say about their children, and not the state, that principle needs to be consistently applied, not just when it suits you on a particular issue, then rescinded when it doesn’t suit you on another issue.

HugoDrax on February 13, 2014 at 5:14 PM

OK, just watched the vid. Horrible evil…

OmahaConservative on February 13, 2014 at 5:14 PM

“Last week it was the dog and this week we are putting 6-year old Jimmy to sleep”.

albill on February 13, 2014 at 5:15 PM

Europe is lost. Worst than lost, really. It won’t be long before we see the re-emergence of true Naziism as a mass movement in the “West.”

You’re viewing this from the wrong end, AP. It’s not about children consenting to euthanasia, but clearing the decks for someday legalizing infanticide. The ghouls will agree with you about children being incapable of making an intelligent choice, so the next step will be to allow adults to murder children with impunity.

NotCoach on February 13, 2014 at 4:47 PM

Pretty much. The lawmakers have to know the law will be used by parents who want a pretext to kill their kids.

Doomberg on February 13, 2014 at 5:15 PM

That woman was only concerned for herself, you can see it in her eyes.

Not a parent.

MontanaMmmm on February 13, 2014 at 5:16 PM

Why do people have to get these horrible diseases like Huntingtons? I can’t take watching that poor 18 year old. Makes me sick. So frustrating that no one can do anything.

blatantblue on February 13, 2014 at 5:16 PM

Orphanage director to 7-year old girl:
“And when you die you go to heaven and you can have all the ice cream and video games you want! So is it okay if we let you go to heaven?”

7-year old girl: “Gosh, ice cream and video games!Sure, I want to go to heaven now!”

albill on February 13, 2014 at 5:18 PM

Given the left’s abortion-religion, I always wondered how soon we’d end up with post-birth abortion.

But there is the conundrum for the left, if the children belong to all of us, then we all need to have our say, how dare the parent decide what is best for their child. And the thought that there are parents who may feel death is the best option for their child; well that just terrifies me.

stopitchris on February 13, 2014 at 5:18 PM

Murdering children is a favorite pastime of “progressives”, the world over.

Pork-Chop on February 13, 2014 at 5:19 PM

Belgium: Parliament votes in favour of child euthanasia
Feb 13 2014
************
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6S1IM0tsy0

Belgium approves child euthanasia billBelgium: euthanasia for terminally ill children?Belgium Consid
Published on Feb 13, 2014
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Belgian parliament has approved a bill that will allow sick children under 18 to be euthanized. Diana Magnay reports.Two Senate committees in Belgium have voted and approved a proposal to introduce the right to grant…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HN16n6_ZJjA

canopfor on February 13, 2014 at 5:19 PM

I am just reminded of a communist doctor friend of my father, who believes that unborn children with serious health problems should be aborted, and this doctors rationale is that such children will not have to suffer in life, and that it will lessen the strain on health care providers precious resources, you know, what with the coming health rationing.

stopitchris on February 13, 2014 at 5:22 PM

There is incredible evil moving on the face of the earth these days.

Murphy9 on February 13, 2014 at 4:50 PM

Indeed; progressives and their policies.

xNavigator on February 13, 2014 at 5:23 PM

This is all about cutting healthcare costs for a terminally ill child. Why not just treat children like Marius, the surplus giraffe? Drug them and put a bullet between their eyes?

BTW, this is coming to Obamacare.

Happy Nomad on February 13, 2014 at 5:23 PM

Right now we’re on job lock, but this can’t be more than a few years off here in America.

Murphy9 on February 13, 2014 at 4:56 PM

I wonder if the IPAB realizes that they can’t use the term “Lifelock”, it’s already been copyrighted by an evil talk radio sponsor!

CycloneCDB on February 13, 2014 at 5:23 PM

Why do people have to get these horrible diseases like Huntingtons? I can’t take watching that poor 18 year old. Makes me sick. So frustrating that no one can do anything.

blatantblue on February 13, 2014 at 5:16 PM

Indeed.

changer1701 on February 13, 2014 at 5:25 PM

When we have terminally ill pets who are undergoing “unbearable suffering” and are “close to death,” we are compassionate enough to end their suffering in a humane way. I have watched loved ones die after prolonged and intense suffering, and I welcome this option for those who want it. Having seen the alternative, I would happily take advantage of it for myself when the time comes. I would never wish the hellish suffering I have witnessed on anyone.

