White House: When you think about it, 2.5 million fewer people working because of ObamaCare is good news

posted at 3:21 pm on February 4, 2014 by Allahpundit

I’m done, guys. If we’ve reached the stage of welfare-state decadence where it’s a selling point for a new entitlement that it discourages able-bodied people from working, there’s no reason to keep going. We’ve lost, decisively.

As a great man once said, remember me as I am — filled with murderous rage.

In a statement and conference call featuring top administration officials, the White House tried to beat back an emerging narrative that the CBO report supported claims made by health care reform critics. The CBO report says the Affordable Care Act could lead to a reduction of 2 million full-time workers between 2017 and 2024. The CBO says the reduction would not come via fewer available full-time jobs (as critics of the law have alleged) but “almost entirely from a net decline in the amount of labor that workers choose to supply.”…

“To put that in context, I have no doubt that if we eliminated Social Security and eliminated Medicare, there would be many 95-year-olds that would choose to work more hours than they’re working today just so they could survive, feed themselves and have health insurance,” the official said.

The CBO’s projected reduction in full-time workers, then, “shouldn’t be a significant cause for surprise and it reflects the fact that workers have a new set of options and are making the best choices that they can choose to make for themselves given those options,” the official said.

In other words, it’s not that employers will be offering 2.5 million fewer jobs. It’s that ObamaCare, by subsidizing low earners and expanding Medicaid for the very poor, will incentivize 2.5 million people not to work. Or, if you prefer:

Billions upon billions of dollars in economic productivity up in smoke as workers who’ve stuck with their jobs for the health insurance quit and take a subsidies check from Uncle Sam instead. To the White House, which otherwise bleats about “growth” at every opportunity, this is a feature of the law, not a bug. WaPo’s fact-checker even rushed out a piece this afternoon in defense of their position. The law’s not destroying 2.5 million jobs, says Glenn Kessler, it’s merely inviting 2.5 million employees to quit. How much does it matter to growth, though, if the labor force shrinks on the demand side versus the supply side? Will all, or most, of the vacated positions be filled by younger workers or will they evaporate as businesses downsize (or close down)? If giving people more “choice” in whether to be employed or not is now our cardinal social good, we might as well go for a guaranteed minimum income and clear out all the wage slaves. Let’s see how small we can get the labor force before the wheels come off the economy.

Don’t act surprised, either. Nancy told you this was coming. Look on the bright side: If fewer people working is a sign of economic success, the Obama presidency will be remembered as a golden age.


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Say, that is good news.

Lanceman on February 4, 2014 at 3:22 PM

And that great man was Homer Simpson, Allah.

Lanceman on February 4, 2014 at 3:23 PM

Ladies and Gentleman, your 2014 progtard utopia.

Murphy9 on February 4, 2014 at 3:24 PM

Unexpectedly good news!

22044 on February 4, 2014 at 3:24 PM

Obamacare is a total f*cking disaster and the GOP’s response is to concentrate on chasing phantom Mexican voters.

Mark1971 on February 4, 2014 at 3:25 PM

Two and a quarter centuries was a pretty good run. And we are still the only country that put a man on another planetary body.

rbj on February 4, 2014 at 3:27 PM

Truly Orwellian.

WisRich on February 4, 2014 at 3:28 PM

When one hates work more than Obama and Moochelle (if possible) it is nirvana.

viking01 on February 4, 2014 at 3:29 PM

And we are still the only country that put a man on another planetary body.

rbj on February 4, 2014 at 3:27 PM

Chris Christie?

viking01 on February 4, 2014 at 3:29 PM

D’oh

cmsinaz on February 4, 2014 at 3:30 PM

Chris Christie?

viking01 on February 4, 2014 at 3:29 PM

He said put a man on a planetary body, not tuned him into one!

Lanceman on February 4, 2014 at 3:31 PM

The law’s not destroying 2.5 million jobs, says Glenn Kessler, it’s merely inviting 2.5 million employees to quit

Oh man oh man. “Don’t like that DeathCare is taking 90% of your pay, then go ahead and quit you puke.”

Because we all have independent streams of income out here; money trees, diamond-shiiting unicorns, monkeys flying from our butts holding gold ingots while singing ‘Freebird’.

