NBC: Communism is “one of history’s pivotal experiments”

posted at 10:01 am on February 8, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

It didn’t take long for NBC to offer up all of its credibility in payment to Vladimir Putin in exchange for the television rights to the Sochi Olympics, did it? In its intro to the opening ceremonies — in which Putin’s Russia trotted out a gigantic hammer and sicle to celebrate its nation — NBC called perhaps the bloodiest and most oppressive tyrannies in human history “one of modern history’s pivotal experiments” (via Twitchy):

A pivotal experiment? Perhaps … in mass murder, subjugation, and paranoia. This “experiment” lasted more than 70 years and it was so “unsuccessful” that its satellites tried repeatedly to depart from it, resulting in brutal crackdowns from Moscow. The West didn’t lift a finger when Russians sent tanks into Hungary in 1956 to put down an end to that part of the “experiment,” nor did they do much in 1968 when the Czechs wanted to call the experiment a failure. Communism was an evil, tyrannical system of both government and economics, not an “experiment” in a lab somewhere. In this case, all the rats ran the experiment.

If there was a gold medal in selling out, NBC won it yesterday.

Update: In case you missed this, be sure to read Fr. Marcel Guarnizo’s essay in the Green Room on the incompatibility of socialism and communism with Christianity. His opening goes directly to the point:

There has been much discussion in recent weeks over the debt of Christianity to—and its compatibility with —the ideas and praxis of the socialist revolution, and even of communism. Many, even in the Catholic Church, believe that we share some of the ideals of the socialist revolution because it seems to them that communism, socialism and Christianity are for the poor. In addition to this most unfortunate error, the opposite fallacy has also been made popular in the minds of many, namely that capitalists and advocates of a free market economy, hate the poor.

But the historical record of communism tells an entirely different story.  I have worked with the countries of the former Soviet Union for over 20 years, and I have seen what communism does to populations and nations. The scourge of the socialist revolution around the world gave us 6 million people killed by artificial famines in Ukraine and, as documented by The Black Book of Communism, 20 million victims in the U.S.S.R., 65 million in China, a million in Vietnam, 2 million in North Korea, another 2 million in Cambodia, a million more in the rest of Eastern Europe, 150,000 in Latin America, 1.7 million in Africa, 1.5 million in Afghanistan and through the international Communist movement and related parties about 100,000 more victims in various nations.  This is a body count that reaches to 100 million victims worldwide. Communism completely destroyed the economy, social fabric, and political culture of dozens of nations. It hollowed out the intelligentsia, ruined every economy where the seed of socialism fully “bloomed,” and abrogated fundamental rights and individual freedoms of the nations it subjugated.  Clearly the Judeo-Christian commandment, “Thou shalt not kill,” is not among the doctrinal teachings of communism and the socialist revolution. It is hard to believe that the socialist revolution—unlike Nazism—still finds promoters and defenders in the West.

The compatibility of Christianity and its legitimate concern for the poor owes nothing to the violent and inhuman regimes created by the socialist revolution. No system in human history has produced more poverty and misery than communism.

But it’s just a “pivotal experiment.” Riiiiiight. Also, NBC won the silver medal in selling out:

Russia’s anti-gay laws have been a major focus in the lead-up to the Olympic Winter Games in Sochi, and during his address at today’s opening ceremony IOC president Thomas Bach made a strong statement against “any form of discrimination” and in favor of tolerance. Viewers worldwide heard the statement; NBC viewers in the U.S. did not, because the network edited it out.

Update: Even though it’s been in the headlines for an hour or more, I just caught Ed Driscoll’s post on this. Be sure to read it.


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Hollywood: 3.0 earthquake.

davidk on February 8, 2014 at 3:20 PM

Too small Mother Earth! Try again!

NiteOwl on February 8, 2014 at 3:23 PM

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davidk on February 8, 2014 at 3:29 PM

Let’s not forget East Germany in 1953, where over 500 people were killed. Isn’t it strange that Putin gets better treatment from NBC than Bush did?

MajorDad on February 8, 2014 at 3:39 PM

Wait… that wasn’t the opening for The Ed Show?

blammm on February 8, 2014 at 3:47 PM

Let’s not forget East Germany in 1953, where over 500 people were killed. Isn’t it strange that Putin gets better treatment from NBC than Bush did?

