NBC: Communism is “one of history’s pivotal experiments”

posted at 10:01 am on February 8, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

It didn’t take long for NBC to offer up all of its credibility in payment to Vladimir Putin in exchange for the television rights to the Sochi Olympics, did it? In its intro to the opening ceremonies — in which Putin’s Russia trotted out a gigantic hammer and sicle to celebrate its nation — NBC called perhaps the bloodiest and most oppressive tyrannies in human history “one of modern history’s pivotal experiments” (via Twitchy):

A pivotal experiment? Perhaps … in mass murder, subjugation, and paranoia. This “experiment” lasted more than 70 years and it was so “unsuccessful” that its satellites tried repeatedly to depart from it, resulting in brutal crackdowns from Moscow. The West didn’t lift a finger when Russians sent tanks into Hungary in 1956 to put down an end to that part of the “experiment,” nor did they do much in 1968 when the Czechs wanted to call the experiment a failure. Communism was an evil, tyrannical system of both government and economics, not an “experiment” in a lab somewhere. In this case, all the rats ran the experiment.

If there was a gold medal in selling out, NBC won it yesterday.

Update: In case you missed this, be sure to read Fr. Marcel Guarnizo’s essay in the Green Room on the incompatibility of socialism and communism with Christianity. His opening goes directly to the point:

There has been much discussion in recent weeks over the debt of Christianity to—and its compatibility with —the ideas and praxis of the socialist revolution, and even of communism. Many, even in the Catholic Church, believe that we share some of the ideals of the socialist revolution because it seems to them that communism, socialism and Christianity are for the poor. In addition to this most unfortunate error, the opposite fallacy has also been made popular in the minds of many, namely that capitalists and advocates of a free market economy, hate the poor.

But the historical record of communism tells an entirely different story.  I have worked with the countries of the former Soviet Union for over 20 years, and I have seen what communism does to populations and nations. The scourge of the socialist revolution around the world gave us 6 million people killed by artificial famines in Ukraine and, as documented by The Black Book of Communism, 20 million victims in the U.S.S.R., 65 million in China, a million in Vietnam, 2 million in North Korea, another 2 million in Cambodia, a million more in the rest of Eastern Europe, 150,000 in Latin America, 1.7 million in Africa, 1.5 million in Afghanistan and through the international Communist movement and related parties about 100,000 more victims in various nations.  This is a body count that reaches to 100 million victims worldwide. Communism completely destroyed the economy, social fabric, and political culture of dozens of nations. It hollowed out the intelligentsia, ruined every economy where the seed of socialism fully “bloomed,” and abrogated fundamental rights and individual freedoms of the nations it subjugated.  Clearly the Judeo-Christian commandment, “Thou shalt not kill,” is not among the doctrinal teachings of communism and the socialist revolution. It is hard to believe that the socialist revolution—unlike Nazism—still finds promoters and defenders in the West.

The compatibility of Christianity and its legitimate concern for the poor owes nothing to the violent and inhuman regimes created by the socialist revolution. No system in human history has produced more poverty and misery than communism.

But it’s just a “pivotal experiment.” Riiiiiight. Also, NBC won the silver medal in selling out:

Russia’s anti-gay laws have been a major focus in the lead-up to the Olympic Winter Games in Sochi, and during his address at today’s opening ceremony IOC president Thomas Bach made a strong statement against “any form of discrimination” and in favor of tolerance. Viewers worldwide heard the statement; NBC viewers in the U.S. did not, because the network edited it out.

Update: Even though it’s been in the headlines for an hour or more, I just caught Ed Driscoll’s post on this. Be sure to read it.


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One that history is doomed to repeat, it seems.

ezspirit on February 8, 2014 at 10:05 AM

NBC: Communism is “one of history’s pivotal experiments”

It’s where Barry learned to pivot and focus like a death ray, Ray Gun er, laser?

Flange on February 8, 2014 at 10:09 AM

And probably the most horrible example of using unwilling human beings as experimental test subjects in history.

Even the Nazis didn’t get a body count this high in the millions.

Wethal on February 8, 2014 at 10:10 AM

I’m sure all the people who fled their Soviet occupied countries, leaving behind their families and ways of life, to come here to find freedom will be glad to here it was just a “pivotal experiment”.

Unbelievable. And very sad.

battalion on February 8, 2014 at 10:11 AM

Access Trumps Truth

Ben Hur on February 8, 2014 at 10:11 AM

Experiment? We know what they do to rats. We are talking about people.

