The GOP is passing a bill to end paddle-boat restrictions in Yellowstone park. Don’t laugh.

posted at 7:41 pm on February 6, 2014 by Erika Johnsen

My split-second reaction to this headline: What in the world is Congress doing trying to legislate boat access in Yellowstone National Park?

My reaction to this headline after three seconds of reflection: What in the world is the federal government even doing trying to micromanage Yellowstone National Park, at all?

Because apparently, if Congress doesn’t make a decision on Yellowstone boat access, then nobody else will. Nobody else can. Via The Hill:

The Obama administration said Wednesday that it opposes a Republican bill allowing kayaks and other paddle boats into forbidden areas of the Yellowstone and Grand Teton National Parks.

The Public Access and Lands Improvement Act, H.R. 2954, eliminates two federal regulations to give paddle boats this expanded access to the two Wyoming parks. House Republicans will call up that bill today and pass it.

In a Statement of Administration Policy, the White House said the bill’s provisions on paddle boats “set a troubling precedent for the management of the use of hand-propelled vessels in Yellowstone and Grand Tetons National Parks.”

The SAP did not elaborate, but the White House is likely bothered by the idea of Congress using legislation to strike down two federal regulations.

H.R. 2954 is an omnibus bill that combines Lummis’s proposal and nine other land use bills. Among other things, it would prevents the Bureau of Land Management from expanding its inventory of land holdings, and allows for the conveyance of land in a few states. The White House said it opposes most of the proposals in the bill.

Yes, I’m sure the Obama administration and their eco-radical influencers aren’t at all keen on scrapping a federal regulation that helps to systematically shut off treasured areas from human access and recreation. For a little more background on what’s really going on here, The Hill points to this story from the Jackson Hole News & Guide from last November, when the legislation was first introduced to combat a lingering restriction from an antiquated rule dating back more than fifty years:

The regulations were written to prevent overfishing, said U.S. Rep. Rob Bishop, R–Utah, the bill’s co-sponsor and chairman of the House Subcommittee on Public Lands and Environmental Regulation. That law is no longer a viable excuse and now serves only to exclude the public from enjoying an important national resource, he said.

“Once again, the Department of the Interior is prohibiting a good access for outdoor recreation for people, and it’s needless,” he said. “What we’re trying to tell them is to base their management plan on contemporary science and not regulations from the 1950s.”

Kevin Colburn, national stewardship director for the American Whitewater Association, agrees. Of all the national parks in the U.S., a similar ban applies to only Yosemite, he said.

“We think those old regulations don’t make sense anymore,” Colburn said. “There are plenty of ways to prevent overfishing without prohibiting boating.” …

Even without the ban, park leaders could still manage boating through permits and other practices, he said, just as they manage other uses. In fact, his organization would support such limitations, he said. …

The approach for boats he advocates “must put natural resources first and be sustainably managed, and I think boating can be sustainably managed,” he said.

Among progressive environmentalist zealots, there never seems to be any shortage of the fatal conceit that big government and big government alone is somehow the only effective arbiter of responsible environmental stewardship. In fact, however, the federal government is rarely if ever an efficient, energetic, creative, agile, or cost-effective problem solver capable of making decisions that are divorced from a specific political agenda. When it comes to its micromanagement of the American landscape, big government’s all too familiar flaws manifest themselves as environmental degradation and poor long-term policy choices.

Just look at what I highlighted from the above article: There are probably plenty of ways to prevent overfishing, without just outright banning boating. Why the employees and enthusiasts on the ground in Yellowstone are subjected to top-down decisions from politicians in DC is beyond me, but if the federal government were really interested in top-rate conservation, they should consider that there is probably nobody on earth more interested and involved in the conservation of prime whitewater areas and the surrounding wilderness than the people who are gung-ho about whitewater rafting.

The federal government already has a deferred maintenance backlog ranging in the tens of billions of dollars, but instead of taking better care of the one-third of the surface area the United States already owns, President Obama keeps funding the Land and Water Conservation Fund whose main purpose is to just keep right on buying and adding land to the federal estate (his 2014 budget asked for $900 million at the LWCF’s disposal, yeesh). The federal government does not need to be so heavily involved in the day-to-day management of all of our national parks, and the government shutdown last autumn aptly demonstrated why it’s a good idea to consider the option of leasing some of our parks to private companies that can more effectively steward them and actually generate revenue at the same time.