MajorDad on February 8, 2014 at 3:39 PM

Not at all. Think about it. Bush was a racist that caused Glow-Bull warming, started WWI and WWII, made the whole international community lose respect for us as a nation… and I hear he kicked a puppy once! You can’t seriously compare the two can you????

NiteOwl on February 8, 2014 at 3:58 PM

If you think that saying good things about communism will endear someone to Putin then you don’t know Russia.
If you do that Putin will think of you as an ignorant suckup. When the soviet union collapsed the amount of cynicism Russians had about the communist system was overwhelming. They hated it, and their faces would twist in disgust about it. They hated it more than Americans ever feared it.

There still exists a communist party in Russia but it’s something like 10-20%, and in a presidential system it has no chance of ever coming to power. These people are probably oldtimers who still think of the “good-ole days” and are more nationalist than they are socialist.

AlexB on February 8, 2014 at 4:08 PM

The revolution that birthed one of modern history’s pivotal experiments

I know the fools at nbc won’t read this but my grandmother’s family had to flee their thatched roof farmhouse during the fighting in Poland. When the battles ended, they returned on their horse drawn cart to find the roof blown off, in the dead of winter. BY that time the Russians had moved in.

I think it was her sister’s husband, who went out in the horse cart to seek supplies. The horse came back with the cart to the farm, with the man shot dead inside

The house was heated by wood, no electricity. The communists declared the woods was now the people’s woods, no wood cutting allowed. Grandma’s relatives were arrested for picking windfall branches from the people’s forest. The penalty given: all the milk from their cows and all the eggs from their chickens

pivotal my eye

entagor on February 8, 2014 at 4:11 PM

This reminds me of what is being taught in public schools and many universities. Communism is portrayed as a positive, if overly idealistic, goal, while capitalism is anti-environment and oppressive.

bluegill on February 8, 2014 at 4:11 PM

This reminds me of what is being taught in public schools and many universities. Communism is portrayed as a positive, if overly idealistic, goal, while capitalism is anti-environment and oppressive.

bluegill on February 8, 2014 at 4:11 PM

It’s no surprise considering the number of educators who are out and proud Marxists.

Kataklysmic on February 8, 2014 at 4:14 PM

In fact, Russia has been around for something like 1000 years, and in that context, 70 years of communism is a short time of achievements. Lots of rich history and achievements.

I was born in Russia and I still appreciate it to some extent, and as a Jew I have a HUGE beef with it for historical reasons. But in terms of this communism thing, the overwhelming majority in Russia rejects communism completely. Putin in many of his speeches in Russian denounces and disses it and makes fun of it and treats it as a pathetic ideology.

So when an American thinks glorifying communism will make Russians happy, they’re mistaken. It’ll make the American look like he knows exactly squat about Russia.

AlexB on February 8, 2014 at 4:15 PM

odd… the whole of my text came as the link. Sorry next time I link I will preview and work out the proper method.

OregonPolitician on February 8, 2014 at 4:21 PM

If NBC has any history majors they were kept well away from the news editor’s desk. Perhaps, their coverage contract included some dictated homilies to Mother Russia?

Perhaps Snowden or the NSA can release the full text of their agreement?

Even Russia Today was probably shocked at this supine and slobbering tribute to world-wide tyranny by NBC.

virgo on February 8, 2014 at 4:34 PM

And of course the millions killed by the Nazis should also go onto the same totalitarian death list.

It is infuriating how the Left gets away with using that as an example of a right-wing regime.

Art Vandelay on February 8, 2014 at 4:36 PM

odd… the whole of my text came as the link. Sorry next time I link I will preview and work out the proper method.

OregonPolitician on February 8, 2014 at 4:21 PM

Np problem. There has been posts of nearly 100 words that were like that. zo k

davidk on February 8, 2014 at 4:36 PM

America will do it right under the watchful eye of democrats.

Just watch and learn

Murphy9 on February 8, 2014 at 4:37 PM

Even Russia Today was probably shocked at this supine and slobbering tribute to world-wide tyranny by NBC.

Other than Fox News, if you want objective news coverage you now have to use international sources.

Which is an appalling indictment of the national news media.

