House GOP’s top Dem negotiating partner on immigration: Obama should expand his executive authority in stopping deportations

posted at 8:01 pm on February 12, 2014 by Allahpundit

Via CNS, am I wrong in describing him that way in the headline? More than three years ago, he told Newsweek that he has only one loyalty and that’s to the immigrant community. No problem for the GOP: Not only was Gutierrez a welcome member of the House’s bipartisan “Gang of Eight” on immigration, he’s been quietly and not so quietly collaborating with Paul Ryan on immigration reform for months. Now here he is, just days after Boehner warned that Obama’s power grabs had left the GOP unwilling to trust him to enforce new border security measures, urging O to grab more power by extending his executive amnesty for DREAMers to other illegals. What does this guy have to say or do for ostensibly pro-enforcement Republicans to conclude they can’t deal with him? It’s one thing not to challenge Obama’s executive overreach, it’s another to huddle with members of the other team who are calling for more of it. (See also Sheila Jackson-Lee.) The fact that they continue to ignore stuff like this is almost enough to make me think Boehner, Ryan, and the rest of the gang are closer to Gutierrez’s positions on this issue than they’re letting on.

But that would be silly, wouldn’t it.

He spends most of his time here unfurling the old story about jobs Americans won’t do — agricultural work is hard and dirty, most citizens consider it beneath their dignity and too low-paying to pursue, therefore we need to import a class of low-skilled labor to do it for us. Play that story out for another generation, after amnesty passes and many of those workers become citizens, and tell me how it ends. The entire point of this negotiation from the border-hawk perspective is that this must be the last amnesty. People who are already here are going to end up being legalized one way or another, but that’s a price worth paying in exchange for security measures that’ll ensure we’re not facing this problem again in 25 years. Does it sound like Gutierrez shares that vision? If he doesn’t, why do Republicans like Ryan keep talking to him?


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Obama should expand his executive authority in stopping deportations

Need more Subjects for the King…

Electrongod on February 12, 2014 at 8:04 PM

Traitors, one and all, to Hades with you, pronto!

Schadenfreude on February 12, 2014 at 8:05 PM

TEAR DOWN THIS WALL!

El_Terrible on February 12, 2014 at 8:06 PM

More than three years ago, he told Newsweek that he has only one loyalty and that’s to the immigrant community. No problem for the GOP

The GOP deserves a short but excruciatingly painful death.

Cicero43 on February 12, 2014 at 8:06 PM

OT – RIP (not what you think)

P = Pieces

Schadenfreude on February 12, 2014 at 8:10 PM

While we’re at it, why don’t we try to force states into allowing incarcerated felons the right to vote…….oh wait.

StubbornGreenBurros on February 12, 2014 at 8:11 PM

I want to fix the U.S. immigration system too. Let’s start by ENFORCING OUR CURRENT LAWS against ILLEGAL immigration.

Anybody who has shown their contempt for U.S. laws by being in our country ILLEGALLY should be sent back to their home country ASAP.

wren on February 12, 2014 at 8:11 PM

OT – RIP (not what you think)

P = Pieces

Schadenfreude on February 12, 2014 at 8:10 PM

Kinda like most of the stuff at Walmart..

Oh…did I say that out loud?

Electrongod on February 12, 2014 at 8:12 PM

GET THIS RINOs – WE WILL NOT VOTE FOR ANYONE WHO WON”T SECURE THE BORDER.

crankyoldlady on February 12, 2014 at 8:13 PM

People who are already here are going to end up being legalized one way or another

Why? Hasn’t happened yet, and I don’t see a marker called “inevitability” written on that.

Stoic Patriot on February 12, 2014 at 8:13 PM

GET THIS RINOs – WE WILL NOT VOTE FOR ANYONE WHO WON”T SECURE THE BORDER.

crankyoldlady on February 12, 2014 at 8:13 PM

Might as well forget this one, in a nice way…

Never will the border be secured, under any admin.

Never will the employers of illegals be punished.

These are two givens, just like the sun rises in the East.

Schadenfreude on February 12, 2014 at 8:14 PM

So can we all stop pretending that the left is nothing more than a bunch of lawless wannabe tyrants? These people, of left unchecked would turn the USA into the next USSR.

jawkneemusic on February 12, 2014 at 8:16 PM

anything more*

jawkneemusic on February 12, 2014 at 8:17 PM

TEAR DOWN THIS WALL!