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The SAP did not elaborate, but the White House is likely bothered by the idea of Congress using legislation to strike down two federal regulations.

Well that and nobody is madder than Obama when he thinks Americans are having fun in ways that have not been provided, funded, or sanctioned by his administration.

Happy Nomad on February 6, 2014 at 7:46 PM

Great Googly Moogly..

BigWyo on February 6, 2014 at 7:46 PM

Canoes?

How many trillions in debt and unfunded liabilities and the DC politicians are arguing about canoes?

sharrukin on February 6, 2014 at 7:47 PM

PRIVATIZE the parks. I think the “shutdown” proved the Feds have no business owning parks and monuments.

Besides, the Obama Regime taught me that unemployment is a GREAT THING, so let’s do those “Ranger McUnfriendlies” from the shutdown a FAVOR and visit FUNemployment onto them!

ConstantineXI on February 6, 2014 at 7:49 PM

Congress! Doing the people’s work since… forever!

This is merely one reason why I’m not too optimistic about the GOP retaking the Senate. Oh, well…

Aizen on February 6, 2014 at 7:49 PM

You can abort all the babies you want; just don’t abort any fish.

RBMN on February 6, 2014 at 7:49 PM

I sure am glad the GOP is working on something important. Instead of wasting time on things like repealing Obamacare, rolling back NSA spying, getting regulatory agencies off the back of the private sector and cutting spending. What I’m really concerned about is being able to use my paddle boat at Yellowstone!

Representing! That’s the GOP’s gig baby!

Libertarian Johnny on February 6, 2014 at 7:49 PM

Congress! Doing the people’s work since… forever!

This is merely one reason why I’m not too optimistic about the GOP retaking the Senate. Oh, well…

Aizen on February 6, 2014 at 7:49 PM

I’m not optimistic that the GOP will do any better if they DO take over the Senate.

ConstantineXI on February 6, 2014 at 7:49 PM

Maybe this will end up being the GOP’s hill to die on vis-a-vis the debt ceiling. At least there are boats at the bottom of this hill.

Bitter Clinger on February 6, 2014 at 7:50 PM

What’s it matter what kind of boats are available if the Park Nazis won’t let you out of the lodge?

dentarthurdent on February 6, 2014 at 7:51 PM

What part of “YOU ARE RECREATIN’, AND I TOLD YOU YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO RECREATE!!!!” do you people not understand?

dentarthurdent on February 6, 2014 at 7:52 PM

The GOP is passing a bill to end paddle-boat restrictions in Yellowstone park.

If this Government was around back in 1492….

The New World would remain unknown..

Electrongod on February 6, 2014 at 7:53 PM

Maybe this will end up being the GOP’s hill to die on vis-a-vis the debt ceiling. At least there are boats at the bottom of this hill.

Bitter Clinger on February 6, 2014 at 7:50 PM

The “hill the GOPe is willing to die on” is a faster moving target than Obama’s current interpretation of the Obamacare law.

ConstantineXI on February 6, 2014 at 7:53 PM

obaka will just barricade any park he doesn’t want disturbed…

ladyingray on February 6, 2014 at 7:55 PM

obaka will just barricade any park he doesn’t want disturbed…

ladyingray on February 6, 2014 at 7:55 PM

Unless some favored group wants it open, say a bunch of lawbreakers who snuck into this country from Mexico.

ConstantineXI on February 6, 2014 at 7:59 PM

Heller, Murkowski, and Collins tried to help unemployed Americans today.
But, we get canoes. Way to go GOP.
Slow clap.

Pickle on February 6, 2014 at 7:59 PM

Heller, Murkowski, and Collins tried to help unemployed Americans today.
But, we get canoes. Way to go GOP.
Slow clap.

Pickle on February 6, 2014 at 7:59 PM

…you’re thinking of “clap“…in the wrong way!

