Emerging House GOP consensus on immigration: Wait ’til next year? Update: Boehner “likely” to shelve reform? Update: Threatened with ouster?

posted at 11:41 am on February 6, 2014 by Allahpundit

The question mark’s in the headline because there are two credible reports that conflict. (Or do they?) The word from Jonathan Strong on Tuesday was that Boehner still wants to press ahead despite the flak he’s taking from righties. One “well-connected” source told him he wouldn’t be surprised if a bill hits the floor this spring, no doubt after most of the deadlines to file primary challenges have passed. Even pro-amnesty activists like Frank Sharry say they’re struck by how little public opposition there’s been to Boehner’s push from House Republicans. The grassroots are angry, talk radio’s angry, but the caucus itself is largely silent. Hmmmm.

Now here comes the Journal claiming that a sellout is not, in fact, in the works. Not because House Republicans are adamantly opposed to the Boehner/Ryan immigration principles but because they’re deathly afraid to tackle this subject nine months before an election that’s looking rosy for them. If it ain’t broke, why fix it? And if it is broke but you can better afford to fix it next year, why not do it then?

A block of House Republicans opposes the immigration overhaul on policy grounds, but GOP officials say a far larger group is worried about the wisdom of putting forth such a divisive proposal during an election year when the GOP is unified on issues such as health care and the economy. They say Republicans should wait until 2015, when the party might have control of the Senate and more leverage…

By all accounts, Mr. Boehner wants to push forward on immigration legislation, knowing he will need a combination of Republican and Democratic votes to do so. Democrats are cautiously optimistic about the approach Republicans have laid out, but it is unclear whether Mr. Boehner can rally sufficient support inside his own conference…

A Republican lobbyist who is pushing for the overhaul said he was surprised by the nature of the opposition. “We’re not in a fight about the substance but we’re losing the ‘Why now?’ argument far more than I thought we would be,” he said. He dismissed those who say the party should wait until next year: “The idea that it is going to be easier as we roll into a presidential election cycle is just preposterous.”

So the two reports don’t actually conflict. Boehner wants to do this but some sizable chunk of the caucus — a majority? a sizable minority? — prefers to wait. Here’s the question: If he could get more of a Republican buy-in next year, why shouldn’t he wait? Matt Lewis argued the other day that amnesty opponents will always gin up some sort of excuse related to the timing to keep kicking the immigration-reform can down the road, but I simply can’t believe party leaders and their business backers will send the GOP nominee into battle in 2016 without arming him with some sort of amnesty to show Latino voters. It might be a limited one like DREAM, but something’s going to happen. Even Raul Labrador, who said this week that pushing immigration now could cost Boehner his gavel, says immigration is “one of the first things we should do” in 2015 once it controls the Senate again. More:

Among House Republicans, Labrador said, there was “overwhelming support for the idea of doing nothing this year” on immigration, even among those who may agree with the principles outlined by House leadership at last week’s retreat in Cambridge, Md. “I’ve seen some reports in the media that say the majority of [Republicans] were okay with the immigration principles,” he said. “That’s not true. The majority of people didn’t even express their opinion about the principles, they expressed their opinion about the timing of putting these principles forward.”

If that’s true and Boehner’s intent on pressing ahead anyway, what does it mean? One of two things, I think. Could be that he’s deeply worried about House Democrats using another delay on immigration by Republicans as a bludgeon before the midterms, either to goose Latino turnout or to swing purple districts. (House Dems have been quiet about Boehner’s immigration principles lately in order to give him room to win some GOP votes, but naturally that’ll change if/when reform is postponed.) I doubt it, though. No one but no one expects any significant Democratic gains in the House, barring some miraculous economic upswing this summer. Even if immigration demagoguery turns out a few more Latino voters, ObamaCare problems will keep conservatives more motivated than liberals. The other possibility is that Boehner’s eyeing retirement and wants to get reform done either to burnish his legacy (in lieu of the “grand bargain” on deficit reduction he’s always wanted but could never work out with Obama) or because he fears that the next Speaker will be more conservative than him and might not follow through next year on reform. That’s a small risk given that Cantor’s next in line and Cantor’s the one who’s writing the GOP’s version of DREAM, but as Lewis says, the risk isn’t zero. If Boehner’s headed off into the sunset, he might decide it’s worth bringing this to the floor and passing it with, say, 170 Democratic votes and 50 Republican ones. Then he’ll cross his fingers that conservative anger at ObamaCare will trump conservative anger at him in November, with a retirement announcement to come sometime during the lame-duck session.

