Treasury: Employers must “self-attest” that ObamaCare not behind staffing decisions – under penalty of perjury

posted at 12:41 pm on February 11, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

Old and busted: Businesses will love ObamaCare for its cost savings in health care! New hotness: Businesses had better not make staffing decisions based on cost savings from ObamaCare-fueled price spikes! After its latest delay in implementing the employer mandate, the Obama administration rebuffed criticisms that the law incentivizes employers to shift to part-time work by announcing the Treasury Inquisition — ahem, excuse me, the Treasury Attestation Department:

The latest announcement comes after the administration heard from businesses about their concerns with the looming ObamaCare rules. However, the change is sure to raise more questions about the health and implementation of the law. Fewer workers getting insurance through their employers could mean more individuals on the ObamaCare exchanges seeking subsidized coverage, increasing the cost to taxpayers.

Some lawmakers, though, have claimed that the mere threat of the employer mandate is causing companies to shed full-time workers in the hope of keeping their staff size below 50 and avoiding the requirement.

Administration officials dispute that this is happening on any large scale. Further, Treasury officials said Monday that businesses will be told to “certify” that they are not shedding full-time workers simply to avoid the mandate. Officials said employers will be told to sign a “self-attestation” on their tax forms affirming this, under penalty of perjury.

Officials stressed that the latest reprieve applies to a relatively small percentage of employers — albeit companies that employ millions of workers.

Er … exactly what gives Treasury the authority to demand that kind of pledge, anyway? The law only mandates that employers provide coverage for full-time employees, a status defined by working 30 or more hours a week. It doesn’t contain any authority for Treasury or anyone else to force current full-time employees to stay in that status, nor for the federal government to dictate ratios of full-time/part-time staff.

Gabriel Malor wondered the same thing:

The Obama administration is big on self-attestation, huh? Just ask the Little Sisters of the Poor. They’ve certainly gotten the “bully” part of the bully pulpit in mind these days at the White House.

This seems an opportune time to revisit F. A. Hayek and The Road to Serfdom about the nature of command economies, and the nature of governments that impose them. Hayek supported social insurance programs, but warned that crafting them or anything else in the nature of a command economy would not just guarantee economic failure, but increasing lawlessness, arbitrariness, and tyranny from the government that imposes it as it gets desperate to avoid failure. That cycle appears to be fast-tracked with ObamaCare at Treasury.

My friend Scott Johnson at Power Line recalls the argument well in a rebuttal of a recent column from E. J. Dionne:

As I say, I guess it’s too difficult to actually read Hayek’s Road to Serfdom, or his more complete Constitution of Liberty, to see what his argument actually was, so easier just to go with Judt’s comic book version instead.  In both of his great books, Hayek endorses the principle of social insurance (and even a mandate for everyone to buy health insurance—egad*), but is concerned with the tendency toward making social insurance programs into redistribution programs.  Wow—crazy stuff, I know.  But you can see that Judt’s formula that Hayek opposed “welfare policies of any sort” is flat wrong.

And is Hayek’s broader point that centralized economic planning would lead to tyrannical government really so far-fetched?  The linchpin of Hayek’s argument was that the plans and desires of the statists would require the undermining of the rule of law, because steadily increasing arbitrary power is necessary for their centralized schemes to work.  I wonder whether Dionne has checked in lately with the Little Sisters of the Poor?  Or has taken notice of the IRS harassment of groups opposed to Obama?  I wonder what he makes of Obama’s unilateral executive decisions simply to suspend parts of the health care law that are politically inconvenient?

As for me, I wonder whether Scott expected his argument to be so very well validated in such a short space of time. Of course, no one expects the Treasury Inquisition …


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What part of

“I shall not comply”

is unclear?

LegendHasIt on February 11, 2014 at 12:56 PM

We’re going to have to start doing things like that AND SOON.

ConstantineXI on February 11, 2014 at 1:04 PM

I will not comply because I am a free citizen of the United States, not a subject of its government. I consider non-compliance with this monstrosity and the tens of thousands of pages of regulations that are to be enforced by an unelected bureaucracy, and that have left a gigantic carbon footprint on our environment and the United States Constitution, a duty.

Non-compliance is my executive order, and that order reads in part that I do not recognize any government’s claim on my action or inaction in the marketplace, nor upon any personal information I am unwilling to divulge.

Don’t miss that this new directive excuses the small/medium business owners to provide obama’care’ but now all their employees have to register on their own, for them and families, or pay the penalty. Thank Roberts and obama, profusely.

Schadenfreude on February 11, 2014 at 1:10 PM

Flawlessness

Bmore on February 11, 2014 at 1:11 PM

say you certify that that is the reason. whats the penalty.

I mean a LEGAL penalty

gerrym51 on February 11, 2014 at 1:10 PM

$95 or 1% of income, whichever is higher…for 2015 April and then it goes up…unless you’re a religious type.

Schadenfreude on February 11, 2014 at 1:11 PM

I’m looking forward to election day 2016 when we have to fill out our ballot while a brownshirted dude carrying an AK peers over our shoulder.

You 52%’ers gave us this and I hope one fine day I can thank some of you up close and personal.

