Issa: The CBO is finding out what’s in it, but there are still “surprises yet to come” from ObamaCare

posted at 7:21 pm on February 4, 2014 by Erika Johnsen

Watching the White House trying to spin today’s CBO report — which concluded that ObamaCare will directly result in the equivalent of over 2 million workers leaving the workforce in the next ten years — was like watching a parody of the White House trying to spin today’s CBO report (although I can’t quite decide if it’s the White House’s or Harry Reid’s reaction, arguing that the report’s conclusion is actually a positive because “we live in a country where we should be free agents,” that really deserves first prize on that one. I can’t even talk about Nancy Pelosi‘s.).

Unfortunately for Democrats, this is hardly the end of the ridiculously tortured spinning they’re going to have to do ahead of the midterms; as Rep. Issa pointed out today in his own reaction, the CBO was originally working off of a set of assumptions that are changing now that the law is actually happening. The CBO (along with the rest of us) is finally finding out what’s in it, and there are certainly plenty more unpleasant “discoveries” left to come:


CBO originally said this was going to be budget-neutral, it bought in to a lot of assumptions that healthcare costs would go down, all these good things would happen. But, in fact, as the rollout begins, and you’re beginning to be able to score the actual effects, you’re now realizing, this is a job-killer. … 2,400 pages get thrown together at the last minute after the score was in, and then 70,000 and counting pages of new regulations. What the CBO is able to do now is look at the law as it is and find out it’s very different than what then-Speaker Pelosi said was going to happen. There are lots of things they said would happen that won’t happen, and quite frankly, there’s other surprises yet to come as we see that in fact this is a big increase in Medicaid… We were talking about the fact that at some point, people are going to realize that we taxed medical devices, and the assumption that was in the bill was that the cost of medical devices wouldn’t go up even though we’re adding a tax to these devices. Everyone knows that if you tax something it’s going to get passed on to the consumer in the way of higher costs… This really is a law that was written badly from the ground up.


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Uh oh, Issa’s on the case. Get ready for 0b00baCare to become permanent and for Congress never to do anything about it. Evah.

You know, like every other scandal and misfeasance he’s in charge of stuffing into the black hole of his committee.

Akzed on February 4, 2014 at 7:25 PM

there’s other surprises yet to come as we see that in fact this is a big increase in Medicaid…

Yep, and States that signed up for this temporary boon in Federal dollars to sweeten the pot (I am looking at my State of Kentucky) are going to feel the pain after 2018 when the Federal money spigot starts to turn slowly off.

Good times!

Johnnyreb on February 4, 2014 at 7:25 PM

Watching the White House trying to spin today’s CBO report — which concluded that ObamaCare will directly result in the equivalent of over 2 million workers leaving the workforce in the next ten years — was like watching a parody of the White House trying to spin today’s CBO report (although I can’t quite decide if it’s the White House’s or Harry Reid’s reaction, arguing that the report’s conclusion is actually a positive because “we live in a country where we should be free agents,” that really deserves first prize on that one.

91 words! A new Erika record!

Akzed on February 4, 2014 at 7:27 PM

Watching the White House trying to spin today’s CBO report

Don’t worry I already saw one of the big news outlets say pretty much what the WH said. They’re writing history. This is all so laughable.

CWchangedhisNicagain on February 4, 2014 at 7:34 PM

CBO originally said this was going to be budget-neutral …

LOL.

Not even the most delusional Commie Statists ever believed that, Issa …

ShainS on February 4, 2014 at 7:36 PM

Just remember, when the country finally goes BROKE, it’s all the fault of George Bush Fox News!

GarandFan on February 4, 2014 at 7:37 PM

As seen in a comment thread on DailyKos:

* [new] All the report is saying in a nutshell is (5+ / 0-)

people who had been tied to the workforce because it was their only access to health care now will chose to leave the workforce because they can now get health insurance thru Obamacare. It is a good thing. It will force employers to raise wages to attract workers.

Right man, right job and right time

by Ianb007 on Tue Feb 04, 2014 at 03:27:57 PM PST

you just cant make this stuff up

lostinjrz on February 4, 2014 at 7:40 PM

CBO..

