U.S. citizens forced to wait to reunite with foreign-born spouses as Obama’s DREAM amnesty takes precedence

posted at 11:21 am on February 10, 2014 by Allahpundit

Via Mark Krikorian, a visit from the Ghost of Amnesty Future. Remember when O decided he needed a shiny object to show Latino voters before the 2012 election and issued a new executive rule essentially amnestizing DREAMers? He’d been hoping to convince dopey congressional Republicans to pass comprehensive immigration reform instead — after all, it’s the president’s party that’ll get most of the political credit once an immigration bill makes it through Congress and onto his desk — but when Boehner couldn’t pull it together, Obama concluded he had to act. Not only did he issue the new rule but he made it a top priority for Citizenship and Immigration Services, so much so that other routine but important business, like approving green cards for the spouses of American citizens, had to wait. And wait. And wait. And wait.

And so it came to be that half a million families, many of them with children, remain split to this day purely because Obama needed a mega-pander to protect his own ass electorally. Both parties swear up and down that this won’t happen with comprehensive immigration reform. Illegals will be sent to the back of the line for green cards, behind people like the foreign-born spouses of American citizens who’ve followed the rules and waited patiently for approval. But there’s no more reason to believe that than there is a reason to believe that “probationary” legalization under the House GOP’s plan would be rescinded if the border isn’t expeditiously secured. The political pressure on Republicans to keep up with Democrats in the pander sweepstakes is tremendous; it’s no coincidence that the House GOP leadership has been quietly working on its own version of the DREAM Act for months to try to recoup some of the glory Obama won with Latinos in 2012 from his administrative rule. Once a broader amnesty passes Congress, we’ll be back in the same dynamic of Democrats demanding expedited processing of illegals and Republicans panicking over the political fallout if they resist. And the losers, again, will be these people:

The trouble that American citizens have faced gaining permanent resident visas for their families raises questions about the agency’s priorities and its readiness to handle what could become a far bigger task. After Speaker John A. Boehner of Ohio said on Thursday that the House was not likely to act on an immigration overhaul this year, immigrant advocates are turning up their pressure on Mr. Obama to expand the deferral program to include many more of the 11.7 million immigrants in the country illegally…

Until recently, an American could obtain a green card for a spouse, child or parent — probably the easiest document in the immigration system — in five months or less. But over the past year, waits for approvals of those resident visas stretched to 15 months, and more than 500,000 applications became stuck in the pipeline, playing havoc with international moves and children’s schools and keeping families apart…

“First it was surprise,” Mr. Varma said. “Then dismay. Then it just becomes very discouraging. You feel helpless. You feel as if you did things the right way and you are penalized for it.”…

After Mr. Obama announced the deferral program, known as Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, in 2012, he gave Citizenship and Immigration Services only two months to get it running. Agency officials scrambled. As of last week, 521,815 youths had received deferrals, with the agency handling more than 2,000 applications a day.

As you’ve already guessed, in order to process the DREAM applications as quickly as possible, CIS has had to cut corners where it can. Among those corners, per Krikorian, is background checks. If that’s less of a priority now, how much less of a priority will it be once a full amnesty passes Congress and a new load of applicants 10 to 20 times the size of the DREAMers ends up in front of the agency? Why any immigrant spouse would choose to follow U.S. law at this point and wait their turn abroad, knowing that the feds are about to be swamped with an immigration bureaucratic nightmare to end all nightmares, I don’t know. They’re better off getting a visa to “visit” and then just staying put. Obama and ICE wouldn’t dare deport them after media attention to this problem.

Via the Daily Caller, if you missed it yesterday, here’s George Will taking the libertarian position on immigration and Laura Ingraham taking the … not libertarian position. Say this much for Will’s open-borders position: It certainly would minimize bureaucracy. Just pat illegals down to make sure they have no weapons when they cross the border and then wave them through.


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Illegal thug in chief

Schadenfreude on February 10, 2014 at 11:24 AM

Non ObamaVoters are second class citizens compared to illegal ObamaVoters. Just be thankful you didn’t get arrested, IRS audited or droned, you ingrate!

ConstantineXI on February 10, 2014 at 11:26 AM

Schumer “pass amnesty but make effective after obama”.

Obama “Hah, I got a pen and a phone”.

George Will, go to Hell, and take all the traitors to the legal citizens and immigrants with you.

That includes the union thugs, liblikeaslave.

Schadenfreude on February 10, 2014 at 11:26 AM

Thank God my wife and I came back in 2010 and not 2012. She’d probably still be waiting for a visa.

kuro_shogun on February 10, 2014 at 11:26 AM

Union thugs s/b against amnesty.

Alas, the leftist thugs and the rightist thugs are all traitors to the Amerian workers.

I don’t care how many circular arguments anyone will bring on “we can’t deport…we ain’t got the votes…bla, bla bla”…

You from the left and you from the right have ruined the land. Change or live in Zimbabwe. YOU and yours deserve NO less, you 3rd world degenerates.

