Quotes of the day

posted at 8:31 pm on February 8, 2014 by Allahpundit

The CBO projects that [ObamaCare] will reduce the supply of labor, not the availability of jobs. There’s a big difference. In fact, it suggests that aggregate demand for labor (that is, the number of jobs) will increase, not decrease; but that many workers or would-be workers will be prompted by the ACA to leave the labor force, many of them voluntarily.

As economist Dean Baker points out, this is, in fact, a beneficial effect of the law, and a sign that it will achieve an important goal. It helps “older workers with serious health conditions who are working now because this is the only way to get health insurance. And (one for the family-values crowd) many young mothers who return to work earlier than they would like because they need health insurance. This is a huge plus.”

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Oh my God, say opponents of the ACA, here is the government encouraging sloth! That’s true only if you wish to take away the choices the law gives that 64-year-old or to those parents looking for more time to care for their children. Many on the right love family values until they are taken seriously enough to involve giving parents/workers more control over their lives.

And it’s sometimes an economic benefit when some share of the labor force reduces hours or stops working altogether. At a time of elevated unemployment, others will take their place. The CBO was careful to underscore — the CBO is always careful — that “if some people seek to work less, other applicants will be readily available to fill those positions and the overall effect on employment will be muted.”

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What the truth might be, and what few politicians would dare say, is there might simply be some value in lower economic growth

Initially, says one expert, there will be benefits in the fact that there is plenty of slack in the labor market. The combination of many unemployed Americans and many people finding jobs just to get insurance means that if a few people cut back their hours, there will be more hours for the people who want them. In and of itself, that theoretically means people will be much happier, says Ken Jacobs, chair of the Labor Center at the University of California-Berkeley, though that effect would dissipate as the job market improves.

“GDP growth isn’t a good in and of itself,” he says. “The question here is what’s going to create the most happiness for the greatest numbers of people. Being in a situation where people have to work full time or 40 hours a week at a job that may not be the best match for them because that is the only way to get health insurance is not the way you create the greatest happiness for the greatest number of people.”

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Already, based on the work of Gluskin Sheff economist David Rosenberg, there is evidence that much of the recent drop in the labor participation rate down to 1970s-levels is being driven by the availability — and the potential abuse — of welfare programs that disincentivize work

I can’t say I blame some people for making this choice. And many are, given the parabolic growth we’ve seen in the number of people collecting disability and food stamp benefits over the last few years.

According to a presentation by Gary Alexander, Pennsylvania’s secretary of public welfare, a single mom is better off earning a gross income of $29,000 and applying for welfare benefits (including children’s health insurance, child care and housing subsidies) that would give her a total of $57,327. If she worked hard and earned a gross income of $69,000, her after-tax take home pay will be just $57,045.

Why then, would she take that extra shift at work or apply for a promotion? Especially since these numbers don’t account for the additional health care subsidies available under ObamaCare.

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Here is how I would frame the issue: There are specific classes of people who plainly benefit, in fairly uncomplicated ways, from benefits that provide an incentive to work less, or leave a job outright. The obvious examples are the ones that liberals keep invoking: Parents of young children (for whom the family-friendly tax overhaul that conservative reformers like to tout would presumably have a similar effect), and people with a disability or chronic medical condition that makes work a simple misery.

But there also lots of people who emphatically do not benefit from being given an incentive to either detach from the workforce or (if they’re already unemployed or underemployed) remain detached rather than taking a lower-paying job. And given the current economic landscape, especially — in which persistently high unemployment coexists with a growing population of workers too discouraged to even look for work — the size and scope of a work-discouraging effect matters a great deal: The bigger the effect, the more likely that the people dropping out aren’t just, say, parents cutting hours to spend more time at home while the other spouse works full time, but people we should want to be attached to the workforce, for their own long-term good and the good of the economy as well.

Which is why it’s appropriate that the new C.B.O. projection of 2 million to 2.5 million job-equivalents disappearing has inspired more disquiet and debate than the old projection of 500,000-900,000 … because it’s a sign, however provisional, that the costs of Obamacare’s workforce effects might exceed the benefits. I don’t see liberals reckoning seriously with that possibility, and I think they really should.