Art Vandelay on February 8, 2014 at 4:38 PM

Communism = Fascism = Nazism (they are all the same)

Benito Mussolini liked the way Stalin did things and copied much from Communism — but he called his particular brand ‘Fascism.’

Hitler liked the way Mussolini did things and copied much from Fascism, including their ‘Roman salute’ but Hitler called his particular brand of tyranny ‘Nazism.’ They are all the same, only the uniform changes.

Axion on February 8, 2014 at 4:39 PM

This reminds me of what is being taught in public schools and many universities. Communism is portrayed as a positive, if overly idealistic, goal, while capitalism is anti-environment and oppressive.

bluegill on February 8, 2014 at 4:11 PM

I cleaned the clock of one of our new Hot Gas Trolls on that very subject yesterday. When I asked it why its Democrat Party lost the college graduate vote in 2012, he weakly replied that it wasn’t because the Democrat Party was dumbing down its voter base, it was because O’bama was Black. And claimed that it was a one-time thing.

I later responded that the Democrats had in fact been dumbing down their voter base for the past 15+ years, as evidenced by election results going back to the 2000 election, in which the Democrat “candidate” set a new record with 61% of the high school dropout vote.

I also reminded the dim newcomer that the far-Left Zinn Educational Project has already infiltrated the public school system all the way down to the elementary school level, and how Zinn’s group is now also targeting the home schoolers.

Said troll suddenly had to go “into conference”, and never came back.

Del Dolemonte on February 8, 2014 at 5:00 PM

um, what? Putin is ex-KGB

Art Vandelay on February 8, 2014 at 12:25 PM

Back in the day, one didn’t have to believe in communism.
One just had to know how to use it to get ahead and rise in the hierarchy.

Solaratov on February 8, 2014 at 5:00 PM

Bush was a racist that caused Glow-Bull warming, started WWI and WWII, made the whole international community lose respect for us as a nation… and I hear he kicked a puppy once! You can’t seriously compare the two can you????

NiteOwl on February 8, 2014 at 3:58 PM

Bush may have kicked the puppy but Obama ate it. Now which is worse?

Franklin100 on February 8, 2014 at 5:08 PM

Communism was a pivotal disaster in European history in general and Russia in particular, that would be a much more accurate statement. Still, overall, an impressive opening ceremony, and not nearly as much nostalgia for Soviet times as I would have thought.

Dr.B on February 8, 2014 at 5:34 PM

Other than Fox News, if you want objective news coverage you now have to use international sources.

Which is an appalling indictment of the national news media.

Art Vandelay on February 8, 2014 at 4:38 PM

BBC is fairly objective… Usually in line with the Countries political class at least.

Our media here in the States are too busy kissing ass for access to ask why they need to kiss ass for access. Meh, just my thoughts on the subject.

NiteOwl on February 8, 2014 at 5:41 PM

Franklin100 on February 8, 2014 at 5:08 PM

Bush of course! He allowed the puppy to live. In time the puppy became a dog. The dog had puppies. The dog didn’t have access to free abortion because of BUUUUUUSH! Obama ate the damn thing and ended the controversy… Because he is Caligula reborn! All hail Caesar!

NiteOwl on February 8, 2014 at 5:47 PM

BBC is fairly objective

You really think so? I think the Beeb is one of the most far-left media outfits of all.

Art Vandelay on February 8, 2014 at 5:47 PM

You really think so? I think the Beeb is one of the most far-left media outfits of all.

Art Vandelay on February 8, 2014 at 5:47 PM

Read the rest of the sentence. Hmmm, you may have missed something…

NiteOwl on February 8, 2014 at 5:50 PM

Art Vandelay on February 8, 2014 at 5:47 PM

Not trying to be snide, but on the toob. Unless you are willing to pay for a whole lot for crap you won’t watch… they are more objective on US politics.

I actually cruise the net for REAL news… I imagine you do too, why else would you be here?

NiteOwl on February 8, 2014 at 5:56 PM

Sorry, misunderstood. I’ve listened to their radio coverage which I found to be biased, at least in terms of global warming and issues like that.

Perhaps they are more evenhanded in covering U.S. politics as you say.

