LA Times: California’s ObamaCare execution has been something of a hot mess

posted at 7:21 pm on February 7, 2014 by Erika Johnsen

Because getting through the signup process, dear enrollees, was only the beginning. It was only ever going to be the beginning, really.

After overcoming website glitches and long waits to get Obamacare, some patients are now running into frustrating new roadblocks at the doctor’s office.

A month into the most sweeping changes to healthcare in half a century, people are having trouble finding doctors at all, getting faulty information on which ones are covered and receiving little help from insurers swamped by new business.

Experts have warned for months that the logjam was inevitable. But the extent of the problems is taking by surprise many patients — and even doctors — as frustrations mount.

Aliso Viejo resident Danielle Nelson said Anthem Blue Cross promised half a dozen times that her oncologists would be covered under her new policy. She was diagnosed last year with non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma and discovered a suspicious lump near her jaw in early January.

But when she went to her oncologist’s office, she promptly encountered a bright orange sign saying that Covered California plans are not accepted.

Conservatives have been warning about the limited networks and fewer healthcare options that insurers were bound to use as a way to help control costs since before the law’s passage; some of the law’s cheerleaders finally caught on just a tad bit later; and now that the law has gone into effect, Americans are living it. And if organizing just the signup process through the website was such a shame spiral of royal bureaucratic incompetence on so many fronts, you know that trying to administer the actual healthcare system through it is going to be just as bad — as California also aptly showcased today. Again via the LA Times:

Admitting it gave some consumers bad information, California’s health insurance exchange pulled its physician directory for having too many errors.

Covered California made the move late Thursday amid growing frustration among both consumers and doctors over inaccurate information about insurance networks in the state marketplace.

The exchange yanked its online directory of medical providers in mid-October after acknowledging there were serious problems then with the data. It published an updated list in November. …

The exchange said Thursday that “while the combined provider directory was a useful service for many consumers, some enrollees located physicians thought to be in their plan, and subsequently discovered they were not.”

The state suggested that enrollees “who are unsatisfied with their provider network still have time to cancel their coverage and sign up with a different insurer” before enrollment ends in March — but I doubt that that’s much comfort to the people for whom signing up in the first place was a tortuously drawn-out trial, or for the people who are discovering that they cannot, in fact, keep their doctor. Or, you know, “if you want to, you can pay for it.” It’s a matter of “choice,” or something.


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We told ya so.

Also, speaking of execution, how many of our new trolls have been ban hammered so far?

BacaDog on February 7, 2014 at 7:28 PM

How does it feel to be Obama’s and DeathCare’s beyotch…. LA Times?

viking01 on February 7, 2014 at 7:28 PM


LA Times: California’s ObamaCare execution has been something of a hot mess

FIFY…

OmahaConservative on February 7, 2014 at 7:29 PM

Just do what the Feds are doing on your border…..

Don’t enforce ObamaCare…

Electrongod on February 7, 2014 at 7:30 PM

Also, speaking of execution, how many of our new trolls have been ban hammered so far?

BacaDog on February 7, 2014 at 7:28 PM

Oh dear God, hold on. Give me ten minutes…

Lanceman on February 7, 2014 at 7:30 PM

Amateurish.

CWchangedhisNicagain on February 7, 2014 at 7:34 PM

… ObamaCare Execution …

This may — immorally, criminally, and tragically — become a more popular euphemism than Death Panels …

ShainS on February 7, 2014 at 7:35 PM

Huh……who would have ever predicted that??

rick_blaines_forehead on February 7, 2014 at 7:40 PM

It’s hard to believe no one ever saw this coming, huh?

battalion on February 7, 2014 at 7:45 PM

And how nice of The Won to extend Ins to those who are close to losing what they have, for another 3 years.

Is this a fricking Law or what?

Hell, if people can pick and choose, don’t pick and don’t choose, let this damned O’care die already…

We are being ruled by Dunces!

Scrumpy on February 7, 2014 at 7:45 PM

Hot mess? Is that the new euphemism for unmitigated disaster? For 300 mile per hour train wreck in the middle of a high school and elementary school zone?

oscarwilde on February 7, 2014 at 7:48 PM

So what?..fast trains..solar panels..no trans fats…POT!..

Mimzey on February 7, 2014 at 7:48 PM

This is what happens when morons and psychopaths are in charge.

VorDaj on February 7, 2014 at 7:52 PM

At this point in time, what difference really does it make eh?

Scrumpy on February 7, 2014 at 7:54 PM

When many Kaliforniacs who have determined that they’ve signed up with ‘Covered California’and then discovered that they have lost their previous providers, subsequent contacts with CC result in automatic referral to an informational telephone site – 1-800-Death Panel…

vnvet on February 7, 2014 at 7:54 PM

… ObamaCare Execution …

This may — immorally, criminally, and tragically — become a more popular euphemism than Death Panels …

ShainS on February 7, 2014 at 7:35 PM

Reichsmarschall Sebelius: “someone lives, and someone dies”.

slickwillie2001 on February 7, 2014 at 7:55 PM

Double, double
Toil and trouble
Round about the cauldron go
In the poisoned entrails throw
Fillet of Kevorkian snake
In the cauldron boil and bake
Eye of bribed congressman and toe of Ezekiel frog
Wool of kos ding bat and tongue of rabid dog
Senator’s pork and blind-bureaucrat sting
Chris Matthews tingling leg and White House eugenics wing
Maw of ravening tax shark
Root of Mengele hemlock digged in the dark

Cheshire Cat on February 7, 2014 at 7:57 PM

Say if a plan’s list of doctors has no doctors accepting the plan, what happens to the plan? Because it is a fraud on its face.