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In 2024, spending on Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and the Obamacare health insurance exchange subsidies will absorb two-thirds of the $4.9 trillion in revenue the CBO expects the federal government to collect. Add in the rest of mandatory spending and interest payments on the debt, and 96 percent of tax revenues will already be spoken for before Congress allocates money to pay for defense, veteran’s benefits, education, transportation, the court system, international affairs and other budget items…

In short, the CBO is portraying a future in which a smaller proportion of workers in a relatively weaker economy will be expected to subsidize an increasing number of government beneficiaries. And Obamacare is making matters even worse.

With one hand, according to the CBO, Obamacare will spend $2 trillion over the next decade on expanding Medicaid and subsidizing individuals to purchase health insurance. With the other hand, its subsidies will discourage the economic equivalent of 2.5 million individuals from working.

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House minority leader Nancy Pelosi says the CBO report vindicates Obamacare, because “this was one of the goals: to give people life, a healthy life, liberty to pursue their happiness. And that liberty is to not be job-locked, but to follow their passion.” Pelosi is particularly invested in this view. She’s been mocked for years now for her repeated claims that Obamacare is an entrepreneurial bill because it would let Americans quit their jobs to, among other things, “write poetry.”…

[A]ccording to the CBO, not every lost hour of work is the amateur poet’s gain. Yes, Obamacare lets people keep their health insurance even if they quit their jobs to master iambic pentameter. But the law also raises the implicit marginal tax on people looking for work; the more you earn, the fewer subsides you get. Thus, for many people, the costs of taking on more or better work will exceed the gains. So at least some people won’t feel liberated so much as trapped

Hopefully voters will look for ways to liberate these Democrats from the curse of job-lock come November.

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The larger betrayal, Mr. Mulligan argues, is that the same economists now praising the great shrinking workforce used to claim that ObamaCare would expand the labor market.

He points to a 2011 letter organized by Harvard’s David Cutler and the University of Chicago’s Harold Pollack, signed by dozens of left-leaning economists including Nobel laureates, stating “our strong conclusion” that ObamaCare will strengthen the economy and create 250,000 to 400,000 jobs annually. (Mr. Cutler has since qualified and walked back some of his claims.)

“Why didn’t they say, no, we didn’t mean the labor market’s going to get bigger. We mean it’s going to get smaller in a good way,” Mr. Mulligan wonders. “I’m unhappy with that, to be honest, as an American, as an economist. Those kind of conclusions are tarnishing the field of economics, which is a great, maybe the greatest, field. They’re sure not making it look good by doing stuff like that.”

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Every man and woman sitting idle because there is no work to be had — or because idleness literally pays better — is a potential poultry farmer gathering no eggs, somebody who could be growing roses or baking bread or proofreading romance novels. Say’s Law — that we produce in order to consume — is not a mere economic abstraction, and scarcity is not the product of economists’ imagination. They are features of the real world — they are physical facts. Every barrier that politicians put in the way of dealing with scarcity through free exchange and the division of labor — every tax, rule, and regulation — not only separates a worker from a paycheck but, more important, separates a worker from work, from the process of production and experimentation that enables us to, among other things, eat, and live in houses, and read J. K. Rowling books to our children.

Pope Francis is right to worry about the economics of “exclusion,” but he is wrong — and destructively wrong — about the instruments of that exclusion. The diversity of human interests, human desires, and human abilities is in effect infinite, and so too, therefore, are the uses of labor and opportunities for employment. Surely there are many paths to a “right livelihood” waiting to be discovered. And yet there sits official Washington, along with its supramarginal gyrus in the media, trying to figure out how to “create jobs” like an ape doing one of those monochromatic jigsaw puzzles with half the pieces missing, desperately working at “manipulating the world in order to get what we want from it,” forcing together pieces that do not fit.

And that is the perverse price of politics: that there are so few jobs to be had when there is so much work to be done.

