Quotes of the day

posted at 10:41 pm on February 5, 2014 by Erika Johnsen

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– The CBO is not an all-powerful seer that gazed into its crystal ball this morning and foresaw an army of unemployed rising from the barren wastes of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. It is full of very smart people who are phenomenally dedicated to their appointed tasks. But those people frequently work with very incomplete information, and this is one of those cases. We’ve never done this before, and 2 million may be an overestimate, it may be an underestimate or it may be just right. We may never even know which of those three was the case; any disemployment effect is going to be hard to pick out of the statistical noise. …

– Determining whether this is good or bad is an exercise that must be left for the reader. Social conservatives might like the idea of Obamacare effectively subsidizing stay-at-home moms in low- to middle-income families. (As it does.) Or they might object to subsidizing early retirement with taxpayer dollars. (As it does.) Liberals might have the opposite reaction: Worry that you’re subsidizing women to leave the workforce when they may have a hard time getting back in; celebrate the subsidy that allows folks to retire and start enjoying their golden years while they’re still healthy.

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The CBO projects that the act will reduce the supply of labor, not the availability of jobs. There’s a big difference. In fact, it suggests that aggregate demand for labor (that is, the number of jobs) will increase, not decrease; but that many workers or would-be workers will be prompted by the ACA to leave the labor force, many of them voluntarily.

As economist Dean Baker points out, this is, in fact, a beneficial effect of the law, and a sign that it will achieve an important goal. It helps “older workers with serious health conditions who are working now because this is the only way to get health insurance. And (one for the family-values crowd) many young mothers who return to work earlier than they would like because they need health insurance. This is a huge plus.”

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More important, CBO says, most of the people working fewer hours will be choosing to do so. And that’s a very different story from the one Obamacare critics are telling. Some of the people cutting back hours will be working parents who decide they can afford to put in a little less time with their co-workers and a little more time with their kids. Some will be early sixty-somethings who will retire before they reach 65, rather than clinging to low-paying jobs just to get health benefits. “This is what we want in a fair society,” says Jonathan Gruber, the MIT economist and Obamacare architect. “We don’t want to enslave the old and sick to their jobs out of some sense of meanness. If they are dying to quit/retire, then let’s them. That’s a good thing, not a bad thing.”

Of course, some able-bodied Americans will cut back on hours for reasons that conservatives, in particular, might not like. To put it crudely, they’ll work fewer hours simply because they don’t feel like working so hard. But whether or not that’s so problematic, it’s also the inevitable by-product of any program that makes assistance conditional on income. The Earned Income Tax Credit works that way. So do food stamps and Medicaid.

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But there also lots of people who emphatically do not benefit from being given an incentive to either detach from the workforce or (if they’re already unemployed or underemployed) remain detached rather than taking a lower-paying job. And given the current economic landscape, especially — in which persistently high unemployment coexists with a growing population of workers too discouraged to even look for work — the size and scope of a work-discouraging effect matters a great deal: The bigger the effect, the more likely that the people dropping out aren’t just, say, parents cutting hours to spend more time at home while the other spouse works full time, but people we should want to be attached to the workforce, for their own long-term good and the good of the economy as well.

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The overall impact on the community will be muted, moreover, because most of that effect will be seen at the lowest levels of the wage-earning scale. The effect will be “small or negligible for most categories of workers,” the CBO says, because there will be almost no impact on workers who get their insurance from their employers or who earn more than 400% of the federal poverty line (for a family of three, that’s $78,120), the point at which eligibility for federal premium disappears.

As for labor demand, the CBO estimates that on balance, the ACA will increase aggregate demand for goods and services, in part by relieving lower-income people of the burden of health insurance or healthcare expenses, so they can increase their spending on other things. In turn, that will “boost demand for labor,” especially in the near term, while the economy remains slack.

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Given the rocky start, 14 million additional Americans covered by insurance through the exchanges and Medicaid is sound progress; and the budget office projects a sharp increase in enrollment in 2015 and 2016 and a bigger net reduction in the number of uninsured. Its projections for subsequent years remain essentially unchanged. In 2017, it predicts 12 million more in Medicaid and 24 million more in private coverage through the exchanges.