El_Terrible on February 12, 2014 at 8:06 PM

rofl..Hilarious..:)

Dire Straits on February 12, 2014 at 8:17 PM

Amnesty demanders need to be held accountable for why they disrespect our laws.

Lourdes on February 12, 2014 at 8:18 PM

People who are already here are going to end up being legalized one way or another

Congress and Governors, hear this: Americans aren’t going to vote for any among you who pursues the above activity.

Lourdes on February 12, 2014 at 8:20 PM

Obama has no reason not to do it.

What would conservatives do anyway?

Nada. They’ll sit down, shut up and deal with it.

LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 8:21 PM

The job duties of Congress include representing United States citizens. They DON’T include representing foreign nationals and their foreign governments IN the US Congress.

Some in Congress apparently don’t take their Oath of Office seriously.

Lourdes on February 12, 2014 at 8:21 PM

Huh. HotAir wakes up to the slime that is Greasy Louie Gutierrez of Chicago. How timely.

Jaibones on February 12, 2014 at 8:22 PM

While we’re at it, why doesn’t Obama raise the minimum income tax rate for Republicans to 999% since he has absolute authority…

ConstantineXI on February 12, 2014 at 8:23 PM

In a rational society, this azzhat Gutierrez would have been exiled (preferably deported for the irony factor) long ago …

ShainS on February 12, 2014 at 8:24 PM

So can we all stop pretending that the left is anything more than a bunch of lawless wannabe tyrants? These people, of left unchecked would turn the USA into the next USSR.

jawkneemusic on February 12, 2014 at 8:16 PM

And can we stop calling them by disingenuous labels that imply they favor Liberty or ‘Progress’ (whatever that is)

We need to call them the national socialist left.

of or relating to a nation; common to or characteristic of a whole nation:
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/national?q=national

Because that is what those on the left really are, despite their incessant denials of the obvious.

DinaRehn on February 12, 2014 at 8:26 PM

Schadenfreude on February 12, 2014 at 8:10 PM

Heh.

Obama announcement, of Muslim technicians and astronauts to be fully trained by NASA for a 2064 attempt to repair the vehicle, in 5 .. 4 .. 3 …

ShainS on February 12, 2014 at 8:28 PM

!!!!!!!!!!!!

annoyinglittletwerp on February 12, 2014 at 8:31 PM

DinaRehn on February 12, 2014 at 8:26 PM

Great comments you’ve been posting. Are you one of the recent folks?

hawkdriver on February 12, 2014 at 8:31 PM

Eventually this country will be no better than the one’s the illegals left.

- For some, that’s the plan.
- For others that’s not a problem (I always have a 2nd home to go back to). Unfortunately we don’t.
- For a select few, they’ll be wanting to go out with a bang, “literally”.
- For the rest, the promise of a better life never materializes, but they’ll continue to vote for candidates whose ideology crippled their former country.

Third world for all!

StubbornGreenBurros on February 12, 2014 at 8:31 PM

Might as well forget this one, in a nice way…

Never will the border be secured, under any admin.

Never will the employers of illegals be punished.

These are two givens, just like the sun rises in the East.

Schadenfreude on February 12, 2014 at 8:14 PM

Second look at Citizens Arrests?

/Which party do you suppose would get thrown in jail and convicted of a crime these days?

ShainS on February 12, 2014 at 8:33 PM

Gutierrez is a big time socialist that wants illegal aliens to have their piece of the redistribution pie. Repatriation would be my cure for what ails him.

antipc on February 12, 2014 at 8:34 PM

Gutierrez (Democrat-MEXICO)

GarandFan on February 12, 2014 at 8:34 PM

Because that is what those on the left really are, despite their incessant denials of the obvious.

DinaRehn on February 12, 2014 at 8:26 PM

I’ve stopped calling them liberals a long time ago. They’re leftists and/or Statists to me.

jawkneemusic on February 12, 2014 at 8:36 PM

Conservatives should institute an underground program to make white people breed as much as they can so they can increase the size of the only demographic they appeal to anymore.

LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 8:37 PM

Luis Gutierrez D-Illegals

ConstantineXI on February 12, 2014 at 8:38 PM

These people are in full flower. They believe this is the time..they are the people they have been waiting for. They are either going to win or be cast into the dust bin of history for the next 100 years.
What happens depends on the people.