Bishop on February 11, 2014 at 1:12 PM

Now you’re beginning to see how Obamacare will be implemented: By way of dictates and threats of imprisonment…

Pest on February 11, 2014 at 1:12 PM

If Adolf Hitler had a son he might not look that much like him, but he would be like Barack Obama.

And I don’t want to hear any idiot screaming “Goodwin’s Law”.

VorDaj on February 11, 2014 at 1:08 PM

Knowledge is the only way you can prevent history from repeating itself.

The left wants to silence those who would bring up such ‘inconvenient facts’

DinaRehn on February 11, 2014 at 1:12 PM

Then don’t do it.

Can Y’all imagine: if a mere 10% of the population “refused to comply” in any way: Even with their newly hired 16,000 IRS Enforcers, they would never be able to catch all and force them to comply.

LegendHasIt on February 11, 2014 at 1:07 PM

That’s why massive civil disobedience will be a necessary part of breaking This Regime.

You can’t impose fascism OVERNIGHT on a country this large with as many people as we have. Especially when we’ve been “free” for centuries.

Just like Obama’s military purge, he’s not let enough time elapse for it to be effective. They have a plan for controlling us too, and it’s called “de-suburbinization” ie: FORCING us into the cities. Again, not long enough for that to be effective yet.

This coup is moving TOO FAR, MUCH TOO FAST for backlash to NOT land the perpetrators in prison (if we are generous). I still say the REASON is George Soros. He’s been trying to collapse America his whole life. He’s old. VERY old. He wants it done before he dies. Hence this INSANELY QUICK push to fascism.

ConstantineXI on February 11, 2014 at 1:12 PM

Take the individual mandate. Secretary Sebelius justified waiving that provision on the inventive theory that the ACA’s intended effect—the elimination of noncompliant health plans—qualifies as a “hardship” under the ACA. This is the legal equivalent of a cat chasing its tail. Elimination of what the law’s backers deride as “garbage plans” was once thought to be a blessing of the ACA, not a hardship. But Ms. Sebelius announced that cancellation-letter recipients need only request an exemption and certify that they “consider other available policies unaffordable.”

Schadenfreude on February 11, 2014 at 1:12 PM

There are statutes that specifically prohibit basic subterfuge to avoid compliance. For example, There are fewer rules around oepn-ended loans than closed-end loans. A mortgage lender cannot structure a mortgage as a open-ended loan just to avoid complying with the myriad rules for closed-ended loans. But this is written in the Truth in Lending Act statute, and there is no attestation required, just a private right of action for enforcment.

The ACA includes no such provision prohibiting an employer from adjusting its number of employees or their status of part-time vs. full time simply to avoid the penalties.

The IRS can ask for all the attestations it wants, but there is nothing it can do with the information, except to illegally harrass the business. I suspect they want to collect the data so they can disprove the notion that the ACA is causing unemployment or a reduction in fulltime hours.

rockmom on February 11, 2014 at 1:14 PM

Then don’t do it.

Can Y’all imagine: if a mere 10% of the population “refused to comply” in any way: Even with their newly hired 16,000 IRS Enforcers, they would never be able to catch all and force them to comply.

LegendHasIt on February 11, 2014 at 1:07 PM

Do NOT comply!!!

Message for all who think like Legend. If they don’t follow the law, you don’t even come close to enabling their shenanigans.

Schadenfreude on February 11, 2014 at 1:15 PM

You knuckle-draggers just can’t take a joke!!!

/libtardordie

CurtZHP on February 11, 2014 at 1:09 PM

Nice!

libfreeordie on February 11, 2014 at 1:09 PM

Right on Que…
And post isn’t unexpected.

Electrongod on February 11, 2014 at 1:15 PM

Does anyone still think we are NOT living in a dictatorship under this administration?!

Sterling Holobyte on February 11, 2014 at 1:15 PM

Some of us will fit many of the categories, will we need to wear multiple patches on our clothing or will there be an “All of the above” patch to cover it?

Bishop on February 11, 2014 at 1:16 PM

Nice!

libfreeordie on February 11, 2014 at 1:09 PM

Right on Que…
And post isn’t unexpected.

Electrongod on February 11, 2014 at 1:15 PM

Quite an abbreviated way to say she’s got nothing with which to defend this.

CurtZHP on February 11, 2014 at 1:17 PM

On what statutory authority Treasury is relying for the certification requirement? http://t.co/qK3kXzK4GK pic.twitter.com/gHS7TbNcYK

— Gabriel Malor (@gabrielmalor) February 11, 2014

Um, Obama’s pants crease. Duh.

Nutstuyu on February 11, 2014 at 1:17 PM

“Just remember people voted in 2012 for this kind of behavior to continue. A majority of Americans want this apparently.”

Kataklysmic on February 11, 2014 at 12:54 PM

This too is my knee jerk reaction to situations like this…however I had an interesting conversation with a small group of recent highschool grads, they had no idea how the ACA even works, they had no idea about the NSA spying scandal, had no clue about Benghazi…and simply supported Obama because they liked him. We are forever lost if we do not take back the education system in America.

Von Kleist on February 11, 2014 at 1:17 PM

Some of us will fit many of the categories, will we need to wear multiple patches on our clothing or will there be an “All of the above” patch to cover it?

