New GOP debt-ceiling demand: undo military pension cuts, extend sequester; Update: Abandoned?

posted at 8:41 am on February 11, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

After weeks of dithering and dissent on what to demand in debt-ceiling negotiations, House Republicans have apparently settled on their big ask. They want to reverse cuts made to military pensions and an extension of other sequester cuts to balance those restored contributions, a move designed to quell anger among conservatives for having voted to pass the pension cuts in the first place. Will it work?

Does it ever?

House Republican leaders spent Monday trying to finalize a plan to increase the Treasury’s borrowing authority and avoid a federal default by urging GOP lawmakers to rally behind a proposal that ties a debt-ceiling increase to a plan to restore full pension benefits for some military veterans.

House Speaker John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) called a “special conference meeting” in the Capitol basement, trying to find the right policy mix that would attract enough Republican and Democratic support for the measure to be approved, possibly as soon as Wednesday. …

Despite the uncertain fate, Boehner’s team moved ahead with the option linking a restoration of recently cut military pension benefits to a one-year extension of the Treasury’s borrowing authority. The cost of restoring that cut to military pensions, about $7 billion, would be offset by an extension, by one year, of planned automatic spending cuts to entitlement programs.

Republicans have been trying to finish the plan before the House adjourns Wednesday for a nearly two-week break. That would keep them from bumping up against the Feb. 27 date that Treasury Secretary Jack Lew has set as the deadline for Congress to increase his borrowing authority or risk a default on the more than $17 trillion in federal debt.

This would be a lot more impressive if (a) Republicans hadn’t had to spend weeks trying to figure out what “principled” position they would take on a debt-ceiling-hike compromise, (b) if the “principled” position was one they hadn’t voted against already, and (c) anyone thought the GOP would let the debt ceiling be exceeded. The GOP leadership in both chambers voted to cut those pensions already and lessen the strictures of the sequester in the last budget negotiation. This isn’t a principled stand as much as it is an attempt to relitigate that negotiation and to shift blame for unpopular spending choices from last month with their base.

And even that might have worked, except that no one thinks the GOP will allow the government to blow through a debt ceiling. They backed down every time this particular issue has reached the brink, and there’s a lot less reason to stand fast now than before. Besides, this is a dumb fight, and everyone knows it. The debt ceiling is a mere consequence to the budget, and Republicans have already voted for huge swaths of deficit spending in FY2014 and will again for FY2015 — and that means they have already authorized all of the spending, and not just that covered by federal revenues. Treating the debt ceiling as a separate issue is not just playing with fiscal fire, it’s intellectually dishonest.

Even some of the biggest budget hawks have had enough of it, too:

Buoying Boehner’s chances is the fact that some of the House’s most ardent conservatives who have opposed increasing the debt ceiling in the past are signaling that they recognize a fight is futile.

Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., told the Washington Post Wednesday, “There is a pragmatism here…You’ve got to know when to hold them and when to fold them. My assessment is that most of us don’t think it’s the time to fight.”

Rep. Raul Labrador, R-Idaho, suggested that the best route for the party is to let Democrats bear the brunt of the responsibility in extending borrowing authority, and also the brunt of the blame.

Adding to the sense of urgency is the fact that the House just a handful of working days before Feb. 27, the last day that the Treasury Department’s “extraordinary measures” will allow the U.S. to continue meeting its financial obligations. Lawmakers leave town Wednesday evening for a state work period and won’t return until Feb. 25, just two days before the deadline.

It would be great to restore the contributions to military pensions, which shouldn’t have been cut in the first place, and extend the sequester after the retreat last month. Senate Democrats seem open to the first part of that formulation, with a test vote passing unanimously yesterday. But don’t expect Democrats to accept that as part of a debt-ceiling deal, and don’t expect Republicans to hold out for very long on this big ask.

Update: Wiser heads may have prevailed:

Really, why delay the inevitable? The military-pension issue is a good standalone fight anyway.


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“That’s the good thing as a President, I can do whatever I want” he quipped, walking to the terrace with his guest and Ms. Bowman.

