Do we really need “judged” events in the Olympics?

posted at 6:31 pm on February 9, 2014 by Jazz Shaw

First the good news. The USA got some medal action in the opening rounds of the Olympics in Sochi. And at least one of them was in … snowboarding.

Five medals gold down, 93 more to go. The first full day of competition at the Sochi Olympics featured an unexpected snowboard gold, a medal shutout for the home team, sweet figure skating redemption and seemingly more interest abroad in these Games, than at home.

First, the surprise. When Shaun White dropped out less than 24 hours before qualification for the snowboard slopestyle event, no one thought his 20-year-old teammate would win the first gold medal of these Games. Sage Kotsenburg, who defines being chill, seemed as surprised as everyone else.

At the start of the day, the Spicoli from Fast Times at Ridgemont High doppelganger tweeted: “Whoa how random is this I made finals at the Olympics!!!” A few hours later, he became the first American since 1952 to win the first gold medal of a Winter Olympics. So how did he feel? Stoked, of course, after such a sick run, he said.

Slopestyle.

Stoked.

Sick run.

Congratulations to Sage Kotsenburg. It’s an accomplishment to be sure. But it brings up a nagging question about the most modern versions of these games. The opening days saw competition not just in snowboarding slopestyle, but in various figure skating events. These competitions – along with others here and in the summer Olympics – all have one thing in common; they require the scores of judges to determine the winner.

Do we really need this? The idea of a competitive “sport” – and the Olympics is supposed to be all about the idea of peaceful international competition – seems to be flushed down the drain when you start bringing judges into it. When I was a young man, it used to be standard fare on Saturday Night Live to make jokes about “the East German judge” screwing up the outcome of the events. (Some of our younger readers may have to Google that one, but there was an “East Germany” at one time.) It seemed as if people were actually surprised that an outside viewer might allow personal or international bias and interests to corrupt the purity of the Olympic scoring process.

But nothing has changed, except possibly the names and biases of the judges involved. Or maybe they’re just crazy. Who knows? But the point here is that the winner of the competition should be determined by the competitors with a clear outcome demonstrated by somebody winning. That was the basis of all the original events. One wrestler would pin the other. The fastest racer crosses the line first. The boxers knocked each other out. Even in skiing we at least see most of the events decided by who makes it down the hill fastest.

Now we have dancing on ice, dancing on mats with sticks and ribbons, and “sick” spinning jumps on snowboards. If you’re going to have a snowboard competition, either base it on who makes it to the bottom of the hill first or at least give them each a baseball bat. The one who crosses the finish line with the least bruises wins. Just give us a real sporting competition where we don’t have to wait for judges to add up their own observations on the merits of the play. That’s not a sport. It’s performance art.


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I’d grandfather in figure skating and gymnastics (for the summer) and let the rest go their own way.

philosoph0123 on February 9, 2014 at 6:34 PM

What’s Carrot Top doing on the picture?

Lanceman on February 9, 2014 at 6:34 PM

Bishop?

philosoph0123 on February 9, 2014 at 6:34 PM

I’d give this post an 7.8. It covered the requirements, but lacked passion.

Flange on February 9, 2014 at 6:37 PM

Absolutamente NO!

If it is “judged” it is NOT a sport. It is art, it is often amazing, but without an objective measure, it is never a sport.

opsailor on February 9, 2014 at 6:37 PM

Uh, yes.

Women’s or paired figure skating is virtually the only Olympic event in either season that I won’t immediately turn off.

Except for curling, of course.

HitNRun on February 9, 2014 at 6:39 PM

If they have a whole industry judging the movies, why not the Olympics. At least I can agree with the Olympic judges most of the time. With hollywood, never.

rik on February 9, 2014 at 6:39 PM

Let’s just not keep scores, have judges, etc, and just give everyone a meaningless medal of participation.

ConstantineXI on February 9, 2014 at 6:39 PM

Do we really need the Olympics is the more pertinent question.

Warner Todd Huston on February 9, 2014 at 6:42 PM

Yeah, this is something I’ve often thought about as well. As much as I love skateboarding and BMX, it’s pointless to have a competition without a solid, objective score, or a crosser of the finish line, or whatever. I don’t really care about the Olympics, to tell you the truth. But introducing judges makes everything subjective. You may as well make Miss America an Olympic sport.

WhatSlushfund on February 9, 2014 at 6:42 PM

Do we really need “judged” events in the Olympics?

100% NO!!

reddevil on February 9, 2014 at 6:43 PM

I’m not sure what’s worse

Bob Costas

or

NBCABCMSNBCCNNCBSPBS

Franklin100 on February 9, 2014 at 6:45 PM

Are you planning on kicking out boxing?

