WH advisor on ObamaCare disincentivizing work: This is about choice

posted at 8:01 pm on February 4, 2014 by Allahpundit

Via the Free Beacon, a video companion to this afternoon’s declaration of defeat. A clearly sympathetic National Journal calls this “the worst day that Obamacare has had in weeks” because Jason Furman, whom you’re about to meet, allegedly did such a terrible job explaining the greater work flexibility that the law’s designed to enable. But he didn’t do a terrible job; he did what he could with terrible facts. How is this guy supposed to spin the fact that, even by CBO’s measure, more than two million people will choose to work less because their health coverage is now being subsidized by the rest of the taxpaying population? It’s surreal watching him defend as a triumph of “choice” a law that’s defined in the public imagination by two mandates, one of which was litigated in the Supreme Court and the other of which was illegally suspended by the president to spare himself extra political trouble, but that’s where we are. You don’t get to choose not to pay the various taxes under the law that are being passed on to you, just as you don’t get to choose not to pay more for insurance than you used to because you’re now subsidizing premiums for the old and sick. The “choice” belongs to someone else. It reminds me of “if you like your plan, you can keep your plan” in that both are attempts to sugar-coat a more bitter redistributive reality. Obama didn’t want people to understand that they had to lose their old coverage and be forced into expensive new plans to help pay for people with preexisting conditions, and now he doesn’t want people to understand that “flexibility” in this case involves making it possible for literally millions of workers to drop out of the labor force down the road because the rest of the working population is paying a little more. What’s Furman supposed to say?

And unfortunately, while the new plan introduced by Tom Coburn and two colleagues isn’t quite as bad, it would create the same problem. Exit quotation from Ross Douthat: “[W]hatever kind of insurance system you envision, insurance subsidies for working-age adults probably shouldn’t be means-tested in the way that other welfare programs usually are.”


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Yes, the choice to be a freeloader.

Charlemagne on February 4, 2014 at 8:03 PM

but it’s not a choice–your job has been eliminated!

phillypolitics on February 4, 2014 at 8:04 PM

If you like your life…

Then government hasn’t done enough…

Electrongod on February 4, 2014 at 8:05 PM

These people are evil. They appeal to the worst in humanity and ultimately lead a nation to ruin.

jawkneemusic on February 4, 2014 at 8:06 PM

“Optimizing to a new constraint”.

Total B$ newspeak. They are just making $hit up now.

Johnnyreb on February 4, 2014 at 8:07 PM

Libs have such a perverted definition of “choice”.

Bitter Clinger on February 4, 2014 at 8:10 PM

How is this sustainable?

rob verdi on February 4, 2014 at 8:13 PM

State Run Media: This does not mean what it says it means…or, this could be harmful to our Dear Leader.

d1carter on February 4, 2014 at 8:14 PM

Or, this would not have been the case had we not had that government shut down…

d1carter on February 4, 2014 at 8:16 PM

Or, this would not have been the case had we not had that government shut down…

d1carter on February 4, 2014 at 8:16 PM

We had a Government shutdown!!!???

When??

/

Electrongod on February 4, 2014 at 8:18 PM

Mark my words. By October the ‘rats will be openly running on ACA.

Lanceman on February 4, 2014 at 8:18 PM

I was brought up to value a good day’s work. Also was brought up that no job was beneath me and that you do what you have to do sometimes to survive.

Apparently that lesson didn’t make it to Hawaii/Chicago.

I’m thankful my Grandparents aren’t alive to see this. They would be so upset they would be making themselves ill.

gophergirl on February 4, 2014 at 8:18 PM

And unfortunately, while the new plan introduced by Tom Coburn and two colleagues isn’t quite as bad, it would create the same problem.

While I am sorry about Senator Coburn’s illness. I am happy he is leaving of the year because I think ha may have lost his mind. Teaming with Burr and Hatch is insane as is providing Obama with cover on ObamaCare, and that is what these three stooges are doing.

bw222 on February 4, 2014 at 8:20 PM

This is just unbelievable. The message this sends to Americans, and the world is that under the Democrats America will necessarily become less productive and less competitive because we’re just creating more disincentives to work. Ed should have asked if Obama has already cut his own hours back to show his leadership.