Exit question: If Boehner does decide to wait until next year, how many Democratic votes for immigration reform will there be come 2015? If the GOP wins big this fall, some Dems will be replaced by Republicans, whose votes are marginally harder to win on this issue. There may also be some Democrats who, despite being reelected, decide to oppose whatever immigration plan the GOP cooks up next year, partly because it’s “too harsh” and partly because at that point it might be more valuable to them to have Republicans fail on immigration again than to pass a bill that gives amnesty fans most of what they want. Maybe that’s another reason Boehner’s thinking of doing it now, despite his own caucus’s worries. One way or another, he’s going to need lots of Democratic votes to make this happen. Those are easier to get today than they will be next year.

Update: Well, well.

Update: Here’s the key line from this morning’s statement. Sounds like this is done until Obama proves somehow that he can be trusted, whatever that might mean.

Update: Jonathan Strong says opponents are playing hardball.

In the hours before Boehner made his surprise announcement, lawmakers and aides had told Breitbart News that early discussions had begun about whether to force a special leadership election in the event Boehner moved forward with immigration legislation.

“It’s going to require blood if this happens,” one GOP member said.


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Either way we’re screwed, the GOP will get themselves a nice majority and then kick their base square in the teeth.

Bishop on February 6, 2014 at 11:43 AM

We’ve gotta get re-elected before we can screw them over.

———Weasel Boehner the Spray-tanned.

viking01 on February 6, 2014 at 11:44 AM

“Boehner left meeting in tears”

jake-the-goose on February 6, 2014 at 11:44 AM

A Republican lobbyist who is pushing for the overhaul…

give us a name or this should be considered a lie made up by the reporter

DanMan on February 6, 2014 at 11:46 AM

This is a frustrating idea. “Comprehensive” anything should not be on the Republican agenda, especially with the well-documented lawlessness of the current administration. No need to snatch defeat.

dAnconia_Copper on February 6, 2014 at 11:46 AM

Jordan Fabian ✔ @Jordanfabian
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Boehner says GOP doesn’t trust Obama on immigration: “It’s going to be difficult to move any immigration legislation until that changes.”

The laws are already on the books. All Obama/Holder have to do is enforce them.

WisRich on February 6, 2014 at 11:46 AM

The primaries are very important, let’s scrape some more barnacles off the hull.

DanMan on February 6, 2014 at 11:47 AM

Headline should read:

Boehner likely to get shelved.

platypus on February 6, 2014 at 11:49 AM

Wait until tomorrow, the “strategy” will change again. Obviously, the GOP has decided to flood the zone with contradictory statements so they can appear to have it every which way.

will77jeff on February 6, 2014 at 11:49 AM

I guess the 2012 election didn’t teach these guys any lesson.

liberalrules on February 6, 2014 at 11:49 AM

Right…..this goes along with all the other headlines saying the same thing.Regardless,JB needs to go!

libertygal on February 6, 2014 at 11:51 AM

We’ve gotta get re-elected before we can screw them over.

———Weasel Boehner the Spray-tanned.

viking01 on February 6, 2014 at 11:44 AM

We’ve got to protect our phony baloney jobs. Harrumph!

WisRich on February 6, 2014 at 11:51 AM

Both boehner and ryan need a one way ticket to hell!

PrettyMooch on February 6, 2014 at 11:52 AM

Some one/few finally found some sanity in the House. Losing the possibility of gaining Senate control, (instead of a handful of Republicans receiving COC campaign money), must have been tough on the Boehner folks. The conservative future just got a little brighter.

Rovin on February 6, 2014 at 11:53 AM

The laws are already on the books. All Obama/Holder have to do is enforce them.

WisRich on February 6, 2014 at 11:46 AM

^^

jcgibson on February 6, 2014 at 11:53 AM

I actually support a large reform package (if it includes border security and immigration reform first, before normalization).

However, the GOP should not allow Obama or the Dems to take credit for it and should wait until after the 2016 election. Allow the presidential nominee to put forward a two step proposal.