David Blue on February 9, 2014 at 6:46 PM

I love snowboarding. Love watching the event.

The one who crosses the finish line with the least bruises wins. Just give us a real sporting competition where we don’t have to wait for judges to add up their own observations on the merits of the play. That’s not a sport. It’s performance art.

My brother was an NCAA div 1 gymnast, and I know that it is a sport that requires years of hard work.

If some of you old fogeys don’t want to watch snowboarding or gymnastics and want to say things like “stoked” “sick” to make fun, then fine. But you’re not the only ones out there, and if you don’t like it then you can just stick to other events.

I love the skating, the gymnastics, the diving, the snowboarding and all of the other events that require aerial flips.

There is room for that and also for things like long-distance running.

Get with the times. Snowboarding is here to stay. It is also one of the higher-rated events among younger viewers.

bluegill on February 9, 2014 at 6:46 PM

So you’re just going to pretend that the athletes in the “judged” sports don’t go through the same physical rigor as athletes in the more “objective” ones. I suppose we’re also going to pretend that there isn’t a ton of subjective judging in terms of who gets on teams, who qualifies for the Olympics. Pro status is up for grabs based on the whims of the NHL. So the final event might have a more objective standard, but all sports are rife with subjectivity.

libfreeordie on February 9, 2014 at 6:47 PM

Are you planning on kicking out boxing?
David Blue on February 9, 2014 at 6:46 PM

Good point!

bluegill on February 9, 2014 at 6:47 PM

I’d grandfather in figure skating and gymnastics (for the summer) and let the rest go their own way.

philosoph0123 on February 9, 2014 at 6:34 PM

You forgot about the Russo-French vote swapping scandal of the Salt Lake City games. Figure skating deserves to be eliminated.

blammm on February 9, 2014 at 6:47 PM

When I was a young man, it used to be standard fare on Saturday Night Live to make jokes about “the East German judge” screwing up the outcome of the events.

Nothing came close to the out-of-control cheating that the South Koreans engaged in during the Seoul Olympics. That was one of the most pathetic displays of a sick culture I had ever seen in my life … and pretty much the last time I actively watched much of any Olympics – and that was a Summer Olympics. The Winter games are generally pretty stupid and less of an attraction to begin with.

Personally, I couldn’t care less about this Olympics and who wins what there.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on February 9, 2014 at 6:47 PM

So you’re just going to pretend that the athletes in the “judged” sports don’t go through the same physical rigor as athletes in the more “objective” ones. I suppose we’re also going to pretend that there isn’t a ton of subjective judging in terms of who gets on teams, who qualifies for the Olympics. Pro status is up for grabs based on the whims of the NHL. So the final event might have a more objective standard, but all sports are rife with subjectivity.
libfreeordie on February 9, 2014 at 6:47 PM

The liberal is right here this time! You tell them.

bluegill on February 9, 2014 at 6:48 PM

Do we really need “judged” events in the Olympics?

ReWrite™ engaged.

Answer – No.

Steve Eggleston on February 9, 2014 at 6:49 PM

So some equestrian sports–dressage which has been part of the combined training/military event for over 100 years–is out?

vityas on February 9, 2014 at 6:50 PM

When I was a young man, it used to be standard fare on Saturday Night Live to make jokes about “the East German judge” screwing up the outcome of the events.

I’d give this post an 7.8. It covered the requirements, but lacked passion.

Flange on February 9, 2014 at 6:37 PM

7.8, 7.8, 7.9, 7.8, and 3.4 from the East German judge.

Steve Eggleston on February 9, 2014 at 6:52 PM

I’d grandfather in figure skating and gymnastics (for the summer) and let the rest go their own way.

philosoph0123 on February 9, 2014 at 6:34 PM

Where do you think the “East German judge” joke came from?

Steve Eggleston on February 9, 2014 at 6:53 PM

Are you planning on kicking out boxing?

David Blue on February 9, 2014 at 6:46 PM

Between boxing and figure skating, who has the more corrupt judges.

RickB on February 9, 2014 at 6:54 PM

bluegill on February 9, 2014 at 6:46 PM

I don’t think that anyone is disputing that the sports you mention don’t require athleticism. Of course they do. The debate is over whether judging is sound in a contest of sport. I suppose you could argue that there are referees in football, baseball and tennis, for example, but that seems like a very different thing than someone giving a “9.5” to a diver or whatever. At least the calls of the football/baseball/tennis referees can be verified by instant replays. But dumb stuff like figure skating is purely subjective.