CitizenEgg on February 4, 2014 at 8:21 PM

Fundamentally transforming America.

supernova on February 4, 2014 at 8:24 PM

Ed should have asked if Obama has already cut his own hours back to show his leadership.

CitizenEgg on February 4, 2014 at 8:21 PM

How many golf outings, vacations and holidays can one man take? How many lavish soire’s can one man attend?

You suggest he should find the time for still more? Have some pity. lol!

thatsafactjack on February 4, 2014 at 8:25 PM

These people are evil. They appeal to the worst in humanity and ultimately lead a nation to ruin.

jawkneemusic on February 4, 2014 at 8:06 PM

Communism disincentivized people to work; and liberals loved it.

Why is this revelation any surprise to anyone?

lorien1973 on February 4, 2014 at 8:25 PM

This is so effing pathetic it’s almost beyond comprehension.

It’s what pelosi spewed way back about not being “constrained” by a job.

We can all quit and sit in a circle and play guitar and bongos all day now.

I hate these people. They’ll have to stuff me on a train heading for the camps because I’m not EVAH playing their game. I’m sick of it and ready to dig a foxhole NOW.

wolly4321 on February 4, 2014 at 8:28 PM

What was especially stupid was the all-or-nothing cutoffs they made for subsidies, instead of graduating them.

Freelancers find themselves in the remarkable position of wondering whether to take on additional work, because they make lose a several-thousand-dollar subsidy if they go one penny over the limit.

Insane.

bobs1196 on February 4, 2014 at 8:31 PM

Do we get a choice NOT to subsidize these bums?

Just another giant step towards The Almighty State taking care of the good citizenry and making them infantilized dependents.

kim roy on February 4, 2014 at 8:38 PM

How is this sustainable?

rob verdi on February 4, 2014 at 8:13 PM

Money trees, geese cr*pping out golden eggs and unicorns.

kim roy on February 4, 2014 at 8:39 PM

Choosing not to have health insurance = Bad
Choosing not to have a job = Awesome

Left Coast Right Mind on February 4, 2014 at 8:41 PM

Watching these two idiots discuss the economics of ObamaCare is like taking in a discussion of astrophysics between two dogs.

Sorry, but Ed Henry is a blithering imbecile

beedubya on February 4, 2014 at 8:42 PM

two million people will choose to work less

No, they won’t. When you get right down to it THE EMPLOYER is the one who will be making ‘the choice’.

GarandFan on February 4, 2014 at 8:43 PM

You know what I plan on doing by April 15th?

Nothing.

wolly4321 on February 4, 2014 at 8:43 PM

I’m thinking when the Founders signed the documents they probably didn’t have this particular day in mind.

Or maybe they did which is why certain amendments were added later.

Bishop on February 4, 2014 at 8:43 PM

Cloward Piven. It is becoming more than just a pipe dream.

tru2tx on February 4, 2014 at 8:44 PM

No, they won’t. When you get right down to it THE EMPLOYER is the one who will be making ‘the choice’. GarandFan on February 4, 2014 at 8:43 PM

I haven’t seen overtime since booooosh was POTUS. No raises since, either. Lost my Insurance first open enrollment after dogeatercare passed.

wolly4321 on February 4, 2014 at 8:48 PM

I’m sick of it and ready to dig a foxhole NOW.

wolly4321 on February 4, 2014 at 8:28 PM

We’re just one spark away…

Doomsday on February 4, 2014 at 8:49 PM

This guy actually suggested that somebody quitting work to let Uncle Sugar support them might start a business?????????? Bwahahahahahahaha

Southernblogger on February 4, 2014 at 8:53 PM

This guy actually suggested that somebody quitting work to let Uncle Sugar support them might start a business?????????? Bwahahahahahahaha Southernblogger on February 4, 2014 at 8:53 PM

You’ve never started a lucrative business with foodstamps?