The new law will free people, young and old, to pursue careers or retirement without having to worry about health coverage. Workers can seek positions they are most qualified for and will no longer need to feel locked into a job they don’t like because they need insurance for themselves or their families. It is hard to view this as any kind of disaster.

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CBO’s job-loss prediction is all the more remarkable because it doesn’t include the impact of ObamaCare’s employer mandate, which requires businesses with 50 or more full-time employees to offer insurance or pay a $2,000 penalty for each worker beyond 30 employees. CBO more or less punts on the issue because the White House delayed the mandate for a year and the changes would be hard to model. But this means CBO is probably still underestimating job losses because common sense says that labor mandates raise hiring costs and induce businesses to hire less, or pay lower wages, or slash hours, or all three.

Too bad this reality isn’t permeating the liberal force field of thinking only positive thoughts. “Claims that the Affordable Care Act hurts jobs are simply belied by the facts in the CBO report,” the White House declared Tuesday. By “facts,” the White House seems to mean that the report is positive because “individuals will be empowered to make choices about their own lives and livelihoods” and “have the opportunity to pursue their dreams.” There you have it: the new American dream of not working.

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At the very same time as the White House and its friends were taking credit for having emancipated the American people from the indignities of having to keep down a career, others seemed to be insisting that the labor market and the government are wholly discrete entities. This isn’t about Obamacare “killing” jobs, the Washington Post’s Glenn Kessler wrote, “it’s about workers — and the choices they make.” “Look at it this way,” he explained. “If someone says they decided to leave their job for personal reasons, most people would not say they ‘lost’ their jobs. They simply decided not to work.” To an extent, this distinction is a fair one, although there is a great deal of truth in The Economist’s observation that “a job is an economic transaction between a seller and a buyer of labour, and can be ‘destroyed’ if either seller or buyer walks away.”

Either way, it fails to address the material question, which is, “Why, in this case, will those people ‘decide not to work’?” The answer, of course, is that the intrusive federal action that one party supports and the other opposes has changed the calculation for them. It really is this simple: Before Obamacare, there was a status quo. With Obamacare, the government changed that status quo. As a result of that change, people are making different decisions. One can claim that the change will help to diminish youth unemployment or allow the elderly to enjoy more leisure time or do wonders for the gardening industry. But one can’t pretend that the state doesn’t have full culpability for those different decisions being made. That is a step too far.

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For years, the White House has trotted out the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office to show that Obamacare would cut health-care costs and reduce deficits:

“CBO Confirms Families Will Save Money Under Health Reform.”

“CBO Update Shows Lower Costs for the New Health Care Law.”

“CBO Confirms: The Health Care Law Reduces the Deficit.”

Live by the sword, die by the sword, the Bible tells us. In Washington, it’s slightly different: Live by the CBO, die by the CBO.

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Last QOTD before the newbies arrive!

KCB on February 5, 2014 at 10:41 PM

Last QOTD before the “deluge”

Place your bets on how many “You’re going off topic!” comments we get on tomorrow’s QOTD.

PolAgnostic on February 5, 2014 at 10:41 PM

Ratso!

OmahaConservative on February 5, 2014 at 10:41 PM

Oh…Bishop!

KCB on February 5, 2014 at 10:42 PM

Place your bets on how many “You’re going off topic!” comments we get on tomorrow’s QOTD.

PolAgnostic on February 5, 2014 at 10:41 PM

Like we’re gonna take that crap!

KCB on February 5, 2014 at 10:43 PM

The CBO is an honest outfit. They report with the input they’re given.

Lanceman on February 5, 2014 at 10:43 PM

SASHA!

annoyinglittletwerp on February 5, 2014 at 10:44 PM

Not looking fw to the flood of noobs…

OmahaConservative on February 5, 2014 at 10:44 PM

Last QOTD before the newbies arrive!

KCB on February 5, 2014 at 10:41 PM


You always were good competition, Ken.

I can see I’m going to have to put the “Temporal Distortion” subroutine on automatic for my first QOTD post.

“If you can’t make it work the normal way … CHEAT.”

PolAgnostic on February 5, 2014 at 10:44 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on February 5, 2014 at 10:44 PM

How are you feeling?