JugEarsButtHurt on February 6, 2014 at 8:02 PM

Maybe the GOP wants this to be a major election year issue. Deflect how unprincipled they have been on the minor issues like debt ceilings, NSA spying, IRS abuses, Benghazi, et al.

giorgio111 on February 6, 2014 at 8:02 PM

if we had smart house leadership they would pass the bare minimum to keep the fed gov’t open. there’s no reason to deal with this lawless president.

newrouter on February 6, 2014 at 8:04 PM

The question is: can Boehner get 218?

thatsafactjack on February 6, 2014 at 8:04 PM

At least they’re focusing on the important stuff.

NavyMustang on February 6, 2014 at 8:05 PM

That’s it, butt hurt? That’s all you have here?

Pickle on February 6, 2014 at 8:05 PM

Picklepuss needs to decide if it’s a leftist or a RINO.

thatsafactjack on February 6, 2014 at 8:06 PM

Canoes?

How many trillions in debt and unfunded liabilities and the DC politicians are arguing about canoes?

sharrukin on February 6, 2014 at 7:47 PM

And when they get done with that, they can tackle the “Redskin” offense.

davidk on February 6, 2014 at 8:06 PM

That’s it, butt hurt? That’s all you have here?

Pickle on February 6, 2014 at 8:05 PM

Yes. So you’ll be happier somewhere else.

davidk on February 6, 2014 at 8:07 PM

By help you mean transfer wealth right?

Murphy9 on February 6, 2014 at 8:07 PM

That’s it, butt hurt? That’s all you have here?

Pickle on February 6, 2014 at 8:05 PM

…that’s all your pickle needs!…I don’t want it to become engorged!

JugEarsButtHurt on February 6, 2014 at 8:09 PM

Pickle may be libtard4life. I will know more later.

Lanceman on February 6, 2014 at 8:09 PM

Lanceman on February 6, 2014 at 8:09 PM

I think everyone’s just giving them the walk around and kicking the tires at this point. :)

thatsafactjack on February 6, 2014 at 8:09 PM

legislate the lands back to the states.

dmacleo on February 6, 2014 at 8:09 PM

PRIVATIZE the parks. I think the “shutdown” proved the Feds have no business owning parks and monuments.

Besides, the Obama Regime taught me that unemployment is a GREAT THING, so let’s do those “Ranger McUnfriendlies” from the shutdown a FAVOR and visit FUNemployment onto them!

ConstantineXI on February 6, 2014 at 7:49 PM

Ding, ding ding.

First nooby Quote of the Thread.

davidk on February 6, 2014 at 8:10 PM

…if the federal government were really interested in top-rate conservation, they should consider that there is probably nobody on earth more interested and involved in the conservation of prime whitewater areas and the surrounding wilderness than the people who are gung-ho about whitewater rafting.

That’s big government in a nutshell: No matter how cumbersome, corrupt, inefficient and overpriced, it’s better than “people” who cannot be trusted, even with their own self interest.

ncinca on February 6, 2014 at 8:13 PM

…being a sock…sucks!

JugEarsButtHurt on February 6, 2014 at 8:13 PM

Paddleboats… amnesty…

Its like I wrote out my Christmas wish list and Congress is making it all come true.

*****

Incidentally, don’t be mean to Pickle. That’s my St. Bernard’s name, and while I didn’t give permission for her to register here, now that she’s done so I would hope you’d treat her with more respect.

Diversity, and all that.

Pless1foEngrish on February 6, 2014 at 8:16 PM

Lefty, rino(?), doesn’t really matter. You guys do a great job tearing down your own side.

Pickle on February 6, 2014 at 8:17 PM

Pless1foEngrish on February 6, 2014 at 8:16 PM

Appears some of us were shitfaced when we signed up today…

Lanceman on February 6, 2014 at 8:18 PM

Next up let 18 year old drink beer,

tmitsss on February 6, 2014 at 8:18 PM

Lefty, rino(?), doesn’t really matter. You guys do a great job tearing down your own side.

Pickle on February 6, 2014 at 8:17 PM

What side is that?