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Work is a virtue that should be reflexively encouraged. It is the means by which standards of living are grown, human potential is reached, individual lives are focused, positive and negative instincts are channeled, resources are utilized most efficiently, and, above all, by which dignity remains intact. It is the best antidote to personal and national ossification and sclerosis, and the primary means by which our present material comfort was achieved. It is the driving force behind improvement, both real and imagined, in the nation’s mainstream culture. Whatever the ideal role of government in contriving work or wages for those who are without them, we should all presumably be able to agree that if we are going to have an intrusive state, it should be doing precisely the opposite of encouraging people to limit their involvement in work.. (Prudence dictates that I couch this asseveration with a disclaimer: No, I do not consider it the role of government to force people to work against their will, nor to support them if they choose not to. But that is a decidedly different question from whether it should do more to enable them not to work.)…

Progressives who are scratching their heads and asking themselves why conservatives who are “pro-business” and who have long wished to decouple health insurance and employment aren’t thrilled at recent developments might do well to heed their own advice. “George W. Bush,” Barry Switzer one quipped, “was born on third base and thought he hit a triple.” The implication of the joke: How you get somewhere matters. They are right, and so, herewith let it be resolved: Being forced to buy products is not the same thing as choosing to; leaving work because Uncle Sam is helping you out on the side is not the same thing as electing to leave without assistance; and winning the fruits of success without the hard work that has traditionally served as a prerequisite is no victory at all. We deserve government that recognizes these truths. Will we get it? Time will tell.

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DOMENECH: I think the real question Chris for you is, how many jobs are too many jobs? How few jobs are too few jobs. Its one of these situations where I think, in terms of the evaluation that the American people are going to make for themselves, my own perspective is, I’d rather have that family working more hours, because it’s going to increase their income over the course of time. It’s going to lead to better outcomes for their family. The perspective on the other side is, well, they’re working fewer hours, but they’re going to have health insurance, they’re going to have Obamacare there for them. And I think that that’s a question of what kind of economy do you want? Do you want one where people are working more hours for themselves and their families? Or do you want one where some people are going to be working more hours to pay for the subsidies, and some people are going to be working fewer hours but they’ll have health care?

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So who is Frank?

gophergirl on February 8, 2014 at 9:24 PM

Frank is a %^&*&^%^^ who accused me and another commentor-though not by name(coward0-of being WD clones after we mentioned on a WD thread that we had made the decision to left our children live w/ our exes.

He claimed that we had abandoned our child.
We did not.
I was BANNED for less than the sh*t that transpired in that thread.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 8, 2014 at 9:29 PM

thatsafactjack on February 8, 2014 at 9:27 PM

Always somebody messing the place up with lies…

Think the perp is toast, at least I hope so MG!!

One other needs gone also…

Scrumpy on February 8, 2014 at 9:29 PM

Nearly everything here is obvious to us conservatives. We come here for the echo chamber, didn’t you know that?

captnjoe on February 8, 2014 at 9:30 PM

Lanceman on February 8, 2014 at 9:24 PM

:)

cozmo on February 8, 2014 at 9:24 PM

I’ll have to find some online.

INC on February 8, 2014 at 9:30 PM

So, when was your last IRS audit????

captnjoe on February 8, 2014 at 9:27 PM

I’m too poor to pay taxes. Blood out of a turnip.

crankyoldlady on February 8, 2014 at 9:31 PM

Scrumpy on February 8, 2014 at 9:25 PM

thx Scrump.
The gultch has been a nice place of late.
Thx for having me.

bazil9 on February 8, 2014 at 9:31 PM

Scrumpy on February 8, 2014 at 9:29 PM

I read that thread. It’s shameful behavior on their part, indeed. I’d hope management might take a dim view of such behavior.

thatsafactjack on February 8, 2014 at 9:31 PM

Andrea Tarantos is correct!

SouthernGent on February 8, 2014 at 9:32 PM

Think of HotAir readers who come upon this site and want to read the blogger analysis and the comments to it.

Do they care about any of this chit chat nonsense? NO. Many more read this site than comment in these threads regularly. It is rude to take over this section for self-indulgent chat.

If the commenting setup does eventually change on this site, I wouldn’t be surprised if the misuse of this and other sections is a reason behind the site administrators’ decision to shift to a new commenting system.

Now, I’m going swimming with my new sporti antifogs. Enjoy your Sat night!

bluegill on February 8, 2014 at 9:32 PM

So, been lurking for a bit today and I have a question. You don’t think it’s likely that someone might get confused by a person who refers to her son as “spawn” and think that she’s not so great of a mom?

Is that like “Spawn of Satan” or what?

That being said, ACA is working as intended. Forcing more people to work harder to pay for more people to work less. Awesome.

