Senate overcomes filibuster on clean debt-ceiling hike — with a dozen Republican votes

posted at 4:01 pm on February 12, 2014 by Allahpundit

Ted Cruz vowed yesterday that he’d object if Reid tried to make this easy for Republicans by passing the bill with a simple majority voice vote. Sixty votes or bust, said Cruz, just like it is for cloture on any other bill. Make everyone stand up and be counted. And so the suspense mounted: Could Mitch McConnell find five Republicans willing to join 55 Democrats in breaking a filibuster of a clean debt-ceiling hike?

He found 12. One of whom is named “Mitch McConnell.”

That’s the cloture vote. The vote on the final bill itself, which was academic once the filibuster was defeated, went strict party-line at 55-43. In other words, every one of the 12 who helped Democrats advance a clean debt-ceiling hike turned around and voted no on the meaningless final vote to provide themselves with a fig leaf once conservatives start attacking them as sellouts.

Republicans are, as usual, mad at Cruz:

Senate Republicans — unwilling to default on the nation’s debt but hoping to avoid voting for any debt ceiling increase — seethed at Mr. Cruz’s move, which many said was purely political and which forced them to scramble to produce at least five votes to end debate and move on to a final vote.

Senator John Hoeven, Republican of North Dakota, simply smiled when asked if he was annoyed with Mr. Cruz’s filibuster threat. “We’re working to see what we can put together, but I don’t know yet how it’s going to go,” he said.

Explain something to me: Why did McConnell and Cornyn vote yes? I realize it’s tradition for the leadership to step up and jump off the cliff on a tough vote like this (Boehner, Cantor, McCarthy, and Issa all voted for yesterday’s debt-ceiling hike in the House), but they didn’t need to set an example to get reliable squishes like Collins, Kirk, and Murkowski to cross the aisle. McCain, I’m sure, relished sticking it to Cruz by helping to beat his filibuster and called McConnell “very courageous” afterward for taking the plunge with them. But that’s my point — doubtless all 12 Republican yeses on cloture today would prefer to have Mitch McConnell back in the Senate next year than see him replaced by Matt Bevin. Why not give him and Cornyn, who’s also up for reelection, a pass on this one? Or maybe they did and McConnell and Cornyn decided that they were duty bound to vote yes anyway. Oh well. Easy lay-up for Team Bevin’s press shop.


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Bmore on February 12, 2014 at 5:12 PM

Why so hostile? Hate is a pretty strong word.

LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 5:09 PM

For the people who are saddling me, my children, my grandchildren, etc., with debt that will have to be paid with their sweat, “hate” is an understatement. Whey even have a ceiling at all if it summarily raised whenever needed?

NY2SC on February 12, 2014 at 5:13 PM

OT: I wonder if Ray Nagin will take one of those school buses to prison..?

d1carter on February 12, 2014 at 4:51 PM

Oh! Wouldn’t that be fitting. I was living in New Orleans when he left office. I simply don’t understand why it has taken this many years to finally nail the bastard for what was clear then. Nevertheless 20 out of 21 guilty verdicts means some serious time chatting it up with Kwame Kilpatrick and Willam Jefferson.

Happy Nomad on February 12, 2014 at 5:13 PM

You RINOs are going to be one very sorry lot in November when the GOP loses the House and fails to retake the Senate.Because then the GOP will be finished as a legitimate opposition party and will be irrelevant.With a new Conservative Party in place all you RINOs will run to the Democrat Socialist Progressive Pigs where you belong.And guess who is going to destroy you? Millions of conservatives who won’t show up at all in November.Fed up!

redware on February 12, 2014 at 5:14 PM

OT: I wonder if Ray Nagin will take one of those school buses to prison..?

d1carter on February 12, 2014 at 4:51 PM

Nagin’s prison will be CHOCOLATE by the end of the day.

Bishop on February 12, 2014 at 5:15 PM

Harry Reid.

Charlemagne on February 12, 2014 at 4:06 PM

Gonna have to do better than that. I honestly do not believe the last two years would have produced any different results if Mitch McConnell had been running the Senate than what we have seen under Harry Reid. Oh, sure, there might have been a few symbolic votes to try and keep the base happy. But as to actual legislative accomplishments that advance the conservative agenda, or even slow the liberal agenda? No, I seriously do not believe there would have been one single difference. Not one.

Shump on February 12, 2014 at 5:16 PM

Oh well. Easy lay-up for Team Bevin’s press shop.

It might be an easy lay-up for his press shop but he’s down 20-25 points in the polls and showing no sign of a surge at all. A lot of folks here in KY, including R’s, don’t know he is or are ambivalent about him. Its nothing like the political atmosphere you had in 2012 when Rand Paul won the primary.

shubalstearns on February 12, 2014 at 5:18 PM

Parroting popular slogans is not a viable election strategy.

Johnnyreb on February 12, 2014 at 4:58 PM

What? Obama ran the Bob the Builder slogan to 8 years in the White House.

besser tot als rot on February 12, 2014 at 5:19 PM

Its nothing like the political atmosphere you had in 2012 when Rand Paul won the primary.