CWchangedhisNicagain on February 8, 2014 at 10:11 AM

Yeah, watched that as it aired last night…gave me a serious “wtf” moment when I heard that gem. Something tells me that the 30 million victims of Stalin’s purges and gulags would describe Soviet Communism a little differently.

JetBoy on February 8, 2014 at 10:12 AM

Two things:
1. All opening ceremonies white wash state violence. Remember how the London opening ceremony had that long section on slavery, colonialism racism ? Exactly. 2. NBC was harsher on Russian in their commentary on any opening ceremonies’ whitewash of the past.

libfreeordie on February 8, 2014 at 10:14 AM

Who wrote this sh.., uh, crap?

mchristian on February 8, 2014 at 10:15 AM

The Left sees this “experiment” as inconclusive, hence their need to keep trying it over and over. Even here and now.

lowandslow on February 8, 2014 at 10:15 AM

Relevant?

http://i.imgur.com/7vb8hzm.jpg

JetBoy on February 8, 2014 at 10:16 AM

That failed.

thebrokenrattle on February 8, 2014 at 10:18 AM

Slavery? Colonial racism?

We’ll put libfreeordie in charge of the opening the next time we have the games here. He can devote the entire thing to our history of slavery, Indian genocide, income inequality and the scourge of Duck Dynasty.

lowandslow on February 8, 2014 at 10:20 AM

There you go again, elites, conducting experiments on us.

Nazi Germany conducted experiments on the Jewish people. That was pivotal.

I’m pretty sure the Roman Empire conducted myriad experiments, many of them pivotal, on its people.

And, now, we have Obamacare: a pivotal experiment in socialism grafted onto the free market. That should go well.

Here’s a question: Are you guys learning anything, from these experiments, about your hypotheses?

Or are you just conducting them over and over again, hoping for different results, because you love your hypotheses so much?

Why must we suffer your experiments, just to satisfy your insufferable appetite to sate your intellectual vanity.

In psychological parlance, that’s the definition of insanity.

brentspolemics on February 8, 2014 at 10:22 AM

libfreeordie on February 8, 2014 at 10:14 AM

This is quite true. The Russian history expert Dave Remnick basically dumped on the Russians the whole evening, with the exception of St. Petersburg being a western looking city.

Ted Torgerson on February 8, 2014 at 10:22 AM

I kinda groaned at how, a couple minutes into their prologue, they were already riding Russia’s jocksky.

What was worse, though, was Russia’s pomp and circumstance in the way they tried to portray Russia during the last century. I mean, China didn’t even do straight-up propaganda, they just did a Chinese-themed cultural display as their opening. They know their history is torrid, but more importantly, they know that we know.

Russia is less fortunate in this regard; Putin is trying to show off what life in superior Soviet Russia was really like no we totally swear, exactly like how they used to do back when the USSR was still around, but to paraphrase Marx: this time around, it’s farce.

mintycrys on February 8, 2014 at 10:24 AM

libfreeordie on February 8, 2014 at 10:14 AM

How morally equivalent of you.

This is a prime example of a lefturd ‘s thinking, or lack thereof

NOMOBO on February 8, 2014 at 10:24 AM

Slavery? Colonial racism?

We’ll put libfreeordie in charge of the opening the next time we have the games here. He can devote the entire thing to our history of slavery, Indian genocide, income inequality and the scourge of Duck Dynasty.

lowandslow on February 8, 2014 at 10:20 AM

Don’t forget the War on Wimmin.

A line of dancers wearing Wendy Davis pink sneakers. (And all carrying concealed weapons.)

Wethal on February 8, 2014 at 10:26 AM

Slavery too.

2Tru2Tru on February 8, 2014 at 10:26 AM

Communism has more blood on its hands than islam. And that is saying something.

ConstantineXI on February 8, 2014 at 10:28 AM

Two things:
1. All opening ceremonies white wash state violence. Remember how the London opening ceremony had that long section on slavery, colonialism racism ? Exactly.

Pretty much what I was thinking while I watched it. The London opening ceremonies celebrated their industrialization, but not the fact that the British Empire once controlled about 25% of the world.

If you want to be cynical about it, I guess you could argue that it is too depressing (for them) of a topic to bring up.

2. NBC was harsher on Russian in their commentary on any opening ceremonies’ whitewash of the past.

libfreeordie on February 8, 2014 at 10:14 AM

I remember all of us laughing during the number where the Russian teenagers in the 1950s and 60s are listening to their smuggled rock and roll records and dancing when the commentator said, “Obviously, this is a very idealized depiction of this moment in history.” You don’t say!