1) Increase border security and streamline the immigration process

2) After step 1 is complete, we provide a process for illegal immigrants to be normalized

brentaz on February 6, 2014 at 11:53 AM

Which way is the wind blowing?
OK, That’s the way we’ll go. For now!

LeftCoastRight on February 6, 2014 at 11:54 AM

We’ve gotta get re-elected before we can screw them over.

———Weasel Boehner the Spray-tanned.

viking01 on February 6, 2014 at 11:44 AM

And there it is everyone. You just summed up roughly 90% of the GOP right there.

Gatsu on February 6, 2014 at 11:54 AM

Boehner says GOP doesn’t trust Obama on immigration

And WHY should they? King Barack the Magnificent has shown how flexible he can be when it comes to ENFORCING the laws. Especially when it’s politically expedient for him to do so.

GarandFan on February 6, 2014 at 11:54 AM

Somehow I don’t trust ol Johnny Boy.

Brock Robamney on February 6, 2014 at 11:55 AM

If Boehner ignores the Hastert Rule and allows a vote on a bill that a majority of his caucus opposes, he is OUT as Speaker on the first ballot.

Conservative Mischief on February 6, 2014 at 11:56 AM

Update: Boehner “likely” to shelve reform?

It’s a trap!!!!

About July, they’ll push this thing through.

Bitter Clinger on February 6, 2014 at 11:56 AM

Time…to…reach…for…the…PEN

kcewa on February 6, 2014 at 11:57 AM

I guess the 2012 election didn’t teach these guys any lesson.

liberalrules on February 6, 2014 at 11:49 AM

Apparently 2008 didn’t teach you any either.

We should be careful though, the most transparent administration in history is reading this so ixnay on the egatativitynay.

Bishop on February 6, 2014 at 11:57 AM

Aaron Blake ‏@AaronBlakeWP 15m

Boehner: “Mother Theresa is a saint now, but if we wanted to attach that to the debt ceiling, we probably couldn’t get 218 votes.”

canopfor on February 6, 2014 at 11:57 AM

The Boehner and Ryan hate on here is not helpful to the cause of economic freedom.

brentaz on February 6, 2014 at 11:57 AM

Aaron Blake ‏@AaronBlakeWP 17m

Boehner says GOP needs to be able to “trust (Obama) to enforce the law the way it was written” — unlike Obamacare.

canopfor on February 6, 2014 at 11:58 AM

Boehner likely to get shelved.

platypus on February 6, 2014 at 11:49 AM

It is increasingly unlikely that Boehner will be the Speaker in the next Congress – he’ll probably retire and cash in on K Street.

That said, perhaps rather than fall into the same old trap of a megabill that is supposed to fix all things, but actually does not, perhaps the real conservatives in the new GOP leadership will start to examine immigration reform on a more measured, step-by-step approach.

If Boehner’s headed off into the sunset, he might decide it’s worth bringing this to the floor and passing it with, say, 170 Democratic votes and 50 Republican ones. Then he’ll cross his fingers that conservative anger at ObamaCare will trump conservative anger at him in November, with a retirement announcement to come sometime during the lame-duck session.

AP, if the Speaker follows that path, and it remains a risk / concern, he will learn that he’s making a very bad bet regarding conservative anger. Particularly after the 2012 election.

Athos on February 6, 2014 at 11:59 AM

Both boehner and Cantor have credible primary challengers. Dont know about Ryan. They all deserve to lose.

cat_owner on February 6, 2014 at 11:59 AM

Update: Boehner “likely” to shelve reform?

I wish he’d just altogether holster his Boehner for amnesty.

Tsar of Earth on February 6, 2014 at 11:59 AM

The Boehner and Ryan hate on here is not helpful to the cause of economic freedom.

brentaz on February 6, 2014 at 11:57 AM

Oh really?

What have either of them done for economic freedom?

Bitter Clinger on February 6, 2014 at 11:59 AM

Well gee, that’s swell. But nothing’s changed. They still support Obamnesty. They still won’t get my vote.