No blog post for this one yet? Really?

It blows everything else out of the water.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on February 11, 2014 at 8:44 AM

I don’t think anyone cares about the GOP’s demands. They’re meaningless.

p0s3r on February 11, 2014 at 8:45 AM

Boehner to cave on this in 3, 2, 1, . . .

rbj on February 11, 2014 at 8:46 AM

Emperor Hussein I: “I do what I want”

ConstantineXI on February 11, 2014 at 8:47 AM

Why doesn’t Premier Obama just declare that there is no debt ceiling?

forest on February 11, 2014 at 8:47 AM

Should be interesting to see how these debt ceiling negotiations go a year from now when the GOP controls both chambers of Congress. Why do I have a sneaking suspicion that we’ll routinely see a majority of Dems and a handful of Republicans voting to increase it with no offsets in spending?

Doughboy on February 11, 2014 at 8:48 AM

If you’re going to play chicken, you need to do it with something that is populist (e.g., the risk corridor).

blammm on February 11, 2014 at 8:51 AM

Why doesn’t Premier Obama just declare that there is no debt ceiling?
forest on February 11, 2014 at 8:47 AM

Why not? He’s already declared there is no Congress.

ConstantineXI on February 11, 2014 at 8:52 AM

My assessment is that most of us don’t think it’s the time to fight.”

Great. So when DO you plan on fighting, when the issue is whether or not to approve Pelosi’s request for funding to reupholster the Congressional dining room chairs?

You spineless jackalopes are busy sending us all to hell because you’re afraid of the optics, there won’t be any optics when the system collapses.

Bishop on February 11, 2014 at 8:55 AM

These morons are still doing business as usual while we are rapidly becoming a marxist dictatorship. I guess they think if they go along they’ll be allowed to keep their gravy.

crankyoldlady on February 11, 2014 at 9:02 AM

Why doesn’t Premier Obama just declare that there is no debt ceiling?

forest on February 11, 2014 at 8:47 AM

You joke, but that idea’s been floated around in the past(along with the insane trillion dollar coin proposal). The only reason Obama hasn’t done it yet is that when push comes to shove, the GOP caves every time.

Doughboy on February 11, 2014 at 9:03 AM

Why doesn’t Premier Obama just declare that there is no debt ceiling?

forest on February 11, 2014 at 8:47 AM

Because it’s a handy little weapon that allows the media to highlight a weak Republican leadership.

antipc on February 11, 2014 at 9:05 AM

Extend the sequester.

Add 1% cuts to everything (including military pensions). If we can’t agree, cut everything by 1%.

talkingpoints on February 11, 2014 at 9:07 AM

My assessment is that most of us don’t think it’s the time to fight back.

Finished it for you Michele.

antipc on February 11, 2014 at 9:11 AM

This is an old tactic: cut the indispensable or popular program so that you can say you’ve saved money, knowing full well you’ll restore it later. Not just the military pension cuts. They expected to have the sequester repealed by now, but things didn’t quite work out.

Fenris on February 11, 2014 at 9:12 AM

These morons are still doing business as usual while we are rapidly becoming a marxist dictatorship. I guess they think if they go along they’ll be allowed to keep their gravy.
crankyoldlady on February 11, 2014 at 9:02 AM

Rome kept its Senate long after Caesar rendered it meaningless. It even survived the collapse of the Western Empire for centuries.

ConstantineXI on February 11, 2014 at 9:14 AM

If 30% of your “budget” each year is borrowed money, fighting over the debt ceiling just makes you look foolish when everyone knows you will cave.

It comes across as hypocritical posturing, because it is.

Mord on February 11, 2014 at 9:17 AM

Great. So when DO you plan on fighting, when the issue is whether or not to approve Pelosi’s request for funding to reupholster the Congressional dining room chairs?

You spineless jackalopes are busy sending us all to hell because you’re afraid of the optics, there won’t be any optics when the system collapses.