NativeTexan on February 8, 2014 at 9:32 PM

hawkdriver on February 8, 2014 at 9:20 PM

Cool. What kind of wood are you laminating? Are you tying to make a very stable top with hard wood?

SparkPlug on February 8, 2014 at 9:25 PM

Well, it’s some pretty thick laminated oak and I’m putting gray laminate on top to make a router table and attach it to my table saw. On wheels. So, I can make furniture or ride in the driveway. Then a bunch of smaller tops for scrolls saws, sanders and such. A whole woodshop makeover. Nobody came to film any of it though.

And the preponderance of quotes above are about the Affordable Care Act. My comment on that is that I don’t like it. I don’t like it at all.

hawkdriver on February 8, 2014 at 9:32 PM

ALT, don’t re-litigate. Let it go :)

captnjoe on February 8, 2014 at 9:32 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on February 8, 2014 at 9:29 PM

Lovely – sorry you had go through that.

gophergirl on February 8, 2014 at 9:32 PM

bazil9 on February 8, 2014 at 9:31 PM

Wasn’t me! I really don’t know who came up with it, but we been rollin’ along for a while now, thank you sweety :)

Scrumpy on February 8, 2014 at 9:32 PM

Frank

RickB on February 8, 2014 at 8:33 PM

:)

How does cred build? Not by attacks. By telling the truth.

SparkPlug on February 8, 2014 at 9:17 PM

+1.21 jiggawatts

Axe on February 8, 2014 at 9:32 PM

P.s. – keep going after me. You will build my cred here.

bluegill on February 8, 2014 at 9:09 PM

…off your meds…and on heroin now?

KOOLAID2 on February 8, 2014 at 9:33 PM

crankyoldlady on February 8, 2014 at 9:31 PM

Yes, me too. I find a certain satisfaction in it, not much else, but satisfaction.

captnjoe on February 8, 2014 at 9:33 PM

captnjoe on February 8, 2014 at 9:27 PM

We got audited 3 times in 4 years.
Last year they ‘lost’ our return.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 8, 2014 at 9:33 PM

Andrea Tarantos is correct!

SouthernGent on February 8, 2014 at 9:32 PM

And hot!

Lanceman on February 8, 2014 at 9:33 PM

hawkdriver on February 8, 2014 at 9:32 PM

I’m hoping the ‘Affordable Care Act’ doesn’t harm us all, ultimately.

thatsafactjack on February 8, 2014 at 9:34 PM

Think of HotAir readers who come upon this site and want to read the blogger analysis and the comments to it.

bluegill on February 8, 2014 at 9:32 PM

There is no “blogger analysis” for QoTD.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on February 8, 2014 at 9:34 PM

thatsafactjack on February 8, 2014 at 9:31 PM

One can but hope MG, as to the one here, I wish… well n’nuff said.

She just can’t quit complaining, if she don’t like it, leave!! :)

Scrumpy on February 8, 2014 at 9:34 PM

Report: Palin parts ways with Fox News

posted at 6:51 pm on January 25, 2013 by Allahpundit

…would help…to show you which one…don’t know how to link it!

KOOLAID2 on February 8, 2014 at 9:07 PM

You did notice that was last year.

RickB on February 8, 2014 at 9:34 PM

Axe on February 8, 2014 at 9:32 PM

Good evening, Axefellow. :)

Truth is.

thatsafactjack on February 8, 2014 at 9:35 PM

My one on topic comment:

The main purpose of the CBO has become to act as a propaganda tool by the person(s) who fed in manipulated data in order to obtain a manipulated outcome.

The reality of ObamaCare will eventually overwhelm the propaganda of ObamaCare.

INC on February 8, 2014 at 9:35 PM

Now, I’m going swimming with my new sporti antifogs. Enjoy your Sat night!

bluegill on February 8, 2014 at 9:32 PM

nag, nag, nag. Your leaving, so we will.

captnjoe on February 8, 2014 at 9:35 PM

How does cred build? Not by attacks. By telling the truth.

SparkPlug on February 8, 2014 at 9:17 PM

+1.21 jiggawatts

Axe on February 8, 2014 at 9:32 PM

Megadittoes.

INC on February 8, 2014 at 9:35 PM

…We come here for the echo chamber, didn’t you know that?

captnjoe on February 8, 2014 at 9:30 PM

I’m a little slow. I must not be a conservative.