Bishop on February 11, 2014 at 1:16 PM

It’s called Flair.

And you will be required to wear 37 pieces..

Electrongod on February 11, 2014 at 1:18 PM

Some of us will fit many of the categories, will we need to wear multiple patches on our clothing or will there be an “All of the above” patch to cover it?
Bishop on February 11, 2014 at 1:16 PM

Such as a yellow Star of David?

ConstantineXI on February 11, 2014 at 1:18 PM

Nice!

libfreeordie on February 11, 2014 at 1:09 PM

Social justice is just right around the corner!

But it’s nice having libfree on the record as a fan of fascism.
But you’d think that as a supposed intellectual progressive he’d be more disturbed by ObamaCare’s robbing the young and poorer to pay the richer older.

gwelf on February 11, 2014 at 1:18 PM

Nice!

libfreeordie on February 11, 2014 at 1:09 PM

Are you familiar with a guy by the name of Niemoller?

I’m kind of surprised you even showed up here.

That, and your comment shows the depth of your stupidity.

cozmo on February 11, 2014 at 1:18 PM

Some of us will fit many of the categories, will we need to wear multiple patches on our clothing or will there be an “All of the above” patch to cover it?

Bishop on February 11, 2014 at 1:16 PM

Yellow Star of David anyone?

Nutstuyu on February 11, 2014 at 1:19 PM

Little slow on the draw, some folks, waiting til now…I cut 7 full time staff 2 years ago, to 48 from 55, precisely for this reason, told the employees exactly why, and the local newspaper as well when they asked why after one of those let go dropped a dime trying to cause trouble…man was I ripped apart in the comments by what must have been a dem operative. I held my ground, kept all the others, gave em each a $600 bonus to cover added health costs.

I did not replace those terminated with part timers…because the ACA will take all those less than 30 hour employees, add up their times in aggregate, and divide by 30 to get a number of “full timers” out of your part timers total annual hours. Unfortunately, no one screams this from the hill tops, and a whole lotta business owner type folks are gonna be surprised.

Now the boy king thinks he can suppress speech…the IRS will come down on any biz brave enough to opine out loud, you can be sure.

F’m all.

9 months to go…the narcissist usurper will be neutered, left to go sulk, and his minions will be cast out.

PatHenry on February 11, 2014 at 1:20 PM

It disgusts me to surmise that this latest outrage will be greeted with a yawn or a shrug or even a “That sounds like a good idea” by many of my fellow citizens.

Drained Brain on February 11, 2014 at 1:20 PM

Quite an abbreviated way to say she’s got nothing with which to defend this.

CurtZHP on February 11, 2014 at 1:17 PM

We’re still waiting on his answer to whether or not Dog Eater has the legal authority to delay DeathCare mandates.

Now he’s got a twofer to answer, we might be waiting a long time.

Bishop on February 11, 2014 at 1:20 PM

Social justice is just right around the corner!
But it’s nice having libfree on the record as a fan of fascism.
But you’d think that as a supposed intellectual progressive he’d be more disturbed by ObamaCare’s robbing the young and poorer to pay the richer older.
gwelf on February 11, 2014 at 1:18 PM

He doesn’t care, because the Democrats are going to be in power FOREVER and that military, which is still conservative will not intervene.

ConstantineXI on February 11, 2014 at 1:20 PM

ConstantineXI on February 11, 2014 at 1:18 PM

Great minds think alike.

Nutstuyu on February 11, 2014 at 1:20 PM

Nice!

libfreeordie on February 11, 2014 at 1:09 PM

You’re gonna have to change that handle.

facistordie fits.

Bitter Clinger on February 11, 2014 at 1:20 PM

The patch will be a large tea bag on top of a large “C”….

d1carter on February 11, 2014 at 1:21 PM

Nice!

libfreeordie on February 11, 2014 at 1:09 PM

How about the treasury redistribute lavish professor pay to the poor in their local communities.
Come on libfree – aren’t you willing to give up anything for the revolution?

gwelf on February 11, 2014 at 1:21 PM

We’re still waiting on his answer to whether or not Dog Eater has the legal authority to delay DeathCare mandates.

Now he’s got a twofer to answer, we might be waiting a long time.

Bishop on February 11, 2014 at 1:20 PM

Boooooooooooooooosh!

and

Booooooooooooooooosh!

gwelf on February 11, 2014 at 1:22 PM

Well after all, Barack Obama, he’s an ordinary freedom grabbing fascist man
Who desires nothing more than an ordinary chance
To make all people live exactly as he wishes, and do precisely what he wants…
An average fascist man is he, of no especially clever whim

Who wants to spy on and dictate everyone else’s life
While he goes golfing or on yet another royal vacation with his parasitic wife
With everyone supinely doing whatever he commands
Well… just an ordinary fascist man is he …

VorDaj on February 11, 2014 at 1:23 PM

This move was not his best and what should have happened is for HHS to have written look-back rules of two years or so and that would solved the problem.

Now, that would have included me as I dropped down to 49 a while back to be safe. Now, the 49 employees I have are covered with group insurance through BCBS as we use Insperity to keep rates somewhat reasonable.