Me either.

wolly4321 on February 4, 2014 at 8:57 PM

And then you have Kessler saying just because Obamacare disincentivises work that is not the same as saying it is responsible for the job losses that creates?????

Southernblogger on February 4, 2014 at 8:57 PM

Suck it up, people. As Americans, in the last 2 presidential elections, we voted for it. Did you think we were going to cover 30 million new people without it costing us anything? Did you really think the goal of making health insurance available to everyone while making it less expensive for all of us was realistic? Did we actually believe that the money to pay for Obamacare grows on trees? Do you believe in faerie dust and Unicorn farts? Obama promised us a pony and when we woke up, we found a dead horse head in our bed. Ever heard of supply and demand? Not only does our insurance cost more, those deductibles and copays will certainly factor into our decisions on whether or not to seek medical care when we get sick. Our demand for services will go down. This frees up time for our doctors to help all the new enrollees, instead. They’re getting it for free, but that’s not the worst part. We’ll be going to the doctor less. Access to our doctors is being given to someone else at no charge to them and we’re the ones on the hook for it. It’s the largest tax increase in the history of the United States. Nancy Pelosi once said we had to ‘pass this bill to see what was in it.’ Well, now we are finally finding out and many of us are surprised that it stinks. Some of us were paying attention at the time, and we knew what was going to happen. We even warned everyone else back then. You guys called us ‘racist’ and ‘mean’ when we sounded the alarm, but we were right. You wouldn’t listen. It’s time to say that We Told You So. Obama is using our money to buy the votes of people who will, with the help of amnesty, keep Democrats in power forever.

Corporal Tunnel on February 4, 2014 at 8:58 PM

wolly4321 on February 4, 2014 at 8:57 PM

Not really. I do know some folks who sell their Obama stamps at 50 cents on the dollar though for smokes and booze. That seems like perfect liberal economic math.

Southernblogger on February 4, 2014 at 9:00 PM

This guy actually suggested that somebody quitting work to let Uncle Sugar support them might start a business?????????? Bwahahahahahahaha

Southernblogger on February 4, 2014 at 8:53 PM

As a self-employed person for the last 20 years, I can tell you that every successful self-employed person has a tyrant for a boss.

PackerBronco on February 4, 2014 at 9:07 PM

Funny how liberals love ‘choice’ so long as it’s not contrary to the ‘choices’ that they want to inflict give to us. Reminds me of the ‘choices’ available in 3 card monte…

ghostwalker1 on February 4, 2014 at 9:08 PM

These people are evil. They appeal to the worst in humanity and ultimately lead a nation to ruin.

jawkneemusic on February 4, 2014 at 8:06 PM

And in the sunrise that follows, they will stand limned against the ruins, Starting From Zero! as they build the Utopian Brave New World. Which they will rule as benevolent despots, forever.

Well, that’s what they think, anyway.

So did Mussolini and Ceausescu. Not to mention Allende’ in Chile. It didn’t quite work out that way for them.

BTW, Allende was elected democratically, began ruling like a dictator, and was finally overthrown when everyone had had enough. Except his supporters on the really far left, who kept wanting to know when the mass roundups of “reactionaries” was going to start. As opposed to Allende’s secret police just “disappearing” his opponents one at a time.

The trouble with the left is that there’s never quite enough death and destruction going on to suit them.

clear ether

eon

eon on February 4, 2014 at 9:12 PM

Sheila Jackson Lee has the solution: Executive Orders for Full Employment. Her caucus will draft the EO’s.
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/eric-scheiner/rep-jackson-lee-we-ll-give-president-obama-number-executive-orders

onlineanalyst on February 4, 2014 at 9:13 PM

Jason Furman, whom you’re about to meet, allegedly did such a terrible job explaining the greater work flexibility that the law’s designed to enable. But he didn’t do a terrible job; he did what he could with terrible facts.

No! When you’ve got a guy defending the lifestyle choices of fictional people working less hours than before thanks the “freedom” they have with Obamacare, then you’ve got a bigger problem than just the facts.