Fenris on February 8, 2014 at 9:35 PM

There is no “blogger analysis” for QoTD.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on February 8, 2014 at 9:34 PM

Most of us know that, anyway…

OmahaConservative on February 8, 2014 at 9:36 PM

Good evening, lovingmyUSA. :)

I like your style. :)

thatsafactjack on February 8, 2014 at 9:18 PM

Heh, love yours. Great teaming up against that 42 maroon! Wish I was here more–like I used to be–but…have a man in my life now. For some reason, he frowns on me being on the laptop all the time…especially after bedtime.

lovingmyUSA on February 8, 2014 at 9:36 PM

I’m hoping the ‘Affordable Care Act’ doesn’t harm us all, ultimately.

thatsafactjack on February 8, 2014 at 9:34 PM

The ball is in motion. Everyone will be hurt. Just a question of when and how at this point.

Y’know, Alan Grayson had some advice for us.

Lanceman on February 8, 2014 at 9:36 PM

thatsafactjack on February 8, 2014 at 9:34 PM

it needs repealing and him impeached, nothing else for it…

Scrumpy on February 8, 2014 at 9:37 PM

I’ve started a new group Newbies for KCB

307wolverine on February 8, 2014 at 9:18 PM

Can I join? I’m not a newbie anymore, but I still feel like one. BTW,,,*clink!*

KCB on February 8, 2014 at 9:37 PM

Fenris, that actually is a very good read. Only six words, but this is the money quote.

Work is not created — work creates.

hawkdriver on February 8, 2014 at 9:37 PM

Scrumpy on February 8, 2014 at 9:34 PM

It never stops b*tching and whining….dear God..can’t imagine it
in real life!

bazil9 on February 8, 2014 at 9:37 PM

Fenris on February 8, 2014 at 9:35 PM

Hang around a while and the good will rub off on ya!

ALT

I hear ya, they “loose” my company 940′s every year. It’s a constant battle.

captnjoe on February 8, 2014 at 9:38 PM

INC on February 8, 2014 at 9:35 PM

Well said. When they purposes front loaded the ‘benefits’ of ObamaCare because the CBO can only legally project costs for ten years, and set the pain to hit after that benchmark, and the CBO went along with that, the ‘impartiality’ of the CBO was exposed as nothing more than an invitation to manipulation.

thatsafactjack on February 8, 2014 at 9:38 PM

Lanceman on February 8, 2014 at 9:36 PM

Indeed, and in true Democrat fashion, tried to lay it off on the other guy.

thatsafactjack on February 8, 2014 at 9:39 PM

It never stops b*tching and whining….dear God..can’t imagine it
in real life!

bazil9 on February 8, 2014 at 9:37 PM

Scary thought

gophergirl on February 8, 2014 at 9:39 PM

. . . 1500+ comments on QOTDs. :) Wow.

The open reg idea should get Simpson a bonus this year. Or young Eggleston. This sort of thing sounds like young Eggleston. He’s got a real future, that one.

Where’s giant-breasted Diana with my coffee? NVM. I’ll get it.

Hey, there are quotes up there. Cool. I’ll read a couple.

Axe on February 8, 2014 at 9:39 PM

It never stops b*tching and whining….dear God..can’t imagine it
in real life!

bazil9 on February 8, 2014 at 9:37 PM

Can’t put my finger on it, but it feels better in here. Like we were missing something and now we…aren’t.

KCB on February 8, 2014 at 9:39 PM

I am all for what the President is doing. What is wrong with working less, spreading the jobs and wealth around?

Lord knows, there are plenty of Mexicans around to pick up the slack. Probably 200 of them for every available job. If they want to ork bad enough to move up here, I say “More power to them!”.

THANK YOU, President Obama!

AnninKA on February 8, 2014 at 9:39 PM

nag, nag, nag. Your leaving, so we will.

captnjoe on February 8, 2014 at 9:35 PM

I wish I wish I hadn’t killed that fish…

Lanceman on February 8, 2014 at 9:39 PM

Ah….well c’mon. Bring some beers.

bazil9 on February 8, 2014 at 9:25 PM

did somebody say… “BEERS”…. I like Beers…. ;)

oscarwilde on February 8, 2014 at 9:39 PM

cozmo on February 8, 2014 at 9:24 PM

I’ll have to find some online.