They think we’re stupid.

Bishop on February 4, 2014 at 3:32 PM

Yup, just like I wrote in another thread, I’m living in a friggin’ insane asylum. I don’t know how much more of this I can take without going insane myself. At least then I’ll be happy cause I’ll be “home!”

NavyMustang on February 4, 2014 at 3:33 PM

The law’s not destroying 2.5 million jobs, says Glenn Kessler, it’s merely inviting 2.5 million employees to quit.

Wow. I pride myself on my snark and….I got nothing. If we’re at the point where politicians and bureaucrats(along with their sycophants in the press) are actually defending the arbitrary elimination of millions of jobs as some sort of lifestyle choice we should celebrate, then we’ve reached the kind of depth that even some Communist regimes would’ve been uncomfortable with.

Doughboy on February 4, 2014 at 3:33 PM

But it is he who Laffers last…

Shy Guy on February 4, 2014 at 3:33 PM

I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.

forest on February 4, 2014 at 3:33 PM

He said put a man on a planetary body, not turned him into one!

Lanceman on February 4, 2014 at 3:31 PM

Could be both….

viking01 on February 4, 2014 at 3:34 PM

These people are anti-humanity, anti-progress, anti-growth, anti-prosperity, anti-life. They’re existential death dealers. When will Americans understand? I’m so deeply disgusted with this country. We haven’t a quarter of the heart and soul and self-respect of Ukrainians. Fu*k us all.

rrpjr on February 4, 2014 at 3:34 PM

Isn’t this the same old “logic” that was behind Social Security in the first place? These people have nothing. Just Ponzi schemes.

WhatSlushfund on February 4, 2014 at 3:35 PM

This is great! It’s like Nancy Pelosi said, Obamacare allows us more freedom and the chance to pursue happiness, just like the Founders envisioned! Now we can all quit work and join the circus!

TarheelBen on February 4, 2014 at 3:36 PM

I quit.

docflash on February 4, 2014 at 3:36 PM

I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.

forest on February 4, 2014 at 3:33 PM

I picked the right week to start.

Bitter Clinger on February 4, 2014 at 3:37 PM

Isn’t this the same old “logic” that was behind Social Security in the first place? These people have nothing. Just Ponzi schemes.

WhatSlushfund on February 4, 2014 at 3:35 PM

They don’t need a system that works. Just a system that works for them.

Bitter Clinger on February 4, 2014 at 3:38 PM

But of course

All hail dear leader!

LSM

cmsinaz on February 4, 2014 at 3:38 PM

Steven Dennis
@StevenTDennis

The message from this WH presser: ACA gives workers more choices, including the option to work less.
2:25 PM – 4 Feb 2014

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That might have been the message from the “WH presser”, but the TRUTH we’ve all seen is that working less is mandatory, thanks to the ACA.

listens2glenn on February 4, 2014 at 3:38 PM

I’m done, guys. If we’ve reached the stage of welfare-state decadence where it’s a selling point for a new entitlement that it discourages able-bodied people from working, there’s no reason to keep going. We’ve lost, decisively.

You are more than welcome to join the National Divorce campaign.

nobar on February 4, 2014 at 3:38 PM

Good thing we have scumbags like Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell working hard to make sure Obama gets his wish.

I’m sure in 15-20 years we can achieve their goal of 80% unemployment.

tetriskid on February 4, 2014 at 3:39 PM

This isn’t the first time, remember “Funemployment”?

Not only jobs but lives are being destroyed out here by these schemes.

Bishop on February 4, 2014 at 3:39 PM

e jobs (as critics of the law have alleged) but “almost entirely from a net decline in the amount of labor that workers choose to supply.”…

Is this. Or is this not an incredibly tight job market right now? Isn’t it in the interest of employers, who use tight labor markets to lower wages and cut employee benefits to claim that this is a bad thing? They’ll do *anything* to keep wages stagnant, including pretending to forget the relationship between job demand and wages.

libfreeordie on February 4, 2014 at 3:39 PM

That might have been the message from the “WH presser”, but the TRUTH we’ve all seen is that working less is mandatory, thanks to the ACA.

listens2glenn on February 4, 2014 at 3:38 PM

I guess the choice is “find a 2nd job” or “work less”.