Bishop on February 11, 2014 at 8:55 AM

We will fight as soon as I empty this box of Kleenex
-John Boehner

Gatsu on February 11, 2014 at 9:17 AM

Why doesn’t Premier Obama just declare that there is no debt ceiling?

forest on February 11, 2014 at 8:47 AM

Because it’s a handy little weapon that allows the media to highlight a weak Republican leadership.

antipc on February 11, 2014 at 9:05 AM

I guess it is more valuable as a club. Might as well accuse Republicans of shoving granny off the cliff for a couple weeks before cashing in.

forest on February 11, 2014 at 9:18 AM

Should be interesting to see how these debt ceiling negotiations go a year from now when the GOP controls both chambers of Congress.

Doughboy on February 11, 2014 at 8:48 AM

Counting unhatched chickens, are we? I have a nagging feeling that many conservatives are going to wake up very surprised on the morning after the election. Of course, after this administration’s tyranny and incompetence, there should be a conservative resurgence, but I just don’t see much real evidence of one. I see what William Butler Yeats saw in a different time: “The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity.” “Passionate intensity” is not a term that springs to mind when I look at the current Republican party. Hope I’m wrong, but I’m not nearly as certain about this year’s election as some seem to be. America has changed too much in the last decades.

SacredFire on February 11, 2014 at 9:18 AM

Bottom-line; will Republicans vote to not pay for spending they’ve already authorized?

Yeah that’s what I thought- me neither.

This is merely a consequence of the foolish positions “leadership” has taken on the budget, military pension pay cuts and bloated stupidity like the farm bill.

This is government by the Marx Brothers and Boehner is Groucho.

What differentiates Republicans from Democrats on spending?

Let me know when you have an answer. I’ll be here for the rest of the century waiting.

Marcus Traianus on February 11, 2014 at 9:19 AM

Why are we referring to the sequester as a spending cut? Isn’t it just a reduction in the rate of growth?

thunderhorse on February 11, 2014 at 9:20 AM

The most important thing, the Republican party needs to do, is assert itself as the House of Representatives, the place where all spending originates. Right now, you have a President of the United States who is ignoring the Constitution and making and changing laws. THe House should be using the debt ceiling to reign him in and they should be doing that now, before the Democrats have a plan to make it look like everything being done is normal.

The House needs to put the Senate on record as authorizing the President to do this stuff. If the House does nothing, they’re part of the problem.

bflat879 on February 11, 2014 at 9:20 AM

So these people change course on an important policy question, after spending days barking at the critics of said course, thereby contradicting themselves in matter of weeks and all that only to fold in the end, pass a clean bill – as we all know they will – and look like defeated, useless weaklings?

Do they want to hand the president another victory? Do they actually want to anger their own base?

Boehner cannot remain Speaker, the man is utterly inept.

Valkyriepundit on February 11, 2014 at 9:21 AM

I get the sense that the Republican Congresscritters have lost all their fight. If this were The Walking Dead, they’d just let the zombies get them.

Perhaps it is time for them all to be shown the wisdom of retiring their seats and getting somebody who is willing to make a real principled stand- not the kind of crap that Boehner and the surrender weasels stand for.

Happy Nomad on February 11, 2014 at 9:22 AM

I wonder where I put my pitchfork.

We can no longer save ourselves as long as there is no one in congress to represent us.

crankyoldlady on February 11, 2014 at 9:22 AM

Why are we referring to the sequester as a spending cut? Isn’t it just a reduction in the rate of growth?

thunderhorse on February 11, 2014 at 9:20 AM

Growth as in a tumor, not growth as in getting stronger and healthier, so yeah.

But no big deal really, apparently a deficit in numbers that can’t really even be imagined is good thing these days.

Bishop on February 11, 2014 at 9:24 AM

Despite the uncertain fate, Boehner’s team moved ahead with the option linking a restoration of recently cut military pension benefits to a one-year extension of the Treasury’s borrowing authority.

We were told everyone had to vote for the Murray-Ryan budget deal even though they knew these cuts were in there. Many Democrats said that they would take up changing it immediately after Murray-Ryan was passed. We were lied to…again.