Do you think it is a Red Team VS Blue Team showdown?

sharrukin on February 6, 2014 at 8:19 PM

Who is “you guys?”

Is that ha commenters?

Cause you are one dummy.

BTW how come your “side” can’t pass a fking budget?

Thought so.

Murphy9 on February 6, 2014 at 8:19 PM

Canoe ambassador Paul Ryan was your VP candidate two years ago.
The comments could have come from Upworthy.

Pickle on February 6, 2014 at 8:24 PM

Appears some of us were shitfaced when we signed up today…

Lanceman on February 6, 2014 at 8:18 PM

You can’t prove a thing, and besides I was on the other side of town having a business meeting with some friends at the time.

Pless1foEngrish on February 6, 2014 at 8:25 PM

Heller, Murkowski, and Collins tried to help unemployed Americans today.
But, we get canoes. Way to go GOP.
Slow clap.

Pickle on February 6, 2014 at 7:59 PM

They found a way to help them find work?

KCB on February 6, 2014 at 8:26 PM

There was a vote today in the senate, you know, those guys you vote for every six years, and it fell short 58-40 to extend unemployment benefits. Those three republicans voted for it. The rest hate poor, out of work people.
But we got canoes!

Pickle on February 6, 2014 at 8:29 PM

Well! I know I feel much better now. I can sleep soundly with the thought that my unalienable right to go canoeing in Yellowstone is safe. /s. Do I even need that tag?

ClownsToTheLeftOfMe on February 6, 2014 at 8:30 PM

There was a vote today in the senate, you know, those guys you vote for every six years, and it fell short 58-40 to extend unemployment benefits. Those three republicans voted for it. The rest hate poor, out of work people.
But we got canoes!

Pickle on February 6, 2014 at 8:29 PM

Yeah, cause handing out free money always helps people…just ask inner city blacks how much the federal government has done for their community over the years!

sharrukin on February 6, 2014 at 8:32 PM

How many trillions in debt and unfunded liabilities and the DC politicians are arguing about canoes?

sharrukin on February 6, 2014 at 7:47 PM

Yep, that’s your government at work!

Kafir on February 6, 2014 at 8:32 PM

By help you mean transfer wealth right?
Murphy9 on February 6, 2014 at 8:07 PM

Yep. you were right.

Murphy9 on February 6, 2014 at 8:34 PM

The rest hate poor, out of work people.
But we got canoes!

Pickle on February 6, 2014 at 8:29 PM

Why not have unlimited unemployment? And triple the amount? It helps unemployed people. Anyone who disagrees hates out of work people!/ You are gonna have to do way better. You are gonna get chewed up and spit out on this site.

KCB on February 6, 2014 at 8:35 PM

And, yet, they vote in the 90 percentile for democrats.
Maybe it’s the canoes?

Pickle on February 6, 2014 at 8:36 PM

Incidentally, don’t be mean to Pickle. That’s my St. Bernard’s name, and while I didn’t give permission for her to register here, now that she’s done so I would hope you’d treat her with more respect.

Diversity, and all that.

Pless1foEngrish on February 6, 2014 at 8:16 PM

As long as she brings a keg … .

davidk on February 6, 2014 at 8:36 PM

And, yet, they vote in the 90 percentile for democrats.

Pickle on February 6, 2014 at 8:36 PM

What do you think the money is buying if not their vote?

It’s a Democratic vote farm. Modern day plantations brought to you by the party of segregation. The leftists wouldn’t want to do anything to actually help them in any real sense because that would threaten their political hold over them.

sharrukin on February 6, 2014 at 8:39 PM

…pretty poor crop!

KOOLAID2 on February 6, 2014 at 8:39 PM

…pretty poor crop!

KOOLAID2 on February 6, 2014 at 8:39 PM

I haven’t seen enough to know, but nothing on this thread shows promise.

KCB on February 6, 2014 at 8:40 PM

How about congress stops illegally abdicating its legislative authority to the regulatory bodies of the executive branch?

besser tot als rot on February 6, 2014 at 8:44 PM

Pruitt-Igoe

Keep voting democrat!