I didn’t really have a problem with how they commemorated their Soviet era. They celebrated their industrialization and, by extension I guess, the work ethic of the Soviet people. They also celebrated their space program, which undeniably stands as their greatest achievement. BTW, how cool was it to see Valentina Tereshkova carrying the flag?

When they let the red balloon go near the end of that part of the program, I figured it was symbolic of them letting go of that past.

JimLennon on February 8, 2014 at 10:29 AM

A pivotal experiment.

Kind of like 9/11/2001 was a pivotal experiment in physics (gravity and all that).

iurockhead on February 8, 2014 at 10:30 AM

Another entry in the longstanding “they think you’re stupid” series.

MT on February 8, 2014 at 10:30 AM

This piece by NBC leaves no room to question what NBC is about, editorially. No amount of second-guessing this statement by NBC, no amount of possible, later, quasi-apology or effort to revamp, nothing can change or alter the impact of what NBC has uttered.

Remember this propaganda piece by NBC every time they, their employees, promote any politician and report anything. ANYthing.

Lourdes on February 8, 2014 at 10:31 AM

1. Thou shalt have no other gods before me

6. Thou shalt not kill

8. Thou shalt not steal

10Commandments on February 8, 2014 at 10:31 AM

Compare “land of the free and the home of the brave” with this paean to Lenin and Commie glory (for The Party, I might add):
English translation (of the 1977 version)

Unbreakable Union of freeborn Republics,
Great Russia has welded forever to stand.
Created in struggle by will of the people,
United and mighty, our Soviet land!

Sing to the Motherland, home of the free,
Bulwark of peoples in brotherhood strong.
O Party of Lenin, the strength of the people,
To Communism’s triumph lead us on!

Through tempests the sunrays of freedom have cheered us,
Along the new path where great Lenin did lead.
To a righteous cause he raised up the peoples,
Inspired them to labour and valourous deed.

Sing to the Motherland, home of the free,
Bulwark of peoples in brotherhood strong.
O Party of Lenin, the strength of the people,
To Communism’s triumph lead us on!

In the victory of Communism’s immortal ideal,
We see the future of our dear land.
And to her fluttering scarlet banner,
Selflessly true we always shall stand!

Sing to the Motherland, home of the free,
Bulwark of peoples in brotherhood strong.
O Party of Lenin, the strength of the people,
To Communism’s triumph lead us on!

Right up there with Muslim call to prayer being one of the most beautiful sounds a particular president has ever heard…

ExpressoBold on February 8, 2014 at 10:37 AM

I was stationed in Germany in 1972 and we ran patrols on the Chech border.Every now and then we would see Russian troops and they would beg us for the old C-rats.It was always cool to sling a can of fat caked spiced beef over the fence.

docflash on February 8, 2014 at 10:38 AM

I thought NBC coverage of London was worse, where NBC seemed to orgasm over everything British.

It was no surprise considering how the left(and likewise NBC) considers everything European to be superior to the United States.

The way our media fawns and obsesses over the “royal family” makes me think they secretly wish we had a king and queen of our own.

tcufrog on February 8, 2014 at 10:39 AM

Notice the arrogance of the communist leaders .
Yes , it’s an experiment that always fails .The
problem is the next dictator thinks he
can do it better than the last guy .
Arrogance ? Amerika ? Nuff said .
( still liked the opening ceremonies )

Lucano on February 8, 2014 at 10:39 AM

N B C : Nothing But Communists !

KOOLAID2 on February 8, 2014 at 10:40 AM

I look at it differently than most of y’all. Of course Communism is evil and all that, but what is there to gain by relitigating the past at a moment like that? People are watching to be entertained, not enter into a political discussion. There is a time and place for bashing liberalism’s end game (like here), but not on live TV for the Opening Ceremonies.

307wolverine on February 8, 2014 at 10:41 AM

I think London should have celebrated their Imperial history. Slavery? Yes, at one point–and then they outlawed, and liberated slaves throughout their empire and sundry other lands, hunting down slavers. They weren’t perfect–neither was my country, the United States, but both nations stood for something good, something that was diametrically opposed to the French or Russian revolutionaries. I’ll take our nation with our sins over against their dystopias any day.

RockinRickOwen on February 8, 2014 at 10:43 AM

For those who like a little muscle with their poetic license
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BTW, door Matt Lauer had his Vladimir Lenin look to oily perfection last night… one Olympic broadcast series I probably won’t be watching.

ExpressoBold on February 8, 2014 at 10:45 AM

1. All opening ceremonies white wash state violence. Remember how the London opening ceremony had that long section on slavery, colonialism racism ? Exactly.