Schadenfreude on February 10, 2014 at 11:28 AM

In the US “third world” will soon be a compliment.

Just look around.

Wake up already, or live in the rest of the world squaller.

YOU used to be superior/special, USA.

No mas.

Schadenfreude on February 10, 2014 at 11:30 AM

George Will is a traitor and all who are with him are the same.

Schadenfreude on February 10, 2014 at 11:30 AM

Non ObamaVoters are second class citizens compared to illegal ObamaVoters. Just be thankful you didn’t get arrested, IRS audited or droned, you ingrate!

ConstantineXI on February 10, 2014 at 11:26 AM

But work harder/longer and pay more taxes for all their Utopian pipedreams, fools…because you’re “so human and humane, and so racist, and bla, bla, bla”.

Meh, schadenfreude!

Schadenfreude on February 10, 2014 at 11:31 AM

I’m with Laura on this one… she was SPOT ON in her points…

Khun Joe on February 10, 2014 at 11:31 AM

You feel as if you did things the right way and you are penalized for it.”…

Fixed. Punishing responsible people is part of the plan.

Fenris on February 10, 2014 at 11:32 AM

I’m with Laura on this one… she was SPOT ON in her points…

Khun Joe on February 10, 2014 at 11:31 AM

She fought 4-5 azzholes, from the left/right, and she won. Not even moronic Juan wanted to debate her any more.

American men are all eunuchs now.

Btw, dummy Kearsin Powers advocated for “women to stay home now…write poetry and be with their babies.

Heh, feminazis…ya fought for 100 years for this? I love the circular ‘logic’ from the left.

Thank you God for this much schadenfreude, every day!!!

Schadenfreude on February 10, 2014 at 11:34 AM

In front of YOU, every day, is redistribution of wealth and restitution/retribution.

Wake up already, pitchfork your masters, politically, or suffer.

The gov’t no longer fears the people/”folks” sheepledom.

I hate it when obama/O’Reilly call the people “folks”. It is very demeaning.

Schadenfreude on February 10, 2014 at 11:36 AM

I hate it when obama/O’Reilly call the people “folks”. It is very demeaning.

Schadenfreude on February 10, 2014 at 11:36 AM

Hippies and pinkos love the Volkswagen, it makes them feel all warm and socialist.

Fenris on February 10, 2014 at 11:37 AM

Kearstin, or some such. I hate the hag. She pretends to be an ‘objective’ critic for/from the left.

Meh, laugh her out of town, the dove-brain.

Schadenfreude on February 10, 2014 at 11:38 AM

I guess the NYT is actually admitting that this loony toon know nothing president screwed things up again!

boogieboy on February 10, 2014 at 11:38 AM

Say this much for Will’s open-borders position: It certainly would minimize bureaucracy. Just pat illegals down to make sure they have no weapons when they cross the border and then wave them through.

If you really want to eliminate bureaucracy, I suggest you go to Somalia — where the only rule is there are no rules.

Stoic Patriot on February 10, 2014 at 11:38 AM

Via the Daily Caller, if you missed it yesterday, here’s George Will taking the libertarian position on immigration and Laura Ingraham taking the … not libertarian position.

It’s the social conservative position, aka, civil order and rule-of-law position.

Stoic Patriot on February 10, 2014 at 11:40 AM

Gotta love Will talking about a labor shortage–adult workforce participation is at its lowest level in decades because of discouraged people no longer looking for work, official unemployment still at a level higher than any recorded between 1983 and 2007, and there’s a “labor shortage.” Give me a break.

Athanasius on February 10, 2014 at 11:44 AM

Laura Ingraham is right. Enforcement is the middle ground. And the pro-amnesty weasels like Boehner and Ryan really don’t care about American workers.

Happy Nomad on February 10, 2014 at 11:45 AM

Dear Liar hates legal immigration. He hates the Rule of Law.

rbj on February 10, 2014 at 11:47 AM

Why have borders?

It is a valid question, what use is it?

right2bright on February 10, 2014 at 11:48 AM

George Will is a traitor and all who are with him are the same.

Schadenfreude on February 10, 2014 at 11:30 AM

Then I am proud to be a traitor in your eyes. Will is right on point. Demographics is destiny and an aging America needs immigrants even more than they need us. And, of course, spouses of citizens deserve not just green cards but immediate naturalization.

MJBrutus on February 10, 2014 at 11:48 AM

I do wish these pro-amnesty shills would be forced to answer the obvious question. Why go through proper legal channels to immigrate here when those who break the law are rewarded with legal status and eventual citizenship? And in some cases, they’re rewarded FASTER than the people who obey the law! It’s not even pro-amnesty anymore. It’s open borders. We need to press them to at least admit that. Cuz I guaran-damn-tee you, if you get a majority of the American people to understand that that’s the position the left and their allies in the GOP have staked out, support for “immigration reform” will plummet in the polls.