Sorry, I meant 2010.

shubalstearns on February 12, 2014 at 5:19 PM

Hence McConnell and Boehner have now quit on the base. The era of using Debt ceiling as a hostage is OVER.

RIP: Debt Ceiling Hostage Taking Tactic 2011-2014.

Might_Is_Right on February 12, 2014 at 4:31 PM

Yeah… RIP… until a Republican President comes along and a Democrat Congress (even one controlling only the House) shows how the game is played. Not only will they allow a default, if ever that was possible, but they would call any Republican bluff until their massive wish list is acceded to.

And guess what…

We would have the RINOs once again asking us to capitulate because we do not have all of Congress under our control.

Losers will be losers unless they are kicked out.

TheRightMan on February 12, 2014 at 5:21 PM

In other words, every one of the 12 who helped Democrats advance a clean debt-ceiling hike turned around and voted no on the meaningless final vote to provide themselves with a fig leaf once conservatives start attacking them as sellouts.

Too late. They’re sellouts.

sadatoni on February 12, 2014 at 5:23 PM

VOTE CORNYN OUT.

He’s running ads boosting how he’s a no nonsense conservative
bucking Obama’s radical agenda.

Bull$hit. He’s a back stabbing rino again voting with the libs.

He needs to go bye bye in November.

Texyank on February 12, 2014 at 5:25 PM

Yeah… RIP… until a Republican President comes along and a Democrat Congress (even one controlling only the House) shows how the game is played. Not only will they allow a default, if ever that was possible, but they would call any Republican bluff until their massive wish list is acceded to.

And guess what…

We would have the RINOs once again asking us to capitulate because we do not have all of Congress under our control.

Losers will be losers unless they are kicked out.

TheRightMan on February 12, 2014 at 5:21 PM

This has been my point all day. Well said.

I’m going to start calling them the ChamberlainRepublicans.

Left_is_Wrong on February 12, 2014 at 5:25 PM

John Cornyn’s ads are playing on the radio right now. He’s got a slow drawl like John Wayne. Lol, I’ve seen him interviewed and he really hams out that Tex’n for radio. He’s not going anywhere and as most people who know Texas politics remind us, if Kay Bailey hasn’t withdrawn Ted Cruz wouldn’t have displaced her. Texans may dislike Wendy Davis but they do not dislike their Republican Senators who veer RINO enough to fire them. And I heard Mark Davis give this speech and I wholeheartedly agree.

Marcus on February 12, 2014 at 5:25 PM

So we continue ad infinitum? With this premise we never challenge a logic destined for ruin.

Further I reject the premise that O’Bama has convinced the country of anything. I believe that in 2014 many of these RINO’s will be thrown out precisely because O’Bama has convinced the country that he is trying to ruin our debt.
***
Starlink on February 12, 2014 at 4:28 PM

If you really want to balance the budget, you can’t just shout “we have a spending problem, not a taxing problem!” from the rafters and demand arbitrary cuts to discretionary spending. You must make structural reforms to government–e.g., entitlement reform, welfare reform, and now, health care reform. And to do that, you need to build public support, which cannot be done in the absence of a plan and a sustained marketing campaign, and certainly can’t be done in the toxic atmosphere of a “showdown at the OK corral” over a debt ceiling hike or government shutdown.

Outlander on February 12, 2014 at 5:27 PM

Marcus on February 12, 2014 at 5:25 PM

Yup, He’s a stinkin rino.

Texyank on February 12, 2014 at 5:27 PM

Left_is_Wrong on February 12, 2014 at 5:25 PM

D’oh, sorry forgot to add the end quote there.

Left_is_Wrong on February 12, 2014 at 5:27 PM

Perhaps this will anger conservatives so much they primary established GOP candidates and replace them with former witches and people who claim women can’t get pregnant from rape.

Then said candidates can march towards the general election where there craziness is front and center and…..WHOOPS! So much for taking the Senate!

LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 5:27 PM

The leadership of the GOP just want these next three years to go away. Just get over with it.

The GOP leadership believes that in three years Obama will be gone, and someone else will be president, and all the regular rules for politics come back, and everything will be just like it was before Obama.

In three years there will be a Republican President, the democrats will control congress, and it will be like it was with Bush the Younger. That’s the goal of the GOP leadership.

Joseph OHenry on February 12, 2014 at 5:27 PM

Rand sure flushed out McConnell for the SOB traitor Mitch is.

All that pretending and claiming by McConnell to be anything resembling conservative or fiscal responsibility is gone.

I agree that even had Mitch the Bi(a)tch been senate majority leader that he would have accomplished anything constructive. The turtle would be caving just the same. May Kentucky be wise enough to primary the mendacious SOB.

viking01 on February 12, 2014 at 5:29 PM

Texans may dislike Wendy Davis but they do not dislike their Republican Senators who veer RINO enough to fire them. And I heard Mark Davis give this speech and I wholeheartedly agree.