Mimzey on February 12, 2014 at 8:39 PM

DinaRehn on February 12, 2014 at 8:26 PM

Great comments you’ve been posting. Are you one of the recent folks?

hawkdriver on February 12, 2014 at 8:31 PM

Thanks.

Let’s just say that I’ve expanded my voice over from Disgust.

DinaRehn on February 12, 2014 at 8:40 PM

Conservatives should institute an underground program to make white people breed as much as they can so they can increase the size of the only demographic they appeal to anymore.

LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 8:37 PM

I’m gonna guess that you don’t even have a clue as to how brain dead and racist your comment is.

Mimzey on February 12, 2014 at 8:41 PM

Conservatives should institute an underground program to make white people breed as much as they can so they can increase the size of the only demographic they appeal to anymore.
LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 8:37 PM

Or we could just let the Obama Party genocide program of abortions and STDs reduce the minority population.

Living up to Maggie Sanger’s dream, aren’t you?

northdallasthirty on February 12, 2014 at 8:41 PM

Democrat Rep. Luis Gutierrez is running for re-election in the March 18th Illinois Primary to represent the 4th Congressional District.

There are 2 Democrats running against Rep. Gutierrez in the Democrat Primary. They are:

Jorge Gerardo Zavala

and

Alexandra Eidenberg

The Republican who is running for this congressional seat is:

Hector Concepcion

I realize this is the Congressional District for Chicago, so it will be an uphill battle, but could you please VOTE GUTIERREZ OUT OF OFFICE?

wren on February 12, 2014 at 8:42 PM

I’m gonna guess that you don’t even have a clue as to how brain dead and racist your comment is.
Mimzey on February 12, 2014 at 8:41 PM

It’s a leftist troll. Like its Barack Obama, it doesn’t have the mental capacity to do anything other than scream “racist”.

northdallasthirty on February 12, 2014 at 8:42 PM

@ Mimzey

How is it brainless and/or racist? Facts are facts. Numbers don’t lie.

LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 8:44 PM

LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 8:37 PM

My blog dad immigrated to the US at age 6.
His parents had applied to immigrate here before he was born.
He was born in Brasil. His skin is brown-but his soul and spirit is Red/White/Blue.

This fight isn’t about white vs non-white. It’s about criminal border-jumpers(redundant-I know)vs those who followed the rules to enter this great nation/the LEGALLY native born.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 12, 2014 at 8:44 PM

Like Weasel Boehner needs more reasons to hide under the desk?

Conservatives limit breeding such that their offspring succeed at life rather than suckle the gummint teat between crack deals.

viking01 on February 12, 2014 at 8:44 PM

@ northdallasthirty

Please show me where I called someone a racist or accused anyone of racism.

LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 8:45 PM

Conservatives should institute an underground program to make white people breed as much as they can so they can increase the size of the only demographic they appeal to anymore.

LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 8:37 PM

Looking at the leftist base of moochers, looters and deadbeats I’d have to say wrong answer.

antipc on February 12, 2014 at 8:45 PM

There is no difference between the parties. They all want a king with absolute power and so does at least half the citizens of this country. All it took was a black guy without a past to make their dreams come true. I just hope that after this country is destroyed that the whites can finally rid themselves of the guilt they feel for the deeds of people long dead.

Lucy43 on February 12, 2014 at 8:45 PM

LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 8:45 PM

Rumor has it that your troll self was banned yesterday but that you were almost immediately reinstated.
I was banned for a week and then spent a month in moderation.
WTF?!

annoyinglittletwerp on February 12, 2014 at 8:47 PM

@ Mimzey
How is it brainless and/or racist? Facts are facts. Numbers don’t lie.
LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 8:44 PM

Facts are that blacks and Hispanics abort and get STDs way more than white people — at the urging of white liberals.

Facts also show that the overwhelming majority of murders of Obama Party voters are by other Obama Party voters — again, aided by white liberals who endorse minority violence.

northdallasthirty on February 12, 2014 at 8:47 PM

@ northdallasthirty
Please show me where I called someone a racist or accused anyone of racism.
LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 8:45 PM

Lol. Trying to claim your ID has been hacked?