Doughboy on February 10, 2014 at 11:49 AM

Great article Allah! Hits very close to home too, since I and my wife went thru the spouse visa process several years ago…thank god we did it before Obama jacked it up.

BTW,

They’re better off getting a visa to “visit” and then just staying put.

That is virtually impossible to do except for people from a handful of Visa Waiver Program countries (most in Western Europe). Tourist visas are the most difficult types of visas to get for most countries in the world. You have to prove, with massive documentation, that you have no immigration intent in order to get one of those visas. That bar is extremely high if you are from a relatively poor country.

The immigration laws can be brutal and ruthless for anybody trying to get a visa through lawful channels that is caught lying or even getting some ‘material fact’ wrong, even if it turns out to be an honest mistake.

AUINSC on February 10, 2014 at 11:51 AM

Laura Ingrahm did a phenomenal job in a 3 on 1 set up on pro-amnesty Fox News.

cdog0613 on February 10, 2014 at 11:53 AM

I never want to hear the word comprehensive combined with any kind of legislation again. It’s code for screw the tax payers.

Cindy Munford on February 10, 2014 at 11:54 AM

Athanasius on February 10, 2014 at 11:44 AM

You forgot, as of Friday the black youth unempl. is at 38%. obama and will hate black youth.

Schadenfreude on February 10, 2014 at 11:55 AM

MJBrutus on February 10, 2014 at 11:48 AM

Yep, it sure has worked out swell for Europe.

Cindy Munford on February 10, 2014 at 11:56 AM

Then I am proud to be a traitor in your eyes. Will is right on point. Demographics is destiny and an aging America needs immigrants even more than they need us. And, of course, spouses of citizens deserve not just green cards but immediate naturalization.

MJBrutus on February 10, 2014 at 11:48 AM

1. Legal immigration is not amnesty, duhhhhhh

2. Nowhere did I typed that spouses don’t deserve whatever you said.

Wake up.

Will and all who are for illegal immigration/amnesty are traitors.

I’m for legal immigration and that includes the spouses.

Schadenfreude on February 10, 2014 at 11:57 AM

— after all, it’s the president’s party that’ll get most of the political credit once an immigration bill makes it through Congress and onto his desk
===========================================================================


Yup,…..nothing but a Democrat Party VoterDrive,
to BamBoozle, the LowInfoSouthOfTheBorderFenceHoppers!!!!!

canopfor on February 10, 2014 at 11:58 AM

Weasels at the NYT writing about weasels in Europe, the ones who are for illegal immigration.

Go Swiss people!!!

Schadenfreude on February 10, 2014 at 11:59 AM

Yep, it sure has worked out swell for Europe.

Cindy Munford on February 10, 2014 at 11:56 AM

Everything would be swell in Europe if only the natives weren’t so racist. /

(I joke, but I’m sure the left really believes this)

Doomberg on February 10, 2014 at 12:00 PM

I hate the WSJ thugs who are for open borders and the dummyfication of the USA, so long as their pocket are gull, based on cheap slave-labor.

Schadenfreude on February 10, 2014 at 12:01 PM

Duh, s/b “so long as their pockets are full”

Schadenfreude on February 10, 2014 at 12:01 PM

Schadenfreude on February 10, 2014 at 11:57 AM

I did not claim that you said your point 2. Sorry if I wasn’t clear, but I only addressed your post (such as it was) in my first sentence.

I stand by what I said. Will is right and America needs immigration. Furthermore, nothing is more in keeping with the ideals of America than welcoming people from around the world.

The reason we have such a problem with illegal immigration is because our immigration laws are a disaster and should be scrapped. We should enforce national security measures at our borders and points of entry. Aside from that, we should welcome people from around the globe to come and participate in the American dream.

MJBrutus on February 10, 2014 at 12:04 PM

Demographics is destiny and an aging America needs immigrants even more than they need us.

MJBrutus on February 10, 2014 at 11:48 AM

Illegal aliens are not immigrants. They are trespassers. Are you really so stupid to suggest otherwise?

Happy Nomad on February 10, 2014 at 12:04 PM

Happy Nomad on February 10, 2014 at 12:04 PM

I’m smart enough to know that the principle cause of this form of illegality are the laws we have that force those we should welcome to circumvent legal means of entry.

MJBrutus on February 10, 2014 at 12:05 PM

Do we really need 11 million bus boys, gardeners and framers?If they have a background in science or engineering then bring them in.

celtic warrior on February 10, 2014 at 12:06 PM

So why aren’t they suing under equal protection and/or due process?

Nutstuyu on February 10, 2014 at 12:06 PM

Will is right on point. Demographics is destiny and an aging America needs immigrants even more than they need us. And, of course, spouses of citizens deserve not just green cards but immediate naturalization.