Anything with an “O” in it…

Cannot be trusted…

Electrongod on February 4, 2014 at 7:41 PM

Pelosi, Reid and Jugears may have killed the Democrats. Genius.

Cicero43 on February 4, 2014 at 7:42 PM

Akzed on February 4, 2014 at 7:27 PM

It ain’t so bad for persons with 40.5 years of formal education.

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Number of words : 94.00
Number of sentences : 1.00
Average number of characters per word : 4.89
Average number of syllables per word : 1.47
Average number of words per sentence: 94.00

Indication of the number of years of formal education that a person requires in order to easily understand the text on the first reading
Gunning Fog index : 40.58

Approximate representation of the U.S. grade level needed to comprehend the text :
Coleman Liau index : 12.70
Flesch Kincaid Grade level : 38.39
ARI (Automated Readability Index) : 48.62
SMOG : 19.43

Flesch Reading Ease : -12.77

News2Use on February 4, 2014 at 7:42 PM

This is O/T but think it’s important. Mark Levin is discussing this
MyIRA & why this was mentioned in the SOTU.

Also he is going to replay an interview with a woman that brought the idea of taking 401K’s & IRA’s a few years ago.

I’m listening onine.http://www.marklevinshow.com/

bluefox on February 4, 2014 at 7:42 PM

lostinjrz on February 4, 2014 at 7:40 PM

My gosh.

So employers will have to let people go because they can’t afford the 0b00baCare mandates, but will hire people at higher wages because… 0b00baCare.

Akzed on February 4, 2014 at 7:44 PM

Uh oh, Issa’s on the case. Get ready for 0b00baCare to become permanent and for Congress never to do anything about it. Evah.

You know, like every other scandal and misfeasance he’s in charge of stuffing into the black hole of his committee.

Akzed on February 4, 2014 at 7:25 PM

Worth repeating.

GrannyDee on February 4, 2014 at 7:46 PM

you just cant make this stuff up

lostinjrz on February 4, 2014 at 7:40 PM

And they vote. Lord help us.

JusDreamin on February 4, 2014 at 7:47 PM

CBO originally said this was going to be budget-neutral …

At the time the CBO got this with all the obama’rat lies it was budget neutral.

Garbage in, garbage out. You can’t make a silk purse out of Moochelle’s ears.

Lanceman on February 4, 2014 at 7:47 PM

And they vote. Lord help us.

JusDreamin on February 4, 2014 at 7:47 PM

AMEN to that.

gophergirl on February 4, 2014 at 7:52 PM

Thank you, catastrophically-incompetent Justice (sic) Roberts.

A one-man nation meta-destroyer.

Enabler of Obama’s delusion.

profitsbeard on February 4, 2014 at 7:54 PM

I’d like to take a shot at saying something about Nancy Pelosi’s spinning of the CBO’s report that 2.3 million workers who will lose their full time jobs because of ObamaCare, since Allahpundit is so disgusted, and understandably so, that he couldn’t bring himself to do it.

She said ‘they’ll be free to follow their passion’.

Yes, Nancy. Provided their passion is to become a welfare dependent wino, which is, of course, Nancy’s passion, since she happens to own a winery. A win/win for big government and it’s hand hag.

thatsafactjack on February 4, 2014 at 7:54 PM

At the time the CBO got this with all the obama’rat lies it was budget neutral.

Garbage in, garbage out. You can’t make a silk purse out of Moochelle’s ears.

Lanceman on February 4, 2014 at 7:47 PM

Exactly. I hope Issa is not saying he didn’t know this. This bill is like a blank check. It was open ended at the time it was passed and everyone knew it. The Democrats passed it. The Republicans that voted to FUND it when Senator Cruz gave them the opportunity to vote to NOT fund it, are just as guilty as the Dem that passed it in 2009.

bluefox on February 4, 2014 at 7:57 PM

Sorry… it’s …should have been its ….