Cara C on February 13, 2014 at 5:05 PM

OmahaConservative on February 13, 2014 at 5:27 PM

Sob.

There is incredible evil moving on the face of the earth these days.

Murphy9 on February 13, 2014 at 4:50 PM

Truly. The only thing I can think is that it means the enemy knows the time is short before Christ’s return. Which is a good thing, but it also means life may get more brutish before that advent.

theotherone on February 13, 2014 at 5:28 PM

And if you believe that the parents should have final say about their children, and not the state, that principle needs to be consistently applied, not just when it suits you on a particular issue, then rescinded when it doesn’t suit you on another issue.

HugoDrax on February 13, 2014 at 5:14 PM

Hey, that’s a good principle. Better yet, as long as someone is “suffering” (definition open to personal interpretation), why not absolve the interested parties altogether? Keep murder safe, private and in the family. Maybe Gerber can get in on it, like offer a line of toxic baby food. Organic Mashed Peas with Rat Poison.

You should win a prize.

somewhatconcerned on February 13, 2014 at 5:29 PM

When we have terminally ill pets who are undergoing “unbearable suffering” and are “close to death,” we are compassionate enough to end their suffering in a humane way. I have watched loved ones die after prolonged and intense suffering, and I welcome this option for those who want it. Having seen the alternative, I would happily take advantage of it for myself when the time comes. I would never wish the hellish suffering I have witnessed on anyone.

Cara C on February 13, 2014 at 5:05 PM

Human beings have a soul. Pets do not.

And there is a big difference between an adult making end-of-life choices and a child doing the same. This issue is completely different from right-to-die laws for adults and has nothing to do with ending the suffering of your favorite cocker spaniel.

Happy Nomad on February 13, 2014 at 5:35 PM

I can’t even begin to imagine what these families are going through, but even more incomprehensible to me is the thought of purposefully starving your own baby to death. It would haunt me with every bite of food I took. How do people get to a place like that?

ImmigrantsWife on February 13, 2014 at 5:37 PM

Human beings have a soul. Pets do not.

And there is a big difference between an adult making end-of-life choices and a child doing the same. This issue is completely different from right-to-die laws for adults and has nothing to do with ending the suffering of your favorite cocker spaniel.

Happy Nomad on February 13, 2014 at 5:35 PM

Thank you. I meant to type something along those lines when I accidentally posted her quote only. Then I went out for a smoke to think about my reply…

OmahaConservative on February 13, 2014 at 5:40 PM

Any age?

“dadadad mmmmy, goooo I want to die”

You heard that, right Gladys?
Yes Henry I heard that it was crystal clear.

“Get the needle”

MontanaMmmm on February 13, 2014 at 5:43 PM

Truly. The only thing I can think is that it means the enemy knows the time is short before Christ’s return. Which is a good thing, but it also means life may get more brutish before that advent.

theotherone on February 13, 2014 at 5:28 PM

“Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.” Matthew 10:28

Micah68 on February 13, 2014 at 5:51 PM

Safe, Legal, and Rare.

yongoro on February 13, 2014 at 6:01 PM

There is incredible evil moving on the face of the earth these days.

Murphy9 on February 13, 2014 at 4:50 PM

We let evil get its foot in the door with abortion; now it has the run of the house.

Ward Cleaver on February 13, 2014 at 6:03 PM

Human beings have a soul. Pets do not.

And there is a big difference between an adult making end-of-life choices and a child doing the same. This issue is completely different from right-to-die laws for adults and has nothing to do with ending the suffering of your favorite cocker spaniel.

Happy Nomad on February 13, 2014 at 5:35 PM

Animals have a temporal soul, that dies when the body dies. Humans have an immortal soul.

We have two dogs, and we love them, but, sorry, no dogs go to heaven.

Ward Cleaver on February 13, 2014 at 6:06 PM

A liberals’ wet dream.