Left_is_Wrong on February 6, 2014 at 12:00 PM

Boehner cannot be trusted, no flip-flopper can!!!

counterfeit on February 6, 2014 at 12:00 PM

I guess the 2012 election didn’t teach these guys any lesson.

liberalrules on February 6, 2014 at 11:49 AM

Where is the Democrat plan on immigration?

oldroy on February 6, 2014 at 12:00 PM

The other possibility is that Boehner’s eyeing retirement and wants to get reform done either to burnish his legacy

Or to land a plum, high paying job with the Chamber of Commerce.

rbj on February 6, 2014 at 12:00 PM

So JB, is NOT going to push Amnesty? Do I have that right?

Biggermike on February 6, 2014 at 12:01 PM

The Boehner and Ryan hate on here is not helpful to the cause of economic freedom.
brentaz on February 6, 2014 at 11:57 AM

You are so right. Both work tirelessly to end obama and his destructive policies.

PrettyMooch on February 6, 2014 at 12:01 PM

“The Year of Action”…

Next year…

Electrongod on February 6, 2014 at 12:01 PM

The Boehner and Ryan hate on here is not helpful to the cause of economic freedom.

brentaz on February 6, 2014 at 11:57 AM

We mustn’t criticize the GOP “leadership” — they’re the best we can do, America!

Jeddite on February 6, 2014 at 12:01 PM

1) Increase border security and streamline the immigration process

2) E-verify and streamline the immigration process

3) After step 2 is complete, we provide talk about a process for illegal immigrants to be normalized

brentaz on February 6, 2014 at 11:53 AM

I could go for that as modified. But you won’t get many here to agree.

kcewa on February 6, 2014 at 12:02 PM

Where is the Democrat plan on immigration?

oldroy on February 6, 2014 at 12:00 PM

The Democrat plan on immigration is open borders. They just keep that on the down-low.

Left_is_Wrong on February 6, 2014 at 12:02 PM

I guess the 2012 election didn’t teach these guys any lesson.

liberalrules on February 6, 2014 at 11:49 AM

The lesson they should’ve learned is don’t p-ss off(or at the very least ignore) your own base. The unfortunate lesson they seem to have taken is to pander to Latinos in a desperate attempt to win their votes. And they already should’ve learned the futility of that experiment after 2006-07. McCain who spearheaded the amnesty push in the Senate was trounced in the 2008 Presidential election, in no small part because his own base didn’t trust him AND because Latinos voted overwhemingly for Obama.

Doughboy on February 6, 2014 at 12:02 PM

Everyone should get their Congressmen on record on immigration reform during the next election cycle. Anyone who is not firm on their positions are not to be trusted with your vote.

To me this has been the biggest issue with the immigration push. Most GOP house members are entertaining ideas that vastly differ from what they campaigned on.

It is our job as voters to challenge them before we vote for them.

airupthere on February 6, 2014 at 12:03 PM

The only “reform” that is needed is to enforce the laws already on the books. I’m getting really tired of holding my nose when I go into the voting booth :-(

loveyouall on February 6, 2014 at 12:04 PM

Every political ad I see in the Dallas-Fort Worth market are from folks calling themselves conservative, promising stinger border enforcement…..

I will look at all of their records and hold them to that promise.

redguy on February 6, 2014 at 12:05 PM

This is why you primary. Kabuki theater never ends. Don’t relent, not on this PR stunt, Crybaby speaker must be replaced.

ProudToBeATruCon on February 6, 2014 at 12:06 PM

I am becoming as distrustful of Republicans as I have been of Democrats. Time for them all to go.

Sawdust1 on February 6, 2014 at 12:06 PM

Sounds like this is done until Obama proves somehow that he can be trusted, whatever that might mean.

If Boehner and the GOP were smart (yeah, yeah, I know, just pretend along with me for a minute), they would hammer this point again and again and again. They would talk about a grand immigration plan with lots of Latino goodies like DREAM, and then say, “But, you know, none of this is possible right now, because this regime is totally lawless”, then immediately segue to the IRS, the NSA and Obamacare. They would do that in response to every issue: “We’d love to take action on that, and here are some high-minded principles that poll-test well but are utterly divorced from legislative reality, but we can’t enact this law because this regime is totally lawless.” “Lawless regime” would be to 2014 what “culture of corruption” was to 2006. No matter what the question, the answer would always be “lawless regime”.

At least, that’s what would happen in the mirror universe where Spock has a beard and Boehner has a brain. Sigh.