WhatSlushfund on February 9, 2014 at 6:54 PM

And regarding boxing, if you don’t knock the other guy out, you didn’t win. Simple.

WhatSlushfund on February 9, 2014 at 6:55 PM

7.8, 7.8, 7.9, 7.8, and 3.4 from the East German judge.

Steve Eggleston on February 9, 2014 at 6:52 PM

Polka was always bigger in East Germany than Jazz, so no surprise there.

Flange on February 9, 2014 at 6:56 PM

I’d give this post an 7.8. It covered the requirements, but lacked passion.

Flange on February 9, 2014 at 6:37 PM

Post of the week.+ 10. Sure beats talking about cats.

docflash on February 9, 2014 at 6:58 PM

Women’s or paired figure skating is virtually the only Olympic event in either season that I won’t immediately turn off.

Except for curling, of course.

HitNRun on February 9, 2014 at 6:39 PM

I don’t normally ban people, but if you’re going to diss curling, you’re outta here.

Jazz Shaw on February 9, 2014 at 6:59 PM

Yes we need judged events so the Marxists countries can win some medals.

bgibbs1000 on February 9, 2014 at 7:01 PM

Doesn’t matter – NBC wastes so much time with talking heads, interviews, studies, there’s seldom an event on that we see being judged.

sadatoni on February 9, 2014 at 7:01 PM

I like the idea of baseball bats, Jazz. Bring back Rollerball rules.

John the Libertarian on February 9, 2014 at 7:02 PM

I don’t normally ban people, but if you’re going to diss curling, you’re outta here.

Jazz Shaw on February 9, 2014 at 6:59 PM

Read it again, Jazz. HitNRun said he wouldn’t turn off curling immediately.

Steve Eggleston on February 9, 2014 at 7:03 PM

That’s not a sport. It’s performance art.

Good grief, that snowboarding is not a sport, or freestyle skiing, or gymnastics is not a sport, diving is not a sport

…and oh yeah, Jazz, they have to talk exactly the way you want them to talk, no “street” talk…just the canned expressions like “I think my competitors are very strong”, “I am very excited to be in the finals”.

Probably one of the most disappointing lead in to a thread I have ever read…

Scoring is bad,therefore it can’t be a sport…Jazz Shaw not your best.

right2bright on February 9, 2014 at 7:04 PM

Doesn’t matter – NBC wastes so much time with talking heads, interviews, studies, there’s seldom an event on that we see being judged.

sadatoni on February 9, 2014 at 7:01 PM

In the 2012 Olympics, I paid ten bucks to get a british IP address for a month and watched the entire games on the BBC. Immensely better.

libfreeordie on February 9, 2014 at 7:04 PM

MeanWhile,..about four days ago, the Mocking by Canadians:

Canadians trash Shaun White for pulling out of slopestyle

Dan Wetzel
By Dan Wetzel February 5, 2014 10:40 AM Yahoo Sports
*****************************************************

SOCHI, Russia – On Wednesday, American snowboarding star Shaun White announced he was dropping out of the slopestyle event at the Winter Olympics citing the potential for injury on a course deemed unfairly difficult by some. He’ll concentrate on the halfpipe instead.

The decision came as somewhat of a surprise, although not nearly as unexpected as the reaction that followed via two competitors from a country historically known for anything but its trash talking.

Almost immediately after White announced his decision two Canadian snowboarders, Sebastien Toutant and Max Parrot, mocked him on Twitter. Both claimed White was really afraid of losing, not getting hurt.

“Shaun knows he won’t be able to win the slopes, that’s why he pulled out. He’s scared!” Parrot tweeted.

Parrot later took down his tweet and offered an apology. However, his opinion was clearly known.

A short while later, Toutant followed with this:

Mr. White… Its easy to find excuses to pull out of a contest when you think you can’t win…
— Sebastien Toutant (@SebToots) February 5, 2014

(More……)
=============

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/snowboarders–taunts-of-shaun-white-continues-canada-s-bold-olympic-attitude-154013678.html

canopfor on February 9, 2014 at 7:06 PM

watched the entire games on the BBC. Immensely better.

libfreeordie on February 9, 2014 at 7:04 PM

Yeah, immensely better.

John the Libertarian on February 9, 2014 at 7:06 PM

But dumb stuff like figure skating is purely subjective.

WhatSlushfund on February 9, 2014 at 6:54 PM

Yet, with a few exceptions, the favorite, that is the one that is deemed the best is the one that gets the higher scores…gee, what a coincidence.

You can point to a handful of examples, 2 or 3, where judges were wrong…

But, maybe one of the most famous of all was a sport where “objective” is not used, but a final score…Russia vs. American, Olympic, basketball…1972.