Any bets that this will be the case in CA for at least one plan? That a total and absolutely fraudulent plan was put up with no doctors in its purported network? If the back end is this bad, imagine how bad the front end is to get here…

ajacksonian on February 7, 2014 at 8:13 PM

Enforce this pig of a law.
No delays, no exceptions.

Isn’t that what the left teaches? Make you adversaries live by their rules? Your minions in Congress passed it, you signed it into law. Now enforce it and live with the consequences.

If I recall, the Constitution says this about the preezy’s duty.
Article 2, section 3: “…he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed…”

This law is not being faithfully executed. It’s being manipulated to advance an entitlement, pandering, vote-buying agenda.

freedomfirst on February 7, 2014 at 8:18 PM

Obamacare SHOULD be executed. By firing squad. In public.

ConstantineXI on February 7, 2014 at 8:19 PM

The term “Hot Mess” typically refers to a disorganized hottie.
The kindest euphemism one could conjure up for ObamaCare is “Steaming Pile”.

RavingLunatic on February 7, 2014 at 8:20 PM

I don’t see any numbers here. It’s Friday Feb. 7, and there are no numbers. WTF?

oldroy on February 7, 2014 at 8:28 PM

The minuscule provider network is a feature. If patients can’t find a doctor to see they will never find out that they have a $6500 deductible to meet before they get any benefit when they finally get to a doctor. See how that works?

NOMOBO on February 7, 2014 at 8:30 PM

Oh dear God, hold on. Give me ten minutes…

Lanceman on February 7, 2014 at 7:30 PM

Setting a Chinese made plastic sundial. Don’t tell Del.

oldroy on February 7, 2014 at 8:32 PM

huh?

freedomfirst on February 7, 2014 at 8:34 PM

Hey! Liberals know how to run everything! Just ask them!

GarandFan on February 7, 2014 at 8:34 PM

Hey! Liberals know how to run everything! Just ask them!

GarandFan on February 7, 2014 at 8:34 PM

How would they run a weapons factory?

oldroy on February 7, 2014 at 8:37 PM

How would they run a weapons factory test range/facility?

oldroy on February 7, 2014 at 8:37 PM

They’d all form one nice big kumbaya circle.

freedomfirst on February 7, 2014 at 8:41 PM

Cheshire Cat on February 7, 2014 at 7:57 PM

Heh! I forgot about ‘wing of kosbat’!

Lanceman on February 7, 2014 at 8:42 PM

Even a team of true experts in the field couldn’t design a system that would work well within the set parameters of ObamaCare, and they didn’t have that.

AGAIN, this is exactly what those of us foresaw who argued against a futile shutdown that cost us the sequester. Let it go forward without our interference and it will flop on its own.

Adjoran on February 7, 2014 at 9:24 PM

…half veterans…half new people…like it!

KOOLAID2 on February 7, 2014 at 9:51 PM

Obamacare fiasco & a drought to boot. Couldn’t happen to a more deserving Lefties.

RdLake on February 7, 2014 at 10:03 PM

Conservatives have been warning about the limited networks and fewer healthcare options that insurers were bound to use as a way to help control costs since before the law’s passage; some of the law’s cheerleaders finally caught on just a tad bit later; and now that the law has gone into effect, Americans are living dying because of it.

posted at 7:21 pm on February 7, 2014 by Erika Johnsen

There Erika, FIFY

Franklin100 on February 7, 2014 at 10:26 PM

Is this the History channel? This story is like three days old.

bobs1196 on February 7, 2014 at 10:40 PM

Conservatives Obstructionist-racists have been warning about the limited networks and fewer healthcare options that insurers were bound to use as a way to help control costs since before the law’s passage

Or at least that’s what I think those who pointed out glaring errors and shortcomings were called.

Hill60 on February 7, 2014 at 10:47 PM

Pshaw! Just a few little website problems!

Ok, so 70% of the doctors in California won’t accept Obamacare. So most of the doctors listed as accepting Obamacare are part of that 70%. You’ve got to keep some perspective.