Fabozz on February 6, 2014 at 12:07 PM

The amnesty zombie will reanimate in the lame-duck session. Squishy Republicans have a history of caving after elections. Even Boehner isn’t dumb enough to stab conservatives in the back before the midterms, is he?

midgeorgian on February 6, 2014 at 12:07 PM

The Hill reports today that Cantor is going to propose a Repeal & Replace Obamacare plan which includes a replacement to Obamacare. The article also states that Boehner is so busy this year working on immigration reform.

This tells me that they want Obamacare to run on again in the midterms and as soon as they win, they will scrap their repeal and replace plan and pass immigration reform. Obamacare is a winning issue to run on, however, based on their refusal to defund it, I have no confidence they will ever repeal it, other than their stupid vote that they do every 6 months or so. They will say that they need the Senate majority to do it, but it was the Republican Senators who were the most against defunding Obamacare and demonizing Ted Cruz.

lea on February 6, 2014 at 12:08 PM

There’s no way either party would vote for an amnesty bill before November. Most of them would be primaried and replaced. Hopefully, Boehner and Reid will be replaced after November. We can only hope for plenty of Tea Party candidates to replace the RINOs.

cajunpatriot on February 6, 2014 at 12:08 PM

In order to trust the One, we should say absolutely NO immigration anything passes until he aggressive enforce all rules currently on the books.

Darksean on February 6, 2014 at 12:08 PM

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canopfor on February 6, 2014 at 12:10 PM

The lesson they should’ve learned is don’t p-ss off(or at the very least ignore) your own base. The unfortunate lesson they seem to have taken is to pander to Latinos in a desperate attempt to win their votes. And they already should’ve learned the futility of that experiment after 2006-07. McCain who spearheaded the amnesty push in the Senate was trounced in the 2008 Presidential election, in no small part because his own base didn’t trust him AND because Latinos voted overwhemingly for Obama.

Doughboy on February 6, 2014 at 12:02 PM

Romney got more votes than McCain and still lost….

liberalrules on February 6, 2014 at 12:10 PM

Primary them all and let God sort them out!

questionmark on February 6, 2014 at 12:10 PM

It baffles me why this Amnesty Issue isn’t something that unites ever American citizen regardless of race, sex, age, politics or creed to come out against. Its the law abiding working class vs Lobbyists, Political elites, Big Business, Big Donors and Big government types. It has something for every political persuasions can rally against.

journeymike on February 6, 2014 at 12:11 PM

Boehner says GOP doesn’t trust Obama on immigration …

That’s true of EVERYTHING, not just illegal alien invasion/amnesty

Hey, here’s a novel approach: why not simply stand against it on principle?

Oh, what am I saying, that would require a spine (and, more importantly, virtuous principles) …

ShainS on February 6, 2014 at 12:12 PM

Fabozz on February 6, 2014 at 12:07 PM

Amnesty in and of itself is an act of a LAWLESS nation. Thus arguing that because the president is so lawless makes amnesty a no go is not intelligent.

astonerii on February 6, 2014 at 12:12 PM

Where is the Democrat plan on immigration?

oldroy on February 6, 2014 at 12:00 PM

Read the Bill passed by the senate.
The onus is now on the House to pass something

liberalrules on February 6, 2014 at 12:12 PM

I guess the 2012 election didn’t teach these guys any lesson.

liberalrules on February 6, 2014 at 11:49 AM

It did.

6-10 million whites stayed home in 2012.

sentinelrules on February 6, 2014 at 12:12 PM

Boehner says GOP doesn’t trust Obama on immigration: “It’s going to be difficult to move any immigration legislation until that changes.”

Just on immigration or could we expand the list of stuff where the GOP doesn’t trust Obama. Nevertheless, immigration is a good start after the pre-emptive executive order concerning DREAMERS after it became clear that legislation wouldn’t pass.

Happy Nomad on February 6, 2014 at 12:13 PM

Gone a long long time. Good to be back. Don’t recognize any names but the sentiments and common sense are still here.

dnaconia is correct. “Comprehensive” always means everyone involved gets their chunk of pig lard for use in the next election.

Boehner has always seemed emotionally unstable and easily played by the dems. I have never understood why oh why the rank and file GOP pushed him to the front.