Looks like we should ban basketball also…and some memorable soccer calls, and some memorable sailing calls.

The fact is, subjectivity is always around…but it seems the best teams and athletes weather through it, except for 1972 basketball…or 1956 water polo, the day the pool ran red…

right2bright on February 9, 2014 at 7:12 PM

Ain’t no judge like the clock, scale, or measuring tape…

JohnGalt23 on February 9, 2014 at 7:12 PM

watched the entire games on the BBC. Immensely better.

libfreeordie on February 9, 2014 at 7:04 PM

Why? Is Jimmy Saville one of the hosts…?

JohnGalt23 on February 9, 2014 at 7:13 PM

In his own words:

Today | Sage Kotsenburg WINS 1st USA Gold – Sochi Slopestyle Gold Medal ( Official )
Published on Feb 8, 2014
************************

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFaY4gP3Lug

canopfor on February 9, 2014 at 7:14 PM

Up until about a week ago I had never even heard the word “slopestyle.” Now it seems I come across it at least once a day, I’m not even watching the Olympics.

Galtian on February 9, 2014 at 7:17 PM

Nothing more needs to be said and put this foolish issue to bed.

1972 Olympics, U.S. vs. Russia, basketball, no controversy their, they won 51 to 50…

right2bright on February 9, 2014 at 7:18 PM

With so many things computerized these days you would have thought someone would have developed software which could interpret the nuance of performances once the tape of the performance was fed into the computer.

technopeasant on February 9, 2014 at 7:18 PM

Yeah, immensely better.

John the Libertarian on February 9, 2014 at 7:06 PM

OK that was hilarious, you have no sense of humor if you didn’t like that. And that was Irish TV, not the BBC.

Why? Is Jimmy Saville one of the hosts…?

JohnGalt23 on February 9, 2014 at 7:13 PM

Gross.

libfreeordie on February 9, 2014 at 7:19 PM

technopeasant on February 9, 2014 at 7:18 PM

Before the final score, all the judges watch it in slo-mo from cameras at different angles, just like football when a player scores.

right2bright on February 9, 2014 at 7:20 PM

Heres Sage’s Run:

Sunday Feb. 9, 2014 01:39 ET
Sage Kotsenburg’s gold medal run in snowboard slopestyle
********************************************************

http://olympics.cbc.ca/videos/video/sage-kotsenburg-gold-medal-run-snowboard-slopestyle.html

canopfor on February 9, 2014 at 7:23 PM

I don’t normally ban people, but if you’re going to diss curling, you’re outta here.

Jazz Shaw on February 9, 2014 at 6:59 PM

Whoa, whoa, excuse my implied double negative.

Curling is the only Olympic sport I’ll watch, is what I was saying. Except, as also mentioned, figure skating with a female participant. I get what you’re saying about judged sports but the only reason I’m keeping any of that crap on is exactly because it’s just a dancer.

I wish some of the bars around here would put in a curling…pitch, would you call it? Pond?

HitNRun on February 9, 2014 at 7:23 PM

right2bright on February 9, 2014 at 7:20 PM

Thanks. I didn’t know that.

technopeasant on February 9, 2014 at 7:25 PM

Not to forget the Woman:

Sochi 2014 ‏@Sochi2014 13h

That’s double Gold in the #Snowboard #Slopestyle for Team USA as @Jme_Anderson becomes the Women’s Olympic champion pic.twitter.com/2LSMGal2Ew
===========================

canopfor on February 9, 2014 at 7:26 PM

Looks like we should ban basketball also…and some memorable soccer calls, and some memorable sailing calls.

right2bright on February 9, 2014 at 7:12 PM

No, there is a difference between judging and referring. Putting the ball through the hoop or in a goal is the way to win (2 or 3 points or 1 goal), rather than determined by judging of style, such as whether the player utilized sufficient spin, arc, or memorability (a three pointer hitting the backboard is still a three pointer, or a rebound a foot from the goal is still a goal)

Anyway, the US performs well in these judged action sports, hence they get included in the Olympics. While Americans win slope style (judged) or other sports with often a luck-element (ski cross), they barely participate, let alone win in snowboard events requiring one to finish first (slalom).

voss63 on February 9, 2014 at 7:26 PM

Give everybody who competes an itty, bitty gold medal for trying, like they do in little league games these days.

That way, nobody has their feelings hurt or the pride damaged.