Would a look back rule be a problem for me? Nah, been adapating to tax laws, work rules, regualtions, and so on for 30 years. Just part of doing business.

HonestLib on February 11, 2014 at 1:10 PM

I have no idea what a “look back rule” is (sounds pretty facist to me).

Bitter Clinger on February 11, 2014 at 1:23 PM

There are three things we can do:

1. GENERAL STRIKE
2. MASS CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE
3. MASS PROTESTS IN DC, SURROUND THE SPITE HOUSE AND OTHER GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS.

ConstantineXI on February 11, 2014 at 12:59 PM

No, I mean what litigation can be enjoined, and who has standing – not just for the penalty crime, but for the overall entirely lawless rule. For example, if I am an employer of 101 persons, and the law states 2013 as the statutory mandate for all businesses, do I have standing to sue? If I am an employee of a company of 77 persons and don’t receive health care in conformance with the statutory deadline, can I sue?

The wheels of justice often move slowly but ultimately there will be accountability for this lawless Administration.

What, who, when.

matthew8787 on February 11, 2014 at 1:23 PM

And you will be required to wear 37 pieces..

Electrongod on February 11, 2014 at 1:18 PM

Minimum.

CurtZHP on February 11, 2014 at 1:23 PM

I Pray our Military comes to the Defense of the Republic and arrests an enemy, domestic (and may be foreign) named Barack Hussein Obama.

ConstantineXI on February 11, 2014 at 1:23 PM

See items #6, #21 and etc. on how to NOT comply.

Just make sure the gov’t doesn’t owe you taxes. It’s the only legal way, so far, on them keeping the ‘mandate’.

Btw, the US is the only country in which such a mandate exists.

Long live the USSA, the new and unique fascist heaven on Earth!!!

Schadenfreude on February 11, 2014 at 1:23 PM

I’m looking forward to election day 2016 when we have to fill out our ballot while a brownshirted dude carrying an AK peers over our shoulder.

Bishop on February 11, 2014 at 1:12 PM

Look on the bright side, the lines will move quicker and we’ll know the winner by 8pm! /

I’m really disgusted that Boehner and McConnell have done nothing but whine.

Happy Nomad on February 11, 2014 at 1:24 PM

If the GOP won’t do anything to stop it, they’re just as much to blame as Obamism and his Regime.

Left_is_Wrong on February 11, 2014 at 1:24 PM

Comrade….YA Can’t Be Having Businesses making decisions on cost…. this gubRmint is loaded chocked full of evil goons.PERIOD

roflmmfao

donabernathy on February 11, 2014 at 1:25 PM

No, I mean what litigation can be enjoined, and who has standing – not just for the penalty crime, but for the overall entirely lawless rule. For example, if I am an employer of 101 persons, and the law states 2013 as the statutory mandate for all businesses, do I have standing to sue? If I am an employee of a company of 77 persons and don’t receive health care in conformance with the statutory deadline, can I sue?
The wheels of justice often move slowly but ultimately there will be accountability for this lawless Administration.
What, who, when.
matthew8787 on February 11, 2014 at 1:23 PM

We can’t stop it that way. The institutions are corrupt.

ConstantineXI on February 11, 2014 at 1:25 PM

The IRS has been weaponized against people merely seeking nonprofit status, it would take some seeds to put your family business in Dog Eater’s spotlight over this and watch it dissolve as the federal government crashes down on your head.

Congress should be taking the lead on this but they’ve become poodles, so put your trust and your hope in something or someone else, your government no longer represents you.

Bishop on February 11, 2014 at 1:26 PM

Bishop on February 11, 2014 at 1:26 PM

This…

d1carter on February 11, 2014 at 1:26 PM

your government no longer represents you.

Bishop on February 11, 2014 at 1:26 PM

It NO longer fears its people. They fear the gov’t now.

Schadenfreude on February 11, 2014 at 1:27 PM

There are three things we can do:

1. GENERAL STRIKE
2. MASS CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE
3. MASS PROTESTS IN DC, SURROUND THE SPITE HOUSE AND OTHER GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS.

ConstantineXI on February 11, 2014 at 12:59 PM

Hasn’t the national socialist left told us that people should be ‘free’ to not work

Should those who feed the gaping money maw that is the Feral government have that right as well?

DinaRehn on February 11, 2014 at 1:28 PM

I’m looking forward to election day 2016 when we have to fill out our ballot while a brownshirted dude carrying an AK peers over our shoulder.

You 52%’ers gave us this and I hope one fine day I can thank some of you up close and personal.

Bishop on February 11, 2014 at 1:12 PM

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You do have to admit that a Kalashnikov, with its slower rate/cycle of fire, does sound sweet in the morning.

HonestLib on February 11, 2014 at 1:28 PM

You do have to admit that a Kalashnikov, with its slower rate/cycle of fire, does sound sweet in the morning.

HonestLib on February 11, 2014 at 1:28 PM

We know how to use them.