I agree with the concept that House leadership should come from red states in secure districts to avoid the cowardly behavior of people like him.

Appalacher on February 6, 2014 at 12:14 PM

Read the Bill passed by the senate.
The onus is now on the House to pass something

liberalrules on February 6, 2014 at 12:12 PM

Actually the onus is to pass nothing and enforce everything. The onus on Obamacare is repeal and replace with nothing.

oldroy on February 6, 2014 at 12:15 PM

So we can celebrate that the GOP suicide pact won’t be consummated until next year.

Here’s another quote from Labrador to balance out AP’s selection:

“The problem that we have right now is that Republicans and the American public don’t trust this president to actually enforce the law,” he said. “It’s the lack of trust that is killing us right now.”

How is that going to change in 2015?

Wigglesworth on February 6, 2014 at 12:15 PM

Read the Bill passed by the senate.
The onus is now on the House to pass something

liberalrules on February 6, 2014 at 12:12 PM

Only if you accept the false premise that Congress has to do ANYTHING about illegal aliens. It’s a worthless endeavor so long as the adminstration refuses to secure the border and deport the criminals who are not here at our invitation.

Happy Nomad on February 6, 2014 at 12:15 PM

“I’ve seen some reports in the media that say the majority of [Republicans] were okay with the immigration principles,” he said. “That’s not true. The majority of people didn’t even express their opinion about the principles, they expressed their opinion about the timing of putting these principles forward.”

I presume by “Republicans”, he isn’t talking about the rank and file.

littleguy on February 6, 2014 at 12:17 PM

Read the Bill passed by the senate.
The onus is now on the House to pass something

liberalrules on February 6, 2014 at 12:12 PM

As fast as you can quote some specifics from the Senate Dem plan. No cheating – as you were saying that Republicans always lack specifics.

oldroy on February 6, 2014 at 12:17 PM

The onus is now on the House to pass something

liberalrules on February 6, 2014 at 12:12 PM

No, they can just follow the strategy and model of Harry Reid, and file it in their circular file…just as Reid has done to over 125 passed House bills.

Athos on February 6, 2014 at 12:18 PM

The Hill reports today that Cantor is going to propose a Repeal & Replace Obamacare plan which includes a replacement to Obamacare.

lea on February 6, 2014 at 12:08 PM

If only one or two of those Senate Republicans had been willing to stand up for repeal and replace a few months ago during the budget battles. If only!

Happy Nomad on February 6, 2014 at 12:18 PM

We don’t need immigration reform. We are a sovereign nation and need to enforce our existing immigration laws and defend and secure our borders. The US is not a flophouse for parasites from Mexico and central America. Any republican that mentions ‘reform’ as an issue is working to help install a permanent ruling class of dem-socialists.

The Dewey plan is simple. The US mines the Mexican border and patrols it daily with Apache helicopters with shoot to kill orders. ICE jails and deports any foreign national that does not have papers to remain in this country – the same as all other countries are doing now.

Remove their incentives to stay and enforce border security with our military. Playtime is over.

DeweyWins on February 6, 2014 at 12:19 PM

The fear that most Republicans have is that if undocumented immigrants are legalized and are given citizenship, they will vote for democrats.

Why do you assume they will vote for democrats?
Can’t they think for themselves?

I know a few Hispanic republicans myself.

let’s legalize them, bring them out of the shadows and let them make their own political decisions instead of ASSUMING which party they will vote for.

liberalrules on February 6, 2014 at 12:19 PM

Romney got more votes than McCain and still lost….

liberalrules on February 6, 2014 at 12:10 PM

Romney got about 1 million more votes, but when you adjust for population growth he got the same percentage of the electorate. Considering Obama had a horrible record and was no longer Mr. Hope&Change that is a dismal performance by Romney.

Wigglesworth on February 6, 2014 at 12:20 PM

let’s legalize them, bring them out of the shadows and let them make their own political decisions instead of ASSUMING which party they will vote for.

liberalrules on February 6, 2014 at 12:19 PM

Why do they have to be legalized or given a path / amnesty?

There are legal ways to emigrate to this country. They chose not to follow those. What entitles them to bypass the process or law?