OmahaConservative on February 5, 2014 at 10:45 PM

Nobody needs to work anymore. Just get more from Obama’s stash.

VorDaj on February 5, 2014 at 10:46 PM

The new law will free people, young and old, to pursue careers or retirement without having to worry about health coverage. Workers can seek positions they are most qualified for and will no longer need to feel locked into a job they don’t like because they need insurance for themselves or their families. It is hard to view this as any kind of disaster.

I always took doing things that you may not wish to do in order to better your family/self as “responsibility”.

In the Land of Skittle Crapping Unicorns That Fertilize The Money Tree Out Back, it seems the Almighty Government will provide.

So, if all you are “qualified” for is putting dog poop onto a statue of the Virgin Mary, then don’t let stuff like feeding your family get in your way. That’s what the Almighty Government is for!

kim roy on February 5, 2014 at 10:47 PM

Last QOTD before the newbies arrive!

KCB on February 5, 2014 at 10:41 PM

Forgot about that.

Does everybody have their sockpuppet list ready?

cozmo on February 5, 2014 at 10:48 PM

Like we’re gonna take that crap!

KCB on February 5, 2014 at 10:43 PM

.
Even more spooky … we both picked the same target to take our shot at in the “dark”.

HA newbies are like mules … they aren’t going to learn the rules if you don’t WHACK! them upside the head for the first few months.

PolAgnostic on February 5, 2014 at 10:48 PM

Obama’s opponents are just clinging to their old fashion morality and work ethic and outdated independence and outmoded sense of dignity. Don’t worry about that kind of old stuff anymore. Just make Barack Obama President for Life and you won’t need any of that. Everything will be free! Everything you want, yes everything, he will provide it. And remember, I said free, all free! Thank Obama all mighty, everything free at last! But remember you must submit to Barack Obama or the only thing free will be one of those drones flying over your house. And they know where you live and when you are home. The NSA told them.

Cheshire Cat on February 5, 2014 at 10:48 PM

OmahaConservative on February 5, 2014 at 10:45 PM

What I was hoping that it wasn’t-it was.
I’ve got shingles-again.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 5, 2014 at 10:48 PM

Notice Ericka did the KOTD?

Allah is sleeping. Getting ready for his big day tomorrow.

Lanceman on February 5, 2014 at 10:48 PM

I’ve got shingles-again.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 5, 2014 at 10:48 PM

You should have got tile. It’s a little more expensive but well worth it.

Cheshire Cat on February 5, 2014 at 10:51 PM

If you aren’t “job locked” how do you earn the gold watch after 30 years?

wolly4321 on February 5, 2014 at 10:51 PM

I’ve got shingles-again.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 5, 2014 at 10:48 PM

Oh crap, sorry to hear that…

OmahaConservative on February 5, 2014 at 10:52 PM

Oh crap, sorry to hear that…

OmahaConservative on February 5, 2014 at 10:52 PM

Nevermind that!

How is Ratso?

Lanceman on February 5, 2014 at 10:52 PM

Nice job, Erika.

jaime on February 5, 2014 at 10:52 PM

Cheshire Cat on February 5, 2014 at 10:51 PM

LoL!

annoyinglittletwerp on February 5, 2014 at 10:52 PM

Notice Ericka did the KOTD?

Allah is sleeping. Getting ready for his big day tomorrow.

Lanceman on February 5, 2014 at 10:48 PM


No … I did not

Just like my goody-two-shoes twin to slack off and cost me my wrongful Bishop!

PolAgnostic on February 5, 2014 at 10:52 PM

Lanceman on February 5, 2014 at 10:48 PM

Nice job today. ; ) Say goodbye to your new found friend Panther. Sure he’ll be back in the a.m. Back for you. Lolz!

Oh. Goodbye Panther!

Bmore on February 5, 2014 at 10:52 PM

it’s also the inevitable by-product of any program that makes assistance conditional on income. The Earned Income Tax Credit works that way. So do food stamps and Medicaid.

So let’s make more of those programs.

The new America, you don’t have the right to just pursue happiness but to pursue it while making your neighbor pay your bills.

Bishop on February 5, 2014 at 10:53 PM

Oh. Goodbye Panther!