INC on February 8, 2014 at 9:30 PM

Color correcting the green chick (Yvonne Craig as the Orion slave girl) is legendary.

I like the ones that involved the ships. Those were some real craftsmen.

cozmo on February 8, 2014 at 9:40 PM

bazil9 on February 8, 2014 at 9:37 PM

Lol, I’d have put it out of it’s misery long long ago ;D

Scrumpy on February 8, 2014 at 9:40 PM

is it possible to text on an iphone while wearing sporti antifogs?

renalin on February 8, 2014 at 9:40 PM

Is there a secrete handshake?

captnjoe on February 8, 2014 at 9:21 PM

Nope-but the secret password is ‘Carlos Danger’.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 8, 2014 at 9:23 PM

And a special physical exam…

lovingmyUSA on February 8, 2014 at 9:40 PM

Steaks were awesome! just wanted to chit chat.

KCB on February 8, 2014 at 9:40 PM

Lol, I’d have put it out of it’s misery long long ago ;D

Scrumpy on February 8, 2014 at 9:40 PM

LOL…I had the same thoughts… ;)

bazil9 on February 8, 2014 at 9:41 PM

lovingmyUSA on February 8, 2014 at 9:36 PM

WOT! he’s trying to change your ways??? No fair lol ;)

Scrumpy on February 8, 2014 at 9:41 PM

Now, I’m going swimming with my new sporti antifogs. Enjoy your Sat night!

bluegill on February 8, 2014 at 9:32 PM

You say something like that every Saturday night hagfish. Yet you never leave. You just lie.

cozmo on February 8, 2014 at 9:41 PM

lovingmyUSA on February 8, 2014 at 9:36 PM

Thank you, indeed. You’re wonderful.:)

I hope to see much more of you.

I completely understand about the not being on the laptop thing, too. ;)

thatsafactjack on February 8, 2014 at 9:41 PM

Libfree had another meltdown at dinner tonight. He bit into a baked potato that was a little to hot and began cursing it, calling it racist and screaming about the Koch brothers burning bid tongue.

Had to break our rule on no tv at the table. But nothing soothes his tantrums like MSNBC.

libfreesMom on February 8, 2014 at 9:41 PM

lovingmyUSA on February 8, 2014 at 9:36 PM

Well, congratulations. I’m happy for you.

crankyoldlady on February 8, 2014 at 9:42 PM

thatsafactjack on February 8, 2014 at 9:41 PM

SNAP! Different logics’ lol ;)

Scrumpy on February 8, 2014 at 9:42 PM

did somebody say… “BEERS”…. I like Beers…. ;)

oscarwilde on February 8, 2014 at 9:39 PM

Somehow I knew that. *clink!*

KCB on February 8, 2014 at 9:42 PM

hawkdriver on February 8, 2014 at 9:32 PM

Wow. I’m pretty much doing the same thing only not as well. I just put wheels on Table saw. I’ll see you a link to a good way of doing it so you can set the table saw down when there is no need to roll.

http://youtu.be/w8KUfxS_nCA

SparkPlug on February 8, 2014 at 9:42 PM

hawkdriver on February 8, 2014 at 9:32 PM

I’m hoping the ‘Affordable Care Act’ doesn’t harm us all, ultimately.

thatsafactjack on February 8, 2014 at 9:34 PM

It’s already affected my family. My daughter went from one full time job to two part time jobs and lost her plan. Her anti-rejection meds are a nightmare to pay for right now. And ta’da, she doesn’t qualify for any subsidy.

hawkdriver on February 8, 2014 at 9:42 PM

captnjoe on February 8, 2014 at 9:38 PM

Heh, I think I’ve probably been reading this site longer than most. Although I didn’t manage to get registered until a couple years ago.

Fenris on February 8, 2014 at 9:43 PM

thatsafactjack on February 8, 2014 at 9:38 PM

It was a numbers scam.

INC on February 8, 2014 at 9:43 PM

Libfree had another meltdown at dinner tonight. He bit into a baked potato that was a little to hot and began cursing it, calling it racist and screaming about the Koch brothers burning bid tongue.

Had to break our rule on no tv at the table. But nothing soothes his tantrums like MSNBC.

libfreesMom on February 8, 2014 at 9:41 PM

YOU are absolutely GOLDEN!!