CWchangedhisNicagain on February 13, 2014 at 6:07 PM

We can kill you from conception on.
/

Liberal world is whacked.

CWchangedhisNicagain on February 13, 2014 at 6:09 PM

I can’t even begin to imagine what these families are going through, but even more incomprehensible to me is the thought of purposefully starving your own baby to death. It would haunt me with every bite of food I took. How do people get to a place like that?

ImmigrantsWife on February 13, 2014 at 5:37 PM

My brother’s family includes a child who will never be able to care for herself. She’s almost two and still can’t walk. They are unsure how much she can see. And she has no verbal skills at all.

Liberals would say- kill the child! Like some sort of judge, jury, and executioner. My brother and his family disagrees.

Happy Nomad on February 13, 2014 at 6:12 PM

We can kill you from conception on.
/

CWchangedhisNicagain on February 13, 2014 at 6:09 PM

You need to remember something here.

One of the architects of Obamacare is Rahm Emanuel’s brother. He is an advocate for the idea that there should be some sort of a grace period after birth where killing the child is still legal. Presumably this is in order to kill kids who have medical issues but why not kill the kid because of the wrong gender or other such “reason.”

I only post this to make it clear just what kind of monsters are making our public policy decisions concerning healthcare these days.

Happy Nomad on February 13, 2014 at 6:22 PM

They can’t drive, drink, marry, but they can choose to die…who thinks like this?

I know, only a liberal mind could be so warped…

right2bright on February 13, 2014 at 6:24 PM

Can’t bring myself to watch the video.

cat_owner on February 13, 2014 at 6:33 PM

Gah, page reloaded & ate my post :( . Well, TL;DR version then…

1. Given the state that the children have to be in for this law, this seems a humane response.

2. Would a Christian God really not forgive the parents & doctors if they went along with this? I admit to being agnostic, but I’m pretty sure God was supposed to be loving & forgiving.

3. This way is surely better than, for example, starving a terminally ill child or baby to death because a morphine OD would be illegal. This way at least it’s a quick and relatively painless end.

4. I doubt it’ll lead to legalised infanticide etc, whatever some people may say: “think of the children” is too useful a battle cry for the left.

In the mean time I’m going to hope that, sooner rather than later, scientists figure out ways to ensure that we no longer need such laws on the statute books – anywhere.

Teleros on February 13, 2014 at 6:37 PM

But…..giraffes!!!???

WryTrvllr on February 13, 2014 at 6:49 PM

Oh of course, killing giraffes is just beyond the Pale.

Yeah, I’m going to go with Delingpole on that one:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100259000/watching-lions-eat-a-giraffe-is-a-family-day-out/

Teleros on February 13, 2014 at 6:52 PM

Die, Belgium, die!

Mason on February 13, 2014 at 6:56 PM

People laughed atthe giraffe story, but they were conditioning children for this.

ezspirit on February 13, 2014 at 7:02 PM

People laughed atthe giraffe story, but they were conditioning children for this.

ezspirit on February 13, 2014 at 7:02 PM

Well I never: apparently Belgium & Denmark are the same country. Also, does this mean teaching kids to hunt is conditioning them for it as well, or just to wage imperialistic wars for oil at the behest of our corporate masters :P ?

Seriously, I can understand & respect moral arguments against this policy, but this (and moreso Mason’s comment just prior to yours) is just echo chamber drivel. How about a little more thinking and a little less hot-headedness?

Teleros on February 13, 2014 at 7:24 PM

How about a little more thinking and a little less hot-headedness?

Teleros on February 13, 2014 at 7:24 PM

And your thinking supports murder.

Now that we know who and what you are….continue.

CWchangedhisNicagain on February 13, 2014 at 7:40 PM

Oh of course, killing giraffes is just beyond the Pale.
….

Teleros on February 13, 2014 at 6:52 PM

You’re killing me. Kill your kid but don’t expect me to sanction it.. and be ready for the consequences.

I bet you’ve already aborted a kid or two.

CWchangedhisNicagain on February 13, 2014 at 7:44 PM

Well I never: apparently Belgium & Denmark are the same country. Also, does this mean teaching kids to hunt is conditioning them for it as well, or just to wage imperialistic wars for oil at the behest of our corporate masters :P ?