Bmore on February 5, 2014 at 10:52 PM

I thought I may get it along with him. So I got the hell otta there.

Lanceman on February 5, 2014 at 10:54 PM

Notice Ericka did the KOTD?

Allah is sleeping. Getting ready for his big day tomorrow.

Lanceman on February 5, 2014 at 10:48 PM

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Lance … what the heck is a “KOTD”?

It’s not like K and Q are near each other on the keyboard.

PolAgnostic on February 5, 2014 at 10:54 PM

Shingles suck. Had them ten years ago. Frigging hurts.

Hope it doesn’t hurt too had, sweetie.

Been there. Ouch.

wolly4321 on February 5, 2014 at 10:55 PM

It’s not just about a ‘disincentive to work’. It’s about former full time workers suddenly relegated to part time work who still have full time debt to service.

2.3 million full time jobs will be lost or downgraded to part time status. These 2.3 million employees who worked 40 hours per week will find themselves cut down to about 29.5 hours per week.

However, their debt level will not be similarly cut. Their living expenses will not be similarly cut.

So these former full time employees will need to either declare bankruptcy, cut at lest a quarter of their monthly bills and living expenses, or find at least 10.5 hours of employment, a second part time job, at the same hourly pay rate they were receiving for working that full time job at 40 hours per week, five days per week.

Most employers don’t off jobs for a scant 10.5 hours per week. The reason relating to the expense and effort to train new employees, increasing risk of employee theft, etc. most employers tend to want to get as many hours from a good employee as they can to mitigate the costs and risk associated with new hires and training.

So if the former full time employee takes a new part time job to make up for the 10.5 hours lost, they may have to take another job at 29.5 hours per week. This brings the total hours to 59 hours per week, but even if they only take on another 20 hours per week, it’s still 50 hours per week total.

Chances are high that the employee will now have to work weekends, and possibly even holidays, or work double shifts putting in more than 8 hours a day. Less time with family, friends, less leisure time, less time to recuperate from illness. Double the stress of trying to please the employer and get along with the other employees.

thatsafactjack on February 5, 2014 at 10:55 PM

I’ve got shingles-again.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 5, 2014 at 10:48 PM

I’ve got them too, architectural and color matched to the house for a really nice finished look.

Bishop on February 5, 2014 at 10:55 PM

If you aren’t “job locked” how do you earn the gold watch after 30 years?

wolly4321 on February 5, 2014 at 10:51 PM


Three letters
E B T

PolAgnostic on February 5, 2014 at 10:55 PM

Hi Ed. I hate socons. Please let me back in.

Sincerely, Panther.

22044 on February 5, 2014 at 10:55 PM

Lance … what the heck is a “KOTD”?

PolAgnostic on February 5, 2014 at 10:54 PM

Kwote of the Day.

Lanceman on February 5, 2014 at 10:55 PM

Lanceman on February 5, 2014 at 10:54 PM

Yes. Very good timing. Lolz!

Bmore on February 5, 2014 at 10:55 PM

Oh how awful alt! Dang…

Prayer request please for Fallons’ Mom who had a mild stroke…

Thanks in advance… :)

Scrumpy on February 5, 2014 at 10:56 PM

Just think, we get to see all the old trolls who’ve had the hammer back again.

All the socks that are worn and threadbare get retired in favor of new ones.

Tons of fun all around. lol!

thatsafactjack on February 5, 2014 at 10:58 PM

thatsafactjack on February 5, 2014 at 10:55 PM

That is so well said Jackie!! Thanks :)

Scrumpy on February 5, 2014 at 10:58 PM

Sincerely, Panther.

22044 on February 5, 2014 at 10:55 PM

He may already be back. I saw a ‘scrutineer’ testing on the OR thread shortly after Ed banned him. Time will tell.

Lanceman on February 5, 2014 at 10:58 PM

Don’t call me boy.

You can call me Ray. You can call me Jay…

But you aints gots to call be boy.

wolly4321 on February 5, 2014 at 10:59 PM

How is Ratso?

Lanceman on February 5, 2014 at 10:52 PM

HJe’s pissed. I took him out for a smoke in -15 WCI, How’s JR?