You cannot white wash communist oppression. The crimes are just too horrific.

Punchenko on February 8, 2014 at 10:46 AM

I am sure the people in Urkraine noted the positive spin on the Hammer & Sickle and are aware that Putin sees the period of Soviet domination of their neighbors as a Golden Age for Russia. They will draw a more appropriate conclusion than the NBC commentators. But then, the journalists private negative tweets may give a better picture of their views than their on air statements.

KW64 on February 8, 2014 at 10:47 AM

Communism has more blood on its hands than islam.

ConstantineXI on February 8, 2014 at 10:28 AM

So far. Barry has been working night and day to give Iran the capability to eclipse the commies in that regard.

86 on February 8, 2014 at 10:49 AM

Stupid libby. Posting and running again.

22044 on February 8, 2014 at 10:49 AM

An experiment that mandates both the murder of 10% of the population (and that’s just for starters) and genocide.

Blake on February 8, 2014 at 10:49 AM

WTF?

The Soviet Union was a brutal dictatorship from it’s earliest days until it died. We allied with the Soviet Union during World War II out of strategic necessity, but we never liked or trusted them, and for good reason. Almost immediately after WWII ended the Cold War began, in which we spent decades, billions of dollars and tens of thousands of American lives trying to halt and contain communist expansion around the world.

When I was a lot younger I trained to be a cold warrior. I spent two years in “West” Germany, helping to face down the communists of Eastern Europe. We took that stuff seriously. If a war started, we would have been the first to fight and die.

Communism was no f**king experiment. It is one of the darkest chapters in human history, right next to Nazism. Tens of millions of people in Eastern Europe died under the iron boot-heel of the commissars.

I am not hatin’ on Russia – the Russian people suffered as much under communism as anyone else.

Somebody should ask Bob Costas what Putin’s ass tastes like.

myiq2xu on February 8, 2014 at 10:50 AM

Many, even in the Catholic Church, believe that we share some of the ideals of the socialist revolution because it seems to them that communism, socialism and Christianity are for the poor.

The fundamental issue (and the Catholic Church’s fundamental error) is: who is doing the helping and why are they doing it? The Catholic Church does great work for the poor, motivated by God’s love and His desire to see us grow in holiness. But it has become enamored of the power of government to force it upon us, and is in danger of forgetting why we do it.

6 The point is this: whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows bountifully[a] will also reap bountifully. 7 Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver

Fenris on February 8, 2014 at 10:51 AM

That Father Guarnizo knows how to put it into words, does he not?

Cleombrotus on February 8, 2014 at 10:51 AM

Do you think all those people who were killed by the Communist experiment are appreciative of being considered a pivot point? How anyone with an ounce of sense can praise communism is simply mind-boggling.

evie1949 on February 8, 2014 at 10:54 AM

“People are watching to be entertained, not enter into a political discussion.”

Then limit your commentary to the geographical beauty of the country, or the resiliency of the populous or some other tripe. NBC was one that brought the politics into it by insinuating that there was something positive to be said for their “experiment” in communism.

lowandslow on February 8, 2014 at 10:56 AM

Two things: 1. All opening ceremonies white wash state violence. Remember how the London opening ceremony had that long section on slavery, colonialism racism ? Exactly. 2. NBC was harsher on Russian in their commentary on any opening ceremonies’ whitewash of the past.

libfreeordie on February 8, 2014 at 10:14 AM

I see what you did there! Clever! (But typical) .

questionmark on February 8, 2014 at 10:59 AM

20 million commie citizens killed by Stalin and others were unavailable for comment…

albill on February 8, 2014 at 11:02 AM

Then limit your commentary to the geographical beauty of the country, or the resiliency of the populous or some other tripe. NBC was one that brought the politics into it by insinuating that there was something positive to be said for their “experiment” in communism

We all know that NBC is slightly to the Left of Karl Marx. I believe that in their own way they were trying to be neutral. They have to fill time somehow. What good would it do for them to employ broadcasters who simply sit there and watch the parade go by?

At the end of the day NBC is trying to make a profit by maximizing the number of eyeballs watching the show: liberals, conservatives, and everybody in between. I took it as a throw away comment to fill air time.

307wolverine on February 8, 2014 at 11:04 AM

There’s a reason NBC is at the bottom in terms of public trust:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2014/01/30/poll-msnbc-nbc-sink-to-bottom-of-public-trust

bw222 on February 8, 2014 at 11:07 AM

The Darwinian Foundation of Communism

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/tj/v15/n1/communism

davidk on February 8, 2014 at 11:07 AM

From a broader perspective, Communism clearly has been a ‘historical experiment’.