Art Vandelay on February 8, 2014 at 6:04 PM

BBC is fairly objective… Usually in line with the Countries political class at least.

NiteOwl on February 8, 2014 at 5:41 PM

For decades, the BBC (especially on the radio side with the World Service) was fairly objective, but that all began to change about 20 years ago.

In the early 1990s, not only did many of the old-line BBC journalists begin to retire, but the Beeb also entered into a partnership with the Far-Left PBS/NPR here in the States.

And in 2006, the BBC suddenly decided to ignore its own Charter, which mandated that it report news impartially.

The BBC decided to abandon its charter to promote Global Warming.

Del Dolemonte on February 8, 2014 at 6:11 PM

Said troll suddenly had to go “into conference”, and never came back.

Del Dolemonte on February 8, 2014 at 5:00 PM

If it wasn’t Pickle, it should definitely read your comment, above.

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2014 at 6:20 PM

Is Eason Jordan running NBC now?

Another Drew on February 8, 2014 at 6:26 PM

For decades, the BBC (especially on the radio side with the World Service) was fairly objective, but that all began to change about 20 years ago.

In the early 1990s, not only did many of the old-line BBC journalists begin to retire, but the Beeb also entered into a partnership with the Far-Left PBS/NPR here in the States.

And in 2006, the BBC suddenly decided to ignore its own Charter, which mandated that it report news impartially.

The BBC decided to abandon its charter to promote Global Warming.

Del Dolemonte on February 8, 2014 at 6:11 PM

Really? Crap, guess it’s just cruising the net now. Thank you… No thank you a lot for ruining my day Jerk…. I must now drink copious amounts of Vodka to quell my angst! My barrister will be contacting you shortly in reference to my law suit for causing my liver failure. Cheers! :-)

NiteOwl on February 8, 2014 at 6:31 PM

Pivotal experiments?

Going from the Czar to the Commissar? And the current FSB traces its history back through the KGB and through to the Cheka as a single line, which means the Cheka never disappeared, just changed names.

So after the dead in Ukraine, the gulags, Mao’s mass terror and ‘re-education’ of ‘intellectuals’, the ‘great leap forward’ which impoverished the Chinese people worse than they had been, and Pol Pot realizing that if you kill off the journalists first then you can keep right on killing… what has anyone actually learned from the experiment in International Socialism?

That it is no different than National Socialism.

And if you can’t name any of the major flaws that were seen in socialism at the time that Marx was still alive that he couldn’t respond to, then you have no idea what socialism actually is.

ajacksonian on February 8, 2014 at 6:56 PM

Del Dolemonte on February 8, 2014 at 6:11 PM

Ummm… that was just sarcasm in case you were looking up liability law… :-)

NiteOwl on February 8, 2014 at 7:00 PM

And if you can’t name any of the major flaws that were seen in socialism at the time that Marx was still alive that he couldn’t respond to, then you have no idea what socialism actually is.

ajacksonian on February 8, 2014 at 6:56 PM

Very well said.

NiteOwl on February 8, 2014 at 7:02 PM

I guess the American revolution doesn’t have any meaning to NBC. That was not a pivotal role in world history

jaywemm on February 8, 2014 at 7:14 PM

After a while you just have to laugh at the Driveby media. Their newspapers are losing subscribers every year some going broke. Their tv nets are following down the same path with more and more people turning anywhere but there. Its almost hilarious if it wasn’t so sick.

rodguy911 on February 8, 2014 at 7:38 PM

Well, communism does *hollow out the intelligentsia*. Thinning of the herd, eh, LibScreechOrCry?

AppraisHer on February 8, 2014 at 7:52 PM

Pivotal moments like,
The Great Leap Forward.
The Inquisition.
The Final Solution.

AshleyTKing on February 8, 2014 at 7:56 PM

Well, communism does *hollow out the intelligentsia*. Thinning of the herd, eh, LibScreechOrCry?

AppraisHer on February 8, 2014 at 7:52 PM

Pol Pot started by killing the journalists, the novelists… then people that he thought were smarter than him. Or better looking. Soon he was killing people wearing glasses as they LOOKED smarter than him.