Marcus on February 12, 2014 at 5:25 PM

We have the same type situation in KY. They don’t dislike Mitch enough to fire him.

shubalstearns on February 12, 2014 at 5:30 PM

s/b would not have. Mitch sells out again.

viking01 on February 12, 2014 at 5:30 PM

LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 5:09 PM

You’ll be alright.

Cindy Munford on February 12, 2014 at 5:33 PM

Perhaps this will anger conservatives so much they primary established GOP candidates and replace them with former witches and people who claim women can’t get pregnant from rape.

Then said candidates can march towards the general election where there craziness is front and center and…..WHOOPS! So much for taking the Senate!

LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 5:27 PM

This is the 21st century, ding dong, we want people with more zest and verve.

I’m thinking along the lines of someone who believes islands can tip over, that we landed a man on Mars, or maybe just a black dude who is really clean and articulate.

Bishop on February 12, 2014 at 5:36 PM

GOP Senators voting to break filibuster:
Barrasso
Collins
Corker
Cornyn
Flake
Johanns(retiring)
Hatch
Kirk
McCain
McConnell
Murkowski
Thune

Oh man these Senators will hate President Ted Cruz….
The irony is – these wankers would rather vote with the democrats
then support a President Cruz……hell I don’t know at this
point if the Republicans did control the Senate – if they would repeal ObamaCare.
It is apparent that these Senators really don’t give a shit about the American people.

redguy on February 12, 2014 at 5:39 PM

Texans may dislike Wendy Davis but they do not dislike their Republican Senators who veer RINO enough to fire them. And I heard Mark Davis give this speech and I wholeheartedly agree.

Marcus on February 12, 2014 at 5:25 PM

Oh no, I am working on giving Cornball a retirement party……

redguy on February 12, 2014 at 5:40 PM

Yeah… RIP… until a Republican President comes along and a Democrat Congress (even one controlling only the House) shows how the game is played. Not only will they allow a default, if ever that was possible, but they would call any Republican bluff until their massive wish list is acceded to.

And guess what…

We would have the RINOs once again asking us to capitulate because we do not have all of Congress under our control.

Losers will be losers unless they are kicked out.

TheRightMan on February 12, 2014 at 5:21 PM

Exactly. If we ever have a Republican president again (big if) and the Dems only control one house of congress they are going to put on a clinic as to how the game is played. Granted it is easier to talk tough when you have the whole of the MSM in your back pocket but they would fight even if they didn’t. I’ve said it before–I admire everything about the Democrats except their policies.

Kataklysmic on February 12, 2014 at 5:41 PM

We have the same type situation in KY. They don’t dislike Mitch enough to fire him.

shubalstearns on February 12, 2014 at 5:30 PM

Let me guess… you are on McConnell’s team, right?

Face it… McConnell is toast either way. He either loses in the primary or in the general election.

If you have his ear, better tell him to take his cues and resign.

TheRightMan on February 12, 2014 at 5:42 PM

Yeah… RIP… until a Republican President comes along and a Democrat Congress (even one controlling only the House) shows how the game is played. Not only will they allow a default, if ever that was possible, but they would call any Republican bluff until their massive wish list is acceded to.

And guess what…

We would have the RINOs once again asking us to capitulate because we do not have all of Congress under our control.

Losers will be losers unless they are kicked out.

TheRightMan on February 12, 2014 at 5:21 PM

So … you’re telling me that we have a chance! (To stop the growth of the debt that is.)

besser tot als rot on February 12, 2014 at 5:43 PM

I love the smell of Republicans caving in the afternoon.

LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 5:45 PM

F.I.

Let. It. Burn.

Franklin100 on February 12, 2014 at 5:46 PM

Lets face it, this country is done. Unchecked under both Republican and Democrat administrations:

Spending

Borrowing

Debt

Welfare Benefits

Illegal Immigration

Tax Hikes

Soap Box? Fail

Ballot Box? Fail

Final Solution? Hint, the second amendment may somehow be involved.

Exninja on February 12, 2014 at 5:51 PM

I see Linsey Graham is pretending to be a conservative right now. He must be up for re-election.;-) His name was not amongst the 12 RINOs voting to break the filibuster….

champagnesandy on February 12, 2014 at 5:52 PM

We have the same type situation in KY. They don’t dislike Mitch enough to fire him.

shubalstearns on February 12, 2014 at 5:30 PM

Let me guess… you are on McConnell’s team, right?

Face it… McConnell is toast either way. He either loses in the primary or in the general election.

If you have his ear, better tell him to take his cues and resign.

TheRightMan on February 12, 2014 at 5:42 PM

I’m not on anybody’s team. I was merely pointing out that the people here don’t dislike Mitch enough to fire him. When Rand won the primary it was mainly due to having retiring Senator Jim Bunning promote him with conservatives in the state. The primary voters believed that Mitch snubbed Bunning so they refused to vote for Mitch’s choice: Trey Grayson. The GOP primary voters in KY won’t throw a sitting Republican senator out.

shubalstearns on February 12, 2014 at 5:56 PM

How come conservatives talk a big game but barely even show up to play anymore?