/s

Ruckus_Tom on February 9, 2014 at 7:28 PM

* refereeing

voss63 on February 9, 2014 at 7:29 PM

How on earth did you get any sort of — lack of physical difficulty — (not quoting, obviously) from what I wrote? Dear Lord, my knees went into a crying jag when I was watching the mogul short ski jumping (whatever that was called) last night. I am not denying that these events involve far more physical ability than I have ever had and that those who participate are far better athletes than 99% of the general population. For me, the question involves the issue of judging — I don’t like how the subjectivity enters into the equation here.

Yes, bad officiating can ruin scored sports, but that can be corrected and is not an aspect of the nature of the sport itself. Subjective scoring is such an aspect.

My two cents worth (and you might not be getting your money’s value here!)

philosoph0123 on February 9, 2014 at 7:30 PM

Sorry, but the judged sports – snowboarding, ice dancing (go Meryl Davis and Charlie White!), figure skating, etc. – are some of the more interesting to watch. There is room for different kinds of sports at the Olympics. Never understood the desire to limit it.

DisneyFan on February 9, 2014 at 7:30 PM

Fouls and penalties are subjective calls in other sports, which affect the outcome.

I enjoy the winter Olympics, moreso than the summer games.

changer1701 on February 9, 2014 at 7:31 PM

7.8, 7.8, 7.9, 7.8, and 3.4 from the East German judge.

Steve Eggleston on February 9, 2014 at 6:52 PM

Ha ha, good times! But they handled this by “throwing out” the highest and lowest scores. They do this with diving and all sorts of established summer and winter events.

That said, I have zero interest in watching these games, for the first time ever.

ncinca on February 9, 2014 at 7:34 PM

Bring back Rollerball rules.

John the Libertarian on February 9, 2014 at 7:02 PM

See, if Rollerball were an Olympic sport, the Olympics would be a lot cooler…

JohnGalt23 on February 9, 2014 at 7:34 PM

But dumb stuff like figure skating is purely subjective.

WhatSlushfund on February 9, 2014 at 6:54 PM

Yet, with a few exceptions, the favorite, that is the one that is deemed the best is the one that gets the higher scores…gee, what a coincidence.

You can point to a handful of examples, 2 or 3, where judges were wrong…

But, maybe one of the most famous of all was a sport where “objective” is not used, but a final score…Russia vs. American, Olympic, basketball…1972.

Looks like we should ban basketball also…and some memorable soccer calls, and some memorable sailing calls.

The fact is, subjectivity is always around…but it seems the best teams and athletes weather through it, except for 1972 basketball…or 1956 water polo, the day the pool ran red…

right2bright on February 9, 2014 at 7:12 PM

Dude, I’ve read your post like 50 times and I still have no idea what you were trying to say.

About the only thing that I can make out is this:

The fact is, subjectivity is always around

This evokes arguments made by faux post-modernists. They argue that nothing can ever be known, and then they use that as a doorway to inject Socialism.

The reality is that Socialism is rooted firmly in epistemological foundationalism, and thus has nothing to do with post-modernity.

WhatSlushfund on February 9, 2014 at 7:35 PM

With so many things computerized these days you would have thought someone would have developed software which could interpret the nuance of performances once the tape of the performance was fed into the computer.

technopeasant on February 9, 2014 at 7:18 PM

A computer program that determines artistic creativity? That line between perky and overly pretentious? Just give everybody a participation ribbon and be done with it.

Happy Nomad on February 9, 2014 at 7:35 PM

a medal shutout for the home team

I guess having the Russian Olympic Team pull double duty by mucking out the restrooms wasn’t as good idea as they thought. ;0

Happy Nomad on February 9, 2014 at 7:36 PM

Crap,..pulled the trigger to early:

Heres Jamie’s score:

https://twitter.com/Sochi2014/status/432464754586959872/photo/1/large

canopfor on February 9, 2014 at 7:38 PM

1972 Olympics, U.S. vs. Russia, basketball, no controversy their, they won 51 to 50…

right2bright on February 9, 2014 at 7:18 PM

Yeah, no controversy there either…

(Sorry…)

climbnjump on February 9, 2014 at 7:39 PM

You try completing a quadruple loop on ice while landing on a thin sliver of a blade.After you have fractured your butt come back here and call it your sorry-assed attempt at “performance art”!Figure skating requires a tremendous amount of athleticism and physical skill-certainly just as much as the “performing” part of it.It may not be my favorite sport,but sport it is!

redware on February 9, 2014 at 7:40 PM

And,..Jamie Anderson run,..(WOW),..prior to Sochi Games, (Videos):

Jamie Anderson Stomps the Win in Women’s Snowboard Slopestyle Final
******************************************************************

Following the qualifier, which took place earlier this week at the Dew Tour iON Mountain Championships in Breckenridge, Colorado, eight women left it all on the course today during an intense Women’s Snowboard Slopestyle Final—competing under partly cloudy skies, dropping temperatures, heavy wind and a setting sun.