Seriously, I can understand & respect moral arguments against this policy, but this (and moreso Mason’s comment just prior to yours) is just echo chamber drivel. How about a little more thinking and a little less hot-headedness?

Teleros on February 13, 2014 at 7:24 PM

One fallacy filled argument after another.

For one, where did the poster say it was the same country?

CWchangedhisNicagain on February 13, 2014 at 7:46 PM

Happy Nomad,
God bless your brother and his family. I’m sure their life isn’t easy at all, and there are times when they feel the stress of the situation. The fact that they still are taking care of their child shows how much they love and cherish her. I’m sad for the little baby in the video; it doesn’t seem to be the case for her. I wish everyone could see the gift that God gives us in every child.

Europe is sliding farther and farther away from Christianity. This article highlights the ignorance of those who say America should be more like Europe. No. Thanks.

ImmigrantsWife on February 13, 2014 at 8:04 PM

But by God, don’t kill a giraffe!

HumpBot Salvation on February 13, 2014 at 4:45 PM

Right. Or…maybe we shouldn’t kill giraffes or ten-year-old children. There.

There just is no more respect for life anymore. Such respect is seen as an outdated relic from the Dark Ages. “Quality of life” is the hip thing now. It makes me ill.

bmmg39 on February 13, 2014 at 8:23 PM

Who says eugenics died with the Nazis?

nobar on February 13, 2014 at 5:01 PM

Nobody I know. Eugenics was enshrined in unwritten law in the U.S. in 1973.

This nation and her people have no place to decry the horrors of this European law while abortion remains legal. The personhood of the individual is determined long before birth, this has been proven over and over. If you can shed a tear for the 10-month-old but shrug your shoulders over the unborn, you have been properly indoctrinated by the State, and you should take a very long look in the mirror, very soon.

Freelancer on February 13, 2014 at 8:44 PM

Belgium is cool!

thuja on February 13, 2014 at 9:05 PM

Belgium is cool!

thuja on February 13, 2014 at 9:05 PM

Monster…

OmahaConservative on February 13, 2014 at 9:10 PM

Belgium is cool!

thuja on February 13, 2014 at 9:05 PM

Did you call your mom and thank her today.

RickB on February 13, 2014 at 9:46 PM

Belgium is cool!

thuja on February 13, 2014 at 9:05 PM/blockquote>

Either trolling, or you are in fact the monster most people believe you are.

nobar on February 13, 2014 at 9:47 PM

Belgium is cool!

thuja on February 13, 2014 at 9:05 PM/blockquote>

Either trolling, or you are in fact the monster most people believe you are.

nobar on February 13, 2014 at 9:47 PM

It is rather strange to call me a monster when I’m not the one who voted for this in Belgian. It passed with 86 MPs voting in favor, 44 against, and 12 abstentions. Obviously, the people in Belgium wouldn’t consider me a monster, and so I’m not sure the opinions of what “most people” should concern me on this issue.

thuja on February 13, 2014 at 10:50 PM

There is incredible evil moving on the face of the earth these days.

Murphy9 on February 13, 2014 at 4:50 PM

.
Not tryin’ to demean you or your point, but the “incredible evil moving on the face of the earth”, has been here since Adam rejected the commandment of God.

Some would claim it was worse for Europe back before and during WWII.

But as to your point, yes, this law is sooo obviously going to lead to “a DUTY to die”, for the good of the ‘collective’.

Totally unreasonable, and unacceptable.

listens2glenn on February 13, 2014 at 11:00 PM

Belgium is cool!

thuja on February 13, 2014 at 9:05 PM/blockquote>
.

Either trolling, or you are in fact the monster most people believe you are.

nobar on February 13, 2014 at 9:47 PM

.
It is rather strange to call me a monster when I’m not the one who voted for this in Belgianum. It passed with 86 MPs voting in favor, 44 against, and 12 abstentions. Obviously, the people in Belgium wouldn’t consider me a monster, and so I’m not sure the opinions of what “most people” should concern me on this issue.

thuja on February 13, 2014 at 10:50 PM

.
What any people … anywhere … would or would not agree with be DAMNED.