Murphy9 on February 6, 2014 at 8:45 PM

KCB on February 6, 2014 at 8:40 PM

Good evening, Ken. ;)

Indeed.

thatsafactjack on February 6, 2014 at 8:50 PM

…pretty poor crop!

KOOLAID2 on February 6, 2014 at 8:39 PM

HiHo, who comes across as a theistic evolutionist, posted this site on the evo thread: http://ncse.com/taking-action/project-steve

NCSE provides information and advice as the premier institution dedicated to keeping evolution and climate change in the science classroom and to keeping creationism and climate change denial out.

davidk on February 6, 2014 at 8:51 PM

Oh, look! Isn’t that cute? It makes up numbers and doesn’t provide links.

gumbyandpokey is that you? HAL? LOL!

thatsafactjack on February 6, 2014 at 8:52 PM

Hi Jackie! It is wonderful to see you!

KCB on February 6, 2014 at 8:53 PM

KCB on February 6, 2014 at 8:53 PM

It’s wonderful to see you, too, my friend. :)

thatsafactjack on February 6, 2014 at 8:54 PM

The States would do a much better job of managing the parks than the federal government can. And they can agree to set standards for running the cross-border ones so long as they don’t step on any federal domains in doing so. Stuff like picking up trash, helping visitors, making sure trails are maintained… stuff like that.

You know: running the park.

Instead of thinking you are the lord of all domains and fit to figure out if peddle boats can be used in a lake that is sitting in the middle of a volcanic caldera. If idiots want to go out and run into a pocket of noxious and toxic superheated steam and get parboiled – LET THEM HAVE THEIR FUN.

ajacksonian on February 6, 2014 at 8:54 PM

If idiots want to go out and run into a pocket of noxious and toxic superheated steam and get parboiled – LET THEM HAVE THEIR FUN.

ajacksonian on February 6, 2014 at 8:54 PM

Darwin will sort it out.

davidk on February 6, 2014 at 8:55 PM

The GOP getin’ stuff done.

lel2007 on February 6, 2014 at 9:12 PM

I have waited for more than 30 years to raft inside yellowstone…
a float thru Hayden valley would be fantastic..
get out before canyon village ..as the upper and lower falls are next..
you could do an overnighter on the Yellowstone river in the backcountry…put in near junction butte…
currently you cannot raft till your in Gardner Mt..maybe 20 miles downriver..
you could enjoy the Madison river floating westward..out of the park..
you could pack in to the upper Snake river and float south out of the park…
have rafted this area for maybe 20 summers…the snake and Yellowstone are great rivers…
inside Yellowstone park.. there’s a lake called two oceans lake..
you can kayak from here to either coast depending which end of the lake you depart from…
its Louis n Clark Americana…the upper rockies are a treasure
and we should be able to raft them..!!

going2mars on February 6, 2014 at 9:16 PM

ajacksonian on February 6, 2014 at 8:54 PM

you’ve either not been there…or
you weren’t paying attention when you were there..
next time you go …look at all the water you COULD raft
if only the Feds we not involved…
hundreds of miles of rivers n lakes…
very little of Yellowstone is “toxic” and you just put in
a few miles downrver…pick n choose..
lie you do when your hiking..its not all shear rock faces..

going2mars on February 6, 2014 at 9:23 PM

http://waterdata.usgs.gov/wy/nwis/current/?type=flow

current water flows from the USGS …
live streamflow data from Wyoming

going2mars on February 6, 2014 at 9:25 PM

lie you do
like you do when your hiking…sorry

going2mars on February 6, 2014 at 9:32 PM

you could enjoy the Madison river floating westward..out of the park..
you could pack in to the upper Snake river and float south out of the park

going2mars on February 6, 2014 at 9:16 PM

Is funding for 100,000 26″ Cutties in the bill? Now we’re talkin’

Franklin100 on February 6, 2014 at 9:32 PM

Franklin100 on February 6, 2014 at 9:32 PM

if your looking to fish…
just outside the west entrance is Henery Fork..
known thru out the world as Trout heaven..
and out the south side.. the Snake
the fish are smaller in the upper snake area..but
on the South Fork of the Snake in Idaho has 6-10 thousand fish per mile…
both can be floated with a little skill..