With the competition being a USSA-sanctioned Olympic selection event, the riders went all in for a chance to win the Dew Cup and get one step closer to Sochi.

Similar to the qualifier, each of eight riders had two runs down the course, with only their highest score counting toward the win.
===============================================================

http://www.dewtour.com/actionsports/event/ion-breckenridge-mountain-championships-2013/news/jamie-anderson-stomps-win

canopfor on February 9, 2014 at 7:42 PM

Where is qotd?

OmahaConservative on February 9, 2014 at 7:44 PM

Why? Is Jimmy Saville one of the hosts…?

JohnGalt23 on February 9, 2014 at 7:13 PM

JohnGalt23:Lol,…..ahems,..”That Monster”"!:)

canopfor on February 9, 2014 at 7:45 PM

The one who crosses the finish line with the least bruises wins.

And just who will be the judge of that, Jazz? ;-)

ShainS on February 9, 2014 at 7:46 PM

Yeah, no controversy there either…

(Sorry…)

climbnjump on February 9, 2014 at 7:39 PM

Yeah, I know, but too lazy to correct…fortunately, this site is for people with thoughts and ideas…the grammar and editing site is down the hall.

If you have a problem understanding the idea, or thought, be sure and let us know, we will help you newbies out…

right2bright on February 9, 2014 at 7:47 PM

I think everyone should get a medal because I know they all tried really really hard. /

Cindy Munford on February 9, 2014 at 7:48 PM

Ha ha, good times! But they handled this by “throwing out” the highest and lowest scores.

ncinca on February 9, 2014 at 7:34 PM

That was after the Yugoslavian score was tossed.

Flange on February 9, 2014 at 7:49 PM

I think everyone should get a medal because I know they all tried really really hard. /

Cindy Munford on February 9, 2014 at 7:48 PM

LOLZ! That is why I quit attending T-Ball games…

OmahaConservative on February 9, 2014 at 7:49 PM

Why so dyspeptic? Many youth are different than most of us who are older. Let them enjoy their moments of a demonstration of their athletic expertise. They deserve their joy.

rlwo2008 on February 9, 2014 at 7:52 PM

The reality is that Socialism is rooted firmly in epistemological foundationalism, and thus has nothing to do with post-modernity.

WhatSlushfund on February 9, 2014 at 7:35 PM

Dude, than I will type slower so you understand.

The fact is, they are still sporting events, and just because they don’t all judge the same way, that is by a score or time, it doesn’t mean they are worthless or not a “sporting event”.

There is always “controversy” when someone is trying to win…we can’t remove, nor should be remove that. That is what makes it “fun” and interesting…but I gave a few examples of “objective” sports that were tainted, and Jazz or anyone else, where they thought the subjective was wrong in the Olympics.

Try reading what Jazz wrote, he even had a problem with the way that the gold medal winner spoke…so not only do they have to be judged the way he things, they also have to talk the way he talks.

Sheeesh…I have these newbies, but in a few weeks you guys will learn to read.

right2bright on February 9, 2014 at 7:53 PM

Yeah, I know, but too lazy to correct…fortunately, this site is for people with thoughts and ideas…the grammar and editing site is down the hall.

If you have a problem understanding the idea, or thought, be sure and let us know, we will help you newbies out…

right2bright on February 9, 2014 at 7:47 PM

Me a newbie? Shirley, you jest!

But as you pointed out, you’re too lazy to know that. So yeah you are forgiven.

climbnjump on February 9, 2014 at 7:57 PM

As a long-time and extremely knowledgeable fan of both gymnastics and baseball, I can say without reservation that I have far more faith in gymnastics judges than I do baseball umpires. And, of course, compared to gymnasts, baseball players are hardly even athletes. At some level, all sports are judged, even ‘against the clock’ sports like alpine skiing, skating, track, and swimming.

Knott Buyinit on February 9, 2014 at 7:57 PM

I thought at first that you are right, we could do without arbitrary sports that require subjective grading.

Then again, I would have to argue that the rest of the sports actually have any real value to my life or that of my loved ones. And quite frankly the Olympics, even without figure skating and snowboarding, really are nothing to much care about.

The athletes cheat, using drugs, steroids and hormone treatments to boost their performance. Some teams are benefited from technological cheats such as specially created swim suits, springy shoes specially designed just for that one athlete, special material bicycle parts, multi-hundred thousand dollar sleds that have been through multi-million dollar aerodynamic chambers.

