Four Pinocchios to Durbin for claiming 10 million additional insured under ObamaCare

posted at 10:01 am on February 10, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

Just how much spin can Dick Durbin fit into a single response? Yesterday on Face the Nation, Senator Durbin told Bob Schieffer that “the bottom line” on ObamaCare was that it would lower the deficit more than Democrats first claimed, and that 10 million Americans had gotten insurance through it and would otherwise be uninsured:

SCHIEFFER: Let me also ask both of you, more confusion, apparently, now, on — on health care. We now learn that the administration has told people, although they haven’t announced it publicly or hadn’t at the time, Senator Durbin, that if you don’t like your health care plan, in some cases, you can now switch and get another one. I mean, this thing just seems, every day, in every way, seems to me more confused. Is there any hope of getting it straightened out?

DURBIN: Bob, let’s look at the bottom line. The bottom line is this. Ten million Americans have health insurance today who would not have had it without the Affordable Care Act — 10 million. And we can also say this. It is going to reduce the deficit more than we thought it would. We were seeing a decline in the growth of the cost of health care, exactly our goal in passing this original legislation. I’m finding people, as I go across Illinois, who, for the first time in their lives, have an opportunity for affordable health insurance for their families. Now, there are many republicans who are wishing that this fails, hoping they can find any shred of evidence against it. But we had a bad rollout. Let’s concede that point. Since then, we are gaining steam. And I think, ultimately, we’re going to find you can’t go back. You have to extend the health insurance protection to the 25 million, 30 million Americans who will ultimately have it, and we’ll be a better nation for it.

First, the CBO report did not say that deficits would be lower than claimed because of ObamaCare. In fact, they warned of rapidly increasing deficits by the end of the current ten-year projection, after a small decline at present to, er, a half-trillion dollars — larger than any fiscal year in a George W. Bush-signed budget.

But more astonishing is the claim that 10 million people have insurance now that would not have had it without ObamaCare. In fact, the opposite is true — there have been fewer confirmed enrollments through ObamaCare than the number of people who have lost their existing insurance plans because of the changes. The absurd nature of this flat-out lie prompted the Washington Post’s Glenn Kessler to award Durbin four Pinocchios for the claim (via JWF):

Durbin went a step further and claimed that all of these people would not have had health insurance if not for the Affordable Care Act.

That’s simply ridiculous. For instance, members of Congress, such as Durbin, previously had health insurance and are now obligated to get it via the exchanges. But the problem goes deeper than that.

The Wall Street Journal in January detailed some of the surveys that have taken of people who obtained insurance through the exchanges, and the results so far indicate that the vast majority of enrollees were previously insured.

Durbin appears to have taken two dodgy claims from the White House and added them together — those signed up for plans through exchanges and the addition of 6.3 million people to Medicaid. The issue of sign-ups vs enrollments and the previous status of those actually enrolled is part of the problem with Durbin’s claim, but so is the Medicaid figure:

Meanwhile, just last Avalere threw cold water on the 6.3 million Medicaid figure, estimating that only 1.1 to 1.8 million of the enrollees could be attributed to the Affordable Care Act. That estimate generated headlines, including a full report in The Washington Post that said it suggested “many of the people who have joined the program since the initiative’s rollout in October would have done so absent the law.”

In other words, the Medicaid enrollment numbers are so suspect that, at this point, they should not be used in any formulation regarding the Affordable Care Act.

In fact, almost all of the numbers are suspect, thanks to the incompetence at HHS and the severe flaws of the exchanges. That’s the bottom line.

Update, 2/12: It was Face the Nation, not Meet the Press, Thanks to Kerry Picket for the correction.


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not that it matters much, but itself Bob Schieffer the moderator for Face the Nation

powerpickle on February 10, 2014 at 10:04 AM

Dick Durbin a liar? Must be a day ending in a “y”.

Throat Wobbler Mangrove on February 10, 2014 at 10:05 AM

Grandpappy Bishop once told me, “Listen here you worthless little POS, don’t never ever trust a man with dog eyes. Now get out of here before I horse whip you again.”

Bishop on February 10, 2014 at 10:11 AM

How do they keep reelecting this guy?

bluegill on February 10, 2014 at 10:11 AM

The goal is not to get the uninsured insured.

The goal is to get the independent dependent on government.

Good Lt on February 10, 2014 at 10:13 AM

…old people…signing up for Medicare.

KOOLAID2 on February 10, 2014 at 10:15 AM

How is this not proof positive that it’s a small cliche of union hacks that are electing people like Durbin. I just can’t believe that a community of families and hard working people would freely elect such a reprehensible, lying sack of carp.

beselfish on February 10, 2014 at 10:16 AM

I’m finding people, as I go across Illinois, who, for the first time in their lives, have an opportunity for affordable health insurance for their families.