22044 on February 4, 2014 at 3:39 PM

As a great man once said, remember me as I am — filled with murderous rage.

Homer Simpson.

sentinelrules on February 4, 2014 at 3:40 PM

This also means good news for the unemployment rate.

I mean, if they “choose” not to work, how can they be unemployed!

Let’s celebrate 3% Unemployment with 60% of the country not working.

For progressives, thats a win-win.

WisRich on February 4, 2014 at 3:42 PM

I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.

forest on February 4, 2014 at 3:33 PM

I picked the right week to start.

Bitter Clinger on February 4, 2014 at 3:37 PM

Hey! Don’t Bogart the glue, Man…

viking01 on February 4, 2014 at 3:42 PM

We’re about to find out whether an entire modern economy can be built on its participants just taking money from each other.

Cicero43 on February 4, 2014 at 3:43 PM

OT: Jay Carney just said that “Freedom” is just a buzzword

ConservativePartyNow on February 4, 2014 at 3:43 PM

from the party of sustainability.

rob verdi on February 4, 2014 at 3:43 PM

Homer Simpson.

sentinelrules on February 4, 2014 at 3:40 PM

Simpson/Bullwinkle 2016!

BacaDog on February 4, 2014 at 3:44 PM

I wonder how many employees will become “29ers” (people working part-time that won’t qualify for health care or other benefits).

The good news is that when Wal-Mart hires four part-time employees to do the work that three full-time employees are currently doing, it will result in a drop in the unemployment rate. And, the four part-time employees are more likely to find a second part time job to pay for the necessities of life or sign up for entitlement programs. Either way, it’s a win for the administration.

bw222 on February 4, 2014 at 3:44 PM

OT: Jay Carney just said that “Freedom” is just a buzzword

ConservativePartyNow on February 4, 2014 at 3:43 PM

How many phone books was he standing on to reach the top of the podium.

Bishop on February 4, 2014 at 3:45 PM

Here is your true believer.

Since bad reading comprehension is Job 1 at Hot Air, here’s what you’ve left out, according to the WSJ: “the jobs figures largely represent Americans who will choose not to work rather than those who will lose their jobs or have their workweeks reduced because of the law.” People who had jobs just so they could get health care no longer have to do that.

Constantine on February 4, 2014 at 3:28 PM

Can’t have nice things with imbeciles like this around.

Murphy9 on February 4, 2014 at 3:45 PM

…. the GOP’s response is to concentrate on chasing phantom Mexican voters.

Mark1971 on February 4, 2014 at 3:25 PM

They should be easy to find. They’re all in the shadows. Look there!
/

Mimzey on February 4, 2014 at 3:46 PM

As a great man once said, remember me as I am — filled with murderous rage.

Allahpundit, I empathize, believe me, and I’m sorry to read that you’ve reached that particular plateau, too.

I wish I could offer some hope that things will improve.

thatsafactjack on February 4, 2014 at 3:47 PM

FTE=Federally Terminated Ex-employee

burserker on February 4, 2014 at 3:47 PM

They think we’re stupid.

Bishop on February 4, 2014 at 3:32 PM

e jobs (as critics of the law have alleged) but “almost entirely from a net decline in the amount of labor that workers choose to supply.”…

Is this. Or is this not an incredibly tight job market right now? Isn’t it in the interest of employers, who use tight labor markets to lower wages and cut employee benefits to claim that this is a bad thing? They’ll do *anything* to keep wages stagnant, including pretending to forget the relationship between job demand and wages.

libfreeordie on February 4, 2014 at 3:39 PM

Because their voters are stupid.

RovesChins on February 4, 2014 at 3:47 PM

listens2glenn on February 4, 2014 at 3:38 PM

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I guess the choice is “find a 2nd job” or “work less”.

22044 on February 4, 2014 at 3:39 PM

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Oops … yeah, I forgot that option … sorry.

listens2glenn on February 4, 2014 at 3:49 PM

OMG. Really. What else is there to say? These people are relentless.

djl130 on February 4, 2014 at 3:49 PM

Look on the bright side: If fewer people working is a sign of economic success, the Obama presidency will be remembered as a golden age.

Heh. Great stuff, AP.