MJBrutus on February 10, 2014 at 11:48 AM

Will is completely wrong.

We do need immigrants, but we need people who can work, pay taxes, assimilate, and contribute to the economy. There is nothing helpful – nothing – in importing tens of millions of unskilled, uneducated workers who cannot speak English and who have no prospects for a job and will go directly onto welfare (not to mention require massive tax increases to pay for said welfare).

Doomberg on February 10, 2014 at 12:07 PM

Demographics is destiny

MJBrutus

And ignorance is forever in your case.

xblade on February 10, 2014 at 12:07 PM

Good for Laura

cmsinaz on February 10, 2014 at 12:09 PM

The reason we have such a problem with illegal immigration is because our immigration laws are a disaster and should be scrapped.

Our laws are a disaster because they aren’t being enforced.

We should enforce national security measures at our borders and points of entry. Aside from that, we should welcome people from around the globe to come and participate in the American dream.

MJBrutus on February 10, 2014 at 12:04 PM

Again, no one here is saying “all immigration must be stopped.” Claiming this is what we are saying is a strawman and dishonest in the extreme. We cannot afford to grant amnesty to thirty million or more illegal immigrants who have no education and no job prospects at the time of the worst recession we’ve had since the 1930s.

If you truly desire to help these people, donate to charities that do things like build schools and provide disaster relief. Stop demanding that other people pay for your moral impulses.

Doomberg on February 10, 2014 at 12:11 PM

I’m smart enough to know that the principle cause of this form of illegality are the laws we have that force those we should welcome to circumvent legal means of entry.

MJBrutus on February 10, 2014 at 12:05 PM

Immigration policy is another matter entirely. One you lefties like to conflate into the issue of illegal aliens. Enforce the borders first and then we can have a talk about all the criminals who need to be deported and/or go to the back of the line. With American unemployment at record levels (when you do an honest accounting of the numbers) I find little need to reward illegal aliens.

Happy Nomad on February 10, 2014 at 12:12 PM

Aside from that, we should welcome people from around the globe to come and participate in the American dream.

MJBrutus

What we should be doing is making things better for Americans so they can participate in the American Dream, not flood the country with millions of people who will make the American Dream a thing of the past.

I’m smart enough to know that the principle cause of this form of illegality are the laws we have that force those we should welcome to circumvent legal means of entry.

MJBrutus

Kind of like how rapists and thieves are forced to rape and steal illegally because the laws we have won’t let them do it legally.

xblade on February 10, 2014 at 12:13 PM

Open borders and no immigration enforcement would only reduce bureaucracy if we didn’t have a welfare state.

Wigglesworth on February 10, 2014 at 12:18 PM

Again, no one here is saying “all immigration must be stopped.”

Doomberg on February 10, 2014 at 12:11 PM

As did some other poster above, you are being defensive about something I did not say.

MJBrutus on February 10, 2014 at 12:18 PM

We should enforce national security measures at our borders and points of entry. Aside from that, we should welcome people from around the globe to come and participate in the American dream.

MJBrutus on February 10, 2014 at 12:04 PM

America only has so many resources. We can only allow so many immigrants into the country before we run out of those resources.

A) Not all immigrants have any intention of being productive members of society. [by this I mean they intend to take more than they give]
B) Because of the lax enforcement of immigration, the American Dream has been degraded to living on welfare.

Now, not all immigrants have this mentality. Many have the ambition and drive to accomplish the true American Dream of enjoying the product of their own work. BUT, given how many natural born Americans have the wrong entitled mentality, we have to clear house and reorganize before we can legally reopen the floodgates.

Effay5 on February 10, 2014 at 12:25 PM

This has been my major complaint since Bush’s Shamnesty push, i.e., the short shrift given to and penalization of aliens who are following the rules, in order to cater to illegals both coming in to the country and here now.

And waiting isn’t the only screwing that the Feds are giving the people who follow the law.

Dusty on February 10, 2014 at 12:26 PM

We should enforce national security measures at our borders and points of entry. Aside from that, we should welcome people from around the globe to come and participate in the American dream.

MJBrutus on February 10, 2014 at 12:04 PM

And you should open your doors to anyone who wants to come into your house and stay.

You aren’t too swift. The Constitution is very clear about who and what this nation is set up for:

to “secure the Blessings of Liberty TO OURSELVES AND TO OUR POSTERITY”

TO THE CITIZENRY, not to anyone in the world who decides that they have a right to move right in. You clearly have NO CONCEPT of what sovereignty is or why the Founders thought it so important. You hate the idea of the nation-state and seem to think that our government is just some disembodied, disconnected entity that services all who choose to put themselves here. That is, clearly, insane.

I don’t even know what to say to people like you, anymore, except that I want a national divorce to be rid of you. You don’t like the idea of a nation-state, then you should go off on your own and build your science fiction utopia of the independent government without citizens but merely occupants.