Athos on February 6, 2014 at 12:22 PM

Why do you assume they will vote for democrats?
Can’t they think for themselves?

liberalrules on February 6, 2014 at 12:19 PM

Experience from the 1986 Amnesty showed that they will vote for Democrats.

These illegals are poor and love government benefits. Of course they will vote Dem.

sentinelrules on February 6, 2014 at 12:22 PM

The fear that most Republicans have is that if undocumented immigrants are legalized and are given citizenship, they will vote for democrats.

If they’re undocumented wouldn’t the correct phrase be to document them?

They’re illegal immigrants.

Bishop on February 6, 2014 at 12:25 PM

1) Increase border security and streamline the immigration process AND PUT AN END TO ALL REWARDS, BENEFITS, JOBS, ETC. FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS

2) After step 1 is complete, we provide a process for illegal immigrants to be normalized WE WATCH THEM LEAVE ON THEIR OWN.

brentaz on February 6, 2014 at 11:53 AM

Watch and listen to this illegal alien explain why he is leaving:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxe1WO27B_I

And here is what Americans want:


http://www.jmisys.com/immigrationmarches/zogby5.html

fred5678 on February 6, 2014 at 12:26 PM

Believe nothing they say. Distrust everything they do. Vote them out at first opportunity. Work for their obliteration as a party.

rrpjr on February 6, 2014 at 12:26 PM

let’s legalize them, bring them out of the shadows and let them make their own political decisions instead of ASSUMING which party they will vote for.

liberalrules on February 6, 2014 at 12:19 PM

Who put them in the shadows?

How about some of those specifics you were talking about?

If our current laws are not enforced, why will new laws be enforced?

Why are you talking about giving illegals that vote? Did you slip up y deje al gato del bolso?

oldroy on February 6, 2014 at 12:27 PM

Let’s just start jailing the people who employ illegals and everything else will fall into place. No legislation necessary. E-Verify

Capt Blasto on February 6, 2014 at 12:29 PM

We already have a path to citizenship. We already have a border. We already have a mechanism to verify employment status. We already have the most generous immigration system in the world. Try getting Austrailian citizenship if you are in the country illegally. Or try getting Mexican citizenship if you are in the country illegally.

oldroy on February 6, 2014 at 12:29 PM

White House immigration reform proposals
1m
Press Secretary Jay Carney says White House remains optimistic about prospect of comprehensive immigration reform in 2014 – @reidpstein

canopfor on February 6, 2014 at 12:30 PM

The Boehner and Ryan hate on here is not helpful to the cause of economic freedom.

brentaz on February 6, 2014 at 11:57 AM

You’re not off to a good start.

And the newbies are mostly mediocre. Time for us dinosaurs to go dark for a week or so.

platypus on February 6, 2014 at 12:33 PM

Romney got about 1 million more votes, but when you adjust for population growth he got the same percentage of the electorate. Considering Obama had a horrible record and was no longer Mr. Hope&Change that is a dismal performance by Romney.

Wigglesworth on February 6, 2014 at 12:20 PM

Demographics are not on the republican party’s side.

The republican party has only won only 1 out of the last 6 popular votes.

This is a terrible trend if you are to ask me and the party should be looking at fixing this record and not making matters worse for itself.

liberalrules on February 6, 2014 at 12:37 PM

Did you slip up y deje al gato del bolso?

oldroy on February 6, 2014 at 12:27 PM

*snort*

That’s some funny Shiite right there.

bigmacdaddy on February 6, 2014 at 12:38 PM

let’s legalize them, bring them out of the shadows

liberalrules on February 6, 2014 at 12:19 PM

You mean the “shadows” of criminal conduct?

In any case — I agree. Let’s bring them out of the shadows and deport them. Then they can re-enter legally. Like my friend from Brazil who followed the law.

rrpjr on February 6, 2014 at 12:40 PM

Romney got more votes than McCain and still lost….

liberalrules on February 6, 2014 at 12:10 PM

That’s because Romney won the independent vote by 5 points. Any other election and the Republicans would’ve won the election in a landslide. But when 4 million of your own voters stay home, you get your ass handed to you.

Doughboy on February 6, 2014 at 12:41 PM

In the hours before Boehner made his surprise announcement, lawmakers and aides had told Breitbart News that early discussions had begun about whether to force a special leadership election in the event Boehner moved forward with immigration legislation.