Schadenfreude on February 11, 2014 at 1:31 PM

your government no longer represents you.
Bishop on February 11, 2014 at 1:26 PM
It NO longer fears its people. They fear the gov’t now.
Schadenfreude on February 11, 2014 at 1:27 PM

Has a fascist coup ever been tried in an industrialized country the size of a continent that has more arms in private hands than government, AND an unbroken tradition of Republic lasting centuries before?

That is why Obama will fail. He’s not been competent at anything else, why would he suddenly become infallible now?

ConstantineXI on February 11, 2014 at 1:32 PM

It’s becoming quite clear that this gubRmint is the biggest terrorist EVAH….. may your chains rest lightly on your ankles & neck.

eodlmmfao

donabernathy on February 11, 2014 at 1:33 PM

So now the laws of economics are illegal?

Ellis on February 11, 2014 at 1:33 PM

You do have to admit that a Kalashnikov, with its slower rate/cycle of fire, does sound sweet in the morning.

HonestLib on February 11, 2014 at 1:28 PM

But the screams of those being executed for voting incorrectly ruins it all.

Whatever, a few eggs need to be broken in order to enact Hope and Change, yes?

Lean Forward, right into the grave.

Bishop on February 11, 2014 at 1:35 PM

There are three things we can do:

1. GENERAL STRIKE
2. MASS CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE
3. MASS PROTESTS IN DC, SURROUND THE SPITE HOUSE AND OTHER GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS.

ConstantineXI on February 11, 2014 at 12:59 PM

Yep, it’s time to let the government know, If you like your effing laws, you can shove your effing laws.

antipc on February 11, 2014 at 1:36 PM

As President, I can do what I want………………

d1carter on February 11, 2014 at 1:39 PM

I work for a very large corporation, and I have already been told that when the full-time person who works for me quits, that her position will go to part-time. I know it’s because of Obamacare, yet that position has been restructured where it takes less time, so they can justify it going to part-time without mentioning Obamacare.

lea on February 11, 2014 at 1:39 PM

If Adolf Hitler had a son he might not look that much like him, but he would be like Barack Obama.

And I don’t want to hear any idiot screaming “Goodwin’s Law”.

VorDaj on February 11, 2014 at 1:08 PM

But one already did…

libfreeordie on February 11, 2014 at 1:39 PM

You do have to admit that a Kalashnikov, with its slower rate/cycle of fire, does sound sweet in the morning.

HonestLib on February 11, 2014 at 1:28 PM
We know how to use them.

Schadenfreude on February 11, 2014 at 1:31 PM

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Not saying this as a challenge, as a long time Class III collector I know from experience the sound. Also, like the M14 with it also being 7.62.

HonestLib on February 11, 2014 at 1:39 PM

Sorry to be wandering off topic, but if you really want to witness a troll feeding frenzy and the cess-pool that is Disqus, take a look at the comment thread for this story:

Krauthammer on Obamacare employer mandate delay: “This is stuff you do in a banana republic”
http://therightscoop.com/krauthammer-on-obamacare-employer-mandate-delay-this-is-stuff-you-do-in-a-banana-republic/

BTW, did I mention that I despise Disqus and pray that Hot Gas never – repeat- never adopts that commenting system?

DinaRehn on February 11, 2014 at 1:40 PM

Ok, Saturday Night Live couldn’t even come up with this $hit!

Obama appoints a top donor to investigate his using the IRS to CONTINUE to punish his political enemies – Conservatives & the TEA Party! Now THIS?!

Today he announced he is delaying the Obamacare mandate foir companies with over 50 employees…which means he just violated the Constitution AGAIN by re-writing Obamacare, ILLEGALLY going around Congress to do so.

Obama is not only destroyying this country but making a mockery of our history tradition, Law, and Constitution while he is doing it.

And when is the gutless & partisan Sons of B!t@hes that took a solemn oath of office to defend the Rule of Law & Constitution from enemies foreign & domestic – like Obama – going to finally stand up and say , “ENOUGH’ and move to Impeach his @$$?!

easyt65 on February 11, 2014 at 1:40 PM

But the screams of those being executed for voting incorrectly ruins it all.

Bishop on February 11, 2014 at 1:35 PM

They bring packs of ravenous dogs to the vote-this-way centers?

antipc on February 11, 2014 at 1:40 PM

When is it ever a crime for politicians to lie to the American people?

JellyToast on February 11, 2014 at 1:41 PM

Its pretty funny that nobody even talks about impeaching him anymore. Where is the backbone?

iaf251 on February 11, 2014 at 1:42 PM

libfreeordie on February 11, 2014 at 1:39 PM

If Obama doesn’t feel the need to follow the rules, why should the rest of us?

Don’t you agree N’est-ce pas?

DinaRehn on February 11, 2014 at 1:42 PM

I can tell you that there is NO legal authority for this. An employer can make any economic decision he or she wishes based upon obamacare.

Ta111 on February 11, 2014 at 1:43 PM

Flawlessness

Bmore on February 11, 2014 at 1:11 PM

Without even thinking about it. I like it best when it just happens :)

Cheers my bud.

Schadenfreude on February 11, 2014 at 1:43 PM

When is it ever a crime for politicians to lie to the American people?

JellyToast on February 11, 2014 at 1:41 PM

Lying isn’t a crime…

Violating the Constitution like Obama has more than 2,500 times by ammending a law by going around Congress to do so IS Illegal – a direct violation of the Separation of Powers Act!