Reductio ad absurdum with rivers of blood going with it.

ajacksonian on February 8, 2014 at 8:23 PM

Reductio ad absurdum with rivers of blood going with it.

ajacksonian on February 8, 2014 at 8:23 PM

Hmm, Catholic, a doctor or a intellectual. Nobody else uses a dead language in order to make a point. Ha ha, technically you could be all 3. I like it… who was the awesome fellow that thought that was what our friends to the south spoke Latin?

NiteOwl on February 8, 2014 at 9:05 PM

Del Dolemonte on February 8, 2014 at 6:11 PM

Ummm… that was just sarcasm in case you were looking up liability law… :-)

NiteOwl on February 8, 2014 at 7:00 PM

Not a problem! That was just a single example-now, let’s go back to 2003 and the Dr. David Kelly case.

wiki

In May 2003, the defence correspondent of the BBC Radio 4 Today programme, Andrew Gilligan, quoted a government official who stated that the British Government had “sexed up” a dossier concerning weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, against the wishes of the intelligence services. A newspaper report claimed that Alastair Campbell (the Prime Minister’s Director of Communications and Strategy), was responsible. The British Government strongly denied the claims and this prompted an investigation by Parliament.[citation needed]

A Ministry of Defence scientist, Dr David Kelly, was named as the alleged source of the news item, which led to official sources suggesting that Dr Kelly wasn’t a credible source. The subsequent suicide of Dr Kelly resulted in an escalation of the conflict between the government and the BBC, during which both sides received severe criticism for their roles in the matter.

Followup:

The publication in January 2004 of the Hutton Report into Dr Kelly’s death was extremely critical of Andrew Gilligan, and of the Corporation’s management processes and standards of journalism. In the aftermath, both the Chairman of the BBC Gavyn Davies and the Director-General Greg Dyke resigned, followed by Gilligan himself. Lord Hutton was accused of failing to take account of the imperfections inherent in journalism, while giving the Government the benefit of the doubt over its own conduct. Large parts of the media branded it a whitewash.

Del Dolemonte on February 8, 2014 at 9:27 PM

The BBC as an organization has become a liberal mouthpiece, even if it does employ individuals who still have some journailstic integrity, but even the BBC would not not have talked of the marxist holocaust as “a pivotal experiment”.

OK, NBC, tell us exactly what “pivot” has it led us to? Was it a good thing that millions were murdered? What have we learned from this little demonstration of unspeakable brutality? NBC, we really want to know. Tell us the result of this grand “experiment” in blood-letting.

Is Bob Costas now running NBC and the department of State? What monumental idiocy is this!

virgo on February 8, 2014 at 10:08 PM

Pardo if it has already been said — NBC – Now Broadcasting Communism.

LurP on February 8, 2014 at 10:16 PM

Del Dolemonte on February 8, 2014 at 9:27 PM

Wow, sounds almost Clintonian. I personally only use wiki for the links to the articles… In this case they seem to pan out.

NiteOwl on February 8, 2014 at 10:39 PM

I think that when we think about it tyranny is tyranny no matter who id in charge as a communist I am no more in support if those atrocities as anyone else we just as a human race fight against oppression whereever we can. Just because we have different ideologies doesn’t mean we can’t stand together for freedom justice prosperity and the rule of lay. God bless

redyoshii on February 8, 2014 at 3:06 PM

Can you give me an example where communism has practiced freedom? It won’t work if people have freedom of speech.

How about where communism has lead to prosperity? or followed the rule of law?

Annielou on February 8, 2014 at 10:47 PM

so were dinosaurs

WryTrvllr on February 8, 2014 at 11:09 PM

I had to apologize to my wife at that moment of the broadcast. When the narrator described the Revolution in those white-washing terms, I jumped up and shouted, “An experiment in inhumanity, which failed miserably!”

NBC, you have no shame.

Freelancer on February 8, 2014 at 11:25 PM

In addition to this most unfortunate error, the opposite fallacy has also been made popular in the minds of many, namely that capitalists and advocates of a free market economy, hate the poor.

Capitalists and free marketeers do hate the poor. That’s why we work so hard, and are quite successful, at eliminating poverty…

JohnGalt23 on February 9, 2014 at 2:29 AM

NiteOwl on February 8, 2014 at 9:05 PM

None of the above, although when I wear a collarless black shirt I have been mistaken for a priest… so there is that, I suppose.

ajacksonian on February 9, 2014 at 5:18 AM

And so it is that we here, in the United States, have been subjected to another “experiment” these past five years.