Sheesh.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on February 10, 2014 at 12:26 PM

MJBrutus on February 10, 2014 at 12:04 PM

Try getting into Australia if you are uneducated and don’t have a skill. Good luck with that. But we’re supposed to let in all the dumbazzes of the world?

BeachBum on February 10, 2014 at 12:27 PM

I understand perfectly well the argument for rational, regulated immigration in a basically free market system. The libertarians’ and George Will’s blind spot here is that we are no longer living in such a system. We are drifting toward (pretty much already in) a Europeanized social welfare state, and de jure or de facto open borders are incompatible with such a system. New immigrants will eventually make the same calculation that many of those already not participating in the labor force have made–that there are ways to get by without working in low-paying, unskilled jobs. And the more who take that route, the more we spiral downward as a nation.

I’m sure that libertarians would argue that we should also change the social welfare model and return to a more free market system. Great, I’m with you there. So find a way to effect that change in the current political climate and I’ll listen to your immigration arguments again.

SacredFire on February 10, 2014 at 12:29 PM

spouses of citizens deserve not just green cards but immediate naturalization.

MJBrutus on February 10, 2014 at 11:48 AM

Brutus,

This is only so realistic. If immediate naturalization were an option by marrying an American citizen, what do you think the divorce rate of those marriages would be?

Not everyone would marry just for naturalization, but there would assuredly be a black market marriage business just to allow people to marry and become citizens the easy way.

Should those married to citizens be disregarded? Absolutely not. If they have valid visas or green cards, they should be the first in line for citizenship if they go through the proper channels.

Effay5 on February 10, 2014 at 12:31 PM

I just read the DC article. Thought it was interesting that WSJ was presented as a “conservative bulwark”, when it’s nothing of the kind and hasn’t been for years. The only thing conservative about the WSJ is it’s editorial page, and that’s on shaky ground.

Will’s argument was weak. He’s talking about immigrants being necessary to the labor force when we can’t support the one we have now, and as though green cards and H1B visa’s aren’t already in existence. We have kids of our own to get educated and employed, as well as the line of immigrants waiting in our “broken” system, which is exemplified by our failure to enforce and subsequent mission to legalize everyone that did the one thing these people waiting in line did not – break our law.
And all this, when most polls show that immigration reform isn’t a priority for anyone except illegal immigrants and Dem’s desperate to refresh their voter base.
I wonder whether this would be their priority if they could point to any competence at all in domestic, economic or foreign policy issues. Any real successes. Or if it’s essentially just another deflection with benefits.

Rhetorical question.

Recon5 on February 10, 2014 at 12:31 PM

Milton Friedman said that you can have open borders or you can have the welfare state, but you cannot have both. That about sums it up.

BeachBum on February 10, 2014 at 12:31 PM

Effay5 on February 10, 2014 at 12:31 PM

Agreed. I overstated that.

MJBrutus on February 10, 2014 at 12:32 PM

So long as employing illegals is a viable (or even necessary to stay competitive) component of American capitalism – there will be illegals filling these jobs.

Enforcing the border will only increase the expense in crossing the border – it will not cut down on the traffic.

But so long as the Party of Big Business enjoys the benefits of illegal labor – and the Party of Big Government enjoys the votes and increased government dependency; nothing will be done making sure that hiring illegal labor is not a viable (or necessary) economic model.

Mordaukar on February 10, 2014 at 12:32 PM

Laura was right on the money when she countered to Will, “Why have borders then. Why put any limits?” Our unwillingness (politically-driven) to implement border security to an effective degree before engaging on dealing with the status of those here illegally shows the naked unseriousness of any “comprehensive” immigration protocol. I worked the spouse visa of my foreign-born wife three years ago and we worked through the system. She is taking her citizenship test this year and is very excited about it. We do need to reform our immigration system, and worker visas, etc…but before we do all that, national security requires we close the borders and control influx of new illegal immigrants before proceeding. Either we are a sovereign country or we’re not.

HawaiiMike on February 10, 2014 at 12:34 PM

Milton Friedman said that you can have open borders or you can have the welfare state, but you cannot have both. That about sums it up.

BeachBum on February 10, 2014 at 12:31 PM

I liked Friedman but I think he was just being flippant. You can’t have either and maintain an American Constitutional Republic. You can’t have open borders and maintain any sort of nation. You can’t have a welfare state and maintain any sort of individual liberty.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on February 10, 2014 at 12:34 PM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on February 10, 2014 at 12:34 PM

Very true….My point is that the libs want Both.

BeachBum on February 10, 2014 at 12:37 PM

I’ve screamed for this clips, and Hot Weenie finally coughed it up.