As a wise observer once said,

Ed –
You mean the websites aren’t working perfectly on day one two three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven twelve thirteen fourteen fifteen sixteen seventeen eighteen nineteen twenty twenty-one twenty-two twenty-three twenty-four twenty-five twenty-six twenty-seven twenty-eight twenty-nine thirty thirty-one thirty-two thirty-three thirty-four thirty-five thirty-six thirty-seven thirty-eight thirty-nine forty forty-one forty-two forty-three forty-four forty-five forty-six forty-seven forty-eight forty-nine fifty fifty-one fifty-two fifty-three fifty-four fifty-five fifty-six fifty-seven fifty-eight fifty-nine sixty sixty-one sixty-two sixty-three sixty-four sixty-five sixty-six sixty-seven sixty-eight sixty-nine seventy seventy-one seventy-two seventy-three seventy-four seventy-five seventy-six seventy-seven seventy-eight seventy-nine eighty eighty-one eighty-two eighty-three eighty-four eighty-five eighty-six eighty-seven eighty-eight eighty-nine ninety ninety-one ninety-two ninety-three ninety-four ninety-five ninety-six ninety-seven ninety-eight ninety-nine one hundred one hundred one one hundred two one hundred three one hundred four one hundred five one hundred six one hundred seven one hundred eight one hundred nine one hundred ten one hundred eleven one hundred twelve one hundred thirteen one hundred fourteen one hundred fifteen one hundred sixteen one hundred seventeen one hundred eighteen one hundred nineteen one hundred twenty one hundred twenty-one one hundred twenty-two one hundred twenty-three one hundred twenty-four one hundred twenty-five one hundred twenty-six one hundred twenty-seven one hundred twenty-eight one hundred twenty-nine one hundred thirty
verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 10:18 AM

(H/T NotCoach)

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 7, 2014 at 11:37 PM

So … can we file a gazillion dollar class action lawsuit against Obama for fraudulent business practices, bait and switch advertising, and all the other legal remedies when you’re suckered into buying a lemon by false advertising?

Frankly, I’m rather enjoying the sight of all those sub-citizens, though, who thought they were going to be getting Beverly Hills-level medical coverage. Like, people coming to America for their free kidney transplants, or Mexicans with bad teeth wanting not just the tooth to be removed but to have a new one implanted. I love it a lot that not only can these newly-insured not have free abortions or butt transplants on the taxpayer’s dime, but evidently they can’t even get a lousy doctor’s appointment at all.

However, I had a young black Princeton graduate telling me this week that the only remedy for America’s healthcare situation — the ONLY institution big enough to fix it — would be the Federal government. I wonder exactly what it will take before this particular individual can wash the Obama KoolAid out of his Ivy League-educated system.

NahnCee on February 8, 2014 at 12:47 AM

I wonder if Bo brought the paper to The Zero yet so he can learn what a cluster farce it is?

rocker98 on February 8, 2014 at 4:05 AM

President Obama said that the Calif exchange was proof that Obamacare was working.

Well, the saying goes; As goes California, so goes the nation.

Leading the road of misconception is about it.

Could the doctors end up taking this whole concept down?

plutorocks on February 8, 2014 at 8:02 AM

Ya know? It’s bad enough to have Obama as the President of the USA…but just think..

You could also have Jerry Brown for a Governor and Nancy Pelosi, Diane Feinstein and Barbra Boxer for your reps in Congress..

Holy Jesus….

BigWyo on February 8, 2014 at 8:57 AM

And they expect people to pay premiums for this disaster every month?

ncinca on February 8, 2014 at 9:09 AM

For all you Democrats out there, we are not stupid. We selected health insurance plans we wanted, plans that had the coverage we desired and without the coverage we did not need. Your one size fits all health insurance coverage does no work for us. If you like it, you can keep it. As for me and many others, we prefer to keep our individual liberty and the health plans we had picked ourselves. So just go on back to your collective and leave us alone. Thanks.

randy on February 8, 2014 at 9:15 AM

randy on February 8, 2014 at 9:15 AM

Not only did those plans that we chose work for us, they worked for the insurance companies who designed them based on risk assessment. That’s how the free market works. Not a perfect system, could have used a some tinkering, but didn’t deserve to be blown up.

ncinca on February 8, 2014 at 10:11 AM

Please tell me if I understand the concept. To insure the uninsured, we must uninsure the insured. And then re-insure the newly uninsured at twice the cost. Now, all the newly insured, and newly re-insured are not really insured. Does that just about sum it up?

rockindubya on February 8, 2014 at 10:11 AM

…some enrollees located physicians thought to be in their plan, and subsequently discovered they were not.

Notice the implied denial of liability. This should have been correctly stated as “We screwed up and told you some doctors were covered but were not. In fact, we screwed up so badly, we can’t fix our list of covered doctors and are pulling the whole list.”

But I’m sure the government bureaucrats will respond much more quickly to correct problems then the insurance bureaucrats did. /sarc

Over50 on February 8, 2014 at 10:41 AM

Burn baby burn

It’s going to take a great deal of personal pain before the LIVs finally wake up and realize the 40 years of brainwashing they’ve received is wrong – big daddy government can’t and won’t take care of them. Some of them will never wake up, but hopefully enough will.

Jeanettesca on February 8, 2014 at 11:54 AM

Say if a plan’s list of doctors has no doctors accepting the plan, what happens to the plan? Because it is a fraud on its face.

ajacksonian on February 7, 2014 at 8:13 PM

Absolutely, yes. This is the next logical step in the self-destruction of Obamacare ™. Law-suits, by the thousands, demanding the return of payments, for breach of contract, with damages.

virgo on February 8, 2014 at 5:22 PM