I’m convinced we entered some sort of twilight zone years ago, where down is up and people working less is good. And to think, if we had anything other than Dem-run media people might notice and/or care, as well.

changer1701 on February 4, 2014 at 3:50 PM

Yeah my son aged 24 wants to thank the Obama administration. He’s 2 years post college grad and working 2 part time, min wage jobs not in a finance field for which he got a degree. He says thanks so much that he still lives with mom and dad. He just loves waiting for his life to start.

neyney on February 4, 2014 at 3:51 PM

libfreeordie on February 4, 2014 at 3:39 PM

I see you’re confused. Go smoke another joint, eat a box of Ding Dong’s, watch some cartoons, and tomorrow Salon with give you your talking points.

thatsafactjack on February 4, 2014 at 3:51 PM

Well it’s a good thing that all the government promises of handouts is completely sustainable for the forseeable future.

gwelf on February 4, 2014 at 3:52 PM

Don’t forget all the unemployed who went on SS “disability.” This is a growth industry for disability lawers in some places like WV.

Wethal on February 4, 2014 at 3:52 PM

Slave

Bmore on February 4, 2014 at 3:53 PM

Is this. Or is this not an incredibly tight job market right now? Isn’t it in the interest of employers, who use tight labor markets to lower wages and cut employee benefits to claim that this is a bad thing? They’ll do *anything* to keep wages stagnant, including pretending to forget the relationship between job demand and wages.

libfreeordie on February 4, 2014 at 3:39 PM

Tight job market? Why would that be? We’re into our 5th year of economic recovery.

And wages aren’t as big of an issue as hours being slashed due to ObamaCare’s mandates.

This is what happens when idiots like you and Obama who’ve never run a business decide they can take over the economy and run it better.

gwelf on February 4, 2014 at 3:55 PM

libfreeordie on February 4, 2014 at 3:39 PM

Go away. Adults are talking.

22044 on February 4, 2014 at 3:56 PM

Who are these people who only had a job to get healthcare benefits?

What do they eat and where do they sleep? What about their dependents?

gwelf on February 4, 2014 at 3:56 PM

…so long as they all vote for the slave-masters…

Told you, often – the leftists are exploitative thugs of most all sheepledom. The love people in squaller, in plantations.

Wake up and pitchfork them, politically, already, from the lest to the right.

This encourages more illegals to come…and why not?

Schadenfreude on February 4, 2014 at 3:58 PM

Is this. Or is this not an incredibly tight job market right now? Isn’t it in the interest of employers, who use tight labor markets to lower wages and cut employee benefits to claim that this is a bad thing? They’ll do *anything* to keep wages stagnant, including pretending to forget the relationship between job demand and wages.

libfreeordie on February 4, 2014 at 3:39 PM

Very interesting assessment… of liberals in charge.

Strangely, I agree… LIBERALS will do *anything* to keep wages stagnant, including pretending to forget the relationship between job demand and wages.

(Psst… in other words when you make it harder for employers to make a profit, wages will drop! Pretty soon you’re going to run out of feet to shoot, but keep it up skippy… you provide us with a great laugh!)

dominigan on February 4, 2014 at 3:58 PM

SOTOMAYOR: Labeling Illegals as ‘Criminals’ is Insulting…

Hitler was also insulted when people Labelled him a murderer.

SparkPlug on February 4, 2014 at 3:59 PM

More jobs for illegal aliens!!!!!

Wigglesworth on February 4, 2014 at 3:59 PM

Of course it’s a tight job market; multiple generations fighting for the same low-end jobs during the greatest economic boom since Jeebus was a house painter is going to do that.

Bishop on February 4, 2014 at 3:59 PM

I wish we could put a certain 537 (435 + 100 + 1 + 1) people out of work immediately.

gregbert on February 4, 2014 at 4:00 PM

Goebbels sends his love-note to DC, written in his semen. He can’t take it any more…these guys have surpassed all his Utopian expectations, and then some.

Schadenfreude on February 4, 2014 at 4:00 PM

They’ll do *anything* to keep wages stagnant, including pretending to forget the relationship between job demand and wages.

libfreeordie on February 4, 2014 at 3:39 PM

Says the guy who supports amnesty and increased immigration. Are you purposely forgetting the relationship between job demand and wages?

magicbeans on February 4, 2014 at 4:01 PM

Slave, so, based on your observation, why legalize so many illegals, at the cost of the blacks, the middle/lower classes?