going2mars on February 6, 2014 at 9:36 PM

If I am not mistaken, Orin Hatch’s family owns one of the major river outfitting services for the grand canyon, so……

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2014 at 9:43 PM

Instead of thinking you are the lord of all domains and fit to figure out if peddle boats can be used in a lake that is sitting in the middle of a volcanic caldera. If idiots want to go out and run into a pocket of noxious and toxic superheated steam and get parboiled – LET THEM HAVE THEIR FUN.

ajacksonian on February 6, 2014 at 8:54 PM

They rent small skiffs on that lake anyway.

I was in one once when we got hit by a 2.5 foot wave, propagating against the wind. It looked like it stretched to both sides of the lake. (we were near the middle). Got skunked.

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2014 at 9:51 PM

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2014 at 9:43 PM

then he will be for it…if his company gets permit rights
or
against it if its an open river…non-permit
(because then its competition)

going2mars on February 6, 2014 at 9:51 PM

if your looking to fish…
just outside the west entrance is Henery Fork..
The Madison River Stonefly hatch,
known thru out the world as Trout heaven..

going2mars on February 6, 2014 at 9:36 PM

There, FIFY

Franklin100 on February 6, 2014 at 9:53 PM

Come on, GOP. This is not the hill to die on!!1111!!!

ddrintn on February 6, 2014 at 9:54 PM

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2014 at 9:43 PM

then he will be for it…if his company gets permit rights
or
against it if its an open river…non-permit
(because then its competition)

going2mars on February 6, 2014 at 9:51 PM

They’ve actually got a lot of competition on the Colorado. They do a decent job at a competitive price, still, nice gig if you can get it.

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2014 at 9:56 PM

Franklin100 on February 6, 2014 at 9:53 PM

laffs..at least were in the same neighborhood…
we didn’t have much luck there…smaller fish.. was cold
the yelowstone had some good size ones..
the south snake had nice rainbows…were yummy in garlic n butter…
but the nicest fish I’ve seen were on henry’s fork..
there isn’t a bad river anywhere out that way..

going2mars on February 6, 2014 at 10:00 PM

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2014 at 9:56 PM

not if your a privateer…
I have been on the permit list …for years..!!!
got one ..maybe 15 years ago…it takes forever..

going2mars on February 6, 2014 at 10:02 PM

My split-second reaction to this headline: What in the world is Congress doing trying to legislate boat access in Yellowstone National Park?

My reaction to this headline after three seconds of reflection: What in the world is the federal government even doing trying to micromanage Yellowstone National Park, at all?

Because apparently, if Congress doesn’t make a decision on Yellowstone boat access, then nobody else will. Nobody else can.

Erika Johnsen on February 6, 2014 at 7:41 pm

.
We run into this every time the PA Game Commission wants deer killed in Gettysburg, and Valley Forge National Parks.

It takes … an act … of Congress.

Even when they do get that permission, there’s never enough killed.

listens2glenn on February 6, 2014 at 10:04 PM

Canoes?

How many trillions in debt and unfunded liabilities and the DC politicians are arguing about canoes?

sharrukin on February 6, 2014 at 7:47 PM

If Congress did it’s job and kept doing this to onerous and outdated regulations, it would go a long way to reducing our debt and unfunded liabilities.

The size of gov’t would be reduced and people would have more money in their pockets which = more and higher paid wages which = more taxes paid to the gov’t even when they’re lowered.

UnstChem on February 6, 2014 at 10:12 PM

listens2glenn on February 6, 2014 at 10:04 PM

I saw the Feds once ‘thin’ the buffalo in yelowstone..
when I stopped the car and grabbed the camera
two guys in a government truck pulled up to hassle me..
the whole yarn….license…what are you doing..
you cant take photos here…move along move along…
not only is it an act of congress…they send goons..

going2mars on February 6, 2014 at 10:12 PM

Let’s keep everyone OUT of our National Parks. That way they’ll remain pristine!