Are you a rapist like your Anthony Weiner too?

northdallasthirty on February 12, 2014 at 8:49 PM

The entire point of this negotiation from the border-hawk perspective is that this must be the last amnesty.

If this goes through it won’t matter if we have another amnesty.

Wigglesworth on February 12, 2014 at 8:53 PM

I think northdallasthirty’s tin foil hat is on too tight again. Might need an adjustment.
However, thanks to enough conservatives thinking the way northdallasthirty does, Democratic dominance of the WH is all but ensured.

LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 8:54 PM

LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 8:54 PM

Can’t wait til you get yourself banned, it won’t be long.

BeachBum on February 12, 2014 at 8:55 PM

I think northdallasthirty’s tin foil hat is on too tight again. Might need an adjustment.
However, thanks to enough conservatives thinking the way northdallasthirty does, Democratic dominance of the WH is all but ensured.
LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 8:54 PM

Of course you would think that; it’s the same delusion that leads you to scream that anyone who disagrees with Obama is a racist.

Meanwhile, perhaps you can explain why you and your fellow Obama supporters state that assassinating a President is acceptable.

northdallasthirty on February 12, 2014 at 8:58 PM

Conservatives should institute an underground program to make white people breed as much as they can so they can increase the size of the only demographic they appeal to anymore.

LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 8:37 PM

It would be like the libs attempting to increase their influence here by creating sock puppets and respawning the nasty ones who have been banned before, no?

hawkdriver on February 12, 2014 at 8:58 PM

@ BeachBum

“Can’t wait til you get yourself banned, it won’t be long.”

Why? Because you can’t take different opinions? You must not be too confident in your own beliefs then.

LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 8:59 PM

Conservatives Rich, white progressives who control the entire “leftist” hemisphere should institute have instituted an underground “in plain sight” program to make white people to make sure all minority groups stay enslaved and continue to suckle at their commie teat(s) so they can increase the size of their wealth and power at the expense of only demographic this reliant demographic they appeal to anymore don’t find appealing, and will never, ever help.

FIFY

StubbornGreenBurros on February 12, 2014 at 8:59 PM

Conservatives should institute an underground program to make white people breed as much as they can so they can increase the size of the only demographic they appeal to anymore.

LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 8:37 PM

PS, if you weren’t as supportive of abortion, your particular demographic would be less of a minority now.

Why do you think your liberal white friends like abortion so much?

hawkdriver on February 12, 2014 at 9:00 PM

Meanwhile, perhaps LefttoCenter can explain why it and its Barack Obama Party supports raping and murdering the families of Republican politicians.

northdallasthirty on February 12, 2014 at 9:01 PM

Why? Because you can’t take different opinions? You must not be too confident in your own beliefs then.

LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 8:59 PM

I’m here to listen to conservative opinions, if I wanted to hear scum like you spout I’d be on KOS or DU. But then YOUR sites don’t allow other opinions, do they? GFY

BeachBum on February 12, 2014 at 9:01 PM

northdallasthirty accuses me of screaming even though he can’t hear me and I haven’t used caps

northdallasthirty then sends me a link to a blog called “zombietime” and expects me to take him/her seriously.

LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 9:02 PM

Why? Because you can’t take different opinions? You must not be too confident in your own beliefs then.
LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 8:59 PM

Why? Progressive sites ban conservative commenters all the time, just like they call for rape and murder of Republicans.

Go ahead. Tell is why Prog sites banning people is good, or call Prog sites that do intellectual cowards.

northdallasthirty on February 12, 2014 at 9:02 PM

Zekecorlain?

hawkdriver on February 12, 2014 at 9:02 PM

northdallasthirty accuses me of screaming even though he can’t hear me and I haven’t used caps
northdallasthirty then sends me a link to a blog called “zombietime” and expects me to take him/her seriously.
LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 9:02 PM

Awww, the widdle pwoggie scared?

Come on, proggie. Even you wouldn’t be so stupid as to spin and equivocate for people calling for Bush to murdered and Palin’s children to be raped

Then again, Progs are always murderers throughout history, so you may be that stupid.

northdallasthirty on February 12, 2014 at 9:07 PM

@ Beach Bum

“I’m here to listen to conservative opinions”

But aren’t you conservative? You only want to listen to people say the very same things you agree with?

Excuse the phrasing but isn’t that a little like “political masturbation”?