…and hand hag is, of course, Nancy’s rendition of a hand maiden… because I just couldn’t bring myself to cast Nancy, even rhetorically or figuratively, as any sort of maiden.

thatsafactjack on February 4, 2014 at 7:58 PM

If I never hear another word from Issa, that’d be just fine. What an inept, ineffective, incompetent nothing.

Midas on February 4, 2014 at 7:58 PM

News2Use on February 4, 2014 at 7:42 PM

Also, note at the end of the paragraph – is this .). a new emoticon?

I have always believed that a paragraph should have at least three sentences (except for blog comments. Not articles, just comments.)

See what I did there? I waxed Johnsenian.

Her paragraph has two sentences, but one is a complete sentence within the parentheses. This is groundbreaking. The parenthetical sentence has 50 words including the whole sentence, meaning that it is longer the sentence that it amends. I don’t think that I have ever seen a parenthetical sentence end in a parentheses, only to be upstaged by a completely new sentence.

The burden of this heretofore unseen sentence construction seems to have pushed her to the very limits of some grammatical/brain function thingamajig and caused a new emoticon to arise from the tension and heat of the moment.

Any grammatical or spelling errors in this post were purely intentional (and meant for humorous purposes. And may not be copied, transmitted, or electronically stored.)

Akzed on February 4, 2014 at 7:58 PM

thatsafactjack on February 4, 2014 at 7:58 PM

Witch always works for me:-)

bluefox on February 4, 2014 at 8:00 PM

If I never hear another word from Issa, that’d be just fine. What an inept, ineffective, incompetent nothing.

Midas on February 4, 2014 at 7:58 PM

All hat and no cattle, just like Boehner.

bluefox on February 4, 2014 at 8:01 PM

bluefox on February 4, 2014 at 8:00 PM

lol! ;) I like a person who calls them like they see them.

thatsafactjack on February 4, 2014 at 8:02 PM

thatsafactjack on February 4, 2014 at 8:02 PM

I could have changed the first letter, but reconsidered:-)

bluefox on February 4, 2014 at 8:03 PM

Sorry, this is Erika thread and I knew that… but AP was so disgusted today by the Democrats reaction to the CBO’s report, particularly Obama’s, in trying to spin the loss of 2.3 million jobs as somehow good news, I guess it just stuck with me.

thatsafactjack on February 4, 2014 at 8:03 PM

lol! Always best to take the high road. :)

thatsafactjack on February 4, 2014 at 8:07 PM

I think the .). emoticon would be great for “something smells” and it would certainly apply to Pelosi’s spinning of the CBO report revelation regarding the 2.3 million jobs that will be lost under ObamaCare.

thatsafactjack on February 4, 2014 at 8:10 PM

Res non verba Issa .
Action not words .
Past your sell by date .

Lucano on February 4, 2014 at 8:14 PM

The shadow of that hammer prevented me!!

bluefox on February 4, 2014 at 8:14 PM

What are Republicans going to do? Why… pass Amnesty of course!

Ukiah on February 4, 2014 at 8:14 PM

As seen in a comment thread on DailyKos:

* [new] All the report is saying in a nutshell is (5+ / 0-)

people who had been tied to the workforce because it was their only access to health care now will chose to leave the workforce because they can now get health insurance thru Obamacare. It is a good thing. It will force employers to raise wages to attract workers.

Sure, Mr. Kossack. People only work to get health insurance. They don’t care about earning money to pay the rent or mortgage, pay the heat and electric bills, and buy food and clothing. Ya know, a person living naked in a tent or cardboard box with nothing to eat is more likely to get sick than a well-fed, well-dressed person living in a well-heated apartment. Ever think of that?

Oh, and after employers have paid the Obamacare fines or John Roberts taxes, they’ll have LESS money to pay their employees, not more!

Steve Z on February 4, 2014 at 8:21 PM

Watching the White House trying to spin today’s CBO report — which concluded that ObamaCare will directly result in the equivalent of over 2 million workers leaving the workforce in the next ten years — was like watching a parody of the White House trying to spin today’s CBO report (although I can’t quite decide if it’s the White House’s or Harry Reid’s reaction, arguing that the report’s conclusion is actually a positive because “we live in a country where we should be free agents,” that really deserves first prize on that one.