I loved how Laura shut Will down on the whole, but especially with about a minute left when they touched on visa overstayers. Why are these people still here? Why can’t the feds find them and deport them? They have no sob story about persecution or swimming the Rio Grande. For crying out loud, weren’t the 19 9/11 perpetrators visa overstayers? How about the national-security angle on this? I’m a single individual, and I don’t have the time and resources to protect myself from visa overstaying terrorists and parasites. That’s a quintessential governmental function–not ensuring that overfed inner-city kids are even more overfed on food stamps.

BuckeyeSam on February 10, 2014 at 12:39 PM

Not sure this works anymore, but you used to be able to fly to the other side of the planet, find a sympathetic staffer at your local U.S. consulate/embassy, apply in person, have a nice long vacay, return to the States, and get the green card (all for half the price of hiring an immigration attorney) in about six months–start to finish. No bribes, no expedite fees.

Christien on February 10, 2014 at 12:40 PM

When is Hot Weenie going to take a crack on the canard that Obama is the deporter in chief? I’ve read elsewhere that these stats are completely bogus in that the Obama administration counts a mere border turn back as a deportation. That’s complete horseshite, and every time Juano Williams whines about the cruel Obama administration as if it’s undertaking some kind of purge I have to laugh.

BuckeyeSam on February 10, 2014 at 12:42 PM

Aside from that, we should (legally) welcome people from around the globe to come and participate in the American dream.

MJBrutus on February 10, 2014 at 12:04 PM

Schadenfreude on February 10, 2014 at 12:44 PM

The reason we have such a problem with illegal immigration is because our immigration laws are a disaster and should be scrapped. We should enforce national security measures at our borders and points of entry. Aside from that, we should (legally) welcome people from around the globe to come and participate in the American dream.

MJBrutus on February 10, 2014 at 12:04 PM

Immigration reform is NOT amnesty.

Schadenfreude on February 10, 2014 at 12:49 PM

Let’s look at amnesty (which is what Will and the surrender weasels are really advocating) in simple terms that even they might be able to understand.

After Hurricane Katrina, large numbers of individuals on the welfare rolls of New Orleans found themselves in Houston. Well, even though they hadn’t considered relocating, there was nothing left for them back in New Orleans and the welfare benefits were much better in Texas. So they stayed. Almost overnight the Houston taxbase was expected to finance a huge new group of parasites.

Amnesty for the illegals is the same thing. It’s not only that they would be rewarded with citizenship but they will also start demanding all sorts of social services and entitlement programs- retroactively if the Dems have their way- which will mean even more wealth distribution from the producer to the parasite class.

Happy Nomad on February 10, 2014 at 12:51 PM

Happy Nomad on February 10, 2014 at 12:51 PM

Make sure MJBrutus and Will read this, er.

Schadenfreude on February 10, 2014 at 12:57 PM

Somebody please send this link to Rubio, Ayotte, and the rest of the RINO squishes please.

onlineanalyst on February 10, 2014 at 12:57 PM

but when ***** couldn’t pull it together, Obama concluded he had to act.

“I got a pen and a phone and a drone

LegendHasIt on February 10, 2014 at 12:58 PM

MBrutus:: “Demographics is destiny and an aging America needs immigrants even more than they need us”

Given years of lousy employment, job creation, and workforce participation numbers there is NO need for any significant number of foreign workers. Not even in agriculture, where many of those jobs could be done by International Harvester machines but farmers would rather just not invest capital. Nor is the supposed aging of the workforce demonstrate a need as age discrimination is a BLATANT and illegal phenomenon that could be addressed, but isn’t.

Face it, immigration is a fetish thing for American elites and fetishists don’t care about facts, logic, or reason when it comes to their fetish.

kd6rxl on February 10, 2014 at 1:04 PM

We should enforce national security measures at our borders and points of entry. Aside from that, we should welcome people from around the globe to come and participate in the American dream.

MJBrutus on February 10, 2014 at 12:04 PM

The US welcomes one million legal immigrants a year. That’s more than the next top four countries combined. There are forty million foreign born walking the streets of America. That’s 14% of our population.

But yeah Brutus, that’s not enough. Let’s make it10 million a year for good measure.

Check this out hotgassers. While perusing US immigration websites just now, this notice was placed on all the pages.

Important Notice:

Same-sex spouses of U.S. citizens and Lawful Permanent Residents (LPRs), along with their minor children, are now eligible for the same immigration benefits as opposite-sex spouses…

weathermen on February 10, 2014 at 1:08 PM

Not to worry, he has a pen AND a phone.

KMC1 on February 10, 2014 at 1:14 PM

The world is upside down. Must be the fundamental transformation.

magicbeans on February 10, 2014 at 1:25 PM

Personally, this is an issue I’ve recently come to the fence about. I was definitely against illegal immigration and wasn’t really willing to consider ‘solutions’ or alternatives to closing off the borders and deporting any and all illegal immigrants found within the country.

My grandpa said something recently though the shook my position quite a bit. I’m paraphrasing, but his main argument pretty much was: Which is more important? The law of man, or the law of God?