Why are conservatives terrified of Obama to the point they can’t even follow through with their threats?

Why are conservatives’ spines made out of Jell-O? I thought liberals were supposed to be the weak ones?

LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 6:00 PM

TheRightMan on February 12, 2014 at 5:42 PM

The same is true for Congress. Hal Rogers is a RINO for sure but he keeps getting re-elected here. I cannot think of one Republican senator or Representative from KY that was primaried out of office in the last 40 years.

shubalstearns on February 12, 2014 at 6:00 PM

Oh no, I am working on giving Cornball a retirement party……

redguy on February 12, 2014 at 5:40 PM

I’m right there with you! Unfortunately, Stockman is no Cruz but I’ll vote for him in the primary just to give Cornyn a swift kick in the arse! POS

texgal on February 12, 2014 at 6:02 PM

Forget McConnell. How about Tea Party and Sarah Palin favorite Orin Hatch? Why did he vote yes?

Someone needs to primary this guy…oh wait!

Joseph K on February 12, 2014 at 6:04 PM

How come conservatives talk a big game but barely even show up to play anymore?

Why are conservatives terrified of Obama to the point they can’t even follow through with their threats?

Why are conservatives’ spines made out of Jell-O? I thought liberals were supposed to be the weak ones?

LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 6:00 PM

Your confusing “Republican” with “conservative”. Swap out your use of those terms and we have the same questions.

PS. Why do you care? You should be throwing a party. Unless you’re just trolling in which case carry on.

Kataklysmic on February 12, 2014 at 6:09 PM

Perhaps this will anger conservatives so much they primary established GOP candidates and replace them with former witches and people who claim women can’t get pregnant from rape.

Then said candidates can march towards the general election where there craziness is front and center and…..WHOOPS! So much for taking the Senate!

The anti-middle class wing of the Republican party is as fringe as the former witches and fundamental Christians you mention. In fact, since these chamber of congress types have more power, you can say they cost the party even more than an eccentric candidate here and there.

The billionaire financier Mitt Romney and his equally moderate side kick Paul Ryan lost a winnable election because they were seen to serve the special interests of the business community. Once these people are thrown under the bus it will be time to get candidates who represent our interests and can win more voters.

FrankT on February 12, 2014 at 6:09 PM

And Rand Paul endorsed McConnell? Hmmm.

redware on February 12, 2014 at 6:18 PM

Just got home from the gym.
Cornyn-you worthless piece off ^&*&^%$!

annoyinglittletwerp on February 12, 2014 at 6:20 PM

Vote for Dwayne Stovall in the TX Primary March 4.

elowe on February 12, 2014 at 4:20 PM

I am!

annoyinglittletwerp on February 12, 2014 at 6:23 PM

Tell me again why we need to keep supporthing these jackasses.

dverplank on February 12, 2014 at 6:36 PM

And Rand Paul endorsed McConnell? Hmmm.

redware on February 12, 2014 at 6:18 PM

He could change that, of course.

Mitch the Bi(a)tch sold out again….

viking01 on February 12, 2014 at 6:37 PM

Tell me again why we need to keep supporthing these jackasses.

dverplank on February 12, 2014 at 6:36 PM

For the Party, citizen.

The demorats have been doing this for decades, do you want them to have all the glory?

Bishop on February 12, 2014 at 6:39 PM

The GOPe Chamberlain Republicans just gave Obama a shiny new credit card from the Bank of China in the names of your great, great, great, great, great, great grandchildren with no limit.

But that’s all good. Just shut up and keep voting for the G.O.statusquoP.

Because that’ll make a difference!

Left_is_Wrong on February 12, 2014 at 6:41 PM

I cannot think of one Republican senator or Representative from KY that was primaried out of office in the last 40 years.

shubalstearns on February 12, 2014 at 6:00 PM

My current Rep in TN primaried the sitting GOP at the time. Not so lucky with our Senators. Alexander, who is up for re-election in the mid-terms voted no on both votes. Corker, you just bought his re-election in 2012, voted for cloture, then against the bill.

I can’t stand him.

ladyingray on February 12, 2014 at 6:44 PM

Just got home from the gym.
Cornyn-you worthless piece off ^&*&^%$!

annoyinglittletwerp on February 12, 2014 at 6:20 PM

Language! ;0

That being said, you just know that Cornyn is the belle of the ball at the country club tonight.

Happy Nomad on February 12, 2014 at 6:55 PM

Corker was on the tube tonight blasting the UAW/Obamistas for their attempt to take over the VW plan in Chattanooga. And then he turns around and gives Barack Obama a big wet kiss on his arse with this vote.

Corker’s words may say one thing but his actions, his votes, tell a different story. He is just as corrupt and dishonest now as he was as mayor of the city of Chattanooga.