Of course, exactly the same thing could be said of WWI, the Muslim rule of India in the days of the Moguls, Alexander the Great’s ability to kick the Persians around was a remarkable experiment too.

The fact that the statement is accurate, in a mushy sense, doesn’t mean it was any less craven.

But then we expect that from NBC.

JEM on February 8, 2014 at 11:07 AM

…I took it as a throw away comment to fill air time.

307wolverine on February 8, 2014 at 11:04 AM

It sure sounded to me like an effort to stuff the Free World with communist garbage. By NBC exploiting the audience and moment to do so. Tune in, get stuffed, in other words. NBC’s OpEd was disgusting.

Lourdes on February 8, 2014 at 11:08 AM

Reminds me of a certain Peter Arnett, for some reason.

OldEnglish on February 8, 2014 at 11:09 AM

Wait…hold up…we’re all wrong about communism. Salon says so.

Karl Marx is just a misunderstood Teddy Bear. And Uncle Joe. Oh the stories he would tell.

/sarc

NY2SC on February 8, 2014 at 11:09 AM

We allied with the Soviet Union during World War II out of strategic necessity, but we never liked or trusted them, and for good reason.

myiq2xu on February 8, 2014 at 10:50 AM

I am not sure that is true. There were numerous communists and communist sympathizers in the Roosevelt Administration.

bw222 on February 8, 2014 at 11:11 AM

I have a FB friend who immigrated here w/ her parents when she was very young. She’s an uber-patriot(a few years younger than me)who was born in the Ukraine.
On her wall she has definately had words about that ‘pivotol experiment’. *glares*

annoyinglittletwerp on February 8, 2014 at 11:12 AM

Wait…hold up…we’re all wrong about communism. Salon says so.

Karl Marx is just a misunderstood Teddy Bear. And Uncle Joe. Oh the stories he would tell.

/sarc

NY2SC on February 8, 2014 at 11:09 AM

Yes, and CBS used to push that sneaky crud, too, with Walter Cronkite championed as the cuddly, ‘trustworthy’ granddaddy of news for many years. After he retired, so to speak, it was revealed he was quite the Communist believer. All that “granddaddy sorrow” while reporting about Viet Nam, all the while Cronkite was rooting for the enemy.

Lourdes on February 8, 2014 at 11:12 AM

Communism is a delusional philosophical fallacy wrapped up in a tyrannical scam(s) of fatally hypocritical Cronyism that killed more people then the Black Plague which wiped out 25-50% of the European Population.

May Marx & Engles Rot in Eternal Torment…

workingclass artist on February 8, 2014 at 11:13 AM

I had relatives that died in the Ukraine during the Great Famine. I can’t even name them…thanks to said ‘pivotal experiment’

annoyinglittletwerp on February 8, 2014 at 11:14 AM

There is a time and place for bashing liberalism’s end game (like here), but not on live TV for the Opening Ceremonies.

307wolverine on February 8, 2014 at 10:41 AM

That’s how they win. They mix in bits of their ideology throughout the culture, in forums that are seen as non-political. So when those points are challenged, they’re in position to shout down the dissenter – “This isn’t the time or place for your tea-bagger arguments! Shut up!”

When that bit passed last night, I didn’t launch into a 20-minute lecture in front of my friends, I just simply noted that when 20 million are killed, it isn’t an “experiment.” No biggie; when the ball comes over the net, swing your racket and knock it back, and don’t act like you have to win the whole game right then and there.

86 on February 8, 2014 at 11:14 AM

I love the Olympics but detest the NBC prime time Costas led coverage. Yes hate is not too strong a word.

With that said I don’t get the hue and cry over the “pivotal experiment” line. Yes it is understated but I think out of deference to the games and the host. It’s not the time or place to detail the atrocities of communism.

Maybe it’s just me but in this context pivotal experiment does not seem to imply that it was a great thing, only that it was a major historical aspect of the 20th century. Okay the experiment was a complete failure but we all know that.

exceller on February 8, 2014 at 11:14 AM

” Teddy Bear, grandpappy, cuddly” Walter Cronkite finally admits that he’s “proud to sit at the right hand of satan” just before he passed awaaay.

Lourdes on February 8, 2014 at 11:15 AM

In the minds of Hitler, Stalin and Mao, treating people as animals was not wrong because they believed that Darwin had ‘proved’ humans were not God’s creation, but instead descended from some simple, one-cell organism. All three men believed it was morally proper to eliminate the less fit or ‘herd them like cattle into boxcars bound for concentration camps and gulags’ if it achieved the goal of their Darwinist philosophy.