What fun is it to just people say everything you agree with? That’s the very reason I stay away from liberal websites. I know what they’re gonna say so what’s the point?

LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 9:07 PM

Can someone please make northdallasthirty in charge of nominating all Republican candidates? Hell, can someone make him chairman of the RNC?

LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 9:09 PM

LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 9:07 PM

What’s it to you scumbag? For insight as to why YOU”RE here, there’s an article from CNN about trolls in the headlines. Go read it and heal thyself.

BeachBum on February 12, 2014 at 9:09 PM

northdallasthirty accuses me of screaming even though he can’t hear me and I haven’t used caps

northdallasthirty then sends me a link to a blog called “zombietime” and expects me to take him/her seriously.

LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 9:02 PM

And you want someone to do something about this?
You’re funny, like Matt Yglesias funny.

StubbornGreenBurros on February 12, 2014 at 9:09 PM

But aren’t you conservative? You only want to listen to people say the very same things you agree with?
Excuse the phrasing but isn’t that a little like “political masturbation”?
What fun is it to just people say everything you agree with? That’s the very reason I stay away from liberal websites. I know what they’re gonna say so what’s the point?
LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 9:07 PM

Indeed.

Progs like LefttoCenter are scared of dissent, so that’s why Prog sites ban conservative commenters and why Progs call for the rape, improsonment, and murder of political opponents.

Conservatives are better than Progs, which is why LefttoCenter is allowed to comment here. His behavior is understandable because, as a Prog, he is mentally and intellectually inferior, not capable of living up to the standards he demands of conservatives, who are superior.

northdallasthirty on February 12, 2014 at 9:11 PM

Can someone please make northdallasthirty in charge of nominating all Republican candidates? Hell, can someone make him chairman of the RNC?
LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 9:09 PM

They always attack the ones they fear.

And LefttoCenter should fear me. He has the same primal fear that his Klan ancestors once had toward armed and free black people.

northdallasthirty on February 12, 2014 at 9:14 PM

They always attack the ones they fear.

And LefttoCenter should fear me. He has the same primal fear that his Klan ancestors once had toward armed and free black people.

northdallasthirty on February 12, 2014 at 9:14 PM

The militant gays seem to come straight at you also ND3. You are a great threat to them.

hawkdriver on February 12, 2014 at 9:15 PM

@ BeachBum

“What’s it to you scumbag?”

Nice. Unwarranted personal attacks. However, I expected a bit more creativity. “Scumbag” is so….ho hum.

LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 9:18 PM

@ hawkdriver

“The militant gays seem to come straight at you also ND3.”

Militant gays? LOL. Do they wear rainbow colored camo or something?

LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 9:21 PM

@ Beach Bum

“I’m here to listen to conservative opinions”

But aren’t you conservative? You only want to listen to people say the very same things you agree with?

Excuse the phrasing but isn’t that a little like “political masturbation”?

What fun is it to just people say everything you agree with? That’s the very reason I stay away from liberal websites. I know what they’re gonna say so what’s the point?

LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 9:07 PM

Nice trick not using the quote function, comes in handy when you know you’re going to type something that shows you for what you are.

Back on topic, in true liberal fashion you’re here to distort the the truth, distract, and disrupt, not to avoid like minded lemmings.

antipc on February 12, 2014 at 9:22 PM

It’s a leftist troll. Like its Barack Obama, it doesn’t have the mental capacity to do anything other than scream “racist”.

northdallasthirty on February 12, 2014 at 8:42 PM

Obama can only do it if it’s programmed into his teleprompter.

ConstantineXI on February 12, 2014 at 9:22 PM

@ LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 9:21 PM

Why do you use the @ symbol?

hawkdriver on February 12, 2014 at 9:22 PM

Because that is what those on the left really are, despite their incessant denials of the obvious.

DinaRehn on February 12, 2014 at 8:26 PM

I’ve stopped calling them liberals a long time ago. They’re leftists and/or Statists to me.

jawkneemusic on February 12, 2014 at 8:36 PM

Yes, that one of those that really gets me annoyed – they are far from root word that is in common with the word liberty.