Happy Nomad on February 4, 2014 at 9:15 PM

from drudge.. even the fry cook gets it..

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/370307/fry-cook-shifted-part-time-work-confronts-obama-andrew-johnson

going2mars on February 4, 2014 at 9:18 PM

These are 2.3 million full time jobs that aren’t going to be available anymore.

Those 2.3 million employees likely have credit card debts, mortgages, car payments, rent, children to put through school, dental care, any number of demands on their income.

Many will simply not be free to ‘choose’ to work only part time, if they can even find those part time jobs given the competition there will be for those part time jobs.

Many will find that they now need two jobs. Two part time jobs to take the place of their now non-existent full time job that used to meet their necessary expenses.

Since employer are likely to wish to work each employee as many hours as possible, particularly if they are a good employee, these individuals will find that they are now working two jobs at 29.5 hours per week, for a total of 59 hours/week.

In terms of health, working 59 hours/week is bound to take a greater toll on individual health than working 40 hours per week at a normal full time job. This will cause more days lost to illness, and more cost to insurers.

These individuals will find it harder to move up the work or social ladder, their time being consumed with work, their income further stressed by their ObamaCare premiums, deductibles, and copays.

Further, the individual will find less time to spend with family, friends, hobbies, or ‘pursuing their passion’.

That’s some choice the Left is handing working Americans.

thatsafactjack on February 4, 2014 at 9:19 PM

I’m thinking when the Founders signed the documents they probably didn’t have this particular day in mind.

Or maybe they did which is why certain amendments were added later.

Bishop on February 4, 2014 at 8:43 PM

The Bill of Rights was clearly designed with this day in mind. Unfortunately Obama doesn’t give a damn about civil rights. He’s black and he’s in charge nobody can challenge his edicts!

Happy Nomad on February 4, 2014 at 9:21 PM

onlineanalyst on February 4, 2014 at 9:13 PM

Is there one person on this list you would trust to sweep out your garage without somehow burning down the entire neighborhood?

In addition to Conyers and Lee, members of the caucus include; Frederica Wilson (D-Fla.), Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.), Maxine Waters (D-Calif.), Barbara Lee (D-Calif.), Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas), José Serrano (D-N.Y.), and Mike Quigley (D-Ill.).

Bishop on February 4, 2014 at 9:25 PM

Is there one person on this list you would trust to sweep out your garage without somehow burning down the entire neighborhood?

Bishop on February 4, 2014 at 9:25 PM

Well, certainly not Maxine “no justice no peace” Waters. She wanted to see America’s second largest city go up in flames for the treatment of a worthless drug addict.

Happy Nomad on February 4, 2014 at 9:31 PM

ROFL….the socialists never understand why socialism fails. As soon as the majority of people figure out its better not to work than it is to work it all goes to hell.

2 million? Once people figure out that you can get food stamps, disability, welfare, section 8 housing, healthcare and have basically the same standard of living as a worker making $15.00-$20.00/hr watch how many 10′s of millions will stop working. then it will be class warfare on steroids.

unseen on February 4, 2014 at 9:46 PM

Yes, it is about choice. You have the choice of working and pulling your own weight or sitting on your ass and letting someone else work for you and thats what it amounts to.

kemojr on February 4, 2014 at 9:49 PM

If you like your life…

Then government hasn’t done enough…

Electrongod on February 4, 2014 at 8:05 PM

.
. . . . . Or perhaps the Matrix has you.

listens2glenn on February 4, 2014 at 9:50 PM

Welfare Pays Better Than Work

State by state breakdown and comparison to hourly wage.

thatsafactjack on February 4, 2014 at 9:52 PM

Corporal Tunnel on February 4, 2014 at 8:58 PM

Not that I’m disagreeing, but you might want to check the audience here that you’re including in your royal “we”.

;)

kim roy on February 4, 2014 at 9:56 PM

whose idea was it to have Kevin’s friend from the Wonder Years be the spokesperson today?