Darwin’s ideas played a critically important role in the development and growth of communism. While it is difficult to conclude that communism would not have flourished as it did if Darwin had not developed his evolution theory, it is clear that if Marx, Lenin, Engels, Stalin and Mao had continued to embrace the Judeo-Christian worldview and had not become Darwinists, communist theory and the revolutions it inspired never would have spread to the many countries that they did. It follows, then, that the holocaust produced by communism (which has resulted in the death over 100 million people) likely never would have occurred. In Nobel Prize winner Alexander Solzhenitsyn’s words,

‘ … if I were asked today to formulate as concisely as possible the main cause of the ruinous revolution that swallowed up some 60 million of our [Russian] people, I could not put it more accurately than to repeat: “men have forgotten God; that’s why all this has happened”.’

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/tj/v15/n1/communism

davidk on February 8, 2014 at 11:16 AM

Lourdes on February 8, 2014 at 11:15 AM

I never understood all the love for WK.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 8, 2014 at 11:16 AM

libfreeordie on February 8, 2014 at 10:14 AM

Your addle-pated brain must surely recognize the difference between not mentioning something and discussing it in morally neutral terms.

Here, let’s give you an example.

1) I give a brief synopsis of American history but I don’t mention slavery.

2) I give a brief synopsis of American history and only call slavery one of history’s pivotal experiments.

The first would get you annoyed and probably angry, but the second would get you positively foaming with fury and you would launch a boycott right on the spot and call for heads to roll.

If you don’t see a difference it’s because you think of the history of Soviet Communism in morally neutral terms yourself.

PackerBronco on February 8, 2014 at 11:17 AM

Wish JPeterman was still around. He might have a word or two on the “experiment”.

wolly4321 on February 8, 2014 at 11:17 AM

exceller on February 8, 2014 at 11:14 AM

Calling it an “experiment” minimizes the unmitigated evil that it was. And is. Either call it what it is or say nothing at all.

NY2SC on February 8, 2014 at 11:18 AM

…Maybe it’s just me but in this context pivotal experiment does not seem to imply that it was a great thing, only that it was a major historical aspect of the 20th century. Okay the experiment was a complete failure but we all know that.

exceller on February 8, 2014 at 11:14 AM

I considered that perspective, too, but the production quality was just too “uber” for that NBC piece to be mere historical commentary. It was a push piece by NBC, nothing less. Note that the piece never even intimated that the “experiment” was deadly to millions of human beings.

Lourdes on February 8, 2014 at 11:18 AM

“Dictatorship is rule based directly upon force and unrestricted by any laws.
“The revolutionary dictatorship of the proletariat is rule won and maintained by the use of violence by the proletariat against the bourgeoisie, rule that is unrestricted by any laws. . . .
“One cannot hide the fact that dictatorship presupposes and implies . . . revolutionary violence of one class against another.”
– Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, The Proletarian Revolution and the Renegade Kautsky (1918)

workingclass artist on February 8, 2014 at 11:19 AM

davidk on February 8, 2014 at 11:16 AM

I love ya-but if it’s coming out of Kan Hamm’s yap…it’s probably not true.
I’m an Intelligent Designer because New Earth creationism is illogical. *

annoyinglittletwerp on February 8, 2014 at 11:19 AM

NY2SC on February 8, 2014 at 11:18 AM

Actually, just call it what it is. Truth.

NY2SC on February 8, 2014 at 11:20 AM

If they are this cowardly to state such ugly facts when little to no consequences exist for stating the obvious indisputable history….imagine a world or near future where such atrocities might occur here, in our own backyard…something tells me NBC would care little about the slaughter and might even be for it…ends justify the means.

This country is becoming unrecognizable in a bad way, or at least many of its long standing institutions are.

Alinsky on February 8, 2014 at 11:20 AM

Many, even in the Catholic Church, believe that we share some of the ideals of the socialist revolution because it seems to them that communism, socialism and Christianity are for the poor.

The fundamental issue (and the Catholic Church’s fundamental error) is: who is doing the helping and why are they doing it? The Catholic Church does great work for the poor, motivated by God’s love and His desire to see us grow in holiness. But it has become enamored of the power of government to force it upon us, and is in danger of forgetting why we do it.

Fenris on February 8, 2014 at 10:51 AM

I’m not following you there…

JetBoy on February 8, 2014 at 11:20 AM

It would be pivotal if DC were burned to the ground.