Laugh every time I see you, thank you :)

Scrumpy on February 8, 2014 at 9:43 PM

libfreesMom on February 8, 2014 at 9:41 PM

He must be a hand full.

KCB on February 8, 2014 at 9:43 PM

just wanted to chit chat.

KCB on February 8, 2014 at 9:40 PM

Please remember that this isn’t a chat room. It’s annoying having to scroll through self-indulgent chatty clutter from people who abuse these commenting sections.

bluegill on September 25, 2012 at 7:19 PM

Lanceman on February 8, 2014 at 9:43 PM

I wish I wish I hadn’t killed that fish…

Lanceman on February 8, 2014 at 9:39 PM

Link didn’t work, I think it was dyslexic

captnjoe on February 8, 2014 at 9:44 PM

Bluegill has sporty auntie frogs? Who knew?

thatsafactjack on February 8, 2014 at 9:44 PM

libfreesMom on February 8, 2014 at 9:41 PM

This is the funniest nic idea I’ve seen in a long time.

I mean, really Mrs Libfree, he was that angry?

hawkdriver on February 8, 2014 at 9:44 PM

captnjoe on February 8, 2014 at 9:38 PM

Heh, I think I’ve probably been reading this site longer than most. Although I didn’t manage to get registered until a couple years ago.

Fenris on February 8, 2014 at 9:43 PM

I’m a noobie, somebody left a link and suggestion at my blog, so I scrumpled over to see what all the chatter was about.

oscarwilde on February 8, 2014 at 9:45 PM

Fenris on February 8, 2014 at 9:43 PM

Same for me. I thought it was Christmas Thursday when openreg popped up. Funny how I feel like I know all these people, and they are probably thinking “who is this dude?”

captnjoe on February 8, 2014 at 9:45 PM

And a special physical exam…

lovingmyUSA on February 8, 2014 at 9:40 PM

My prostate is fine, thank you.

307wolverine on February 8, 2014 at 9:45 PM

Color correcting the green chick (Yvonne Craig as the Orion slave girl) is legendary.

I like the ones that involved the ships. Those were some real craftsmen.

cozmo on February 8, 2014 at 9:40 PM

Now I’m really going to have to find that stuff online.

*******

Kirk is currently giving us an anthropology lesson on the development of civilization on planets.

INC on February 8, 2014 at 9:45 PM

Please remember that this isn’t a chat room. It’s annoying having to scroll through self-indulgent chatty clutter from people who abuse these commenting sections.

bluegill on September 25, 2012 at 7:19 PM

Lanceman on February 8, 2014 at 9:43 PM

Want some steak?

KCB on February 8, 2014 at 9:45 PM

did somebody say… “BEERS”…. I like Beers…. ;)

oscarwilde on February 8, 2014 at 9:39 PM

Somehow I knew that. *clink!*

KCB on February 8, 2014 at 9:42 PM

Well, yea, but who doesn’t… ;)

oscarwilde on February 8, 2014 at 9:46 PM

libfreesMom on February 8, 2014 at 9:41 PM

So you’re the one to blame! You need to show a little tough love.

Fenris on February 8, 2014 at 9:46 PM

Link didn’t work, I think it was dyslexic

captnjoe on February 8, 2014 at 9:44 PM

I wish I wish I hadn’t killed that fish…

Lanceman on February 8, 2014 at 9:46 PM

did somebody say… “BEERS”…. I like Beers…. ;)

oscarwilde on February 8, 2014 at 9:39 PM

Especially if they’re free.

PROST!

Steve Eggleston on February 8, 2014 at 9:46 PM

You did notice that was last year.

RickB on February 8, 2014 at 9:34 PM

That thread is still going strong … and just hit 100 pages!

ShainS on February 8, 2014 at 9:46 PM

is it possible to text on an iphone while wearing sporti antifogs?

renalin on February 8, 2014 at 9:40 PM

Good Gawd! I sincerely hope NOT!

Scrumpy on February 8, 2014 at 9:47 PM

Color correcting the green chick (Yvonne Craig as the Orion slave girl) is legendary.

cozmo on February 8, 2014 at 9:40 PM

Oh’-ree-ahn!!!” — Barky

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on February 8, 2014 at 9:48 PM

Want some steak?