In the end, we do not know how far along our species has come, as these cheats overcome natural human abilities which are not passed down through our genes.

So in the end, what difference does it make if some events are arbitrary based on the personality issues when even the hard and fast timed, rules points and knock out games themselves are as contaminated and arbitrary? I say none.

astonerii on February 9, 2014 at 7:58 PM

I think everyone should get a medal because I know they all tried really really hard. /

Cindy Munford on February 9, 2014 at 7:48 PM

They’re all winners for just making it there! Why ruin that with a lot of judgement????

Happy Nomad on February 9, 2014 at 7:59 PM

Hmmmm… decided to avoid the Obamacare of sports on Onbc–this whole event years ago turned into a UN type style over substance PC appeasement circle jerk.. but God Love ya if you choose to watch…

HatfieldMcCoy on February 9, 2014 at 8:00 PM

Almost all sports have “judges” that often decide the winner.

Remember that game when your team, (fill in appropriate NFL, MBL or NBA team here) should have won that big game, but the friggin refs made (or didn’t make) that BS call? Yeah, that game.

Frank Lib on February 9, 2014 at 8:01 PM

Finally, somebody has written something that makes sense to these senseless competitions that are based on subjective reasoning. Get rid of the judged events, or at least keep from awarding medals for their performances. And that’s what they are. Performances, not competitions.

HiJack on February 9, 2014 at 8:02 PM

LOLZ! That is why I quit attending T-Ball games…

OmahaConservative on February 9, 2014 at 7:49 PM

It didn’t have anything to do with you being older than anyone else on the team, did it? ;0

Happy Nomad on February 9, 2014 at 8:02 PM

Do we really need “judged” events in the Olympics?

That is the real question.

RickB on February 9, 2014 at 8:02 PM

There is nothing more exciting than skating backwards at high speed around an arena, and turning on a blade. Like flying. My skating days are over. I love to watch people take it to the limit. I hate the yucky music and themes.

That is the weird part of the Olympics. We don’t have wrestlers coming out in thematic leotards, representing say, the spirit of rock and roll, versus the young green sprouts of spring opening their arms to the sun

Judging doesn’t bother me. I call my own winners

Kotzenburg was amazing. He was so perfect he couldnt believe it either. He earned his medal. Him and God, because what he did was unreal. Glad I recorded it

I dont think anyone could do what he did, unless they were so mellow they had no fear to hold them back. That also means crazy

entagor on February 9, 2014 at 8:03 PM

right2bright: mwah. And now if you will excuse me, I see Thai food in my future.

WhatSlushfund on February 9, 2014 at 8:04 PM

Sheeesh…I have these newbies, but in a few weeks you guys will learn to read.

right2bright on February 9, 2014 at 7:53 PM

Don’t take yourself so seriously, man. The newbies aren’t just yours, they’re here for all of us to enjoy.

climbnjump on February 9, 2014 at 8:05 PM

For the BG one, who knows not american slang, and blamed ‘old fogeys’ for the words ‘stoked and ‘sick’ :

stoked adjective: very excited

Full Definition of STOKED

slang: being in an enthusiastic or exhilarated state

See stoked defined for English-language learners
Examples of STOKED
He was stoked to see her.
We’re pretty stoked about the upcoming benefit concert featuring a galaxy of rock stars…

sick

1)crazy, cool, insane
2)what one is on a test day

1)man, that trick was sick yo
2)i played sick on my big bio test day

So to the illiterate BG one…

APOLOGISE To us ‘old fogeys’ if you will!!

Scrumpy on February 9, 2014 at 8:10 PM

You try completing a quadruple loop on ice while landing on a thin sliver of a blade.After you have fractured your butt come back here and call it your sorry-assed attempt at “performance art”!Figure skating requires a tremendous amount of athleticism and physical skill-certainly just as much as the “performing” part of it.It may not be my favorite sport,but sport it is!

redware on February 9, 2014 at 7:40 PM

Amen. If people listened close to the knowledgable announcers and experts, they would understand that judgment is not entirely subjectively based. There are many aspects that require objective discernment.

rlwo2008 on February 9, 2014 at 8:10 PM

Sporting events are no longer about competition or physical perfection. It is about conforming to the rules. And in sports where being physical is the sport, we’re replaced that with non-contact sports i.e.; replacing football with soccer..where every kid is a winner because at some levels of play they don’t even keep score.

The NFL is slowly adopting the “participant trophy” mentality. In baseball, I can see in the future a change to the Balls and Strikes rule to allow sucky players to get more pitches…you know…to be “fair”.

Hitting over .300? You get 3 balls and 2 strikes.