I can remember this easily, how can the media now do a 180 and push this as part of the debt ceiling?
Politicians of both sides promised to fix this immediately after passing the Murray-Ryan budget. They failed, and face zero consequences. Yay America!

airupthere on February 11, 2014 at 9:25 AM

Why are we referring to the sequester as a spending cut? Isn’t it just a reduction in the rate of growth?

thunderhorse on February 11, 2014 at 9:20 AM

Yes but even that “draconian” act was far more than had been done before. It’s personal with me but the looting of military retirements should have never been on the table and there will be a special place in hell for his attack on vets (even as he signed off on tax credits for illegals). When challenged on it, Ryan got defensive and all but said that the vets didn’t deserve what they had been promised.

Happy Nomad on February 11, 2014 at 9:26 AM

… yuk, yuk, yuk …

GodlessCommie on February 11, 2014 at 9:26 AM

…The House needs to put the Senate on record as authorizing the President to do this stuff. If the House does nothing, they’re part of the problem.

bflat879 on February 11, 2014 at 9:20 AM

I’m going to go with: part of the problem.

Fenris on February 11, 2014 at 9:26 AM

…When challenged on it, Ryan got defensive and all but said that the vets didn’t deserve what they had been promised.

Happy Nomad on February 11, 2014 at 9:26 AM

But I suspect he thinks he’s earning his keep.

Fenris on February 11, 2014 at 9:29 AM

If the house was serious about fixing things they would defund. They have a lot of power that way. Why aren’t they doing it?

crankyoldlady on February 11, 2014 at 9:30 AM

Why do they even bother? The GOP has the spine of Gumby. I don’t know whatever mileage they feel that they’re getting by talking tough. Nobody’s fooled.

307wolverine on February 11, 2014 at 9:31 AM

Wouldn’t a prerequisite for any “new GOP debt-ceiling demand” be a united front? This means an end to the demonizing of tea party types, both in and out of Congress. Pick something, anything, link arms, and march forward.

ncinca on February 11, 2014 at 9:32 AM

If the house was serious about fixing things they would defund. They have a lot of power that way. Why aren’t they doing it?

crankyoldlady on February 11, 2014 at 9:30 AM

Gutless

Flora Duh on February 11, 2014 at 9:32 AM

But I suspect he thinks he’s earning his keep.

Fenris on February 11, 2014 at 9:29 AM

He gave away the store to the Dems. But yeah, in his world, he probably thinks he did a good thing by coming to an agreement with the Dems.

Happy Nomad on February 11, 2014 at 9:33 AM

Happy Nomad on February 11, 2014 at 9:26 AM

Men and women facing down savages whose acts would have appalled the Einsatzgruppen but they don’t deserve what they were promised when they come home.

Ryan can pound sand, I’d say the entire Sahara would do, and I’ll provide the hammer gratis.

Bishop on February 11, 2014 at 9:37 AM

Nice tactic here.

1. Pass a bill that requires all puppies and kittnes to be killed.
2. Wait for public outrage
3. Pair a spending increase authorization bill to a bill to eliminate the “puppy and kitten killing” bill
4. All rejoice!

Megyn Kellys Lipstick on February 11, 2014 at 9:39 AM

Wiser heads may have prevailed:

Exactly. I’m sick and tired of the GOP even attempting to stand against the demorats, it’s time they held hands openly and kicked all of us in the teeth together.

Bishop on February 11, 2014 at 9:46 AM

Hey, we don’t want Chicken Hawk Paul Ryan go a day without disrespecting million of veterans. The tone of these guy is clueless. Do they realize how many veterans are in swing states? That they are turning veterans and their families to ex-republicans? These guys voted for war twice, didn’t pay for it, and now are trashing veterans in favor of big entitlement expansion for illegal immigrants?

Is this the recipe for a 2014 grassroots victory?

TAARP on February 11, 2014 at 9:47 AM

Somebody create a photo of congress people with wiser heads. They would be shown with no heads.

crankyoldlady on February 11, 2014 at 9:50 AM

I have no party anymore.