ConservativePartyNow on February 4, 2014 at 10:06 PM

Welfare Pays Better Than Work

State by state breakdown and comparison to hourly wage.

thatsafactjack on February 4, 2014 at 9:52 PM

which goes to the heart of why dems want to increase min wage. right now it pays more to be on wfare than it does to work min wage jobs. therefore the answer for the dems is increase min wage not decrease welfare. yeap we are screwed…the takers and slackers have it figured out. the next straw is when the workers figure it out. then watch the wave hit.

unseen on February 4, 2014 at 10:07 PM

How is this sustainable?

rob verdi on February 4, 2014 at 8:13 PM

One of the main differences between Leftists and conservatives is this: When considering policies and their impact on society, the Left only considers the future 6 months, or perhaps 1 year out, at most. Conservatives are looking 10, 20, 50, 100 years down the line.

Based on their actions, the Left doesn’t even think about the future in any real way. Conservatives are constantly thinking about the future. It’s one of the reasons why the Left and conservatives never see eye to eye on many things.

So, in the mind of the Left, “sustainable” is not even on their radar. It’s all about the here and now, their feelings and emotions, self-congratulation, and perpetual adolescence. And economic illiteracy. Lots and lots of economic illiteracy.

visions on February 4, 2014 at 10:08 PM

So, who let Kevin’s friend from the Wonder Years do today’s meeting?/

ConservativePartyNow on February 4, 2014 at 10:09 PM

How is this sustainable?

rob verdi on February 4, 2014 at 8:13 PM

It isn’t. this is why socialism fails as Lady thatcher said the socialists always run out other people’s money.

unseen on February 4, 2014 at 10:10 PM

visions on February 4, 2014 at 10:08 PM

yeah but the left looks 5, 10 50 years down the line when it comes to elections and who controls power while the right just looks at the present. Because you see while conservatives are “looking into the future” economically. The left/freeloaders are looking into the future politically because they want to ensure they control the levers of power to keep their Sugar daddy paying them. and by doing so they don’t have to worry about budgets or debt or work. they let the conservatives build the businesses and wealth and work like dogs while they the Left plot to steal it by use of political power.

unseen on February 4, 2014 at 10:15 PM

…pick which finger…I’m showing on both my hands!

KOOLAID2 on February 5, 2014 at 12:00 AM

“Choice” in this case is an offer they can’t refuse.

flataffect on February 5, 2014 at 12:05 AM

I wonder if that particular WH intern is now considering the option of either:
Continuing to make a fool of himself in public as a government hack
or:
Staying home on unemployment benefit with the security of high-quality healthcare, paid for by the employed (minus those 2 million jobs erased by Obamacare ™, as reported by the CBO – which is currently considering the option to continue producing fabulous financial fantasies based on chimerical assumptions, or, …).

virgo on February 5, 2014 at 1:24 AM

Point of Order Question ??

Can the terms “talking-head” and “f@ck-head” now be used interchangeably when referring to Obama administration spokes-persons?

BigSven on February 5, 2014 at 4:38 AM

Hogwash! This is about building a Marxist state and creating a society of compliant slugs.

rplat on February 5, 2014 at 7:13 AM

and then hotair will run out of material to bash the President on…that’s what you’re really afraid of, right?

nonpartisan on November 19, 2013 at 4:47 PM

But these Obamacare posts are about whistling past the graveyard, by next Novemeber Democrats will be openly running on the ACA. Mark my words.

libfreeordie on December 20, 2013 at 10:14 AM

Chris of Rights on February 5, 2014 at 8:37 AM

This lie was so bad, even the Jaybird couldn’t puke it out. This dude is the biggest fluking idiot I’ve ever seen. How much are we paying for his advice? Whatever the amount, it’s a total waste just like him. His pasta ain’t stickin’.

Kissmygrits on February 5, 2014 at 8:46 AM

Whats the deal with adolescent looking men spokesmen for this fool in the whitehouse?

TX-96 on February 5, 2014 at 5:38 PM