Schadenfreude on February 4, 2014 at 4:01 PM

I also heard on Fox News Radio that some White House hack claimed that creating 2 million new unemployed people would incentivize them to be “entrepreneurial” and start their own businesses.

Uh-huh…most of the 6 million people who lost their health insurance THIS January due to the Individual mandate were self-employed small-business owners.

“Hey, everybody who gets health insurance through their employers, you wanna go through lots of red tape and pay taxes through the nose to start your own business and lose your health insurance?
What an awesome idea!”

/Obama off

Steve Z on February 4, 2014 at 4:02 PM

So the massive unemployment rate among poor urban blacks is something the democrats are doing on purpose and is a sign of their “prosperity”?

gwelf on February 4, 2014 at 4:03 PM

Wow.

trigon on February 4, 2014 at 4:03 PM

Glenn Kessler Pretzeler. What a tool.

MikeinPRCA on February 4, 2014 at 4:05 PM

Is this. Or is this not an incredibly tight job market right now?

libfreeordie on February 4, 2014 at 3:39 PM

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Yes. The Bush economy was sooo BAD, it lasted these last five years, in spite of Obama’s valiant efforts.
What more could we expect, when he inherited such an AWFUL ‘economic state’.
.

Isn’t it in the interest of employers, who use tight labor markets to lower wages and cut employee benefits to claim that this is a bad thing?

libfreeordie on February 4, 2014 at 3:39 PM

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It’s ALWAYS (that means every time, without exception ) … in the best interests of employers (businesses, BIG or small) to pay the lowest possible price for everything and anything they need, to keep the business profitable. That is a ‘dynamic’ that is NEVER going to change, … period.
“Everything and anything” includes . L A B O R.
.

They’ll do *anything* to keep wages stagnant, including pretending to forget the relationship between job demand and wages.

libfreeordie on February 4, 2014 at 3:39 PM

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What are you saying ? … That all businesses have secretly created “trusts” among and between themselves for the purpose of keeping laborer’s wages low ?

If not, then what ARE you saying ?

listens2glenn on February 4, 2014 at 4:05 PM

I wonder if the ‘master plan’ of the LEFT is to put all American citizens on welfare and let newly legalized, green card holding, formerly illegal aliens pay for all those welfare programs?

thatsafactjack on February 4, 2014 at 4:05 PM

In the words of Kirk Lazarus, never go full retard.

tdpwells on February 4, 2014 at 4:05 PM

From their perspective it’s not big deal. It won’t even affect the unemployment rate since they’ll be reducing the number of people looking for work at the same time they’re shrinking the workforce. Heck, it may even make the unemployment rate go down.

Good grief.

PackerBronco on February 4, 2014 at 4:06 PM

It’s hard not to go screaming into the night.

gophergirl on February 4, 2014 at 4:07 PM

the Obama presidency will be remembered as a golden age.

More like the Golden Shower age……

redguy on February 4, 2014 at 4:07 PM

I wish we could put a certain 537 (435 + 100 + 1 + 1) people out of work immediately.

gregbert on February 4, 2014 at 4:00 PM

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That’s too “cryptic” for me … you’re gonna have to spell-it-out … : )

listens2glenn on February 4, 2014 at 4:09 PM

libfreeordie on February 4, 2014 at 3:39 PM

We truly live in a remarkable age where such stupidity propagates the globe at the speed of light. In the old days, before the Internet, your stupidity would only be known to your neighbors, family, and friends. Now the entire world can shake its head in wonder at the decline of the liberal intellect.

PackerBronco on February 4, 2014 at 4:10 PM

Obamacare is a total f*cking disaster and the GOP’s response is to concentrate on chasing phantom Mexican voters.

Mark1971 on February 4, 2014 at 3:25 PM

And lets face reality, the ones who really want to vote are already voting. If anyone thinks that is not true they are being very naïve.