And I’m sure that you also are finding people who, for the first time in their lives, have no health insurance thanks to the filthy rat-eared coward and all you despicable vermin. Why don’t you mention them you terrorist-loving criminal?

Not everybody in America wants to work part-time. Just the parasites who vote for Democrats. I defy you to name one hard-working Democrat in all America. Just one. Lazy stupid parasites all.

Happy Nomad on February 10, 2014 at 10:16 AM

Grandpappy Bishop once told me, “Listen here you worthless little POS, don’t never ever trust a man with dog eyes. Now get out of here before I horse whip you again.”

Bishop on February 10, 2014 at 10:11 AM

It figures that you were beat as a child.

oldroy on February 10, 2014 at 10:17 AM

Has he ever told the truth? Lies with a smile. Too bad Schieffer doesn’t have nads to challenge him on his B.S., not that he would regardless.

major dad on February 10, 2014 at 10:18 AM

Won’t watch, but I’m sure Scheiffer corrected Durbin and asked him if he was trying to deceive his audience…

d1carter on February 10, 2014 at 10:20 AM

Grandpappy Bishop once told me, “Listen here you worthless little POS, don’t never ever trust a man with dog eyes. Now get out of here before I horse whip you again.”

Bishop on February 10, 2014 at 10:11 AM

SO grandpa used to beat the bishop?

Bevan on February 10, 2014 at 10:20 AM

Good Lt on February 10, 2014 at 10:13 AM

that is a quick thread winner

More thief mentality on display. They have to lie to cover the motives.

DanMan on February 10, 2014 at 10:20 AM

But these Obamacare posts are about whistling past the graveyard, by next Novemeber Democrats will be openly running on the ACA. Mark my words.

libfreeordie on December 20, 2013 at 10:14 AM

Chris of Rights on February 10, 2014 at 10:21 AM

The goal is not to get the uninsured insured.

The goal is to get the independent dependent on government.

Good Lt on February 10, 2014 at 10:13 AM

Ding, ding, ding, GoodLt.

Naturally Curly on February 10, 2014 at 10:21 AM

How do they keep reelecting this guy?

bluegill on February 10, 2014 at 10:11 AM

Cook County.

Eric in Hollywood on February 10, 2014 at 10:27 AM

“Pinochio” is such a misleading euphemism for knowing and unrepentant liar.

ezspirit on February 10, 2014 at 10:28 AM

But these Obamacare posts are about whistling past the graveyard, by next Novemeber Democrats will be openly running on FROM the ACA. Mark my words.

libfreeordie on December 20, 2013 at 10:14 AM

Chris of Rights on February 10, 2014 at 10:21 AM

Might be time for a re-write. ;0

Happy Nomad on February 10, 2014 at 10:28 AM

I think if our grandparents could hear this White House and the vermin in Congress say “losing 2.3 million jobs is a good thing as it keeps people from being job-locked” and imply that being a freeloader off of the government is a positive development, they probably would have thought long and hard about some of the sacrifices they made about 70 years or so ago.

USNCVN on February 10, 2014 at 10:30 AM

Did Kessler give President Stompyfoot the 4 nose award when he made the same claim in the SOTU?

This BS is never going to end.

lynncgb on February 10, 2014 at 10:33 AM

Durbin, Pelosi, Reid, Schumer, et al. Nothing but liars who buy votes with the taxpayers’ money while punching holes in the hull of the sinking U.S.S. Titianic.

HiJack on February 10, 2014 at 10:33 AM

I think if our grandparents could hear this White House and the vermin in Congress say “losing 2.3 million jobs is a good thing as it keeps people from being job-locked” and imply that being a freeloader off of the government is a positive development, they probably would have thought long and hard about some of the sacrifices they made about 70 years or so ago.

USNCVN on February 10, 2014 at 10:30 AM

And our young people are still dying for a nation whose leadership couldn’t care less for them, because their sacrifices don’t further a Marxist agenda.

HiJack on February 10, 2014 at 10:35 AM

The goal is not to get the uninsured insured.

The goal is to get the independent dependent on government

Good Lt on February 10, 2014 at 10:13 AM

That’s it in a nutshell…couldn’t have been said better.

merleliz on February 10, 2014 at 10:38 AM

HiJack on February 10, 2014 at 10:35 AM

Yep.

USNCVN on February 10, 2014 at 10:39 AM

Senator Dum-Dum does it again. Maybe if he spent more time in Illinois than he does with Senator Schumer and the other two dem senators he rooms with, he might not suffer so much from brain disengagement before speaking.