Appointing your ‘best bud’ to hold a phony investigation, after Congress has already proven crimes / Perjury, and claim nothing happened is highly illegal / immoral / unethical. Most of what Obama has done was born in the bowels of Socialism and are direct violations of both the Rule of Law and the Constitution!

easyt65 on February 11, 2014 at 1:43 PM

This is not the America I grew-up in.

lel2007 on February 11, 2014 at 1:44 PM

But the screams of those being executed for voting incorrectly ruins it all.

Whatever, a few eggs need to be broken in order to enact Hope and Change, yes?

Lean Forward, right into the grave.

Bishop on February 11, 2014 at 1:35 PM

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You are one sharp dude and I ain’t equipped to deal with your wit and snark, thus I will just bow and admire. Like I have said many times, ACA was a terrible law now being implemented by dolts.

HonestLib on February 11, 2014 at 1:44 PM

Aside from the complete lawlessness of this decision and the threat to society that a president repeatedly altering the “law of the land” ( as its supporters describe it) at will poses, this type of regulation opens the door to selective enforcement and abuse for political purposes. Not that anyone in the Obama crew would do anything like that.

novaculus on February 11, 2014 at 1:45 PM

You do have to admit that a Kalashnikov, with its slower rate/cycle of fire, does sound sweet in the morning.

HonestLib on February 11, 2014 at 1:28 PM

Ah, but the AR platform with it’s adaptability and smaller round is much more accessible to everyone no matter their sex.

DinaRehn on February 11, 2014 at 1:46 PM

Then don’t do it.

Can Y’all imagine: if a mere 10% of the population “refused to comply” in any way: Even with their newly hired 16,000 IRS Enforcers, they would never be able to catch all and force them to comply.

LegendHasIt on February 11, 2014 at 1:07 PM

Do NOT comply!!!

Message for all who think like Legend. If they don’t follow the law, you don’t even come close to enabling their shenanigans.

Schadenfreude on February 11, 2014 at 1:15 PM

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When over HALF the people affected by the new Connecticut AR-15 registration law are willfuly NOT COMPLYING … then it’s certain the Leftists have BADLY miscalculated:

Untold Thousands Flout Gun Registration Law

Everyone knew there would be some gun owners flouting the law that legislators hurriedly passed last April, requiring residents to register all military-style rifles with state police by Dec. 31.

But few thought the figures would be this bad.

By the end of 2013, state police had received 47,916 applications for assault weapons certificates, Lt. Paul Vance said. An additional 2,100 that were incomplete could still come in.

That 50,000 figure could be as little as 15 percent of the rifles classified as assault weapons owned by Connecticut residents, according to estimates by people in the industry, including the Newtown-based National Shooting Sports Foundation. No one has anything close to definitive figures, but the most conservative estimates place the number of unregistered assault weapons well above 50,000, and perhaps as high as 350,000.

And that means as of Jan. 1, Connecticut has very likely created tens of thousands of newly minted criminals — perhaps 100,000 people, almost certainly at least 20,000 — who have broken no other laws. By owning unregistered guns defined as assault weapons, all of them are committing Class D felonies.

“I honestly thought from my own standpoint that the vast majority would register,” said Sen. Tony Guglielmo, R-Stafford, the ranking GOP senator on the legislature’s public safety committee. “If you pass laws that people have no respect for and they don’t follow them, then you have a real problem.”

The problem could explode if Connecticut officials decide to compare the list of people who underwent background checks to buy military-style rifles in the past, to the list of those who registered in 2013. Do they still own those guns? The state might want to know.

“A lot of it is just a question to ask, and I think the firearms unit would be looking at it,” said Mike Lawlor, the state’s top official in criminal justice. “They could send them a letter.”

An aggressive hunt isn’t going to happen, Lawlor said, but even the idea of letters is a scary thought considering thousands of people are now in an uncomfortable position. At the least, the legislature should reopen the registration period this year with an outreach campaign designed to boost the numbers.

It could be a tough sell. On Thursday night, Guglielmo heard from a constituent at a meeting in Ashford, who said most of his friends with military-style rifles such as AR-15s had not come forward.

“He made the analogy to prohibition,” Guglielmo said. “I said, ‘You’re talking about civil disobedience, and he said ‘Yes.’ ”

But it’s not just refusers. A reopened registration would help many who failed to come forward out of ignorance.

“There are a lot of people, they just do not know about this law,” said Scott Wilson, president of the 12,000-member Connecticut Citizens Defense League, a Second Amendment advocacy group. “There are people finding out now after the fact.”

The law was widely covered in the media and Wilson said his group sent information to its members. But gun owners can be an independent bunch.

Guglielmo, who voted against the sweeping gun control bill, said he intends to raise the concern at the next meeting of the public safety committee. Lawlor said Gov. Dannel P. Malloy’s administration is willing to talk about solutions.

But Lawlor, an undersecretary in the state Office of Policy and Management, said that even if many thousands of guns remain unregistered and are now illegal, the law is not necessarily failing at its goal.