Johnnyreb on February 4, 2014 at 4:10 PM

(Psst… in other words when you make it harder for employers to make a profit, wages will drop! Pretty soon you’re going to run out of feet to shoot, but keep it up skippy… you provide us with a great laugh!)

dominigan on February 4, 2014 at 3:58 PM

Have you been watching corporate earnings reports? How much easier does it have to be for large corporations to turn a profit? Because they seem to be doing just fine. Like, seriously. I want a number, how many hundreds of billions of dollars must they net before they will raise wages? These people *love* money. They love it more than anything else in the world. So you’re suggesting that, out of the goodness of their hearts, they would ever make a decision to decrease their amount of money in any real structural way. In a way that would support the middle class Americans long for.

Because it is going to have to happen one of two ways. Either corporations will pay enough to provide that lifestyle or the state will provide enough resources to provide that lifestyle. One or the other. Right now, the declines in the middle class tell us that corporate America is shirking its responsibility to provide the middle class lifestyle conservative America longs for and is nostalgic about. The state, in America’s “golden age” played a much heavier burden in maintaining middle class lifestyles than they do now. That is historical fact. Do people think the 40s, 50s, 60s were magical decades in American history *in spite* of the enormous role the federal government paid in sustaining the American middle class? Because that feels profoundly counterintuitive.

So, when is corporate America going to fulfill its part of the bargain. They asked for a massive structural change in tax rates and got it during the Reagan years. And since the Reagan Administration capital gains and income tax rates have stayed within a pretty close range. Nothing compared to the tax rates of America’s “golden” World War II and postwar decades. But they haven’t kept up their end of the bargain. They have responded to getting the tax policy they wanted and disbanding 80% of the labor movement….by lowering wages and slashing employee benefits. It just seems like the last 40 years of tax policy is the proof on conservative philosophy about American standards of living and our level of intimacy with the federal state.

libfreeordie on February 4, 2014 at 4:10 PM

They’ll do *anything* to keep wages stagnant, including pretending to forget the relationship between job demand and wages.

libfreeordie on February 4, 2014 at 3:39 PM

Says the guy who supports amnesty and increased immigration. Are you purposely forgetting the relationship between job demand and wages?

magicbeans on February 4, 2014 at 4:01 PM

Slave, so, based on your observation, why legalize so many illegals, at the cost of the blacks, the middle/lower classes?

Schadenfreude on February 4, 2014 at 4:01 PM

Because evil corporations are hoarding their wealth and if we redistributed it fairly we’d all have a living wage.

And, no, I have never heard of “small business”.
And, no, I won’t admit that Obama and the Democrat party are crony fascists.

/libslave

gwelf on February 4, 2014 at 4:11 PM

I wonder if the ‘master plan’ of the LEFT is to put all American citizens on welfare and let newly legalized, green card holding, formerly illegal aliens pay for all those welfare programs?

thatsafactjack on February 4, 2014 at 4:05 PM

I’m betting the numbers are even higher in this “robust” economy. Because, once they become legal, they’re going to suddenly become educated, skilled, and willing to work for their under the table wages.

https://cis.org/immigrant-welfare-use-2011

RovesChins on February 4, 2014 at 4:14 PM

White House: When you think about it, 2.5 million fewer people working because of ObamaCare is good news

Funcation for all!

Dr. ZhivBlago on February 4, 2014 at 4:15 PM

Success equals 0% unemployment with no one actually working…

PatriotRider on February 4, 2014 at 4:17 PM

Have you been watching corporate earnings reports? How much easier does it have to be for large corporations to turn a profit? Because they seem to be doing just fine. Like, seriously. I want a number, how many hundreds of billions of dollars must they net before they will raise wages? These people *love* money. They love it more than anything else in the world. So you’re suggesting that, out of the goodness of their hearts, they would ever make a decision to decrease their amount of money in any real structural way. In a way that would support the middle class Americans long for.

Because it is going to have to happen one of two ways. Either corporations will pay enough to provide that lifestyle or the state will provide enough resources to provide that lifestyle. One or the other. Right now, the declines in the middle class tell us that corporate America is shirking its responsibility to provide the middle class lifestyle conservative America longs for and is nostalgic about. The state, in America’s “golden age” played a much heavier burden in maintaining middle class lifestyles than they do now. That is historical fact. Do people think the 40s, 50s, 60s were magical decades in American history *in spite* of the enormous role the federal government paid in sustaining the American middle class? Because that feels profoundly counterintuitive.