I’m not advocating we strip down our borders and let everyone walk in no questions asked. But I’ve begun to think that the system is broken, and not just because it’s not being enforced properly. It’s broken on multiple levels, many of which, as pointed out by many here as a concern, encourages leeching off of the system. That’s a problem so massive it doesn’t even limit itself to just our immigrants. Welfare is a bane on this country with or without immigration.

If we could fix that, I would not mind seeing a more open-arms approach to immigration. Without a system to leech off of, immigrants would be coming to work so that they could improve the standard of living for themselves and their families. As it is, those that are working now I would not support being deported, because they are making an honest living (okay, maybe it’s under the table, maybe it’s not, but big freaking deal. Plenty of people here would work under the table if it was offered as a means of escaping taxation) and truly came here to forge a better life for themselves and their families.

To me, the main problem with immigration, legal or illegal, is not the immigrants themselves but the broken, disgusting system we have waiting for them when they get here. If we could clean up the crap welfare systems we have here, then let the people come. They deserve just as much a chance to forge a decent life free of the drug dealer wars, tyrants, and corrupt governments as everyone else does.

Naga_Jolokia on February 10, 2014 at 1:26 PM

And so it came to be that half a million families, many of them with children, remain split to this day purely because Obama needed a mega-pander to protect his own ass electorally.

You’re not sounding like a beta male today.

FWIW, I agree it’s disgusting. I’m all in favor of immigration, while opposed to illegal immigration, and this is a perfect example of the difference. We have an system set up to allow immigration, and I would even consider the legal immigration permitted to be too stingy, and take too long. But there will never be any incentive to fix it when the Dems and half the GOP is trying to grease the skids to allow illegals to enter in great waves.

Illegal immigration necessarily damages legal immigration.

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 10, 2014 at 1:29 PM

George Will is a traitor and all who are with him are the same.

Schadenfreude on February 10, 2014 at 11:30 AM

Then I am proud to be a traitor in your eyes. Will is right on point. Demographics is destiny and an aging America needs immigrants even more than they need us. And, of course, spouses of citizens deserve not just green cards but immediate naturalization.

MJBrutus on February 10, 2014 at 11:48 AM

George Will failed to distinguish between legal immigration and illegal border-crossing. That makes his whole argument a complete fail.

If we would fix the illegal alien problem, we would actually find there was incentive to reform the immigration system to allow more legal immigrants. But as long as we have vast numbers of illegal aliens coming in without consequences, there’s no point — and no interest — in expanding legal immigration.

What we have now is most of the Democrats and a chunk of Republicans deliberately allowing the immigration laws to get trampled because they like having more illegal aliens in the country.

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 10, 2014 at 1:51 PM

Not to worry, he has a pen AND a phone.

KMC1 on February 10, 2014 at 1:14 PM

“and a drone”, as Legend said in the “drone Americans” thread.

Schadenfreude on February 10, 2014 at 1:54 PM

Since the feds will not enforce the nation’s laws it surprises me that we have not seen a rise in vigilantism and citizen arrests of known illegals or attempts to assist them in self-deporting.

redware on February 10, 2014 at 1:57 PM

And by the way, the article that this thread is based on is a joke,

Many thousands of Americans seeking green cards for foreign spouses or other immediate relatives have been separated from them for a year or more because of swelling bureaucratic delays at a federal immigration agency in recent months.

Green cards are cards showing proof of permanent resident status, They are issued in the United States. Spouses and fiance(e)s of US citizens only require an immigrant visa to enter the US, not a green card. There is no limit on the number of these visas that are issued, nor is there a waiting period required. The only waiting is the time it takes for the processing to be completed, which is done in the country that the marriage will or did take place.

weathermen on February 10, 2014 at 2:08 PM

This makes my blood boil, I spent 18 months trying to get my wife into the USA, I started one month before our daughter was born (had to pay 200 bucks to get her recognized as a legal citizen) then we had visits to U.S. approved doctors(200 euros cash, and the only doctors they approve of are in Paris, a 3 hour train ride plus hotel costs and lost work days) to make sure she isn’t diseased. Then the processing fees, then the other one time processing fees, then the final fee, all said and done I spent about 1500 dollars and a year and a half trying to get my wife and daughter back into my country. It was despicable and then people want to let illegals in because…they already broke the law?! I disagree with the French on many things but they deport people daily, no ifs and or buts, if the country you came from is in the toilet, they ship you next door. All these people who wait legally, like we did, get pissed, why follow the law when breaking it is easier and consequence free? Nation of laws my left cheek.

LeeBelieu on February 10, 2014 at 2:12 PM

…I would even consider the legal immigration permitted to be too stingy,..

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 10, 2014 at 1:29 PM

One million a year is not enough? What number would you prefer>

weathermen on February 10, 2014 at 2:19 PM

Illegal immigration necessarily damages legal immigration.