VegasRick on February 8, 2014 at 11:21 AM

Maybe it’s just me but in this context pivotal experiment does not seem to imply that it was a great thing, only that it was a major historical aspect of the 20th century. Okay the experiment was a complete failure but we all know that.

exceller on February 8, 2014 at 11:14 AM

Was slavery one of history’s pivot experiments?
How about the holocaust?
Would you describe the Khmer Rouge’s Killing Fields as one of history’s pivot experiments?
Was Dr. Mengele one of history’s pivotal experimenters?

PackerBronco on February 8, 2014 at 11:21 AM

I thought the openening ceremony was wonderful. One of the best there has ever been.

NBC wouldn’t quit talking though. Constant stream of annoying commentary.

DisneyFan on February 8, 2014 at 11:21 AM

First.

I’m also hungover. So no yelling.

Bishop on February 8, 2014 at 11:21 AM

One that history is doomed to repeat, it seems.

ezspirit on February 8, 2014 at 10:05 AM

As long as individuals indulge in the vices of envy & sloth

workingclass artist on February 8, 2014 at 11:22 AM

I’m trying to imagine what the coverage would be like for the NBC critics to be satisfied. I’m sure advertisers would be all over it./s) I’ve always enjoyed watching the athletic events and it’s hard enough to endure the sappy pomp that inevitably comes with the games regardless of where they’re being held.
Politics aside, the Russian people are fellow humans on the planet and the vast majority are just trying to enjoy their lives just as I am. Pissing on their parade instead of giving it a rest for a couple of weeks and enjoying the Olympics comes across as petty and vindictive like so much of the discourse today.

mike_NC9 on February 8, 2014 at 11:22 AM

Lourdes on February 8, 2014 at 11:15 AM

I never understood all the love for WK.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 8, 2014 at 11:16 AM

My parents usually grew immediately perturbed with WCronkite on CBS and changed the channel to Huntley/Brinkley — interestingly, both Leftwing editorially but during those times, those were the options to hear ‘evening news’ (there weren’t an array of channels, sources or much more than ABC, NBC and CBS on tv for years).

Cronkite got his hooks into society by his pretense as The Aged Sage with his “advising” tone of reading his paperwork. He managed to inject a suspicious tone into just about all news/information about the US military, especially, delivered to the world with his eyeglasses on, then off which he’d do to emphasize his “truthiness”.

Lourdes on February 8, 2014 at 11:23 AM

annoyinglittletwerp on February 8, 2014 at 11:16 AM

Lourdes on February 8, 2014 at 11:23 AM

Also and primarily, though, Walter Cronkite daily influenced the perspective by the US public as to the VIet Nam war. He along with his network, CBS, and peers did a great deal to undermine US confidence.

Lourdes on February 8, 2014 at 11:24 AM

…Pissing on their parade instead of giving it a rest for a couple of weeks and enjoying the Olympics comes across as petty and vindictive like so much of the discourse today.

mike_NC9 on February 8, 2014 at 11:22 AM

I don’t read/hear anyone doing that (“pissing on” Russian people)…

I read/hear a lot of people disgusted with NBC and other Communist appeasers. I don’t include the Russian people in that, since they seem to be a whole lot better off since doing away with Communism, to whatever extent they have.

Lourdes on February 8, 2014 at 11:26 AM

Politics aside, the Russian people are fellow humans on the planet and the vast majority are just trying to enjoy their lives just as I am. Pissing on their parade instead of giving it a rest for a couple of weeks and enjoying the Olympics comes across as petty and vindictive like so much of the discourse today.

mike_NC9 on February 8, 2014 at 11:22 AM

NBC could have avoided it altogether. NBC could have been truthful and respectful (“communism visited horrors in Eastern Europe, but with the fall of the Soviet Union…”). Instead, NBC used a euphemism that likened mass murder and political imprisonment to something that happened in a lab with men in white coats.

The “Russian people” line reminds me of the facile appeals in the 80s to how “they’re just like us” since they like jeans and rock-n-roll. So what? No one is even suggesting we insult the populace.

NY2SC on February 8, 2014 at 11:31 AM

mike_NC9 on February 8, 2014 at 11:22 AM

NBC brought it up, had they just kept their trap shut n focused on the games no one would have given it a second thought, your anger is focused on the wrong group.

Alinsky on February 8, 2014 at 11:31 AM

Calling it an “experiment” minimizes the unmitigated evil that it was. And is…

NY2SC on February 8, 2014 at 11:18 AM

Exactly. The world should never, ever consider the intentional ruin of thirty — some say upwards to fifty — million human lives by a government something “experimental” or even go so far as to refuse to even mention it, as the NBC thing didn’t do.