WordsMatter on February 9, 2014 at 10:28 AM

You people on the national socialist left [such as the National Barack Channel] really do need to get your act together either denying you’re socialist or pushing it’s organized evil.

Some of your comrades work awfully hard in denying the obvious – and failing miserable in the process I might add.

Still others try and push the ‘features’ your organized evil – what ever they are – whilst denying the deaths, oppression and misery that it has wrought.

DinaRehn on February 9, 2014 at 11:39 AM

Russia’s anti-gay laws have been a major focus in the lead-up to the Olympic Winter Games in Sochi, and during his address at today’s opening ceremony IOC president Thomas Bach made a strong statement against “any form of discrimination” and in favor of tolerance. Viewers worldwide heard the statement; NBC viewers in the U.S. did not, because the network edited it out.

I guess I am surprised that the men’s ice skating is still going on, it would have been the first sport to be banned in this Olympics according to the Ruskie’s.

-west

mr_west on February 9, 2014 at 2:54 PM

Not to mention the damage to one’s soul, earned self-esteem and desire to succeed against all odds.

Communism/socialism/current progressivism/fascism all are erected by elites who think THEY have THE answers to all – as long as the rest of us kowtow to them. They fear free-thinking, free-markets.

The essence of the human spirit (or soul) cannot exist in any form of a totalitarian state. Thus, they constantly push for central control.

Invention disappears – check the number of patents by Americans since the 0 administration has been in place – it’s declining. Our spirit must return – our historical DNA demands it.

MN J on February 9, 2014 at 4:15 PM

The Left learned a long time ago that the only way to sell socialism is by LYING about it.

Someone else came up with this, but it’s very appropriate here: Socialism is organized Evil

I’ve seen and asked questions like this myself:

If Socialism is such a great idea – why does it have to be stealthily implemented by fraud and deceit?

If Socialism is such a great idea – why does it have to be maintained at the point of a gun?

If Socialism is such a great idea – why do socialist regimes have to oppress their people with secret police organizations?

If Socialism is such a great idea – why do socialist regimes feel the need to imprison some of their people in gulags?

If Socialism is such a great idea – why do socialist regimes feel the need to keep their people from leaving?

And I never get a straight answers from those on the national socialist left – go figure.

DinaRehn on February 9, 2014 at 5:03 PM

When people are left alone to pursue their own hopes and dreams, capitalism happens naturally.

Socialism/communism happens when someone points a gun at you.

Capitalism is the puriest expression of human freedom.

JackM on February 9, 2014 at 7:47 PM

They’re right: It WAS a big time experiment in history.
And, it failed. Just like Semitic genocide, and a few other interesting ‘experiments’.

As a scientist, I point out (to the C-students running NBC) that when you carry out an experiment and it fails, you note the results and move on to something else.
Hopefully, smarter than before you conducted the experiment.

Unless you’re a pack of progressive idi*ts, whereupon you redo the same experiment over, and over, and over, and over….

orangemtl on February 10, 2014 at 1:31 PM

In addition to this most unfortunate error, the opposite fallacy has also been made popular in the minds of many, namely that capitalists and advocates of a free market economy, hate the poor.

Socialists love the poor so much they want to make everyone poor — except for the elite ruling socialists who live like successful capitalists. In fact, many successful capitalists turn into socialists after they make their wad, supporting policies that make it more difficult for others to do the same thing they did.

Where socialists have been able to do what they want unfettered by capitalism they have succeeded spectacularly in making almost everyone poor and/or in keeping almost everyone poor.

And capitalists hate the poor so much they have been instrumental in creating the most prosperous countries in human history with the fewest poor. Not to mention most of the ‘poor’ in the US are better off than about 90% of the people in the rest of the world. If capitalists hate the poor and want more people to be poor, they have failed spectacularly in the past few centuries.

The socialists want a classless society where everyone, except for the ruling class, is basically at best lower middle class, with little to no opportunity to improve their lot in life no matter how hard they work. Only a fool works hard where socialists rule.

farsighted on February 10, 2014 at 9:59 PM

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