The GOP is against me on policy, and they’re politically stupid.

SAMinVA on February 11, 2014 at 9:50 AM

Do we know how many conservatives there are in congress? I would like someone to assemble a list. Or on the other side a list of weasels so we can go after them. But we need to know who to support.

crankyoldlady on February 11, 2014 at 9:53 AM

Really, why delay the inevitable? The military-pension issue is a good standalone fight anyway.

Sure, in the word of our illustrious Sec of State, they can say “I was for it before I was against it”.

Fenris on February 11, 2014 at 9:53 AM

Boehner provides plenty of laughs for the Democrats and Obama.

albill on February 11, 2014 at 9:54 AM

Wouldn’t a prerequisite for any “new GOP debt-ceiling demand” be a united front? This means an end to the demonizing of tea party types, both in and out of Congress. Pick something, anything, link arms, and march forward.

ncinca on February 11, 2014 at 9:32 AM

It seems that conservatives and TEA party types are the most popular targets for those from outside and within the GOP. What will it take for a groundswell to gain traction? Cruz, Gowdy, Scott, Paul, others have fight, but the existing inertia is astounding. The GOPe dinosaurs need to cede ground to principled and upcoming leaders.

freedomfirst on February 11, 2014 at 9:58 AM

I have no party anymore.
The GOP is against me on policy, and they’re politically stupid.
SAMinVA on February 11, 2014 at 9:50 AM

It will be a long time before I get off my @$$ to vote republican anything or anyone. I am done.

PrettyMooch on February 11, 2014 at 9:59 AM

Bo(eh)ner/Ryan/et al – “As soon as we’re done laying on this hill, we’ll head over to that hill to lay on.”

Steve Eggleston on February 11, 2014 at 9:59 AM

Exactly. I’m sick and tired of the GOP even attempting to stand against the demorats, it’s time they held hands openly and kicked all of us in the teeth together.

Bishop on February 11, 2014 at 9:46 AM

Boehner and the surrender weasels defended caving completely in October with the stupid comment about living to fight another day. They also vowed that the debt ceiling would be used as leverage for “Republican spending priorities.” We have now confirmed that this was as big a lie as we suspected back then. All that’s left is for a HA Update that includes the standard “live to fight another day” pro forma excuse for being surrender weasels.

Happy Nomad on February 11, 2014 at 10:05 AM

Really, why delay the inevitable? The military-pension issue is a good standalone fight anyway.

So where is that fight? Defunding Obamacare is a good stand alone fight too- how’d that work out?

Happy Nomad on February 11, 2014 at 10:07 AM

Happy Nomad on February 11, 2014 at 10:05 AM

Bigot. The GOP will fight like Horatius at the bridge when it comes time to rename a post office branch after Charlie Rangel, you just watch.

Bishop on February 11, 2014 at 10:09 AM

So where is that fight? Defunding Obamacare is a good stand alone fight too- how’d that work out?

Happy Nomad on February 11, 2014 at 10:07 AM

And yeah, should we make the over/under for how many years it will take the GOP to make military pensions a stand-alone fight; how many zeros can you use in a number before there isn’t a term for it.

Bishop on February 11, 2014 at 10:11 AM

So they caved before they even made their demands. Not even going to go through the motions anymore. Somebody remind me why we have to send these azzclowns back to DC.

HumpBot Salvation on February 11, 2014 at 10:13 AM

The military-pension issue is a good standalone fight anyway.

This should never be a fight at all, but at this point, thanks to Paul Ryan’s sellout, it must be a standalone fight.

ladyingray on February 11, 2014 at 10:18 AM

The Good Ship Sucker keeps on sailing, looking for the perfect hill to die on.

Flange on February 11, 2014 at 10:19 AM

BREAKING: house Rs abandoning debt limit plan. Will try to pass clean debt limit. Boehner made announcement in mtg

This is government by the Marx Brothers and Boehner is Groucho.

But I repeat myself.

There are no principles. Only foolish, ephemeral tactics.