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 10, 2014 at 1:29 PM

Agreed. We need to create a scenario where it is more beneficial to go the legal route than to just come here/stay here illegally. A start to that would be to deport those here illegally. The next step would be to put tighter security at the border. Then we can make it easier to come here legally.

Currently, why would anyone go the legal route when it is long and difficult to get everything in order, when the alternative is to just break a few rules?

All about incentives & disincentives, right?

Effay5 on February 10, 2014 at 2:23 PM

I guess I’m going to have to kiss good bye to the 49.95 rubles I paid for my “look just like sooper-dooper model” Russian mail-order bride. I just wish I hadn’t paid the extra 149 rubles “echprees sheeping” charge.

Oh well, it’s my fault for not reading the fine print:

Eef you vant to get you bride, and vant to keep your bride, please donate $1000 to ComradeObama.ru

ZeusGoose on February 10, 2014 at 2:48 PM

Effay5 on February 10, 2014 at 2:23 PM

An alternative, and I would say much preferable, way to provide the right incentive would be to change our laws so that entering legally becomes very easy to do. If it is simple enough to comply with, people will not evade the law.

MJBrutus on February 10, 2014 at 3:02 PM

My Canadian husband and I waited for almost a year for our INS interview only to find out that he was to be banned for 3 yrs for overstaying his visa, even though he had been sponsored for a job but lost his job after cutbacks following 911. So, he observed the ban, fearing if he challenged it, they would kick him out for 10 yrs. Then I moved to Canada to live with him, and we waited TWO Years for our interview, after the 3 yr ban. To all these illegals who stayed in the country and ignored the law, I say tough titties! When you’re waiting in line, you don’t even have a phone number to call. They jerk you around so much. Every few months, we’d get a letter promising only six more months.

Also, I had a friend who processed disability claims. Government workers have a disincentive to be productive, because then they are expected to work harder all the time with no raises or promotions.

ezspirit on February 10, 2014 at 3:02 PM

ezspirit on February 10, 2014 at 3:02 PM

I would say that you and your husband were victimized by the horrendous immigration laws we have. Wouldn’t we all be better off if such injustice was eliminated altogether by reforming our laws?

MJBrutus on February 10, 2014 at 3:06 PM

Thank God my wife and I came back in 2010 and not 2012. She’d probably still be waiting for a visa.

kuro_shogun on February 10, 2014 at 11:26 AM

Thank God my wife came back in 2006 and not 2012.
She’d probably still be waiting for a visa.
Illegals to the front of the line.

itsnotaboutme on February 10, 2014 at 3:11 PM

Will is right on point. Demographics is destiny and an aging America needs immigrants even more than they need us.

MJBrutus on February 10, 2014 at 11:48 AM

Then open up legal immigration more.

You want to reward millions of law-breakers.
Many of those law-breakers have broken other laws.
Most are completely unskilled. Why not allow an increased number of skilled legal immigrants?

itsnotaboutme on February 10, 2014 at 3:14 PM

An alternative, and I would say much preferable, way to provide the right incentive would be to change our laws so that entering legally becomes very easy to do.

MJBrutus on February 10, 2014 at 3:02 PM

I don’t disagree that having a more open border is an ideal situation to strive for. What you may need to look at is the motivation people have for coming here illegally. I don’t think it is because coming the legal route is too difficult. Oftentimes, I think it occurs to take advantage of the bleeding hearts of the libs. “Oh, your an immigrant? Come live on welfare and mooch off society.” That mentality is too prevalent.

If that were to change, and the immigrants that wanted to come here didn’t have laziness/greed as a reason to come, but rather ambition and hopes for better lives based on their hard work, then we wouldn’t have to be so tight on the border. But because greed and laziness are far too common among us human beings, I don’t really see that as a realistic goal.

Effay5 on February 10, 2014 at 3:20 PM

We have a huge national security risk that is not being fully addressed as long as we don’t have secure borders. This must be Step One, why is there still any argument?

After that we can decide what the rules are for getting through the gates. Our house, our rules, right? Step Two.

If we can manage these two steps, then we can discuss the rest.

ncinca on February 10, 2014 at 3:22 PM

I never want to hear the word comprehensive combined with any kind of legislation again. It’s code for screw the tax payers.

Cindy Munford on February 10, 2014 at 11:54 AM

Bingo! Cindy hits the nail on the head, again!

wren on February 10, 2014 at 4:09 PM

My Canadian husband …was to be banned for 3 yrs for overstaying his visa,…
To all these illegals who stayed in the country and ignored the law, I say tough titties!

ezspirit on February 10, 2014 at 3:02 PM

Huh, hypocrisy much?

Then open up legal immigration more.

itsnotaboutme on February 10, 2014 at 3:14 PM

I don’t disagree that having a more open border is an ideal situation to strive for.

Effay5 on February 10, 2014 at 3:20 PM

This Country is lost.

weathermen on February 10, 2014 at 4:23 PM