“Like anything else, people who violate the law face consequences. … that’s their decision. The consequences are pretty clear. …There’s nothing unique about this,” Lawlor said. “The goal is to have fewer of these types of weapons in circulation.”

PolAgnostic on February 11, 2014 at 1:47 PM

Don’t you agree N’est-ce pas?

DinaRehn on February 11, 2014 at 1:42 PM

To ask if don’t agree and to ask “isn’t it so” in the same sentence is redundant. Unless you’re auditing for the role of Princess Bavorshky (a new character in your your small town play version of War and Peace) keep the dropped french idioms to yourself, k?

libfreeordie on February 11, 2014 at 1:47 PM

Notice the French grammar nazi has nothing to say regarding the meat of what Dina said?

CurtZHP on February 11, 2014 at 1:49 PM

Like I have said many times, ACA was a terrible law now being implemented by dolts.

HonestLib on February 11, 2014 at 1:44 PM

It was passed in 2010, in 2012 you voted for the guy who made it his signature issue; there’s no hiding from that.

Take heart though, when you willingly pull the lever for Killary in 2016 you can do so knowing that this time, THIS TIME, all the same stupid ideas will work because the right person has promised they will.

Bishop on February 11, 2014 at 1:49 PM

ACA was a terrible law now being implemented by dolts.

HonestLib on February 11, 2014 at 1:44 PM

But it’s not implemented. It’s post-poned for all the political reasons. If it were good it would need no propaganda, and you know this. Why you’re an honest lib, a true dichotomy.

It is known here that I don’t ever try to convert people. That is up to each their own.

However, why on Earth are you a Lib? I asked you the other day if you are Libertarian or “Liberal”. Also, we are the true liberals. The leftist thugs are fascist leftists.

Schadenfreude on February 11, 2014 at 1:49 PM

You know….

Obamacare is a tax, right? The Right Honorable Chief Justice John Roberts said so, and everyone agrees.

It’s long settled law that the citizenry are allowed to reduce their tax burden as much as possible; it’s not illegal or immoral to pay less in taxes.

So why can’t we resist Obamacare? Just like resisting any other tax?

Vanceone on February 11, 2014 at 1:50 PM

Well, I don’t see how it’s even remotely enforceable. I doubt this would stand even in the kangaroo court system of the modern USA.

Paperclips on February 11, 2014 at 1:50 PM

To ask if don’t agree and to ask “isn’t it so” in the same sentence is redundant. Unless you’re auditing for the role of Princess Bavorshky (a new character in your your small town play version of War and Peace) keep the dropped french idioms to yourself, k?

libfreeordie on February 11, 2014 at 1:47 PM

Only if you agree to keep your facism and racism to yourself, k?

Bitter Clinger on February 11, 2014 at 1:50 PM

Don’t you agree N’est-ce pas?

DinaRehn on February 11, 2014 at 1:42 PM

To ask if don’t agree and to ask “isn’t it so” in the same sentence is redundant. Unless you’re auditing for the role of Princess Bavorshky (a new character in your your small town play version of War and Peace) keep the dropped french idioms to yourself, k?

libfreeordie on February 11, 2014 at 1:47 PM

Don’t ever use math either because libfree is a whiz at that too.

What part of “the federal government pays 100% of the costs and the state pays 10% of the cost in ten years” do you not understand?

libfreeordie on August 28, 2013 at 3:13 PM

Bishop on February 11, 2014 at 1:52 PM

We’re still waiting on his answer to whether or not Dog Eater has the legal authority to delay DeathCare mandates.

Now he’s got a twofer to answer, we might be waiting a long time.

Bishop on February 11, 2014 at 1:20 PM

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This one I can answer without fear.

Short answer…NO.

HonestLib on February 11, 2014 at 1:52 PM

Good job guys.

Libfree is reduced to defending French grammar in the face of fascism.

gwelf on February 11, 2014 at 1:52 PM

I Pray our Military comes to the Defense of the Republic and arrests an enemy, domestic (and may be foreign) named Barack Hussein Obama.

ConstantineXI on February 11, 2014 at 1:23 PM

The generals who run the military are up Obama’s arse and are his praetorian guard now.

VorDaj on February 11, 2014 at 1:53 PM

So, here’s my question: if ObamaCare allowing people to *choose* not to work full time is a good thing, shouldn’t it also be a good thing if employers *choose* not to have as many full-time employees because of ObamaCare?

OrbeaRider66 on February 11, 2014 at 1:53 PM

libfreeordie on February 11, 2014 at 1:47 PM

Can you actually answer a question for once:

If Obama doesn’t feel the need to follow the rules, why should the rest of us?

I’ll say that’s a Yes-No answer to cut out the barack speak answer cycle.

DinaRehn on February 11, 2014 at 1:54 PM

“YOU DIDN’T BUILD THAT BUSINESS”

RoFlMmFaO

donabernathy on February 11, 2014 at 1:54 PM

So what types of things does a business have left with regards to staffing decisions?

Obamacare impact
Competence
Abilities of worker [thanks to affirmative action]
Management direction

How long until we go to the Dept of Labor to get our monthly “labor allotment?”

Effay5 on February 11, 2014 at 1:54 PM

Bishop on February 11, 2014 at 1:52 PM

Ha ha ha ha.