Marcus Traianus on February 11, 2014 at 10:25 AM

The debt ceiling is a mere consequence to the budget, and Republicans have already voted for huge swaths of deficit spending in FY2014 and will again for FY2015 — and that means they have already authorized all of the spending, and not just that covered by federal revenues.

When I saw this I wasn’t thinking of Fiscal Year.

MontanaMmmm on February 11, 2014 at 10:26 AM

The House needs to pass a stand alone bill to replace the military pensions as the senate has done. Then let Obama try and veto it. He may get his veto overturned on this one.
Beyond that Boehner needs to go, as do the rest of his cronies. I for one am trying to support as many primary candidates in races, against theses feckless wimps, as I can.

searcher on February 11, 2014 at 10:26 AM

the last day that the Treasury Department’s “extraordinary measures” will allow the U.S. to continue meeting its financial obligations.

This is the big, hysteria-generating lie.

No one disputes it or questions it. Chickensh!t congress.

bofh on February 11, 2014 at 10:32 AM

I feel a very deep, painful sadness today regarding the state of this country. The Republican party is utterly useless — led by clowns with no sense of the danger they are up against.

The Democrat party under Obama is totally evil now, and with the media in cahoots it seems there is no hope.

I’m struggling to find a reason to stay involved at all.

bobcalco on February 11, 2014 at 10:32 AM

The judge on varney and company just called Boehner an agent for the administration

Conservative4ev on February 11, 2014 at 10:33 AM

The House needs to pass a stand alone bill to replace the military pensions as the senate has done. Then let Obama try and veto it. He may get his veto overturned on this one.

When will you all wake up to the fact that the house won’t do jack sh-t? Honestly. The Republican Party is a total joke. They will never do anything.

PrettyMooch on February 11, 2014 at 10:36 AM

BREAKING: house Rs abandoning debt limit plan. Will try to pass clean debt limit. Boehner made announcement in mtg

— Jake Sherman (@JakeSherman) February 11, 2014

A-yup.

rbj on February 11, 2014 at 10:36 AM

OT, but infuriating: “National Guard trains to fight ‘anti-government’ Second Amendment supporters…” (hilighted in red on Drudge right now)

bofh on February 11, 2014 at 10:38 AM

OT, but infuriating: “National Guard trains to fight ‘anti-government’ Second Amendment supporters…” (hilighted in red on Drudge right now)

bofh on February 11, 2014 at 10:38 AM

Of course they’re training for that. We are the only people in the world this Regime views as a threat. Al Qaeda, Jihadists, they should be welcomed into the country since they’re really good people, just misunderstood and persecuted.

Left_is_Wrong on February 11, 2014 at 10:50 AM

Boehner and the rest of the progressive repukes in the GOP are obviously no different than the DimocRats. Vote them ALL out.

Left_is_Wrong on February 11, 2014 at 10:51 AM

Well at least the same result will happen without all the drama. Be nice if we had someone in a leadership position that had ever negotiated a business deal.

jukin3 on February 11, 2014 at 10:54 AM

the logic seems to be not to have any other issue besides Obamacare in the elections.

I don’t know if good or bad.

gerrym51 on February 11, 2014 at 11:10 AM

Who is running the GOP press office, Chuck Schumer? This is getting really embarrassing. Doesn’t anyone over there realize that you don’t announce a “plan” until you have the votes? That’s Politics 101.

Joseph K on February 11, 2014 at 11:12 AM

When challenged on it, Ryan got defensive and all but said that the vets didn’t deserve what they had been promised.

Happy Nomad

But illegal aliens who are entitled to nothing deserve everything they can get and more in Ryan’s world.

xblade on February 11, 2014 at 11:18 AM

What’s the point of having a debt ceiling if you just keep raising it!

She Walks In Beauty on February 11, 2014 at 11:18 AM

Right after the House passes their clean debt ceiling increase bill, the next point of action has to be the replacement of the GOP House leadership…

…we can’t wait until the next Congress. It needs to be done now.

Athos on February 11, 2014 at 11:20 AM

the logic seems to be not to have any other issue besides Obamacare in the elections.