OmahaConservative on February 5, 2014 at 10:59 PM

thatsafactjack on February 5, 2014 at 10:58 PM

Tons of fun to be had by all!!

Scrumpy on February 5, 2014 at 10:59 PM

I’m dreadfully sorry, ALT. I wish you a swift and complete recovery.

thatsafactjack on February 5, 2014 at 11:00 PM

HJe’s pissed. I took him out for a smoke in -15 WCI, How’s JR?

OmahaConservative on February 5, 2014 at 10:59 PM

He’s the sweetest little applehead. But he tried to piss in Lucy’s toybox. He got two drops out before I yanked him up and put him in the bedroom.

Lanceman on February 5, 2014 at 11:00 PM

And it’s 73 degrees here right now.

Lanceman on February 5, 2014 at 11:01 PM

I’ve got shingles-again.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 5, 2014 at 10:48 PM

I don’t know anything about it, but I’ve heard that it never goes away, it just goes dormant. Is that right?

jaime on February 5, 2014 at 11:01 PM

If job-lock is a bad thing does that mean congressmen should be term limited?

kcewa on February 5, 2014 at 11:01 PM

cozmo on February 5, 2014 at 10:48 PM

She

SparkPlug on February 5, 2014 at 11:01 PM

Scrumpy on February 5, 2014 at 10:58 PM

Good evening, Spritely One. :) Thanks. I really feel for those who are going to be struggling to make ends meet because of ObamaCare.

thatsafactjack on February 5, 2014 at 11:01 PM

wolly4321 on February 5, 2014 at 10:55 PM

Had ‘em 22 years ago.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 5, 2014 at 11:02 PM

thatsafactjack on February 5, 2014 at 11:01 PM

Yes I got that also, it is going to very hard for so many…

I don’t like this one bit… but feel so powerless to do anything.

Scrumpy on February 5, 2014 at 11:03 PM

Had ‘em 22 years ago.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 5, 2014 at 11:02 PM

Well, hopefully you built up some kinda immunity that will prevent anything serious.

Lanceman on February 5, 2014 at 11:03 PM

Scrumpy on February 5, 2014 at 10:59 PM

lol! When I think of it I hear calliope music playing in the background. ;)

Circus Calliope

thatsafactjack on February 5, 2014 at 11:03 PM

jaime on February 5, 2014 at 11:01 PM

Yep.
Since this is my second time-I’m much more likely to get ‘em a third time.
The first time permanently left me w/ nerve damage in a finger.
The goal this time is not to be left w/ any new damage.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 5, 2014 at 11:04 PM

The claim is that if you had Chicken Pox as a child, you will get Shingles in later adult life… don’t want that…there is a vaccine I believe against Shingles…

Scrumpy on February 5, 2014 at 11:04 PM

Pill that can help to reduce the misery of shingles pain by 30%: New treatment could bring relief to thousands of sufferers after just four weeks

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kcewa on February 5, 2014 at 11:04 PM

Chances are high that the employee will now have to work weekends, and possibly even holidays, or work double shifts putting in more than 8 hours a day. Less time with family, friends, less leisure time, less time to recuperate from illness. Double the stress of trying to please the employer and get along with the other employees.

thatsafactjack on February 5, 2014 at 10:55 PM

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My wife likes to watch the Evening News … even though she despises Scott Pelley.

When this story came on last night with CBS spinning it like a top I summarized it for her.

“Do you know anyone in corporate management who WANTS there to be 2.3 million FEWER jobs in 10 years?”

She grimaced at the TV.

PolAgnostic on February 5, 2014 at 11:05 PM

Well, hopefully you built up some kinda immunity that will prevent anything serious.

Lanceman on February 5, 2014 at 11:03 PM

If you had chicken pox, they can always come back. Over and over…

OmahaConservative on February 5, 2014 at 11:05 PM

As for labor demand, the CBO estimates that on balance, the ACA will increase aggregate demand for goods and services, in part by relieving lower-income people of the burden of health insurance or healthcare expenses, so they can increase their spending on other things. In turn, that will “boost demand for labor,” especially in the near term, while the economy remains slack.

But I thought Medicaid already did that?