Appalacher on February 12, 2014 at 6:55 PM

May everything McConnell has, everything he’s ever earned and work for, be destroyed in front of him. And his progeny, too.

Jeddite on February 12, 2014 at 7:07 PM

But that’s all good. Just shut up and keep voting for the G.O.statusquoP.

Because that’ll make a difference!

Left_is_Wrong on February 12, 2014 at 6:41 PM

Well, the GOP is dead to me. So, I’ll have to research and decide the best, most hurtful thing I can do to the GOP with my votes. Just staying home doesn’t cut it any longer.

Left_is_Wrong on February 11, 2014 at 9:57 PM

That’s yesterdays comment ^^^^ , right? Why are you back whining today?
Go figure out the grand plan that will destroy the Party and spare me your daily drama.

lynncgb on February 12, 2014 at 7:08 PM

Appalacher on February 12, 2014 at 6:55 PM

Where do you reside?

ladyingray on February 12, 2014 at 7:09 PM

If the GOPers would do the right thing by blocking the bill, then walking into the CNN studios and grab Blitzer and Cooperboy and FatassCandy and others by the scruff of their Progressive necks and raise a little holy hell in their faces and demand honest reporting maybe things could be turned around.

The reason many GOPissers in the Senate will not put it all on the line and do something in a passionate and resolute manner is because they are actually in agreement with Reid and Obama.

Appalacher on February 12, 2014 at 7:13 PM

ladyingray I am Chattanooga.

Appalacher on February 12, 2014 at 7:16 PM

Of the 12 Republicans who voted to break Ted Cruz’s filibuster only 3 are running for re-election in 2014:

1) Collins

2) Cornyn

3) McConnell

We all know that Matt Bevin is running against McConnell in the Kentucky Republican Primary.

Larry Sabato’s website lists Steve Stockman, Linda Vega, and Erik Wyatt as the candidates who are running against Cornyn in the Texas Republican Primary.

So far, it looks like there is no candidate running against Susan Collins in the Maine Primary.

The deadline for getting on the Primary Ballot in Maine is 3/17, so there is still time to find a Primary opponent for Susan Collins.

wren on February 12, 2014 at 7:17 PM

Well I am not actually Chattanooga, I am IN Chattanooga

Appalacher on February 12, 2014 at 7:17 PM

ladyingray I am Chattanooga.

Appalacher on February 12, 2014 at 7:16 PM

I am in Johnson City.

ladyingray on February 12, 2014 at 7:20 PM

wren on February 12, 2014 at 7:17 PM

Dwayne Stovall is also running against Cornyn. Stovall has MY vote!

annoyinglittletwerp on February 12, 2014 at 7:22 PM

Dwayne Stovall is also running against Cornyn. Stovall has MY vote!

annoyinglittletwerp on February 12, 2014 at 7:22 PM

Thank you ALT! I will add Dwayne Stovall to my running list of 2014 Senate candidates.

wren on February 12, 2014 at 7:27 PM

Lived a few years in Johnson City a half a lifetime ago. I love that part of the world.

Appalacher on February 12, 2014 at 7:29 PM

Appalacher on February 12, 2014 at 7:29 PM

We are getting snow. Yuck. I’ve had enough.

Did you go to school here?

ladyingray on February 12, 2014 at 7:34 PM

I just got done watching John Thune, one of the votes to stop cloture, talking about how they can’t do anything. By God we have a President of the United States that’s throwing the constitution under the bus and we have these morons telling us there’s nothing they can do about it.

Well, lets start with a walk-out. Let’s start with a filibuster by just not being there to vote. Let’s start by informing the press that we won’t take a Senate vote until Obama starts submitting the changes he would like to make for congressional review and have bills written. Let’s fight, for God’s sake, instead of telling everyone you just can’t do it.

I don’t believe people vote for their Senator so they’ll sit there and cry about what they can’t do. Where in hell is the leadership in the Senate. Who among those Senators, is willing to defend the constitution. I’d bet that, if all the Republicans walked out in defense of the Constitution, a few vulnerable Democrats just might follow. To get that done, you need leadership. Does anyone think the Democrats would allow a Republican President to do this? Of course not and I could guarantee you it wouldn’t be pretty. Of course the Democrats have an advantage, they’re fighting the Republicans who don’t have a clue.

If you want to take over the Senate, you’re not going to do it playing this game.

bflat879 on February 12, 2014 at 7:41 PM

Almost a white out tonight in Chatt and it is really piling up.

I didn’t go to school in JC, but I had a job there for almost three years before returning to Chatt. I lived just a few block from campus. It was a long time ago and JC has grown so much but it is still a good place to live.

Appalacher on February 12, 2014 at 7:44 PM

OK – so I need a list of their opponents in any primary.

Over50 on February 12, 2014 at 7:45 PM

Mitch and his Mudfarming comrades voted for allowing the Ocrats to spend more and make more messes because this provides the crony folks that support Mitch’s comrades to have lots of crony activities to keep them busy and in the bucks thru the election.