GarandFan on February 6, 2014 at 10:24 PM

Franklin100 on February 6, 2014 at 9:53 PM

laffs..at least were in the same neighborhood…
we didn’t have much luck there…smaller fish.. was cold
the yelowstone had some good size ones..
the south snake had nice rainbows…were yummy in garlic n butter…
but the nicest fish I’ve seen were on henry’s fork..
there isn’t a bad river anywhere out that way..

going2mars on February 6, 2014 at 10:00 PM

Not sure how far I can go on a thread hijack, especially as a February 06, 2014 NEWB, but…

You haven’t fished until you’ve fished the Gunnison Gorge Stonefly hatch. Epic lunker Browns, down in the depths all year, come up to surface feed for only 2 weeks of the year. Hit it right and 24″ browns, consistently, are doable. It’s a multiple day float, only accessible by raft in the best places, and gives you a chance to forget all that Dog Eater has been doing for the last 5 years to the last great hope. I get chills just thinking about it.

Franklin100 on February 6, 2014 at 10:24 PM

Franklin100 on February 6, 2014 at 10:24 PM

welcome to HA…
were not hijacking this thread…were driving it..
its government/boating/fishing Americas rivers…
you sound more like a fisherman…
I am more of a rafter….
so you fish us thru this
and i’ll row us around the eddies..
I have not rafted the gunny…hangs head..
mostly a upper rocky rafter..
been to the flathead??……small glacial trout..

going2mars on February 6, 2014 at 10:33 PM

going2mars on February 6, 2014 at 10:33 PM

Flathead on the bucket list. Haven’t made it yet. Nothing like a 12″ healthy western bow on a 3 wt rod. Ha! Like landing a whale.

Franklin100 on February 6, 2014 at 10:46 PM

Franklin100 on February 6, 2014 at 10:46 PM

the north fork of the flathead is shallow…cold..
flows out of Canada and the glaicers..not much for the fish to eat here..
the middle fork is a little deeper no as wide as the north.
starts in the bob marshal wilderness area..schafer meadows..
you can fly in or pack mule in and raft out.
and the lower fork has great wilderness parts..
a lot less water in the upper parts..
really not much for the lil guys to eat…so they don’t get too big

going2mars on February 6, 2014 at 11:02 PM

Let’s keep everyone OUT of our National Parks. That way they’ll remain pristine!

GarandFan on February 6, 2014 at 10:24 PM

You’re kidding right? Strap some bear spray on your belt, some lightweight supplies in your pack, and you can get lost for a week in Yellowstone. Pack out all your garbage and no living sole would ever know you were there. Pristine can be preserved and the land can be used with the right approach. Does not require keeping “everyone out”.

Franklin100 on February 6, 2014 at 11:02 PM

As a man who’s been to Yellowstone several times, for the life of me I can’t understand this nonsense. It’s beyond ridiculous.

conservative hispanic on February 6, 2014 at 11:02 PM

im gonna float over to see the kids at QotD..

going2mars on February 6, 2014 at 11:16 PM

Why does the Federal government own any State land? Thanks Teddy R. – you good ole progressive, you.

Ruckus_Tom on February 7, 2014 at 12:10 AM

You’re kidding right?…
Franklin100 on February 6, 2014 at 11:02 PM

He was.

wearyman on February 7, 2014 at 9:17 AM

“What we’re trying to tell them is to base their management plan on contemporary science and not regulations from the 1950s.”

Good luck getting the “party of science” to acknowledge actual science.

TheBubs on February 7, 2014 at 10:27 AM

“In fact, however, the federal government is rarely if ever an efficient, energetic, creative, agile, or cost-effective problem solver…..”

I can vouch for that. In 1991 I went on a tour of the Bunker Hill Superfund site. at the time they were doing decontamination of the smelter at Kellog, Id. As our tour bus was turning around to head to another part of the site I noticed a pile of brownish orange substance. when I asked the guide what it was he informed us that it was a pile of arsenic. This particular pile had been sitting there for ten YEARS without being at least covered over with a tarp or plastic. Ten years of being rained and snowed upon all the while the glorious EPA was “studying” the site. Problem solver indeed, my ass

Idahoguy on February 7, 2014 at 5:01 PM