KCB on February 8, 2014 at 9:45 PM

I gotta craving for fish sticks…

Lanceman on February 8, 2014 at 9:48 PM

Can’t put my finger on it, but it feels better in here. Like we were missing something and now we…aren’t.

KCB on February 8, 2014 at 9:39 PM

Yeah, reading comments is so much faster now that I skip the fishbait…

lovingmyUSA on February 8, 2014 at 9:48 PM

INC on February 8, 2014 at 9:43 PM

It’s shameful, but the fact is that history will eventually expose every bit of it and the shining legacy the LEFT hoped for will be written as the one they truly earned, instead.

The LEFT has done more to end their LEFTIST Idyll than any of us would have dreamed of doing.

It’s just a matter of time.

thatsafactjack on February 8, 2014 at 9:48 PM

Cool video Scrumpy. He’d have been pissed if the kids bumped into that muscle car.

hawkdriver on February 8, 2014 at 9:49 PM

Sparky, did you see my Bish? Don’t you wish you could Bish.

KCB on February 8, 2014 at 9:49 PM

oscar, this is the place for good comments and good laughs. Most of these folks here are great!

captnjoe on February 8, 2014 at 9:49 PM

AnninKA on February 8, 2014 at 9:39 PM

That’s some funny shiite, right there …

[You forgot the /sarc tag]

ShainS on February 8, 2014 at 9:49 PM

Hi Axe. Take off your bucket and stay a while. Clink

SparkPlug on February 8, 2014 at 9:49 PM

Color correcting the green chick (Yvonne Craig as the Orion slave girl) is legendary.

cozmo on February 8, 2014 at 9:40 PM

Another hot broad. Notice the broads actually had a shape back then? She had legs and a can that didn’t quit.

Lanceman on February 8, 2014 at 9:49 PM

Want some steak?

KCB on February 8, 2014 at 9:45 PM

I gotta craving for fish sticks…

Lanceman on February 8, 2014 at 9:48 PM

I’ve heard, that certain species of bluegill can destroy your intestinal fortitude. <—– Insert shocked face here…

oscarwilde on February 8, 2014 at 9:50 PM

I gotta craving for fish sticks…

Lanceman on February 8, 2014 at 9:48 PM

Too late, I chased it off with my skillet!

captnjoe on February 8, 2014 at 9:50 PM

INC on February 8, 2014 at 9:45 PM

I thought everybody knew that story.

Okay, wrong slave girl chick. I think Yvonne Craig was all orion slave chiks,

cozmo on February 8, 2014 at 9:50 PM

Libfree had another meltdown at dinner tonight. He bit into a baked potato that was a little to hot and began cursing it, calling it racist and screaming about the Koch brothers burning bid tongue.

Had to break our rule on no tv at the table. But nothing soothes his tantrums like MSNBC.

libfreesMom on February 8, 2014 at 9:41 PM

O.K, this poster is a great new addition to HotAir!!

ToddPA on February 8, 2014 at 9:50 PM

Did anyone see Eric in Hollywood around today?

I kinda liked what he had said on reg day…

Scrumpy on February 8, 2014 at 9:50 PM

Jesus, hot many mugatus are there???

Lanceman on February 8, 2014 at 9:51 PM

Lanceman

more like fish sandwich on toast!

captnjoe on February 8, 2014 at 9:51 PM

oscar, this is the place for good comments and good laughs. Most of these folks here are great!

captnjoe on February 8, 2014 at 9:49 PM

So I have heard…

oscarwilde on February 8, 2014 at 9:51 PM

Lanceman on February 8, 2014 at 9:49 PM

Purple Lycra, never leave out the purple Lycra.

cozmo on February 8, 2014 at 9:51 PM

libfreesMom on February 8, 2014 at 9:41 PM

Heh.

Do you ever let him out of his cage?

ShainS on February 8, 2014 at 9:51 PM

oscarwilde on February 8, 2014 at 9:45 PM

Good evening, Mr. Wilde. :)

thatsafactjack on February 8, 2014 at 9:52 PM

oscar, this is the place for good comments and good laughs. Most of these folks here are great!

captnjoe on February 8, 2014 at 9:49 PM

And the ones that aren’t are amusing. Usually.

Fenris on February 8, 2014 at 9:52 PM

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