The absolute EVIL that is represented by this vote is “self-evident.
There’s NO excuse for having any of that kind of philosophy/ideology in your heart and soul. None.
Not even a ‘little-bitty, wee-dab’.

listens2glenn on February 13, 2014 at 11:08 PM

It is rather strange to call me a monster when I’m not the one who voted for this in Belgian. It passed with 86 MPs voting in favor, 44 against, and 12 abstentions. Obviously, the people in Belgium wouldn’t consider me a monster, and so I’m not sure the opinions of what “most people” should concern me on this issue.

thuja on February 13, 2014 at 10:50 PM

You just share their values. Clearly, you are indeed the monster that HA commenters considers you to be.

nobar on February 13, 2014 at 11:09 PM

Either trolling, or you are in fact the monster most people believe you are.

nobar on February 13, 2014 at 9:47 PM

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Oops . . . I meant to address this, nobar, and forgot.

The correct answer is “yes”.

listens2glenn on February 13, 2014 at 11:12 PM

Animals have a temporal soul, that dies when the body dies. Humans have an immortal soul.

We have two dogs, and we love them, but, sorry, no dogs go to heaven.

Ward Cleaver on February 13, 2014 at 6:06 PM

Which part of Scripture did that come from? Just asking.

unclesmrgol on February 14, 2014 at 1:09 AM

And your thinking supports murder.

Now that we know who and what you are….continue.

CWchangedhisNicagain on February 13, 2014 at 7:40 PM

I support mercy killings in some situations. If consider that unlawful (ie, murder) – fine. There’s certainly a debate to be had there, and believe me I’m quite sympathetic to your position. I’d love a world with no abortions or mercy killings – not becaues we outlaw them on moral grounds, but because we no longer need them (think artificial wombs, gene therapy & such).

You’re killing me. Kill your kid but don’t expect me to sanction it.. and be ready for the consequences.

I bet you’ve already aborted a kid or two.

CWchangedhisNicagain on February 13, 2014 at 7:44 PM

1. I thought the /sarc tag wasn’t needed, given the rest of that post of mine (ie, a link to a James Delingpole blog post stating he’d consider the giraffe killing a day out for his kids :P ).

2. No.

Also… how about fewer ad homs being slung around? Name-calling seems so childish, and, well, more suited to the moonbats at the Daily Kos, frankly.

+ + +

Finally, stop feeding Thuja’s trolling.

Teleros on February 14, 2014 at 7:44 AM

Evil.

Hannibal on February 14, 2014 at 11:07 AM

I can’t even begin to imagine what these families are going through, but even more incomprehensible to me is the thought of purposefully starving your own baby to death. It would haunt me with every bite of food I took. How do people get to a place like that?

ImmigrantsWife on February 13, 2014 at 5:37 PM

Lord, please bless me that I will never “get to a place like that” nor see life(and more appropriately, death) as progressives see it.

This world is insane.

Sterling Holobyte on February 14, 2014 at 11:40 AM

But by God, don’t kill a giraffe!

HumpBot Salvation on February 13, 2014 at 4:45 PM

I know, right?!
The people who support this are the same types who go nuts over the giraffe being killed.

Like I said, this world is insane.

Sterling Holobyte on February 14, 2014 at 11:43 AM

Why grant children a right like this when, increasingly, medical technology is making it easier for the terminally ill to hang on?

Stab in the dark….broke European governments are looking for ways to cut costs and since all health care is paid for by the government over there……how much is one life really worth, anyway?

Of course they can’t actually say that out loud.

LukeinNE on February 14, 2014 at 11:48 AM

Such a law is already in practice in the Netherlands, with only difference that between age 1 and 12 aren’t defined yet but soon will be. The next step in the works is euthanasia for mentally handicapped, such as Alzheimer or other senile conditions in case they made their will known before becoming unable to have proper judgment.

petrossa on February 15, 2014 at 5:31 AM

You know people in the old days had SEVERAL kids and didn’t have the financial resources we have now……and may I suggest we are much happier than our modern society. What was the suicide rate in the 1950s?

terryannonline on September 24, 2014 at 11:28 PM