Hitting under .150? The manager can throw one of his 3 Automatic Walk flags onto the field before the first pitch.

The East German judge would like that.

BobMbx on February 9, 2014 at 8:15 PM

No we don’t need judged events. Like Jazz Shaw said this is about sports, not performance art. If that’s what you wan go see Lady Gaga or Miley Cyrus tweaking. Snowboarding used to be a sport, now your score might depend if the you slept with the judge from Moldova.

simkeith on February 9, 2014 at 8:20 PM

Let’s just not keep scores, have judges, etc, and just give everyone a meaningless medal of participation.

ConstantineXI on February 9, 2014 at 6:39 PM

Right and then everybody would have good self esteem.

crankyoldlady on February 9, 2014 at 8:22 PM

Just because YOU can’t do it, doesn’t mean it’s not a sport. Boxing, if there is no KO, is scored by judges. I assume the same is true of wrestling if no one is pinned.

Sheerq on February 9, 2014 at 8:24 PM

Several years ago there was a revival of curling here. There’s a lake and a canal. I know of a local museum that still has the stones they used.

crankyoldlady on February 9, 2014 at 8:25 PM

No we don’t need judged events. Like Jazz Shaw said this is about sports, not performance art. If that’s what you wan go see Lady Gaga or Miley Cyrus tweaking. Snowboarding used to be a sport, now your score might depend if the you slept with the judge from Moldova.

simkeith on February 9, 2014 at 8:20 PM

I am kind of guessing here, but try to keep an open mind, and if you are going to argue back, feel free to find the numbers I do not have at my fingertips…
The advertizing revenues from the olympics is likely very heavily based on the judged events that you deride so heavily. No income, no broadcasts. It would likely be a barely broadcast event if it were not for those, and thus, I would argue that if you want to watch “sports” (your individual ideal) go to ESPN where you pay for it.

astonerii on February 9, 2014 at 8:26 PM

That’s not a sport. It’s performance art.

I tend to think of a sport as a competition which involves objective scoring, can be split into offensive and defensive phases, and requires physical exertion / athleticism.

Consequently, things like boxing, track, high jump, luge, synchronized swimming, skiing, gymnastics, ice skating, and so many other Olympic events are not sports.

But that’s why what’s going on in Sochi isn’t called the Olympic sports, but the Olympic Games.

Stoic Patriot on February 9, 2014 at 8:26 PM

Do we really need “judged” events in the Olympics?

…only if Justice Roberts…gets to decide!

KOOLAID2 on February 9, 2014 at 8:28 PM

Judged events are every bit as much “sport” as anything else. The problem is not with subjective judging for some events but with the Olympics, itself, which is a Eurotrash POS joke that is not about sports or competition but about some stupid Eurotrash notion of tribal rivalry that they take into everything they do or touch.

Again, the problem is not the judging but the Olympics, itself. The nations that participate (and there is no reason to have any national element in what should be world championships for sports that have no, or very meager, professional leagues) are, in general, dirtball cultures that value cheating and lying above sportsmanship or performance. To put any judging in their hands is to make a mockery of the idea of honest competition.

For those sports which have serious professional leagues, there is no point in having them participate in the Olympics.

Now, as to all of the idiotic new sports they keep putting in (while taking real events, such as wrestling, out) … that just makes the Olympics even more of a mockery of itself. Let the third world and Eurotrash nations host the games to their hearts’ delight. They love wasting money on them, building stadiums and parks that they immediately mothball and let go to ruin.

The Olympics were a nice idea, to start, but any time the Eurotrash idiots are allowed to have input … everything gets degraded into silly tribal rivalry over any sense of sportsmanship or competition or performance or merit or anything – and the third world countries tend to even be worse (as difficult a feat as that is).

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on February 9, 2014 at 8:28 PM

APOLOGISE To us ‘old fogeys’ if you will!!
Scrumpy on February 9, 2014 at 8:10 PM

I didn’t read the post very carefully before commenting, and maybe it wasn’t dissing snowboarding culture.

By “old fogeys” I didn’t mean to insult older-aged people but rather people who aren’t open to additional and new forms of athletic competition.

bluegill on February 9, 2014 at 8:35 PM

By “old fogeys” I didn’t mean to insult older-aged people but rather people who aren’t open to additional and new forms of athletic competition.

bluegill on February 9, 2014 at 8:35 PM

Most of the new events are simply retarded.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on February 9, 2014 at 8:35 PM

I hate that hotdog crap.

So, you can do tricks on your snowboard. yay

I like the speed stuff. The downhill skiing, the bobsled, the speed skating, the hockey.

Moesart on February 9, 2014 at 8:45 PM

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