So, when is corporate America going to fulfill its part of the bargain. They asked for a massive structural change in tax rates and got it during the Reagan years. And since the Reagan Administration capital gains and income tax rates have stayed within a pretty close range. Nothing compared to the tax rates of America’s “golden” World War II and postwar decades. But they haven’t kept up their end of the bargain. They have responded to getting the tax policy they wanted and disbanding 80% of the labor movement….by lowering wages and slashing employee benefits. It just seems like the last 40 years of tax policy is the proof on conservative philosophy about American standards of living and our level of intimacy with the federal state.

libfreeordie on February 4, 2014 at 4:10 PM

For a supposed intellectual you really do show a complete lack of ability to learn anything.

You’ve been challenged and had these talking points debunked numerous times here on these threads. Yet here you are trotting them out again as if these lame points have never been totally destroyed.

The economic boom from in the 40′s, 50′s and 60′s was due to state redistribution? Really? We’re redistributing a whole lot more now than we ever did back then – you know when we were the only industrial power not bombed back to the iron age during WWII.
The tax restructuring of the 80′s under Reagan actually increased government revenue you fool. This will surprise you but no one really paid the 90% income tax in previous American eras – they just used tax shelters.

You’re amazing analysis also completely ignores globalization.

But keep making a fool of yourself. It’s amusing.

gwelf on February 4, 2014 at 4:18 PM

libfreeordie on February 4, 2014 at 4:10 PM

You stupid, small “man”.

Most potential job growth comes from small & midsize businesses that aren’t reported in the news and likely are privately held.

I hate posting this (and feed the fool), but there may be other readers who may find benefit from it.

22044 on February 4, 2014 at 4:18 PM

They think we’re stupid.

Bishop on February 4, 2014 at 3:32 PM

They KNOW we’re stupid…

PatriotRider on February 4, 2014 at 4:19 PM

Just fire everyone and we’ll all be happy!!

BillCarson on February 4, 2014 at 4:20 PM

I can’t decide which is more breathtaking, the miraculous gymnastics of the spin machine at WaPo, or the sheer stupidity of the WaPo commenters who think the loss of 2.3 million jobs is good news. Our nation is so screwed.

idalily on February 4, 2014 at 4:21 PM

Hey, this isn’t bug; it’s a feature: The liberal version of going Galt.

SteveInRTP on February 4, 2014 at 4:22 PM

Because evil corporations are hoarding their wealth and if we redistributed it fairly we’d all have a living wage.

And, no, I have never heard of “small business”.
And, no, I won’t admit that Obama and the Democrat party are crony fascists.

/libslave

gwelf on February 4, 2014 at 4:11 PM

I was spot on wasn’t I?

gwelf on February 4, 2014 at 4:23 PM

The economic boom from in the 40′s, 50′s and 60′s was due to state redistribution? Really? We’re redistributing a whole lot more now than we ever did back then – you know when we were the only industrial power not bombed back to the iron age during WWII.

True or False. During the 40s, 50′s and 60′s (a darn long bit of time in American history) the federal and state governments were significantly more redistributionist than they have been since the massive reduction in tax rates under the Reagan Administration.

libfreeordie on February 4, 2014 at 4:29 PM

Great, guess I should just drop out of the workforce, get an ebt card “filled” up every month so I could fill up 3 shopping carts worth of food. Oh my husband would have to quit too, so that we could get free breakfast and lunch for the kids. Only one other kid in my daughters class right now pays full price. Maybe we can get all kinds of other goodies too, who knows? BONANZA… best part of all I wouldn’t have to work six nights in a row to pay for the groceries I would no longer have to earn. Best of all I could see my children again, I do not see my kids except for breakfast 5 or six day’s a week.

MontanaMmmm on February 4, 2014 at 4:29 PM

Great! Work part time, get a subsidy to pay health care. You probably also qualify for food stamps and subsided cell phones. Now we need a mortgage subsidy and a car loan subsidy (electric cars only) and an internet subsidy and a Starbuck’s subsidy. Oh screw it, just put everyone in subsidized prison cells… Gitmo’s almost empty.

rhombus on February 4, 2014 at 4:29 PM

libfreeordie on February 4, 2014 at 4:10 PM

There’s a quote from Billy Madison that’s applies to every post you make. Especially this one.