This is the broken window economic fallacy rephrased;

We’re giving people more freedom to spend money by eliminating the need for them to pay for medical care- that they already get for free.

0 – 0 = 0, the last time I looked. Net gain in disposable income for the lower end of the economic spectrum- zero.

It also doesn’t answer the question- where does the money to pay for it come from?

There may be some actual, practical arguments in favor of O-Care. This isn’t one of them.

clear ether

eon

eon on February 5, 2014 at 11:05 PM

Lance- how do we know which new names(about 1/2 of them) aren’t AP?

wolly4321 on February 5, 2014 at 11:05 PM

Every Breath You Take

jaime on February 5, 2014 at 11:05 PM

Let the bannings begin.

I’ll taser them on the way out for wood and smooches.

Anyhow is Ratso and Twerp Ok?

SparkPlug on February 5, 2014 at 11:05 PM

The claim is that if you had Chicken Pox as a child, you will CAN get Shingles in later adult life…

Scrumpy on February 5, 2014 at 11:04 PM

I fixed it, Scrumpadoodles.

Lanceman on February 5, 2014 at 11:06 PM

Had ‘em 22 years ago.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 5, 2014 at 11:02 PM

Dangit .. so sorry.
I guess I’d believed old wive’s tales, that first affliction = immunity from then on. Wrong-o.
Bliggh. :-(

pambi on February 5, 2014 at 11:06 PM

The claim is that if you had Chicken Pox as a child, you will get Shingles in later adult life… don’t want that…there is a vaccine I believe against Shingles…

Scrumpy on February 5, 2014 at 11:04 PM

Shingles is re-activation of the Chicken Pox virus that’s been hiding in you since you had it as a kid.

kcewa on February 5, 2014 at 11:06 PM

Lance- how do we know which new names(about 1/2 of them) aren’t AP?

wolly4321 on February 5, 2014 at 11:05 PM

Try pissing them off. If you all notice, nonparisian never speaks to me. Which tells me volumes.

Lanceman on February 5, 2014 at 11:07 PM

I wonder what Panther thinks about this?

NotCoach on February 5, 2014 at 11:07 PM

I wonder what Panther thinks about this?

NotCoach on February 5, 2014 at 11:07 PM

Ask him tomorrow ;D

Lanceman on February 5, 2014 at 11:07 PM

He just gets creepier and creepier looking.

SouthernGent on February 5, 2014 at 11:08 PM

Kwote of the Day.

Lanceman on February 5, 2014 at 10:55 PM


Ahhhh
…. the Common Core Dictionary version.

PolAgnostic on February 5, 2014 at 11:08 PM

I wonder what Panther thinks about this?

NotCoach on February 5, 2014 at 11:07 PM

Heh…

OmahaConservative on February 5, 2014 at 11:08 PM

Scrumpy on February 5, 2014 at 11:04 PM

Not everyone that’s had CP will end up/ shingles.
When I caught them the first time, my immune system was in bad shape due to my need to over-exercise.
Stress and also cause a flare-up.
Walmart has been causing my asthma to flare-up…and now this.
Maybe God is sending me a message.
Hmmm.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 5, 2014 at 11:09 PM

I, Pagliacci – Leoncavallo

thatsafactjack on February 5, 2014 at 11:09 PM

HA newbies are like mules … they aren’t going to learn the rules if you don’t WHACK! them upside the head for the first few months.

PolAgnostic on February 5, 2014 at 10:48 PM

Let the games begin!

KCB on February 5, 2014 at 11:09 PM

You can keep your work ethic…and your doctor…and your identity…or something… – Preezy Choomdaddy

workingclass artist on February 5, 2014 at 11:09 PM

Ask him tomorrow ;D

Lanceman on February 5, 2014 at 11:07 PM

Oh yeah, open registration. Such a loving and thoughtful troll is sure to sockpuppet himself.

NotCoach on February 5, 2014 at 11:09 PM

Hi Merm.

Panther got Ratsoed

SparkPlug on February 5, 2014 at 11:10 PM

He just gets creepier and creepier looking.