Definition of liberal
adjective
1willing to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one’s own; open to new ideas. favourable to or respectful of individual rights and freedoms
(in a political context) favouring individual liberty, free trade
noun a person of liberal views: a concern among liberals about the relation of the citizen to the state
Origin:
Middle English: via Old French from Latin liberalis, from liber ‘free (man)’. The original sense was ‘suitable for a free man’, hence ‘suitable for a gentleman’ (one not tied to a trade), surviving in liberal arts. Another early sense ‘generous’ (compare with sense 4 of the adjective) gave rise to an obsolete meaning ‘free from restraint’, leading to sense 1 of the adjective (late 18th century)
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/liberal?

DinaRehn on February 12, 2014 at 9:23 PM

@ LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 9:21 PM

“Militant gays? LOL. Do they wear rainbow colored camo or something?”

I dunno. Do you?

hawkdriver on February 12, 2014 at 9:25 PM

Obama can only do it if it’s programmed into his teleprompter.
ConstantineXI on February 12, 2014 at 9:22 PM

Well, remember, the overwhelming majority of black Democrats are dirty and inarticulate and have too much of a “Negro” accent, according to Joe Biden, Harry Reid, and LefttoCenter.

So Obama is a major outlier. Mainly because he didn’t grow up in the projects where the Obama Party stuffs black people.

northdallasthirty on February 12, 2014 at 9:27 PM

It’s fun to read the newbies quarreling
among themselves and settling down .
Methinks this is a very good new crop .
WELCOME !

Lucano on February 12, 2014 at 9:27 PM

Nice. Unwarranted personal attacks. However, I expected a bit more creativity. “Scumbag” is so….ho hum.

LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 9:18 PM

That’s pretty funny coming from someone who just finished saying I was “masturbating”, classy. Did you read the article, sadist? You’re not here to see other opinions, you’re here to villify, mock and generally disrupt. You’re a POS.

BeachBum on February 12, 2014 at 9:28 PM

Antipc:

Are you the same antipc on youtube who makes the anti Obama videos and wears the yellow smiley face mask? Man, I love your videos!

@ hawkdriver

I use @ so I purposely don’t use the quote feature. It’s a Bmore thing.

LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 9:28 PM

@ hawkdriver

“I dunno. Do you?”

I have rainbow colored camo feetie pajamas.

LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 9:29 PM

LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 8:37 PM

I’m gonna guess that you don’t even have a clue as to how brain dead and racist your comment is.

Mimzey on February 12, 2014 at 8:41 PM

It’s a leftist troll. Like its Barack Obama, it doesn’t have the mental capacity to do anything other than scream “racist”.

northdallasthirty on February 12, 2014 at 8:42 PM

That’s the thing – I’ve found those on the national socialist left to be the biggest racists – and they are so busy projecting they don’t realize it.

DinaRehn on February 12, 2014 at 9:30 PM

@ LeftoCenter

“I use @ so I purposely don’t use the quote feature. It’s a Bmore thing.”

You have some history with Bmore? I mean, you like to emulate him?

hawkdriver on February 12, 2014 at 9:31 PM

@ BeachBum

I suppose you’re not a music fan and heard the term “musical masturbation.” It applies to those jam bands that stretch songs to over an hour because they like to hear themselves play. So I applied the same idea to politics. That was hardly a personal attack or any attack at all.

LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 9:31 PM

@ hawkdriver

“You have some history with Bmore?”

We have a long history actually. Sadly it ended with an incident involving a jar of peanut butter and a cucumber. I can’t go into detail but….yeah. I’d rather not talk about it.

LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 9:35 PM

I suppose you’re not a music fan and heard the term “musical masturbation.” It applies to those jam bands that stretch songs to over an hour because they like to hear themselves play. So I applied the same idea to politics. That was hardly a personal attack or any attack at all.
LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 9:31 PM

As always, we have to remember: Progs like LefttoCenter call for the rape, improsonment, and murder of conservatives and their families. They are like dogs who don’t see anything wrong with taking dumps on the rug.

northdallasthirty on February 12, 2014 at 9:35 PM

Wonder how many dead sun baked bodies we’ll find this year out in the sonoran desert?

Probably a lot more.

wolly4321 on February 12, 2014 at 9:37 PM

@LeftoCenter

“We have a long history actually. Sadly it ended with an incident involving a jar of peanut butter and a cucumber. I can’t go into detail but….yeah. I’d rather not talk about it.”