PetecminMd on February 4, 2014 at 4:30 PM

I remember a story about some American who visited a dam building project in China and asked why the workers were using shovels instead of powered equipment to dig. It was explained to him that the dam was also an employment project for the government, so using a backhoe or other earth-moving equipment, though more efficient, would take away jobs. “In that case,” asked the American, “why don’t you have them dig with spoons?”

We’re getting there, people. We’re getting there.

Socratease on February 4, 2014 at 4:33 PM

Oh, and I was being sarcastic…but it’s hard not to give in, that’s what they want right all of us a bunch of useless idiots like libslave. Oh and ffffffffffff uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu.

MontanaMmmm on February 4, 2014 at 4:33 PM

libfreeordie on February 4, 2014 at 4:10 PM

Why should any corporation just raise wages regardless of the profits they earn for their shareholders? Seriously, they pay the wages the market will bear and when brainiacs let lots and lots of low wage folks walk over the border, you’re going to find a surplus of labor and lower wages. Insisting a company raise wages because it makes knotheads feel good about themselves is pretty much legislating morality.

P.S. Quantitative Easing hasn’t helped much either.

rhombus on February 4, 2014 at 4:34 PM

libfreeordie on February 4, 2014 at 4:10 PM

Google. Apple. FaceBook. Yahoo. Microsoft. Dell. GE. General Motors. Sony Corp.,et al. The list of corporations held by the LEFT is long. Too long to list here. And all of them donate to the Democrats and keep them in office to service their own interests. None of them are interested in redistributing their wealth, keeping on full time employees when they can cut cost by moving them to part time work, and if you want to see abuses of workers look at what corporations like Apple do to their employees abroad.

If you can’t be fair, at least grow up.

thatsafactjack on February 4, 2014 at 4:35 PM

They think we’re stupid.

Bishop on February 4, 2014 at 3:32 PM

They KNOW we’re stupid…

PatriotRider on February 4, 2014 at 4:19 PM

They know that the low information voter is stupid and apathetic.

They know that the majority of their believers are stupid, gullible, and little more than useful idiots repeating the same old tripe – believing that telling a lie often enough, forceful enough, is all that is needed to make it the truth.

They know that combined, the above groups generally are sufficient to outnumber those who are properly educated, engaged, and know how to apply critical thinking in a cogent and valid manner.

Where they run into problems is when reality crashes into their theoretical fantasies of economic and social utopia’s on earth.

Where it becomes humorous is when clods like Glenn Kessler and Jay Carney (and our usual trolls), try to spin why the ‘social justice and fairness experiment’ utterly failed in the real world.

Seriously, Kessler’s lame spin is almost Onion worthy. He does a far better job writing satire than determining accuracy, truth, and reality.

Athos on February 4, 2014 at 4:36 PM

True or False. During the 40s, 50′s and 60′s (a darn long bit of time in American history) the federal and state governments were significantly more redistributionist than they have been since the massive reduction in tax rates under the Reagan Administration.

libfreeordie on February 4, 2014 at 4:29 PM

Tax receipts as a percentage of GDP have ranged between 15% and 20% for the last 70 years. And in fact, right now they’re slightly higher than the average through the 40′s 50′s and 60′s. You can rant about nominal tax rates all you want, but in this matter you’re totally wrong.

PetecminMd on February 4, 2014 at 4:36 PM

True or False. During the 40s, 50′s and 60′s (a darn long bit of time in American history) the federal and state governments were significantly more redistributionist than they have been since the massive reduction in tax rates under the Reagan Administration.

libfreeordie on February 4, 2014 at 4:29 PM

Uh, tax revenue went UP during Reagan’s tax cuts. And during Bush’s tax cuts too. That’s what happens when you don’t have an income tax of 70% and a growing economy.

You’re focusing on tax cuts instead of revenue. They are different things.

Reagan got the Democrats to go along with the tax cuts but he wasn’t really successful in reducing government spending, redistribution and size – it flatlined during his administration but before and after it’s all increase.

gwelf on February 4, 2014 at 4:36 PM

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