SouthernGent on February 5, 2014 at 11:08 PM

Allahpundit or Obama?

jaime on February 5, 2014 at 11:10 PM

don’t know anything about it, but I’ve heard that it never goes away, it just goes dormant. Is that right? jaime on February 5, 2014 at 11:01 PM

It’s chicken pox. It lays dormant in the base of you brain forever.
It hurts like hell.

wolly4321 on February 5, 2014 at 11:10 PM

Pill that can help to reduce the misery of shingles pain by 30%: New treatment could bring relief to thousands of sufferers after just four weeks

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kcewa on February 5, 2014 at 11:04 PM

I take Lyrica.
Considering where it’s concentrated this time-well nerve damage there would not be good.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 5, 2014 at 11:11 PM

2.3 million fewer people-equivalents working means a reduction in GDP and a reduction in tax revenue. I think.

Whatever a people-equivalent is…

kcewa on February 5, 2014 at 11:11 PM

Lanceman on February 5, 2014 at 11:06 PM

Ty!

Scrumpy on February 5, 2014 at 11:12 PM

It’s chicken pox. It lays dormant in the base of you brain forever.
It hurts like hell.

wolly4321 on February 5, 2014 at 11:10 PM

You mean like liberalism?

Lanceman on February 5, 2014 at 11:12 PM

Take On Me

jaime on February 5, 2014 at 11:13 PM

Why Worry – Dire Straits

thatsafactjack on February 5, 2014 at 11:13 PM

Dammit! I’m otta coffee! Gotta go make more.

Lanceman on February 5, 2014 at 11:13 PM

What? There is open registration? I hope no one picks SparkPlug2 or SparkPlugs nipples.

SparkPlug on February 5, 2014 at 11:13 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on February 5, 2014 at 10:48 PM

Sorry to hear that Twerp.

KCB on February 5, 2014 at 11:13 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on February 5, 2014 at 11:09 PM

Maybe alt… hmmmm

Scrumpy on February 5, 2014 at 11:14 PM

SparkPlug on February 5, 2014 at 11:13 PM

Good evening, professor Spark. :)

Worry not, my friend. You’re unique. *Smoooch*:)

thatsafactjack on February 5, 2014 at 11:15 PM

SparkPlug on February 5, 2014 at 11:10 PM

We have a new (perfect) verb .. ratsoed !

Ratso got tatsoed, too !

pambi on February 5, 2014 at 11:16 PM

Ratso’s angry because he thought if he liked his **** he could keep his ****.

viking01 on February 5, 2014 at 11:16 PM

Beautiful Meezer…

OmahaConservative on February 5, 2014 at 11:16 PM

Aw, please! What the hell is that? No don’t tell me!

Lanceman on February 5, 2014 at 11:16 PM

Let the games begin!

KCB on February 5, 2014 at 11:09 PM

…I’ve already cleaned…the shitter!

KOOLAID2 on February 5, 2014 at 11:16 PM

Maybe God is sending me a message.
Hmmm.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 5, 2014 at 11:09 PM

Yes and it’s get the vaccination.

RickB on February 5, 2014 at 11:17 PM

Ratso got tatsoed, too !

pambi on February 5, 2014 at 11:16 PM

Was tempted to pick his scab on the tat today…

OmahaConservative on February 5, 2014 at 11:17 PM

OmahaConservative on February 5, 2014 at 11:16 PM

Wrong.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 5, 2014 at 11:17 PM

Worry that you’re subsidizing women to leave the workforce when they may have a hard time getting back in; celebrate the subsidy that allows folks to retire and start enjoying their golden years while they’re still healthy.

The problem we have with that so-called subsidy is that it comes with big teeth here in California.

If you are over 55 and you decided to take the subsidy, it’s provided via Medi-cal, and that means that if you have a home, California will place a lien upon it, payable when you and your spouse die, unless the inheritor is a child who has been declared fully disabled.

I doubt very many people will have a declared fully disabled child as heir, so, in a nutshell, they are spending their children’s inheritance on their healthcare just as much as if they had paid full price — except, if they’d paid full price, there would not be a lien on their home and their child could inherit the home free of any payment to the government.

unclesmrgol on February 5, 2014 at 11:18 PM

Ban Hammer

kcewa on February 5, 2014 at 11:18 PM

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