I don’t know if good or bad.

gerrym51 on February 11, 2014 at 11:10 AM

Yesterday, Obama effectively removed ObamaGlitch from this year’s mid-terms. The fact is that until the employer mandate kicks in the vast majority of people in this country won’t get it.

Most people won’t get it until ObamaCare slaps them in the wallet. So with yesterday’s illegal delay (again) Obama basically removed that from the table for the mid-terms.

The GOP can scream about ObamaGlitch as much as they want, but most people won’t give a crap until they’re kicked off their employer’s healthcare benefits and they see what their new costs are going to be under ObamaGlitch.

So, the GOP just lost their golden issue in the mid-terms and will probably lose it for the 2016 election too. The GOP will have to run on their stellar, rock solid record of caving into everything Obama and the Dims wanted.

Good luck with that.

Left_is_Wrong on February 11, 2014 at 11:20 AM

Boehner and the rest of the progressive repukes in the GOP are obviously no different than the DimocRats. Vote them ALL out.

Left_is_Wrong on February 11, 2014 at 10:51 AM

We’re way past the point where voting will save us. If there is an election it won’t be an honest one. We have to go a different way. I doubt that the National Guard in every state would support the marxists.

crankyoldlady on February 11, 2014 at 11:31 AM

God give us men! A time like this demands
Strong minds, great hearts,true faith and ready hands;
Men whom the lust of office does not kill;
Men whom the spoils of office cannot buy;
Men who possess opinions and a will;
Men who have honor; men who will not lie;
Men who can stand before a demagogue
And damn his treacherous flatteries without winking!
Tall men, sun-crowned, who live above the fog
In public duty and in prifate thinking;
For while the rabble, with their thumb-worn creeds,
Their large professions and their little deeds
Mingle in selfish strife, lo! Freedom weeps,
Wrong rules the land and waiting Justice sleeps.

By Josiah Gilbert Holland

I don’t know when this was written or why but who do we know now who fits this?

crankyoldlady on February 11, 2014 at 11:44 AM

… yuk, yuk, yuk …

GodlessCommie on February 11, 2014 at 9:26 AM

It’s funny to cut the pensions of those who have serve the nation? You laugh as if service is all a big joke while able bodied young men are getting EBT cards. Oh, that’s right. You said “Gut the beast” didn’t you, perfesser.

It again begs the question, why are liberals so incapable of providing their most simple needs for themselves. And why do they steal from the more deserving?

Libfree, you’re a pathetic excuse for a person(s). All of them you try to manage here.

hawkdriver on February 11, 2014 at 12:11 PM

And even that might have worked, except that no one thinks the GOP will allow the government to blow through a debt ceiling. They backed down every time this particular issue has reached the brink, and there’s a lot less reason to stand fast now than before. Besides, this is a dumb fight, and everyone knows it. The debt ceiling is a mere consequence to the budget, and Republicans have already voted for huge swaths of deficit spending in FY2014 and will again for FY2015 — and that means they have already authorized all of the spending, and not just that covered by federal revenues.Treating the debt ceiling as a separate issue is not just playing with fiscal fire, it’s intellectually dishonest.

So Ed, you are saying that the GOP have contributed, have enabled, have collaborated with the dems to create a 17 Trillion $ gorilla…

Gohawgs on February 11, 2014 at 1:37 PM

You know, every time I hear Boehner open his mouth it almost makes me ashamed to be a Republican. In fact, I now refer to myself as either a conservative or a Tea Party conservative. Boehner’s weak-kneed, milktoast cowardice to do anything to oppose the Democrats/Obama/media are appalling. He’s got to go, and the sooner the better.

Bob Davis on February 11, 2014 at 1:44 PM

Across the country all conservatives should buy two sets of Jacks and mail the two red balls to Speaker Boehner. With a blitz of mailings maybe Johnny will grow a pair!

LarryK on February 11, 2014 at 2:06 PM

I want to kick Boehner in the balls, then when he’s on his knees retching, slap him soundly and call him a pussy.

fresh air on February 11, 2014 at 3:24 PM