“It’s going to require blood if this happens,” one GOP member said.

Who is this unnamed GOP member? I’d like to send him a few bux.

Lost in Jersey on February 6, 2014 at 12:41 PM

They need to start fearing us more than Harry Reid. I’m sure the same NSA that knows every detail of the life of Chief Justice John Roberts looms large for many in Congress.

GreenEnergy on February 6, 2014 at 12:42 PM

Romney got more votes than McCain and still lost….

liberalrules on February 6, 2014 at 12:10 PM

You should be a strategist for the Republican party. Oh, you probably are the strategist.

How about some of those specifics? How is the Dem plan going to “bring ‘em out of the shadows” without giving them the “legal” vote.

oldroy on February 6, 2014 at 12:44 PM

“It’s going to require blood if this happens,” one GOP member said.

So who found their balls?

redguy on February 6, 2014 at 12:45 PM

So who found their balls?

redguy on February 6, 2014 at 12:45 PM

It was probably an accident.

oldroy on February 6, 2014 at 12:46 PM

Romney got more votes than McCain and still lost….

liberalrules on February 6, 2014 at 12:10 PM

Yeah, now Romney is giving interviews and saying what he should have started saying in 2012!!!!
These moderates never get it. You have to stand on your principles or you stand for nothing.
Obama stood on his communist values and the ghosts of Stalin and Marx are rising again.

redguy on February 6, 2014 at 12:46 PM

Press Secretary Jay Carney says White House remains optimistic about prospect of comprehensive immigration reform in 2014

canopfor on February 6, 2014 at 12:30 PM

Well, what else would he say? The White House is also optimistic that Team USA will do well at Sochi, the Obamacare glitches have been resolved, and the Dems will take control of both houses of Congress in January 2015.

The reality is that Obama isn’t pushing for an amnesty bill. He’s done none of the backroom strong arming that you would expect if this were a priority item. The thinking appears to be that so long as the Dems can claim they are fighting the GOP over the illegals then they have at least one populist arrow in their quiver.

And BTW, amnesty advocates were told that they were next in the hopper once Obamacare got passed. They were told he’d deliver in January 2010- you can see how that worked out.

Happy Nomad on February 6, 2014 at 12:47 PM

Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t there a poll that said only 4% thought immigration reform was top priority? Yet the GOP wants to tackle the issue in which they will lose no matter what outcome? Wake me when the leadership catches a case of intelligence

Xanatos90 on February 6, 2014 at 12:47 PM

After Boehner tables it, then hold the special election and dump his ass anyway. POS.

BKeyser on February 6, 2014 at 12:47 PM

I guess the 2012 election didn’t teach these guys any lesson.

liberalrules on February 6, 2014 at 11:49 AM

Nothing out side the beltway teaches these guys anything.

UnstChem on February 6, 2014 at 12:48 PM

Press Secretary Jay Carney says White House remains optimistic about prospect of comprehensive immigration reform in 2014

canopfor on February 6, 2014 at 12:30 PM

This is why the conservatives need to start putting heads on pikes.

redguy on February 6, 2014 at 12:48 PM

After Boehner tables it, then hold the special election and dump his ass anyway. POS.

BKeyser on February 6, 2014 at 12:47 PM

Yeah, that will give him more time to smoke and play golf.

redguy on February 6, 2014 at 12:49 PM

–It seems the stalemate will continue. Wouldn’t it be nice if Congress was sane? How about a simple guest worker program? Make current illegals guest workers, and allow them to continue to work. Put requirements for fines and penalties if they want to stay beyond a certain date. No citizenship unless they return home and apply.

–No more birthright citizenship for children of illegals. No more anchor babies. Provide a path to citizenship for children who were brought here at young ages and have no other home.

–Improve and increase the numbers allowed to seek citizenship. Concentrate on skilled and educated.

–Find and deport those who overstay their visas.

–Secure the border. Use Mexico’s laws as model for the penalty of entering illegally.
—- It’s not that hard folks.

ag ore on February 6, 2014 at 12:51 PM

Nothing out side the beltway teaches these guys anything.

UnstChem on February 6, 2014 at 12:48 PM

Nothing short of a 2X4 to head will get through to these clowns.

StorminN50 on February 6, 2014 at 12:52 PM

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