Libfree should also desist in claiming he makes factual statements.

He has great difficulty making factual statements.
Even about areas in which he has a supposed advanced degree of expertise.

gwelf on February 11, 2014 at 1:55 PM

keep the dropped french idioms to yourself, k?

libfreeordie on February 11, 2014 at 1:47 PM

Says the leftist erudite? How je ne sais quoi of you.

You’re almost as common as the obamas now :)

Schadenfreude on February 11, 2014 at 1:55 PM

Notice the French grammar nazi has nothing to say regarding the meat of what Dina said?

CurtZHP on February 11, 2014 at 1:49 PM

Imagine our affirmative action perfesser lecturing anyone here on proper grammar.

slickwillie2001 on February 11, 2014 at 1:56 PM

But one already did…

libfreeordie on February 11, 2014 at 1:39 PM

You learn nothing and understand nothing and I doubt you will ever change.

VorDaj on February 11, 2014 at 1:56 PM

he has a supposed advanced degree of expertise.

gwelf on February 11, 2014 at 1:55 PM

Hued gayness?

Schadenfreude on February 11, 2014 at 1:56 PM

Just remember to adjust your withholding to avoid receiving an income tax refund. There is no other enforcement device for the individual. Molon Labe.

brindle on February 11, 2014 at 1:57 PM

You learn nothing and understand nothing and I doubt you will ever change.

VorDaj on February 11, 2014 at 1:56 PM

Because he’s the antithesis of Hope ‘n Change.

Schadenfreude on February 11, 2014 at 1:57 PM

Just remember to adjust your withholding to avoid receiving an income tax refund. There is no other enforcement device for the individual(yet). Molon Labe.

brindle on February 11, 2014 at 1:57 PM


Yet
is the key word.

Schadenfreude on February 11, 2014 at 1:58 PM

Pull a Hillary and plead the fifth amendment en masses.

Don L on February 11, 2014 at 1:58 PM

If Obama doesn’t feel the need to follow the rules, why should the rest of us?

I’ll say that’s a Yes-No answer to cut out the barack speak answer cycle.

DinaRehn on February 11, 2014 at 1:54 PM

The premise of your question is that this is an egalitarian society, where the law applies equally to everyone. It is therefore a flawed question and can’t be answered.

libfreeordie on February 11, 2014 at 1:58 PM

Ah, but the AR platform with it’s adaptability and smaller round is much more accessible to everyone no matter their sex.

DinaRehn on February 11, 2014 at 1:46 PM
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Own many rifles I built using the AR platform and like them all. Been hard lately to find assemblies I like at a price I will pay. Never had a beef with the 5.56 and a lot easier to hump due to lower weight. Used to hump a HK91 and that dude was heavy.

HonestLib on February 11, 2014 at 1:59 PM

But the screams of those being executed for voting incorrectly ruins it all.

Whatever, a few eggs need to be broken in order to enact Hope and Change, yes?

Lean Forward, right into the grave.

Bishop on February 11, 2014 at 1:35 PM

Over 100 million eggs were broken in the last century trying to make the Soviet and Chinese communist omlettes.

How many millions more to make the Obamist one?

That’s the only question now.

ConstantineXI on February 11, 2014 at 2:00 PM

The premise of your question is that this is an egalitarian society, where the law applies equally to everyone. It is therefore a flawed question and can’t be answered.

libfreeordie on February 11, 2014 at 1:58 PM

Free thyself, eternal slave. It is, except for the 1%rs, whom you so despise, unless they are the obamas and their cronies. Find a mirror.

Schadenfreude on February 11, 2014 at 2:00 PM

What will it take for the Republican leadership to say enough is enough? What would the Democrats in this administration have to do for the Republican leadership to stand up for the rule of law, the American people and the constitution? Can anything wake Boehner?

I mean.. if tomorrow Obama strolled out onto the west wing balcony and Biden placed a gold crown on his head and proclaimed him President for life.. would that stir anything within the GOP leadership? Would Chris Christie or McCain condemn Obama in any meaningful way?

JellyToast on February 11, 2014 at 2:00 PM

Notice the French grammar nazi has nothing to say regarding the meat of what Dina said?

CurtZHP on February 11, 2014 at 1:49 PM

That’s de rigueur the national socialist set.

Bet you that libfreeordie is really hoping that Disqus gets it act back together soon so I may go somewhere else.

Did I mention that Disqus sucks?

DinaRehn on February 11, 2014 at 2:01 PM

I’m looking forward to election day 2016 when we have to fill out our ballot while a brownshirted dude carrying an AK peers over our shoulder.

You 52%’ers gave us this and I hope one fine day I can thank some of you up close and personal.

Bishop on February 11, 2014 at 1:12 PM

You do have to admit that a Kalashnikov, with its slower rate/cycle of fire, does sound sweet in the morning.

HonestLib on February 11, 2014 at 1:28 PM

I have my own AK and AR with which to peer back at them.

And the AK has a stonger concussion and larger flame front out the barrel from the shot, but that’s mainly because it’s a short barrel Draco….

dentarthurdent on February 11, 2014 at 2:01 PM

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