Since internet meetings are a fact of life for many, why don’t members of Congress and the Senate attend meetings from offices in their home states and only go to Washington for the start of Congress after an election and for the State of the Union address. This could give their constituents more influence on their votes than the Washington lobbiests have.

polarglen on February 10, 2014 at 10:40 AM

Never let the truth get in the way of a good story. Apparently Durbin thinks he and his party can continue to deceive people in this manner as they’ve done since this law was enacted. Let’s all do our part to make sure these guys are held accountable for this travesty.

SquareHead on February 10, 2014 at 10:40 AM

Do pathological idiots like Durbin even know they are lying?

rplat on February 10, 2014 at 10:42 AM

I think if our grandparents could hear this White House and the vermin in Congress say “losing 2.3 million jobs is a good thing as it keeps people from being job-locked”

USNCVN on February 10, 2014 at 10:30 AM

Not just eliminating job-lock! Sponging off the government instead of working means you get to cook dinner at home! We are becoming France (or Greece, or Spain, or any European socialist state). AND THE DEMOCRATS ARE LAUDING IT AS A POSITIVE THING!

Again, there isn’t one Democrat in America that isn’t a parasite who contributes nothing to society.

Happy Nomad on February 10, 2014 at 10:45 AM

Do pathological idiots like Durbin even know they are lying?

rplat on February 10, 2014 at 10:42 AM

The end justifies the means. They know. They have the endgame in sight.

Fallon on February 10, 2014 at 10:45 AM

Don’t forget the other lie in there: about ACA lowering the cost of care.

CMS specifically said that the cost of care is higher with Obamacare than it would be without.

The Schaef on February 10, 2014 at 10:50 AM

Blatant, idiot, liberal, liar!

ultracon on February 10, 2014 at 10:54 AM

If not for lying, defenders of ObamaCare would have nothing in their arsenal.

pwrefugee on February 10, 2014 at 10:54 AM

I live in an Illinois red area (if there is such a thing) Durbin is a cancer to this country and it’s all courtesy of Chicago. Even some of the leftards around my area don’t like him.

lpd_1 on February 10, 2014 at 11:05 AM

Durbin may be in the fight of his life in Illinois, as he has some strong challengers for his seat. The Obamacare mess he voted for, should remove him from the Senate. Would be a big upset but is a possibility.

Amazingoly on February 10, 2014 at 11:07 AM

Gee, he lies to all of our faces and he gets “Four Pinocchios”.

“Four Pinocchios”.

Wow, how will Durbin handle such a thrashing? A tax-payer funded trip, perhaps? Increase to his Federal pension?

Get back to me when people are strength-testing lamp posts.

Saltyron on February 10, 2014 at 11:08 AM

Durbin is on message.

The pusillanimous weasel here is Bob Schieffer.

ignatzk on February 10, 2014 at 11:09 AM

In fact, almost all of the numbers are suspect, thanks to the incompetence at HHS and the severe flaws of the exchanges. That’s the bottom line.

And not just suspect numbers regarding Obamacare….

…and those suspect numbers have nothing to do with incompetence and everything to do with a feckless Administration overly focused on politics and appearances that demonstrates itself as little more than a farce with its claim that it is the ‘most open and transparent Administration’s ever’. The frequency and arrogance of the lies are pathological…

One of the WaPoo’s apologists, Kessler, however will only note these lies when they are just so obvious, so over the top, that even the lapdog media sycophants have to throw a flag on the claim…

Athos on February 10, 2014 at 11:12 AM

“Opportunity created by affordable, quality health insurance allows families in America to make a decision about how they will work, or if they will work,” Jay Carney said.

Incentive.

Akzed on February 10, 2014 at 11:17 AM

Yesterday on Meet the Press,

???

When I saw the headline, I naturally assumed this was an old story, since the claim that Obamacare will insure more people was obviously expired.*

But if Durbin made the claim yesterday, then it’s no wonder he was awarded 4 Pinocchios. Even the WaPo fact checker has some sense of shame.

*As Jim Geraghty says: “All of Obama’s promises have expiration dates. All of them.”

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 10, 2014 at 11:28 AM

It won’t be long until the press corps go after politicians like Durbin, Schumer, and especially Obama. They’ll dig out the truth! Why I remember Watergate and how Dan Rather pummelled Nixon. Those two strong WaPo investigative reporters, Woodward and Bernstein worked night and day to ferret out Deep Throat.
What? You say Nixon was a Republican? Oh, I forgot. You say Reporters International Union forbids bipartisan investigative reporting? oh, I see………………………….

Herb on February 10, 2014 at 11:32 AM

We need a new law: If a Congressman/Senator lies, they go directly to jail for 10 years and lose their pension and seat. If that doesn’t stop them, it will get rid of them.

sadatoni on February 10, 2014 at 11:34 AM

We need a new law: If a Congressman/Senator lies, they go directly to jail for 10 years and lose their pension and seat. If that doesn’t stop them, it will get rid of them.

sadatoni on February 10, 2014 at 11:34 AM

Then we need two new laws. The one you mention. And one designating Capitol Hill as a federal correctional facility.