What the f#ck is that snottiness about? You carped because people were treating you like a troll. I settled down into a decent conversation with me and you’re going to be like that?

hawkdriver on February 12, 2014 at 9:38 PM

We have a long history actually. Sadly it ended with an incident involving a jar of peanut butter and a cucumber. I can’t go into detail but….yeah. I’d rather not talk about it.
LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 9:35 PM

Meh. We expect nothing better from supporters of Woody Allen, Roman Polanski, and Obama’s favorite pedophile Frank Marshall Davis.

northdallasthirty on February 12, 2014 at 9:38 PM

LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 9:31 PM

The only one “masturbating” around here is you and it’s not to music. You seem to revel in your own self perceived eruditeness. Carry on, I’m way too old to waste more time aggravating myself with your nonsense.

BeachBum on February 12, 2014 at 9:38 PM

@ LeftoCenter

“We have a long history actually. Sadly it ended with an incident involving a jar of peanut butter and a cucumber. I can’t go into detail but….yeah. I’d rather not talk about it.”

What’s up with that? You carped because you thought people were treating you like a troll and when someone talks to you in a decent friendly manner, you pull that cute crap?

hawkdriver on February 12, 2014 at 9:41 PM

@ northdallasthirty

Where was your dirty mind going? Damn conservative pervert.

LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 9:42 PM

@ hawkdriver

Don’t take offense or anything. That was in no way meant to be an attack. Just decided to have some fun and say something silly.

And then northdallasthirty comes in with his perverted, dirty thoughts and screws it all up. Man, I hope I don’t meet that guy in a dark alley somewhere.

LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 9:45 PM

@LeftoMarx

Naw, your idol needs no help beclowning himself. Come to think of it you seem eerily the same, long on insults and attacks but short on substance and intellect.

antipc on February 12, 2014 at 9:45 PM

If this goes through it won’t matter if we have another amnesty.

Wigglesworth

And for that matter, if it’s okay to pass amnesty now, why not in the future? If there’s nothing with doing it, then what’s the problem having more of them? On the other hand, if it’s wrong to do them in the future, then why isn’t it wrong now?

xblade on February 12, 2014 at 9:48 PM

And then northdallasthirty comes in with his perverted, dirty thoughts and screws it all up. Man, I hope I don’t meet that guy in a dark alley somewhere.

LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 9:45 PM

ND3 is not a bad guy. When you’ve been here longer, you’ll see that he really has some great insights. I really enjoy his contributions. You say you’re left of center. I normally consider someone who doesn’t claim all right or all left to be something in the middle. Do you think you’re libertarian more?

hawkdriver on February 12, 2014 at 9:49 PM

Well mmmokay then. Thanks anyway @lefttocenter. I’m guessing you were bullshitting about talking with people here.

hawkdriver on February 12, 2014 at 10:01 PM

@ hawkdriver

To be quite honest. It all depends on the topic. Some things I’m more liberal on, and on other things I’m actually more conservative to the point I upset democratic friends.

As far as what issues I would be libertarian on: well the first two things that come to my mind are drug use and same sex marriage. Drug use because even though I wouldn’t condone the use of hard drugs, I would say the war on drugs is a failure and complete waste of money and drug addiction is better fixed through rehab rather than prison…unless of course they’re violent.

Same sex marriage because even though I don’t understand why a man would find another man attractive, that’s not my right to say they don’t love each other and as long as they are two consenting adults, I don’t see a problem with them enjoying the same rights as other married couples.

LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 10:06 PM

@ hawkdriver

“Well mmmokay then. Thanks anyway @lefttocenter. I’m guessing you were bullshitting about talking with people here.”

You have to give me some time. I had to change my baby niece’s diaper and I’m typing on a tablet.

LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 10:09 PM

Well mmmokay then. Thanks anyway @lefttocenter. I’m guessing you were bullshitting about talking with people here.

hawkdriver on February 12, 2014 at 10:01 PM

Look, the guy has a full time sitting job, don’t stress him out.

antipc on February 12, 2014 at 10:18 PM

LeftoCenter on February 12, 2014 at 10:06 PM

Interesting. What about governmental aid and such. I’m a baby boomer and pretty much retired now. Unless I take a contract for a year more this Spring to fly in GA with an old firm.

Where are you on obamacare and social security and other entitlements?

hawkdriver on February 12, 2014 at 10:44 PM

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