91 words! A new Erika record!

Akzed on February 4, 2014 at 7:27 PM

You know what they call a period, don’t you? A full stop.

Why do you want to stop Erika?!?!

It must be a war on women…

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 4, 2014 at 8:26 PM

if i ever put a bullet in someones head in the middle o ftimes square, i’d want want darryl issa as the prosecutor

renalin on February 4, 2014 at 8:44 PM

This really is a law that was written badly from the ground up.

Wasn’t “written” so much at it metastasized. Or metaxtasized.

de rigueur on February 4, 2014 at 9:04 PM

Is the CBO supposed to read the bill? Just asking. Imagine the state of affairs if they weren’t nonpartisan.

MikeinPRCA on February 4, 2014 at 9:20 PM

Any “surprise” from Issa would be surprising. All bark with no bite.

CTimbo on February 4, 2014 at 9:20 PM

Ha! I can imagine their defense when it comes down to rationing health-care – “It’s good that people die sooner, so that we can have our Obamacare.”

rickv404 on February 4, 2014 at 9:34 PM

Thank you, catastrophically-incompetent Justice (sic) Roberts.

A one-man nation meta-destroyer.

Enabler of Obama’s delusion.

profitsbeard on February 4, 2014 at 7:54 PM

Pretty much. The calculation seemed to be, I’ve landed, Imma protect what’s mine. Eat pasture pie for breakfast and meadow muffins for dinner. You voted for the squeeze sandwich, now CHEW.

RushBaby on February 4, 2014 at 9:46 PM

What is this CBO, anyway? A computerized business oracle?

You can crunch numbers any way you want. How an anyone honestly rely on a CBO estimate for every law congress generates?

Do we have an Entrails Procurement Department that doesn’t make the news?

The principles and assumptions are more important than the numerical accuracey, and the assumptions are ideologically driven. That is, the unintended (or naively overlooked) choices as to whether, for examples, a company will cut back its staff to <50 employees, or whether twenty-year-olds will sign up, or whether insurers will cancel plans, or emploers will drop coverages altogether, are largely incalculable variables.

So we ask the Oracle! And the Oracle answers: 42!

flicker on February 4, 2014 at 9:48 PM

Here is the part I don’t think anyone is counting:

The large premiums, co-pays, deductibles, and prescription prices are going to have an “erosional” impact on the economy. As 2014 wears on, the additional expenses people are going to have to pay, particularly those who actually get sick, are going to build up. People are going to have less money come this summer for vacations and next Christmas for presents. People are going to be less likely to have the money to get a mortgage or afford a car payment. This damage adds up as the year goes along.

This is going to act as a brake on an economy that SHOULD be growing at this point.

crosspatch on February 4, 2014 at 10:23 PM

Ted Cruz should have believed in the bill more; then it would have been good.

Everything that happens now is all the fault of Ted Cruz and all the other Tea Party whackos and nutballs for not clapping their hands and shouting “I believe in fairies!”

David Blue on February 4, 2014 at 10:24 PM

if i ever put a bullet in someones head in the middle o ftimes square, i’d want want darryl issa as the prosecutor

renalin on February 4, 2014 at 8:44 PM

Thread winner.

David Blue on February 4, 2014 at 10:27 PM

If I never hear another word from Issa, that’d be just fine. What an inept, ineffective, incompetent nothing.

Midas on February 4, 2014 at 7:58 PM

……good one renalin…and Midas…was a gold ditto!

KOOLAID2 on February 5, 2014 at 12:05 AM

#IssaFail

albill on February 5, 2014 at 8:00 AM

and then hotair will run out of material to bash the President on…that’s what you’re really afraid of, right?

nonpartisan on November 19, 2013 at 4:47 PM

But these Obamacare posts are about whistling past the graveyard, by next Novemeber Democrats will be openly running on the ACA. Mark my words.

libfreeordie on December 20, 2013 at 10:14 AM

Chris of Rights on February 5, 2014 at 8:29 AM