Lourdes on February 8, 2014 at 11:31 AM

Here’s the pivotal experiment: The American left has set about mainstreaming communism, shifting the Overton Window.

petefrt on February 8, 2014 at 11:32 AM

NBC should move all their leftist trash to Russia and let the US be rid of them.

rplat on February 8, 2014 at 11:32 AM

mike_NC9 on February 8, 2014 at 11:22 AM

We’re not pissing on Russian commies.

We’re pissing on American commies.

See the difference? Appsrently not.

wolly4321 on February 8, 2014 at 11:32 AM

davidk on February 8, 2014 at 11:16 AM

I love ya-but if it’s coming out of Kan Hamm’s yap…it’s probably not true.
I’m an Intelligent Designer because New Earth creationism is illogical. *

annoyinglittletwerp on February 8, 2014 at 11:19 AM

The author is:

Jerry Bergman has seven degrees, including in biology, psychology, and evaluation and research, from Wayne State University (Detroit), Bowling Green State University and other colleges. He has taught at Bowling Green State University (Ohio) and at the University of Toledo. He is now a professor of science at Northwest College, Archbold (Ohio), and is working on a third Ph.D., this one in molecular biology.

davidk on February 8, 2014 at 11:35 AM

I’m not following you there…

JetBoy on February 8, 2014 at 11:20 AM

I thought I was clear. Examples? Liberation theology, though not approved by the official line, is the sort of thing to be expected when you work with the government to implement socialism. It’s just one step away from, for example, ObamaCare. It’s a cliche to say “surprise, the Pope is Catholic” when somebody expects the Church to give on things like abortion. But more pertinent is maybe: “surprise, the government is secular”. When the Church advocates using tax dollars for charitable purposes, that is unbiblical, and the result shouldn’t be a surprise.

Fenris on February 8, 2014 at 11:35 AM

bwahahahahahahah

The United States is the Soviet Union of the new millennium – an ideological state with global ambitions that holds itself up as the epitome of “freedom” and yet is the single most powerful enemy of liberty worldwide.

roflmmfao

donabernathy on February 8, 2014 at 11:36 AM

Here’s the pivotal experiment: The American left has set about mainstreaming communism, shifting the Overton Window.

petefrt on February 8, 2014 at 11:32 AM

Yes! I fear that Obama has done the same with our country (with socialism at least) and that we won’t be able to roll it back.

NY2SC on February 8, 2014 at 11:36 AM

‘Suckupage’

Stalin is great!

/

plutorocks on February 8, 2014 at 11:37 AM

I’m also hungover. So no yelling.

Bishop on February 8, 2014 at 11:21 AM

http://youtu.be/uN3V32905dY?t=10s

JetBoy on February 8, 2014 at 11:37 AM

Apartheid was experimental too.

Wadda say, libfree, good choice of words yeah?

Bishop on February 8, 2014 at 11:38 AM

I don’t really view communism as a bad thing.

- Whoopi Goldberg

My take.

kingsjester on February 8, 2014 at 11:40 AM

mike_NC9 on February 8, 2014 at 11:22 AM

To oppose the policies of a government does not mean you are against the country or the people that the government supposedly represents. Such opposition should be called what it really is: democracy, or democratic dissent, or having a critical perspective about what your leaders are doing. Either we have the right to democratic dissent and criticism of these policies or we all lie down and let the leader, the Fuhrer, do what is best, while we follow uncritically, and obey whatever he commands. That’s just what the Germans did with Hitler, and look where it got them.~Michael Parenti

davidk on February 8, 2014 at 11:42 AM

‘Suckupage’

Stalin is great!

/

plutorocks on February 8, 2014 at 11:37 AM

“Embrace it.”

davidk on February 8, 2014 at 11:43 AM

Yes! I fear that Obama has done the same with our country (with socialism at least) and that we won’t be able to roll it back.

NY2SC on February 8, 2014 at 11:36 AM

If we haven’t already passed a point of no return, it will take another Reagan or Thatcher, and I don’t see one yet.

petefrt on February 8, 2014 at 11:43 AM

“A pivotal experiment? Perhaps … in mass murder, subjugation, and paranoia.”

Surely you mean a “bold experiment that failed by not trying hard enough”, right ;) ?

God only knows what we’d do without our “progressive” “betters”…

Teleros on February 8, 2014 at 11:46 AM

If we haven’t already passed a point of no return, it will take another Reagan or Thatcher, and I don’t see one yet.

petefrt on February 8, 2014 at 11:43 AM

What? Charlie Crist. Hello?

Bishop on February 8, 2014 at 11:50 AM

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