Happy Nomad on February 10, 2014 at 11:49 AM

We need a new law: If a Congressman/Senator lies, they go directly to jail for 10 years and lose their pension and seat. If that doesn’t stop them, it will get rid of them.

sadatoni on February 10, 2014 at 11:34 AM

Just think how much money we would save on heating, cooling and lighting the Congressional building – because it would be empty.

Flora Duh on February 10, 2014 at 11:52 AM

Lies, Lies and more damned Lies.

Nothing – NOT ONE THING – about ObamaCare is factual in any way, shape or form. It was sold to us as a LIE, and now it’s being defended by more LYING!

Expect this b.s. to continue right up until November as the Libs try to weasel their way into the hearts, minds, wallets and feet of the American Voter. DON’T BUY INTO THE LIES!

And another thing – TERM LIMITS!

Pelosi Schmelosi on February 10, 2014 at 11:54 AM

We need a new law: If a Congressman/Senator lies, they go directly to jail for 10 years and lose their pension and seat. If that doesn’t stop them, it will get rid of them.

sadatoni on February 10, 2014 at 11:34 AM

Just think of the economic boost from building all of the new jails we would need. Then the employment from operating them… wait that would all come from tax payer money. Nevermind..

NiteOwl on February 10, 2014 at 11:59 AM

Hi! My name is Dickless Durbin! Watch me pull made-up numbers out of my ass in order to impress you!

GarandFan on February 10, 2014 at 12:12 PM

How do they keep reelecting this guy?

It is Illinois, isn’t it; home of Barry Soetoro?

Pardonme on February 10, 2014 at 12:14 PM

Then we need two new laws. The one you mention. And one designating Capitol Hill as a federal correctional psychiatric facility.

Happy Nomad on February 10, 2014 at 11:49 AM

FIFY…

…Because doing the same thing again and again while expecting different results is the sign of insanity.

Athos on February 10, 2014 at 12:14 PM

How do they keep reelecting this guy?

bluegill on February 10, 2014 at 10:11 AM

I see dead people…voting.

Nutstuyu on February 10, 2014 at 12:21 PM

That screen cap needs to be made into billboards up and down 90/94, 290, 55.

Nutstuyu on February 10, 2014 at 12:23 PM

Why is Durbin being a liar news?

GEAH on February 10, 2014 at 12:28 PM

The goal is not to get the uninsured insured.

The goal is to get the independent dependent on government.

Good Lt on February 10, 2014 at 10:13 AM

This.

Ricard on February 10, 2014 at 12:50 PM

These ludicrous lies are simply meant for their followers to repeat on C-SPIN, radio talk shows, and their facebook pages.

Lee Jan on February 10, 2014 at 2:05 PM

Get back to me when people are strength-testing lamp posts.

Saltyron on February 10, 2014 at 11:08 AM

Load testing lamp posts. I will remember that one.
thanks!

Missilengr on February 10, 2014 at 2:46 PM

What will astound historians is when they examine the money spent by the Gimmedats from 2006 onward they will be amazed at the both the amount spent and that NOTHING was accomplished.
I hope they conclude (as few in the gaggle of Presstitutes are able) that this was the fundamental purpose of the Gimmedats. (The name escapes me but he was a MA-pol in FDR cabinet) who said: “We will tax and tax and spend and spend.” With no specific purpose in mind of course.
In our modern era there is a purpose with King Putt’s policies and that is the incremental demolition of our economy and society.

Missilengr on February 10, 2014 at 2:58 PM

We should do what some other countries have done and separate the big cities from the states and call them city-states.

crankyoldlady on February 10, 2014 at 3:07 PM

Are there no walls in Chicago?

Murphy9 on February 10, 2014 at 3:08 PM

Can anyone remember the last time “Shady Dick” Durbim spoke a word of thruth? I didn’t think so.

John21 on February 10, 2014 at 4:04 PM

The state of Illinois is a disaster and they have a Senator who is also a disaster. Can you say he is either lying or just plain incompetent? Either way Illinois deserves what they have in this loser.

regmgr on February 10, 2014 at 6:47 PM

Old people have to sign up for medicare. The regs are such that you are penalized if you don’t and your current primary coverage won’t cover you anymore. It’s not free either, there are premiums and the go up each year while the coverage goes down. No wonder docs don’t want you as a patient anymore.
At some point you have to wonder if these people really do live in an alternate world or they just like to lie to your face for political gain. Selling one’s soul for profit is what Jesus was talking about when he said the rich would not see Heaven.

Kissmygrits on February 11, 2014 at 8:38 AM