Mudfarming is based upon Faulker’s book “The Reveavers” where farmers would come out in the middle of the night and pour water on the dirt roads connecting cities. Folks doing commerce between the cities would get stuck in the mud, and the MudFarmers would pull them out for a price so they could get on with their business.

Sadly, Mudfarming is pretty much what the GOP leadership is all about these days. They are so busy helping their crony donors out of the Ocrat muck than they really have no attachment to the needs of the country or conservative notions of any sort — save perhaps for a short incoherent mumbling of some mantras about small gubermint (and such) when interviewed by the MSM…

drfredc on February 12, 2014 at 7:48 PM

A lot of folks here in KY, including R’s, don’t know he is or are ambivalent about him. Its nothing like the political atmosphere you had in 2012 when Rand Paul won the primary.

shubalstearns on February 12, 2014 at 5:18 PM

Who cares who Bevin is at this point? Anyone would be better than McConnell and you guys can kill two birds with one stone, get rid of mostly liberal votes by McConnell and force a vote on new leader in Senate. Win/win with absolutely no negatives.

And Bevin actually polls higher than McConnell against the liberal “I like Clinton” bimbo. So, not sure who does these GOP polls to begin with, willing to bet its McConnell’s brigade dong their own thing to misinform people. That’s what McConnell does so well.

riddick on February 12, 2014 at 7:51 PM

If you want to take over the Senate, you’re not going to do it playing this game.

bflat879 on February 12, 2014 at 7:41 PM

The Senate GOP is behaving like the British did at times during the Revolution. Line up in orderly fashion on the field of battle, stone faced, well dressed and well groomed, and wait for the opposition to gun you down and overrun your position.

They HAVE to do something radical to scare Barry and Harry sheetless or else they are going to allow Barry and Harry to euthanize the entire GOP caucus along with our country.

Appalacher on February 12, 2014 at 7:52 PM

Appalacher on February 12, 2014 at 7:44 PM

It is a great place to live. Glad I was able to raise my son here.

I love the Chattanooga Aquarium…

ladyingray on February 12, 2014 at 7:54 PM

OK – so I need a list of their opponents in any primary.

Over50 on February 12, 2014 at 7:45 PM

Of the 12 Republicans who voted to break Ted Cruz’s filibuster only 3 are running for re-election in 2014:

1) Collins

2) Cornyn

3) McConnell

We all know that Matt Bevin is running against McConnell in the Kentucky Republican Primary.

Larry Sabato’s website lists Steve Stockman, Linda Vega, and Erik Wyatt as the candidates who are running against Cornyn in the Texas Republican Primary. Plus Dwayne Stovall who has ALT’s endorsement, which makes him my favorite candidate.

So far, it looks like there is no candidate running against Susan Collins in the Maine Primary.

The deadline for getting on the Primary Ballot in Maine is 3/17, so there is still time to find a Primary opponent for Susan Collins.

wren on February 12, 2014 at 7:17 PM

wren on February 12, 2014 at 7:54 PM

Perhaps this will anger conservatives so much they primary established GOP candidates and replace them with former witches and people who claim women can’t get pregnant from rape.

LeftoCenter

I’d rather us hold out for candidates who believe there are 57 states and who are worried Guam is going to tip over from all the people.

The time for doing something about spending is, you know, when actual spending bills are being written and debated. The way to get the debt under control is to stop voting for more spending, not to force a default.

rockmom

And then your argument will be we can’t cut spending because republicans will get the blame when Obama shuts down the government.

xblade on February 12, 2014 at 8:02 PM

Could Mitch McConnell find five Republicans willing to join 55 Democrats in breaking a filibuster of a clean debt-ceiling hike?

He found 12. One of whom is named “Mitch McConnell.”

Yeah, that’s one way to slant it, lol. They had it stopped until McConnell voted for it. Then a parade of cowardly hacks changed their vote:

Democrats appeared to be at least one vote shy of being able to overcome a GOP filibuster, and it wasn’t until Mr. McConnell voted in favor of it that it became clear the debt increase would pass. After he voted, his top lieutenants, who had already voted against the debt increase, switched — and then went to other rank-and-file Republicans and asked them to switch too, trying to present a united front.

“Alright, let’s go — come on down,” Sen. Bob Corker, a Tennessee Republican who had earlier switched from “No” to “Yes,” told his colleagues on the floor.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/feb/12/congress-approves-massive-debt-increase/

Also, there is no dollar amount attached to this bill:

There is essentially no longer a debt ceiling. Instead, it will be allowed to rise by as much as is needed to cover obligations. Whatever the number is as of March 15 will become the new legal limit.

Well done, Republicans. But yeah, let’s just elect more republicans. That will fix things.

xblade on February 12, 2014 at 8:06 PM

THe only reason Lamar Alexander wasn’t part of the rat fink group of 12 is that it is election year for him, and he is getting hit by Carr on his voting record.

melle1228 on February 12, 2014 at 8:09 PM

So are you conservatives going to primary these guys and nominate more nutjob candidates that will get slaughtered in the general thus keeping Reid in control of the Senate?

LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 8:10 PM

And Rand Paul endorsed McConnell? Hmmm.

redware on February 12, 2014 at 6:18 PM

Story is that McConnell asked for the endorsement when there were no challenge coming…and Paul agreed to give him the endorsement.

Since that point, things have changed, but Paul appears loath to revoke his endorsement now that McConnell is facing a primary challenge.

Mitch McConnell is 72…and seeking another 6 year term.

Even if his approach was correct, we need to stop electing / re-electing those who should be embracing retirement. This is a fight for the survival of the country, and McConnell is not the leader in the right place at the right time now – let along after November. McConnell is too ingrained in the ‘go along to get along’ and too ingrained in the ‘moving down the wrong path at 70mph vs 200 mph is the right idea’.

Cornyn, IMO, also seriously damaged himself by supporting this cloture vote…and also seems too tight with the ‘go along to get along’ crowd.

It’s all just more examples of these people putting their own interests and ego in front of what is best for the country.

That’s not leadership.

Athos on February 12, 2014 at 8:13 PM

So are you conservatives going to primary these guys and nominate more nutjob candidates that will get slaughtered in the general thus keeping Reid in control of the Senate?

LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 8:10 PM

Bless your heart – so sweet of you to be so concerned about how conservatives are going to fare.

Shay on February 12, 2014 at 8:17 PM

An online survey by a group of Canadian researchers suggests that Internet trolls are more likely than others to show signs of sadism, psychopathy and “Machiavellianism”: a disregard for morality and tendency to manipulate or exploit others.

 
From a concurrent headline.

rogerb on February 12, 2014 at 8:18 PM

You know, at this point I have more respect for the Democratic Party and their congressmen/senators. They will at least pick a position and fight for it, regardless of consequences. Some would dare call that principle.

The republicans on the other hand, are absolutely trash. I will not vote for another person with an (R) after their name, just to “vote republican”. It’s conservative, and not on word, but deed alone.

We are in this position because the slime leadership have learned that they can do whatever they want, and all they have to do is shout “but we need republicans” and the sheep vote for them over and over…regardless of the failures to follow a conservative agenda, or fight the liberal one.

Will we lose seats with this plan in the short term? Probably. Will we be better off in the long run? Yes.

USNCVN on February 12, 2014 at 8:18 PM

THe only reason Lamar Alexander wasn’t part of the rat fink group of 12 is that it is election year for him, and he is getting hit by Carr on his voting record.

melle1228 on February 12, 2014 at 8:09 PM

Primaries are the MOST effective way to hold our elected “representatives” accountable to the American People.

The more Primary Elections, the better!

wren on February 12, 2014 at 8:18 PM

@ wren

“Primaries are the MOST effective way to hold our elected “representatives” accountable to the American People.”

They can also be effective in nominating former witches. You guys should go for it.

LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 8:24 PM

The leadership of the GOP just want these next three years to go away. Just get over with it.

The GOP leadership believes that in three years Obama will be gone, and someone else will be president, and all the regular rules for politics come back, and everything will be just like it was before Obama.

In three years there will be a Republican President, the democrats will control congress, and it will be like it was with Bush the Younger. That’s the goal of the GOP leadership.

Joseph OHenry on February 12, 2014 at 5:27 PM

I hate to ruin the surprise ending for Mitch and the Gang:

1.) America won’t last that long.
2.) No one in this Country will forget their complicity in making this happen.

a5minmajor on February 12, 2014 at 8:45 PM

They can also be effective in nominating former witches. You guys should go for it.

LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 8:24 PM

Stop talking about Pelosi like that.

BTW, have you had a chance to visit 57 states yet or see Guam before it flips over?

melle1228 on February 12, 2014 at 8:47 PM

Q: What the difference between the government and a group of mosquitoes?

A: One’s a group of blood-sucking parasites and the other is a bunch of insects.

307wolverine on February 12, 2014 at 8:49 PM

@ melle

If I was talking about Pelosi I wouldn’t refer to her as a “former” witch. I’m sure she still dons the pointy hat and broomstick.

LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 8:50 PM

Just because Cruz promised not to campaign against incumbents doesn’t mean he promised to make it easy for them. Hehe, rock on Cruz and give them the conipitions they richly deserve. They don’t fool us with voting yes on cloture then voting no.

AH_C on February 12, 2014 at 8:53 PM

lynncgb on February 12, 2014 at 7:08 PM

I’m back because I feel like being back.

What, the substance of what I posted hits a little too close the mark there? Truth hurts I guess.

You go right on ahead defending the status quo. Be sure to check back in when it finally dawns on you that you’re supporting people that ARE part of the problem.

Left_is_Wrong on February 12, 2014 at 8:55 PM

@ 307wolverine

How long did it take you to come up with what witty gem?

LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 8:56 PM

Texas, we have to get rid of Cornyn. Once again he has taken the low road. He must really think we don’t pay attention to his votes. He doesn’t have the courage to do the right thing, and he never will. He keeps standing on his soapbox telling us that he is a conservative; meanwhile, he remains just another unprincipled Senator.

mobydutch on February 12, 2014 at 9:03 PM

So are you conservatives going to primary these guys and nominate more nutjob candidates that will get slaughtered in the general thus keeping Reid in control of the Senate?

LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 8:10 PM

If you were a conservative what steps would you take to advance conservative principles? (note I said “conservative”, not “Republican”)

I ask because for some inexplicable reason you act as if you care about our current plight instead of simply reveling in the way one would expect that someone left of center would do.

Kataklysmic on February 12, 2014 at 9:05 PM

So are you conservatives going to primary these guys and nominate more nutjob candidates that will get slaughtered in the general thus keeping Reid in control of the Senate?
LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 8:10 PM

Thanks for your concern. Not. The objective is to replace these rinos with conservatives. If we can’t do that then breaking their incumbency is the lesser of two evils than letteing them return more entrenched in their cronyist power. The day of reckoning will come, sooner or later and it won’t be pretty for them.

AH_C on February 12, 2014 at 9:06 PM

How come conservatives talk a big game but barely even show up to play anymore?

Why are conservatives terrified of Obama to the point they can’t even follow through with their threats?

Why are conservatives’ spines made out of Jell-O? I thought liberals were supposed to be the weak ones?

LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 6:00 PM

He asked himself to no one in particular.

de rigueur on February 12, 2014 at 9:07 PM

Barrasso’s and Thune’s votes for cloture surprise (and disappoint) me.

From what I understand, Cornyn, the Senate Minority Whip, could not muster enough support for cloture, so that both he and Mitch had to round out those numbers. Those two are the leaders of the minority party? Pathetic.

onlineanalyst on February 12, 2014 at 9:09 PM

Or maybe they did and McConnell and Cornyn decided that they were duty bound to vote yes anyway. Oh well. Easy lay-up for Team Bevin’s press shop.

Interesting. Cruz is #2 in the NRSC Senate re-election committee, junior senator from KS is #1. Cornyn initially appeared to lean on Cruz to bolster his re-election prospects. This seems like a cloud over that relationship. Yet Cornyn had to have thought this through.

Rand Paul didn’t vote with McConnell and no doubt voted against the final measure. Yet he has not withdrawn his endorsement of Mitchster, maybe because Mitch hired Rand’s campaign team and is keeping them funded and busy until Rand needs them. At some point, Rand Paul has to come out swinging a little for Team Mitch.

KY has a 57-37 Dem registration advantage. And McConnell virtually built the modern KY GOP over the years. You have to conclude that Mitch doesn’t think this vote will hurt him with GOP primary voters and that another shutdown would hurt in the general election. His vote today helps make sure his Dem opponent can’t accuse him of trying to shut down the government again. These incumbents facing re-election don’t want another poll-spiking shutdown by Cruz to sour the voters again.

Cruz makes enemies for no good reason. He lacks political experience and it shows.

Toocon on February 12, 2014 at 9:09 PM

. I honestly do not believe the last two years would have produced any different results if Mitch McConnell had been running the Senate than what we have seen under Harry Reid

I agree

crankyoldlady on February 12, 2014 at 9:10 PM

Statement from the future President – Ted Cruz:

Today’s vote is yet another example that establishment politicians from both parties are simply not listening to the American people. Outside the beltway, Americans of all political stripes understand that we cannot keep spending money we don’t have.

Some members of Congress care so much about being praised by the Washington media that they’re willing to mortgage our children’s future. They pretend we don’t have a problem and can just kick the can down the road.

Let’s be clear about the motive behind this vote — there are too many members of Congress who think they can fool people and they will forget about it the next week. But sometimes, come November, the people remember.

redguy on February 12, 2014 at 9:12 PM

“Statement from the future President – Ted Cruz:”

Lol. Thanks. I needed that.

In all seriousness though I hope he’s nominated

LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 9:14 PM

Republicans, Democrats, same shite, different piles

Racistanyway on February 12, 2014 at 9:14 PM

Not surprised to see Orrin Hatch on the list. I remember when he was endorsed by Mark Levin and Sarah Palin because he was pretending to be conservative for a couple years. Conservatives need to stop being so gullible and look suspiciously at people who change how they vote as an election approaches.

mattmillburn on February 12, 2014 at 9:22 PM

And then your argument will be we can’t cut spending because republicans will get the blame when Obama shuts down the government.

xblade on February 12, 2014 at 8:02 PM

We’re way beyond the point where cowardice is a good strategy. This is not a game. Either stand up or fall down.

crankyoldlady on February 12, 2014 at 9:25 PM

And you were all doing so well ignoring the troll trying to run the thread. After suffering through five pages of a troll hijacking a long thread yesterday, this one stayed on topic.

Alien on February 12, 2014 at 9:27 PM

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